What is the present situation with the charging of fees at University College Dublin?

matty55

wats da story wit fees at ucd?

Karoma

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KeyLimePie

wel i tel ya 1 ting if batt okeef cumz ovr 2 ucd and tryz to charge me feez i'll bate the flapz off him.

IrishKnight

matty55 wrote: »

wats da story wit fees at ucd?

Arts student?

WOOOO I went there...

dyl10

matty55 wrote: »

wats da story wit fees at ucd?

There's a story with them?

Riamfada

Dey r cumin in nd u r fukd

ChocolateSauce

Never mind fees, you need a pass in English.

Extrasupervery

KeyLimePie wrote: »

wel i tel ya 1 ting if batt okeef cumz ovr 2 ucd and tryz to charge me feez i'll bate the flapz off him.

Ahh you make me laugh...

TDOie

Its replies to threads like these which remind me why I lurk here.

El Siglo

I believe the op might have a better chance of receiving a more apt response by asking these gents regarding "da story wit fees".

Seifer

matty55 wrote: »

wats da story wit fees at ucd?

You have to pay them

Riamfada

I hear first round CRO offers for Arts were 120 points. John Henry Newman wont like that nor will that crusty dean.

bnt

TDOie wrote: »

Its replies to threads like these which remind me why I lurk here.

Lurking FAIL. :P

There's a semi-serious point buried in this thread, I think. No sign of fees this year, but if/when they do come in, I'd hope that Irish industry gets more involved in funding study, through corporate bursaries. If they do, they'll have a say over what is studied by students who receive bursaries. Do you think Irish industry is going to support a student who gets 120 LC points, and starts an Arts Omnibus? Fees will signal the end of the idea that everyone should go straight to university, to get "a degree - any degree".

Seriously - if you do that badly at school, you're going to implode at university. It's not an extension of school, it's a step up to another level entirely. :eek:

RandolphEsq

Grimes wrote: »

I hear first round CRO offers for Arts were 120 points. John Henry Newman wont like that nor will that crusty dean

You never seem to get bored of those two words together


/stalker

Riamfada

RandolphEsq wrote: »

You never seem to get bored off those two words together


/stalker

Its the best way to describe Martin Butler imo. I dont know if Im flattered or freaked out but thanks for the stalking.

But BMP has a point. People going to college for the experience will drop. Industry finded educations seems to be the way to go and it looks like HughB Learnings.inc has been on the ball with that for a while

dyl10

bnt wrote: »

There's a semi-serious point buried in this thread, I think. No sign of fees this year, but if/when they do come in, I'd hope that Irish industry gets more involved in funding study, through corporate bursaries. If they do, they'll have a say over what is studied by students who receive bursaries. Do you think Irish industry is going to support a student who gets 120 LC points, and starts an Arts Omnibus?

Why would it matter what course they are studying with whatever points, if they are paying full fees for it?

bnt

dyl10 wrote: »

Why would it matter what course they are studying with whatever points, if they are paying full fees for it?

I think you missed my point. If individuals or their families pay the fees - sure, study what you want, it's your dime. I was talking about the possibility of support for students from the commercial sector, who would expect a return on their investment - which means the right students, studying the right subjects.

This already happens with postgradute scholarships in Ireland, but in other countries where there are no free fees (USA, South Africa, others) it happens at undergraduate level too. Example: a bank offers a bursary to cover tuition fees towards a banking degree, and students compete for it. I know this might outrage students used to the current Irish system of free fees for all, but this system is not the norm in other countries.

33% God

bnt wrote: »

I think you missed my point. If individuals or their families pay the fees - sure, study what you want, it's your dime. I was talking about the possibility of support for students from the commercial sector, who would expect a return on their investment - which means the right students, studying the right subjects.

This already happens with postgradute scholarships in Ireland, but in other countries where there are no free fees (USA, South Africa, others) it happens at undergraduate level too. Example: a bank offers a bursary to cover tuition fees towards a banking degree, and students compete for it. I know this might outrage students used to the current Irish system of free fees for all, but this system is not the norm in other countries.

Excellent idea.
Wealthy people, enjoy being able to study whatever you like because your parents are wealthy. The rest of you peasants will have to make do and study whatever we tell you to.

Justice and equity for all! :rolleyes:

El Siglo

Folks, I will say with regards fees and third level in general, abandon Ireland and go here for third level!:D It's "free like a bird" when it comes to education for us paddys and marys, unlike poor John Bull and our friends over the border!:pac:

ChocolateSauce

dyl10 wrote: »

Why would it matter what course they are studying with whatever points, if they are paying full fees for it?

Full fees are in the region of 20,000 + per year, far more than the fees to be brought in in the coming years.

