Munster vs Sale Sharks

jamieh

Hi all,

Team has been announced for tomorrow nights match against Sale.

http://munsterrugby.ie/9795.php

I'm going to next Friday nights match against London Irish. Will internationals be available for selection then or do ye reckon it'll be a similar team?

Riskymove

I'd say it'll be much stronger next week or else their first game will be a competitive one in the league

buck65

Nice to give a few young lads a run - out, hard to see this team making much dent in the Sharks if they are at near strength though.

2040

Can't wait for this. Should be interesting to see how they get on. A few players on the team are sub-academy. One would expect the sharks to win this comfortably but who knows.

budhabob

With work and all cant make it to the friendly's. so is there any hope of seeing it anywhere do ye reckon? even online?

2040

LIT students might film it and put highlights on the munster dead site. That's your best bet really.

razorblunt

Was gonna go to it but €20 is a bit too much especially when I'd have to buy 2. If I'm bored tomorrow I'll take a walk down.

ALH-06

2040 wrote: »

LIT students might film it and put highlights on the munster dead site. That's your best bet really.

Pity about that, would love to see this match...

Would like to see more of Andrew Burke, hope he gets game time off the bench. He was really impressive in the u20 RWC earlier this year.

2040

ALH-06 wrote: »

Pity about that, would love to see this match...

Would like to see more of Andrew Burke, hope he gets game time off the bench. He was really impressive in the u20 RWC earlier this year.

He's said to have potential alright. Poor fella received a baptism of fire against Cardiff in the Magner's League. His first touch of the ball was intercepted leading to a Cardiff try.

ALH-06

2040 wrote: »

He's said to have potential alright. Poor fella received a baptism of fire against Cardiff in the Magner's League. His first touch of the ball was intercepted leading to a Cardiff try.

Oh sh#t, didn't realise that... Didn't think he'd been capped at all at senior level.

2040

Just back from the match there. 19-17 Munster. Jerry Manning, Toby Morland and Scott Deasy played quite well i thought. Scrum was a bit dodgey but all in all a good day at the office. Development problems at Munster my ass.

2040

And i've changed my mind about the Munster kit. Actually looks class in real life.

wixfjord

2040 wrote: »

Just back from the match there. 19-17 Munster. Jerry Manning, Toby Morland and Scott Deasy played quite well i thought. Scrum was a bit dodgey but all in all a good day at the office. Development problems at Munster my ass.

Yeah a 2 point pre season win over a sale a team really puts that one to bed.

2040

wixfjord wrote: »

Yeah a 2 point pre season win over a sale a team really puts that one to bed.

Have you even looked at the teams? Were you at the match? The game tonight suggests there's some talent coming through. That's undeniable. And that was a dreadfully cynical post.

wixfjord

2040 wrote: »

Have you even looked at the teams? Were you at the match? The game tonight suggests there's some talent coming through. That's undeniable. And that was a dreadfully cynical post.

No I wasnt at the game. Have seen the teams and Sale were stronger but obviously not at full strength, while Munster had few first teamers playing and won by 2. Does this mean that Munsters development problems are solved?

If my post was dreadfully cynical, then yours was dreadfully knee jerk!

Amazotheamazing

wixfjord wrote: »

No I wasnt at the game. Have seen the teams and Sale were stronger but obviously not at full strength, while Munster had few first teamers playing and won by 2. Does this mean that Munsters development problems are solved?

If my post was dreadfully cynical, then yours was dreadfully knee jerk!

What development problems? Our third choice team just beat a premiership team.

Third choice front row, third choice second row, third choice backrow, third choice halfbacks, and with the exception of Warwick, outside backs who'll struggle to make any ML squad we put out.

Send your apologies to the Munster Branch, Musgrave Park, Cork.

List the sale team.

2040

wixfjord wrote: »

No I wasnt at the game. Have seen the teams and Sale were stronger but obviously not at full strength, while Munster had few first teamers playing and won by 2. Does this mean that Munsters development problems are solved?

If my post was dreadfully cynical, then yours was dreadfully knee jerk!

You see, the thing is, there were never any problems with Munster development to begin with. Nothing needed to be put to rest to begin with. It was just some wild claims from some cynical people posting on here. Let's put this in perspective. If Sale had won today by 10 points i would have considered it a good day at the office.

