New name for the big cheque?

brayblue24

This one for AGS..

One look at the top right hand corner of the payslip today and I realised it's a travesty to call it "the big cheque" anymore-however "the slightly larger than usual but hovering on the brink of poverty anyway cheque" doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Anyone any better new name for the wage pack formerly known as "the big cheque"?

TheNog

The pay cheque worth less than the paper its printed on :mad:

djtechnics1210

The Sh*te cheque

IRISH RAIL

no offence to gaurds but perhaps the
thank f*** we have a job and not sitting in the dole office cheque.

djtechnics1210

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

thank f*** we have a job and not sitting in the dole office cheque.

Na thats too long aswell

Ian Beale

"Use as toilet roll"

brayblue24

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

no offence to gaurds but perhaps the
thank f*** we have a job and not sitting in the dole office cheque.

Irish Rail, likewise no offence to you but 17 out of 20 in the workforce have jobs so I'm not going there, that's why I started it "This one for AGS"

djtechnics1210

"The lucky bag" or "The unlucky dip".............. cause god knows what you'll get in it.

Hooch

Maybe we should merge this with the disseration topic thread......he could do his disseration on "Why Gardaí insist on talking to EVERYBODY in relation to their pay cheques"...........

I cannot understand why mules constantly have "pub talk" about allowances, big cheque etc......no offence to anyone intended, just my view. I wouldnt be telling the world what i make.....the local bank manager doesnt tell me how much he makes.

sdanseo

nice guy always wrote: »

Maybe we should merge this with the disseration topic thread......he could do his disseration on "Why Gardaí insist on talking to EVERYBODY in relation to their pay cheques"...........

I cannot understand why mules constantly have "pub talk" about allowances, big cheque etc......no offence to anyone intended, just my view. I wouldnt be telling the world what i make.....the local bank manager doesnt tell me how much he makes.

You work in the public sector...excluding overtime, everyone knows what you make :P

Random

"surprise!"

Hooch

sdonn wrote: »

You work in the public sector...excluding overtime, everyone knows what you make :P

Random wrote: »

"surprise!"

Ye miss my point, of course everyone knows what we make, just google the pay scales.

My point is why is it only Gardaí who always discuss what they make and give everyone details of allowances etc........ambulance or fire service dont. Nor did either of the two of ye. See?

the locust

The surprise envelope!

1922

the more you work the more you get ****ed cheque

sdanseo

nice guy always wrote: »

Ye miss my point, of course everyone knows what we make, just google the pay scales.

My point is why is it only Gardaí who always discuss what they make and give everyone details of allowances etc........ambulance or fire service dont. Nor did either of the two of ye. See?

Ah, that's just because it's a high profile career of sorts.

For what it's worth I make 11.65 an hour...and Gardaí must have a bit of overtime left in Dublin because there were two of them in today looking for iPhones! :P

Hooch

sdonn wrote: »

Ah, that's just because it's a high profile career of sorts.

For what it's worth I make 11.65 an hour...and Gardaí must have a bit of overtime left in Dublin because there were two of them in today looking for iPhones! :P

:P can u get me one cheap...:P

From todays Herald

We never lived it up on expenses and were on duty 24/7 ... so why is the Government punishing its loyal gardai?

I was member of An Garda Siochana for nigh on 38 years, it gave me a great life. I retired in March of this year for a number of reasons.

Years ago, older members would urge their juniors to vote Fianna Fail because Fine Gael would give you good law but the aforementioned would give you money. Now the aforementioned are giving loads of law and taking loads of money from you, too.

I'm referring to the pension levy.

Every person in Ireland is prepared to give a bit, including members of the Garda Siochana, but the public and civil service should not be trampled on altogether.

The main reason I retired was simple -- the time had come to hand over the baton to a younger person as I had done my time in one of the busiest divisions in the entire country, Dublin South Central, which included stations such as Pearse Street, Kevin Street, Kilmainham, Donnybrook and Irishtown.

Within its boundaries was the affluence of Dublin 4, the commercial centre of Dublin 2 and the occasional underworld mayhem of Dublin 8 and 12.