So yeah, if a family pays full fees, I say the CAO shouldn't apply, but if they get a penny of state money they need to reach a certain level.

bnt

33% God wrote: »

Excellent idea.
Wealthy people, enjoy being able to study whatever you like because your parents are wealthy. The rest of you peasants will have to make do and study whatever we tell you to.

Justice and equity for all! :rolleyes:

I must be a peasant, then, since when I applied to UCD, a primary concern of mine was being employable after I left. What about your parents: did they get to do exactly what they wanted, for the whole of their lives? Not getting exactly what you want, in all respects, is a natural side-effect of not being wealthy. (Actually, being wealthy isn't all it's cracked up to be, either - it doesn't compensate for being stupid, unless your name is Bush.)

Did I mention that the recipient of a corporate bursary, of the type in effect in other countries, generally receives a job after completing the required degree, at the company who paid the tuition? Summer employment too, in some cases. You get to know people at the company, form business relationships, and have a degree of job security while studying. The student gets something out of it too: a career.

Maybe it's because I'm a mature student, and not Irish, since I think it's absurd for taxpayers ONLY to pay tuition fees, just for people to go to university without a thought about what happens afterwards. I am NOT saying that all study should be directed towards future employment, but I think Ireland has swung too far in the opposite direction, for a country with ambitions to be a world leader in Science and Technology. Something like 2/3 of UCD students are studying Arts, yet almost all will not work in Arts after leaving UCD, but in some other field where their Arts degrees offer no advantage.

That's all I'm saying: free fees are not the norm, worldwide. They aren't really "free" here either, it's just not obvious that everyone pays in some form. Even though I am enjoying the benefits myself, I pre-paid my fees in the form of taxes, over eight years of working here in Ireland before I started at UCD. So, yes, I am a peasant, in that I am not wealthy. I am concerned about where my money went, and where it will come from in the future. The wealthy can study what they want, but if you are just leaving school now and your parents are not wealthy, don't they deserve good value for the taxes that they have paid over the years? What about Ireland: does she need another Arts graduate?

I like free fees, but they only go so far. Currently, free fees cover you for four years at university, but that's it - what then? You are not guaranteed anything afterwards. Everyone's so hung up on the idea of "free fees" that they're not seeing the big picture. Life sucks for us peasants: you'll find that out anyway, it's just a question of when, and "free fees" only delay the inevitable realization by 3-4 years. Want to make it easier later? Grow up, smell the coffee, and look for more from university than just an extension of school and delayed employment.

noodler

There defo needs to be more focus on carrer-related subjects in Irish colleges. However I would make the point that if I had gotten no carreer advantage out of my college time or if it had not affected my wage in the slightest, well I still would hae said I am happy to have had the experience with all the character building tc etc etc stuff it entailed.

dyl10

noodler wrote: »

There defo needs to be more focus on carrer-related subjects in Irish colleges.

Meh, the last thing I'd want to see is Ireland turn into a boring country of accountants, barristers and IT consultants.

I hope as a country we pride ourselves on our achievements in the arts and not some cyclical economic success we've had .
There's more to life than money and banking.

It would be a shame to see Irish Universities turn into mindless factories producing the next worker on the conveyor belt.

noodler

dyl10 wrote: »

Meh, the last thing I'd want to see is Ireland turn into a boring country of accountants, barristers and IT consultants.

I hope as a country we pride ourselves on our achievements in the arts and not some cyclical economic success we've had .
There's more to life than money and banking.

It would be a shame to see Irish Universities turn into mindless factories producing the next worker on the conveyor belt.

I kind of thought I made your point for you in the part of my post you didn't quote?

Anyway, whilst I agree theres a good case for college for college sakes I do think we need a slight shift in focus in order to increase the country's economic revival. Maths and Science subjects need a higher takeup and the real work here probably needs to start in the lower school levels (Primary/Secondary).

dyl10

noodler wrote: »

I kind of thought I made your point for you in the part of my post you didn't quote?

I don't believe so

noodler

dyl10 wrote: »

I don't believe so

Lovely, well 4 words really helps to establish nothing.

You got nothing in my original post about enjoying the education you would receieve in college regardless of the career it opens up for you?

Fair enough then.

Depp

H thread of the day

dyl10

noodler wrote: »

Lovely, well 4 words really helps to establish nothing.

You got nothing in my original post about enjoying the education you would receieve in college regardless of the career it opens up for you?

Fair enough then.

I think you're a bit too irritiable to carry out a reasonable discussion with.
I'm talking about Ulysses versus Wall Street.