Sale Sharks:

Nick Macleod: 82 caps w/ Cardiff; 18 w/ Sharks
M Vakacefu: 6 caps w/ Fiji
C Bell: 21 caps w/ Sharks; England Saxon
L Thomas: 13 caps w/ sharks.
O Ripol: 12 caps w/ sharks; capped with Spain, Barbarians
C Hodgson (captain): 31 caps w/ England; British and Irish Lion
W Cliff: 9 caps w/ Sale
R. O’Donnell: 9 caps w/ Sale
N Briggs: 27 caps w/ Sale
J Forester: 27 caps w/ Gloucester
C Jones: 138 caps w/ sale; 12 caps w/ England
B Cockbain: 24 caps w/ Wales; British and Irish Lion
J Gaskell: 2 caps w/ Sale
D Seymour: 88 caps w/ Saracens; England Saxon
D Tait: 36 caps w/ Sale

Munster:

S Deasy: Academy player; Debut
D Riordan: Connacht; Ireland A - experienced player
T Gleeson: 2 caps w/ Munster
P Warwick (capt): 43 caps w/ Munster - experienced player
D Barnes: Academy player; Debut
J Manning: 44 caps w/ Munster
T Morland: Highlanders; Chiefs - experienced player
D Ryan: 2 caps w/ Munster
D Varley: 2 caps w/ Wasps
S Archer: Academy player; Debut
B Holland: 10 caps w/ Munster
I Nagle: Academy player; Debut
N Williams: Blues - experienced player
T O’Donnell: 5 caps w/ Munster
K Essex: Academy player; Debut

And calling Riordan an experienced player is stretching it a bit. Try to be objective about this and tell me a Munster fan shouldn't be enthusiastic after watching this game today. I think it's your post that was kneejerk aswell as being cynical.

Amazotheamazing

2040 wrote: »

You see, the thing is, there were never any problems with Munster development to begin with. Nothing needed to be put to rest to begin with. It was just some wild claims from some cynical people posting on here. Let's put this in perspective. If Sale had won today by 10 points i would have considered it a good day at the office.

Sale Sharks:

Nick Macleod: 82 caps w/ Cardiff; 18 w/ Sharks
M Vakacefu: 6 caps w/ Fiji
C Bell: 21 caps w/ Sharks; England Saxon
L Thomas: 13 caps w/ sharks.
O Ripol: 12 caps w/ sharks; capped with Spain, Barbarians
C Hodgson (captain): 31 caps w/ England; British and Irish Lion
W Cliff: 9 caps w/ Sale
R. O’Donnell: 9 caps w/ Sale
N Briggs: 27 caps w/ Sale
J Forester: 27 caps w/ Gloucester
C Jones: 138 caps w/ sale; 12 caps w/ England
B Cockbain: 24 caps w/ Wales; British and Irish Lion
J Gaskell: 2 caps w/ Sale
D Seymour: 88 caps w/ Saracens; England Saxon
D Tait: 36 caps w/ Sale

Munster:

S Deasy: Academy player; Debut
D Riordan: Connacht; Ireland A - experienced player
T Gleeson: 2 caps w/ Munster
P Warwick (capt): 43 caps w/ Munster - experienced player
D Barnes: Academy player; Debut
J Manning: 44 caps w/ Munster
T Morland: Highlanders; Chiefs - experienced player
D Ryan: 2 caps w/ Munster
D Varley: 2 caps w/ Wasps
S Archer: Academy player; Debut
B Holland: 10 caps w/ Munster
I Nagle: Academy player; Debut
N Williams: Blues - experienced player
T O’Donnell: 5 caps w/ Munster
K Essex: Academy player; Debut

And calling Riordan an experienced player is stretching it a bit. Try to be objective about this and tell me a Munster fan shouldn't be enthusiastic after watching this game today. I think it's your post that was kneejerk aswell as being cynical.

And that's not taking into account the changes we made, brought a good number of guys on for their debuts tonight. All in all, it was a great result.

RuggieBear

jesus lads let it go.

it's a pre-season friendly.

i've more ****ing interest in seeing the ****ing kit.

was there a decent crowd?

anonymous_joe

Heh.

Does Manning relaly have so many Munster appearances to his name?

Amazotheamazing

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Heh.

Does Manning relaly have so many Munster appearances to his name?

Yeah, he got his first games when Gaffney was coach. If he wasn't so injury prone he'd have a lot more, imo.

2040

6100 for the crowd apparently.

anonymous_joe

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Yeah, he got his first games when Gaffney was coach. If he wasn't so injury prone he'd have a lot more, imo.

Wow. Never realised. And sure he's only 24 or so isn't he?

Amazotheamazing

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Wow. Never realised. And sure he's only 24 or so isn't he?

Yeah, don't think there's much age difference between him and Sexton.

He really should move on to Ulster, imo, he's got enough to his game to be ahead of Humphreys and O'connor. Only thing is that he is terribly, terribly injury prone.

anonymous_joe

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Yeah, don't think there's much age difference between him and Sexton.

He really should move on to Ulster, imo, he's got enough to his game to be ahead of Humphreys and O'connor. Only thing is that he is terribly, terribly injury prone.

Well...

O'Gara'll be gone soon, and Warwick won't play every game for Munster...

Amazotheamazing

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Well...

O'Gara'll be gone soon, and Warwick won't play every game for Munster...

No, but it's hard to develop as an outhalf without playing at a decent level week-in, week-out. He's gone as far as he can in the AIL.

kensutz

RuggieBear wrote: »

jesus lads let it go.

it's a pre-season friendly.

i've more ****ing interest in seeing the ****ing kit.

was there a decent crowd?

Photos will be uploaded soon

Teg Veece

Thanks for uploading those photos, Ken.
The new kit is starting to grow on me although it'll probably take me awhile to get used to the red shorts!

It's a very good result for Munster especially considering that 19 of the 25 players we making their debuts. Hopefully there's lots more of this to come.

theKramer

How did Nick Williams do? He never seemed to pull the finger out last year. Any improvement?

There is a thread on Munsterfans about it. One of the posters there put up a few pix and a couple of videos. Go to the following link and scroll halfway through that page: http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21005&PN=1&TPN=5

Is it ok for me to do that? I presume it is.

The Munster kit actually looks pretty good in the flesh so to speak. Even the all red look is starting to grow on me...........

kensutz

Williams left the field on crutches. He did well when he was on the pitch. I thought Danny Barnes did well last night too.

danthefan

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Yeah, don't think there's much age difference between him and Sexton.

He really should move on to Ulster, imo, he's got enough to his game to be ahead of Humphreys and O'connor. Only thing is that he is terribly, terribly injury prone.

Not sure he is good enough to be honest.

razorblunt

Good game, was impressed with the tight 5, Ian Nagle had an outstanding game as did Holland against Jones and Cockbain. Gleeson took a battering but did well and Deasy at full back was outstanding.

Referee was very poor but wasnt helped by the linesmen either.

Henry Ford III

Manning is a fine player. A big boot, and moves the backs well as well as varying the game.

His injuries have been caused largely by a bit of recklessness/madness in the tackle. For a medium sized player he flies into even the biggest opponents trying to drive them back.

razorblunt

I have to say he was very impressive last night bar the few stray kicks, the passes from Morland for the majority were going to high or low so he did well to keep the momentum going, ran the backline very well when Warwick was subbed then.

twinytwo

wixfjord wrote: »

No I wasnt at the game. Have seen the teams and Sale were stronger but obviously not at full strength, while Munster had few first teamers playing and won by 2. Does this mean that Munsters development problems are solved?

If my post was dreadfully cynical, then yours was dreadfully knee jerk!

First game of the season.. not importance in it and a win is a win....

Robbo

How did Danny Riordan get on?

wixfjord

twinytwo wrote: »

First game of the season.. not importance in it and a win is a win....

Exactly.

Amazotheamazing

Robbo wrote: »

How did Danny Riordan get on?

Did everything he was asked to do, we spent most of the second half defending so he never really got a chance to show what he could do ball in hand.

ironingbored

theKramer wrote: »

The Munster kit actually looks pretty good in the flesh so to speak. Even the all red look is starting to grow on me...........

Don't you mean staring to "glow on you"?

Amazotheamazing

danthefan wrote: »

Not sure he is good enough to be honest.

Maybe he's not, but as outhalves go, we only have O'Gara, Keatley and Sexton. Humphreys will never make it and O'Connor isn't really showing much progress.

After that we've guys like McKinley (who UCD wanted to turn into a 13), Madigan (who is more likely to be a fullback) and Burke (who is injury prone). Don't think anyone really expects Slattery, Bennet, Tonetti or Dufficy to come through.

I'm not for a minute suggesting Manning will ever be International class, but he's currently a better player than either of the guys starting for Ulster.

chupacabra

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Maybe he's not, but as outhalves go, we only have O'Gara, Keatley and Sexton. Humphreys will never make it and O'Connor isn't really showing much progress.

After that we've guys like McKinley (who UCD wanted to turn into a 13), Madigan (who is more likely to be a fullback) and Burke (who is injury prone). Don't think anyone really expects Slattery, Bennet, Tonetti or Dufficy to come through.

I'm not for a minute suggesting Manning will ever be International class, but he's currently a better player than either of the guys starting for Ulster.

Kevin Kidney future munster and irish 10. You heard it here first folks. :pac:

anonymous_joe

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Maybe he's not, but as outhalves go, we only have O'Gara, Keatley and Sexton. Humphreys will never make it and O'Connor isn't really showing much progress.