You seem to be talking about American Pie, promoting the waste of tax payer's money or something similarly farcical.

noodler

dyl10 wrote: »

I think you're a bit too irritiable to carry out a reasonable discussion with.
I'm talking about Ulysses versus Wall Street.

You seem to be talking about American Pie, promoting the waste of tax payer's money or something similarly farcical.

Wow just wow. You appear to lack the ability to interpret basic English.

Unfortunately as a small open economy reliant on American MNCs I am afraid Ulysses won't really attract what is needed for proper economic stimulation. What I was promoting was a small shift towards more career-orientated courses.

In my OP you seem to have interpreted my post about the other non-career benefits a college education in some sort of frat-boy, no sorry American Pie I believe you put it, type of way? Well that only says more about you jumping to silly conclusions I am afraid. Why your mind goes to American Pie when I said character building is beyond me. What about a better standard of literacy? Being more articulate? Better at maths? Becoming more responsible?

Jammyc

KeyLimePie wrote: »

wel i tel ya 1 ting if batt okeef cumz ovr 2 ucd and tryz to charge me feez i'll bate the flapz off him.

Why wasnt this post of the day??:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

dyl10

noodler wrote: »

Wow just wow. You appear to lack the ability to interpret basic English.

You appear to lack the ability to have a rational discussion, without trying to insult me on a personal level

noodler wrote: »

Unfortunately as a small open economy reliant on American MNCs I am afraid Ulysses won't really attract what is needed for proper economic stimulation.

Are you actually stating that possibly the greatest piece of English literature in history is comparable to some economic glitch that won't be remembered in 50 years time?
If it were up to people like you, sure we might as well burn down our libraries, museums and anything that remotely relates to heritage and culture and replace them Computer labs, Sony shops and Starbucks.
People like you are everything that's wrong with modern Ireland.

noodler wrote: »

What about a better standard of literacy? Being more articulate? Better at maths? Becoming more responsible?

If you don't even know what you're talking about, how am I supposed to interpret your gibberish?
It's rather ironic that you mention the ability to articulate as a focus area, when you seem to struggle with the concept yourself.

How any of the above have anything to do with a more career orientated education system seems to be out of my grasp. I would have imagined that improving the attributes stated above were merely common sense, not something to overhaul our third level education system for.

noodler wrote: »

Well that only says more about you jumping to silly conclusions I am afraid. Why your mind goes to American Pie when I said character building is beyond me.

Possibly because American Pie seems to be no more substantial than your character or your weak, carousel like arguments.

Extrasupervery

Jaaaaysus lads calm down!

seraphimvc

dyl10 wrote: »

Meh, the last thing I'd want to see is Ireland turn into a boring country of accountants, barristers and IT consultants.

I hope as a country we pride ourselves on our achievements in the arts and not some cyclical economic success we've had .
There's more to life than money and banking.

It would be a shame to see Irish Universities turn into mindless factories producing the next worker on the conveyor belt.

man,as a final year student,a soon-going-out-to-the-real-world student,how i really seriously heartily wish the college has more relationship with those companies which can give us a work/placement after we graduated.

this is a freaking weird situation actually.caused' i have always heard that the top10 students in the class in US/asia are always pre-booked by big firms.

relationship between companies and college is basically non-existence caused' where is all the freaking summer job placement (of those companies linked to college) for us undergraduate???
*i hope everyone here knows that every students in US colleges have too many application forms to send out just before their summer holidays since there are so many companies have those summer placement work for the students*

i have talked to some lecturers about this issue and they kinda agree with me that maybe is just the culture thingy - people just wouldnt interest in some summer jobs like that

most people wanna spend/waste/enjoy their summer time happily without doing something for their future(a summer placement in some companies related to your course is freaking crucial) and end up couldnt get a job after graduated.*sigh*

i am not saying that life = 100% money,but in reality we seriously need some improvement on the student-career aspects.caused' i will need a freaking job(is not about the amount of salary) to get myself a life!

/rant

sorry for off topic OP and eh,good luck with the fee thingy!

seraphimvc

oh and ignore Noodler,no point to play with a high level aggresive troll unless you are looking for some mouth fight intentionally he always blindly twisted the meaning of what people said and take them to a totally wrong direction!i am saying this from my own experience

noodler

dyl10 wrote: »

You appear to lack the ability to have a rational discussion, without trying to insult me on a personal level



Are you actually stating that possibly the greatest piece of English literature in history is comparable to some economic glitch that won't be remembered in 50 years time?
If it were up to people like you, sure we might as well burn down our libraries, museums and anything that remotely relates to heritage and culture and replace them Computer labs, Sony shops and Starbucks.
People like you are everything that's wrong with modern Ireland.