After that we've guys like McKinley (who UCD wanted to turn into a 13), Madigan (who is more likely to be a fullback) and Burke (who is injury prone). Don't think anyone really expects Slattery, Bennet, Tonetti or Dufficy to come through.

I'm not for a minute suggesting Manning will ever be International class, but he's currently a better player than either of the guys starting for Ulster.

Don't forget the likes of Staunton and Hickey in England. They're not great players, but they're solid enough pros.

danthefan

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Maybe he's not, but as outhalves go, we only have O'Gara, Keatley and Sexton. Humphreys will never make it and O'Connor isn't really showing much progress.

After that we've guys like McKinley (who UCD wanted to turn into a 13), Madigan (who is more likely to be a fullback) and Burke (who is injury prone). Don't think anyone really expects Slattery, Bennet, Tonetti or Dufficy to come through.

I'm not for a minute suggesting Manning will ever be International class, but he's currently a better player than either of the guys starting for Ulster.

UCD wanted McKinley to be a centre, so what? Leinster don't see him as a 13, he's already had a start for Leinster at 10. The guy has a huge amount of talent and time is very much on his side.

I don't agree Manning is better than Humphreys anyway, who has already put in some good turns at HEC level and played really well when Ulster hammered Munster for example. He's not consistent and parts of his game needs work but when he plays well he's definitely a level above Manning, who's done virtually nothing in 4 seasons to be fair.

chupacabra

danthefan wrote: »

UCD wanted McKinley to be a centre, so what? Leinster don't see him as a 13, he's already had a start for Leinster at 10. The guy has a huge amount of talent and time is very much on his side.

I don't agree Manning is better than Humphreys anyway, who has already put in some good turns at HEC level and played really well when Ulster hammered Munster for example. He's not consistent and parts of his game needs work but when he plays well he's definitely a level above Manning, who's done virtually nothing in 4 seasons to be fair.

His defense is woeful. Worse than ROG's.

danthefan

chupacabra wrote: »

His defense is woeful. Worse than ROG's.

I agree, his defence is terrible.

Amazotheamazing

danthefan wrote: »

I don't agree Manning is better than Humphreys anyway, who has already put in some good turns at HEC level and played really well when Ulster hammered Munster for example. He's not consistent and parts of his game needs work but when he plays well he's definitely a level above Manning, who's done virtually nothing in 4 seasons to be fair.

Whatever about McKinley, who has also played centre for Ireland u-20 btw, Humphs will never make it because he's entering his late 20's and has absolutely no consistency and no ability to tackle. I wouldn't even give him a contract unless he gets over his tackling phobia.

anonymous_joe

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Whatever about McKinley, who has also played centre for Ireland u-20 btw, Humphs will never make it because he's entering his late 20's and has absolutely no consistency and no ability to tackle. I wouldn't even give him a contract unless he gets over his tackling phobia.

One thing I'd say is that Paddy Wallace for years was hailed as really talented, and he's only now started to make it at international level. Humph might just make it. It's unlikely, but ya never know.

Amazotheamazing

anonymous_joe wrote: »

One thing I'd say is that Paddy Wallace for years was hailed as really talented, and he's only now started to make it at international level. Humph might just make it. It's unlikely, but ya never know.

Paddy Wallace has always been hugely talented, as a centre. He was never a fullback and only Ulster would be vindictive enough to keep playing him there. He's a passable outhalf in a crisis, but not a top level one.

It's only since he moved to his natural centre position that he's begun to show is real talent, and frankly, he's far more talented that Humph's.

anonymous_joe

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Paddy Wallace has always been hugely talented, as a centre. He was never a fullback and only Ulster would be vindictive enough to keep playing him there. He's a passable outhalf in a crisis, but not a top level.

It's only since he moved to his natural centre position that he's begun to show is real talent, and frankly, he's far more talented that Humph's.

Yeah, I know that, but I'm trying to be optimistic about Ireland's future in terms of out-half. Help me out here. :pac:

danthefan

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Whatever about McKinley, who has also played centre for Ireland u-20 btw, Humphs will never make it because he's entering his late 20's and has absolutely no consistency and no ability to tackle. I wouldn't even give him a contract unless he gets over his tackling phobia.

When did he play centre for the U20s? I know anyway that at least 4 of his recent U20 caps have been starts at 10. He's a 10. Why are you trying to make out otherwise?

Edit - those starts were in the U20 RWC.

Edit edit - I see he got some games at centre in the U20 6N. Fair enough. He's still a 10 though.