If you don't even know what you're talking about, how am I supposed to interpret your gibberish?
It's rather ironic that you mention the ability to articulate as a focus area, when you seem to struggle with the concept yourself.

How any of the above have anything to do with a more career orientated education system seems to be out of my grasp. I would have imagined that improving the attributes stated above were merely common sense, not something to overhaul our third level education system for.



Possibly because American Pie seems to be no more substantial than your character or your weak, carousel like arguments.

Pretty much, you took every point I made, scribbled it out in your head and then made up new ones so they could better fit your argument.

Read EVERYTHING I have written again. You will see that just about every single one of your responses is inappropriate to the point in question.

Honestly. Wow.

noodler

seraphimvc wrote: »

oh and ignore Noodler,no point to play with a high level aggresive troll unless you are looking for some mouth fight intentionally he always blindly twisted the meaning of what people said and take them to a totally wrong direction!i am saying this from my own experience

Troll?

Just becasue you lost an argument in another forum doesn't mean you should side against me in another for the sake of it.

You should base your opinions on the argument in question.

dyl10

noodler wrote: »

Read EVERYTHING I have written again. You will see that just about every single one of your responses is inappropriate to the point in question.

Honestly. Wow.

The failing is yours

Extrasupervery

KeyLimePie wrote: »

wel i tel ya 1 ting if batt okeef cumz ovr 2 ucd and tryz to charge me feez i'll bate the flapz off him.

I think we should just go back to this...

Riamfada

No one listens to students , cares if they pay fees or not or cares what they think. For a group who traditionally have very low voting turnout figures apparently they dont care what they think either.

Dont expect any politican to pull strings for students when the vote:hassle ratio is so bias.

That is all

Extrasupervery

Then it is paramount that we listen to each other.

Communication leads to better understanding, y'know.

But it's a two way thing.

noodler

dyl10 wrote: »

The failing is yours

Thanks for proving my point.

Raphael

seraphimvc wrote: »

oh and ignore Noodler,no point to play with a high level aggresive troll unless you are looking for some mouth fight intentionally he always blindly twisted the meaning of what people said and take them to a totally wrong direction!i am saying this from my own experience

Ignore this guy, he's a cock. Trust me, I know.




See how annoying that is? Don't just jump into a conversation ongoing and insult people. Try it again and you get a free holiday.

Extrasupervery

What the fudge?!

You people get awfully hot under the collars

seraphimvc

Raphael wrote: »

Ignore this guy, he's a cock. Trust me, I know.




See how annoying that is? Don't just jump into a conversation ongoing and insult people. Try it again and you get a free holiday.

my post contains no offence to noodler try search his posts around different forums you will get what i mean -
i said he is an aggressive troll is by all means saying the fact that he is rude/easily get mad when he is making his points while someone disagree with him eg quote him:
You appear to lack the ability to interpret basic English or
using some annoying CAPS letter or
with some line like Wow just wow etc.
Use reasons to fight for your ground. i said this is from my experience caused' i did read alot of his posts(we happened to wander in some same forums) and kinda know this dude.if i misread noodler's behavior then i am sorry and yes please ban me for being naughty

btw,even if i didnt speak from my experience,anyone see the rude posts like that will have thought he is a troll/messer straight away.

funny that the real person who is being unreasonable/being rude here gets no attention from the mod while i get an awesome warning from the mod:pac:

noodler wrote: »

Troll?

Just becasue you lost an argument in another forum doesn't mean you should side against me in another for the sake of it.

You should base your opinions on the argument in question.

oh i didnt see this reply before i replied raphael ^^

and to reply noodler:
see the way he speaks?=.= i am too lazy to comment on your reply - yes,when people starting to ignore you doesnt mean that you won the argument.

people wont start to listen to you unless you respect what people say,is my only advice to you,mate.

The_Minister

KeyLimePie wrote: »

wel i tel ya 1 ting if batt okeef cumz ovr 2 ucd and tryz to charge me feez i'll bate the flapz off him.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

Funglegunk

Bravo to whoever renamed the thread. Much clearer now!

Michaelrsh

OK, I'm starting at UCD this year and I saw this registration video on the ucd website. It shows a tutorial of how fees are paid but it didn't show anything about how government money pays for your course. What's the average amount of money you have to pay even if the free-free scheme in place in UCD? In the video they were adding in digits of €10,000 :eek:.
Is it the case that when you receive your registration pack that the amount you have to pay is the amount even with the free-fee scheme in place? I'm confused

griffdaddy

Let's everyone just agree that they like orgasms and we can work this out from that standpoint

ddddd

is the €1,500 fee just for first year students or is this an annual fee?

ddddd

betafrog wrote: »

It's an annual fee, and goes up every year...

Roughly how much does it increase each year??