As a detective superintendent, along with my fellow superintendents, we would be on call 24-7 to attend at all serious crime. There was no overtime payment but a paltry weekly allowance and when the call came, you moved immediately.

Reason number two for my departure was that, in the flick of a biro, the Government penalised me to pay a large contribution to a pension that I was entitled to for the prior six years, if I had chosen to retire early during that period.

I say to the Minister for Finance, neither I or my colleagues were able to visit restaurants of central Dublin and open tabs with our job credit cards because there no such facility. The banking fraternity certainly were, with their bank expense accounts, and then changed their cards when it came to a certain level so as to not draw attention to this benefit.

When the Celtic Tiger was at its most ferocious trend in the upward curve, the Garda Siochana, nurses, Army -- or all in the public and civil service -- did not catch a glimpse of even his mythical tail.

Recovery

But the private sector caught him by the nose and veered eagle-like skywards reaping all the ensuing benefits.

We did get benchmarking to give us a semblance of purchase power. But, Minister, by your actions that is now wiped away.

All the while, the risks facing garda every single day are increasing. I wish my former colleague Garda Daryl Mullen, who was seriously injured serving the State in Westport last weekend, a speedy recovery.

Many of my former colleagues are now on the verge of pulling the plug as are personnel in the other disciplines I have mentioned. I don't blame them, they have given their all. These are men and women with a vast amount of experience, much of it in fighting serious crime. When the call comes at 2am on Saturday morning that there's been a murder they're first at the scene, the first the State looks to when it comes to safeguarding its citizens. But many of them are leaving, early.

To Government -- have you collectively lost sight of the vast experience and knowledge you had at your disposal? Now that you have taken public ownership of Anglo Irish Bank why don't you make them public servants and pay them and punish them accordingly.

Government, you will miss what you had, particularly in the ranks of the gardai, as it is going to take a long, long time to regain the worth of the men and women who've retired early in the past six months.

These are people who faced death and injury on the streets of our country every day. They can't be indicted for choking the tiger, but we all know who can.

PJ Browne is a former detective superintendent, with almost 38 years service in An Garda Siochana

- PJ Browne

Random

nice guy always wrote: »

Ye miss my point, of course everyone knows what we make, just google the pay scales.

My point is why is it only Gardaí who always discuss what they make and give everyone details of allowances etc........ambulance or fire service dont. Nor did either of the two of ye. See?

My post was a response to the OP.

These are people who faced death and injury on the streets of our country every day

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Thats certainly true.

BUT, you are not the only section of the workforce that face death and injury every day.

How many lorry drivers, construction workers, farmers, and fishermen have been killed in the last five years compared to the number of Gardai?

That article makes alot of valid points, but this argument doesn't really wash with me

Zambia

Nobody likes a reduction in wages. But it beats no wages at all.

opti76

the monthly insult

Mr Jinx

which one is the big cheque again ?

Tango Alpha 51

salonfire wrote: »

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Thats certainly true.

BUT, you are not the only section of the workforce that face death and injury every day.

How many lorry drivers, construction workers, farmers, and fishermen have been killed in the last five years compared to the number of Gardai?

That article makes alot of valid points, but this argument doesn't really wash with me

With all due repect O/P, the above careers which u've mentioned are not usually associated with death & injury every day unlike the ES. Yes people have died doing these jobs but the likely hood of injury is alot more in the ES

jake59

buzzman wrote: »

With all due repect O/P, the above careers which u've mentioned are not usually associated with death & injury every day unlike the ES. Yes people have died doing these jobs but the likely hood of injury is alot more in the ES

i think its more to do with the nature of injuries that es personnel face. they are usually inflicted by someone else who has targeted the es person. In most jobs accidents happen every day and deaths can occur which of course is very sad. there is a distinction between those deaths and injuries and those inflicted on es personnel due to them usually being inflicted by another person rather than as a machinery malfunction or personal accident etc.

mcguiver

I understand that Gardai moaning about their pay isnt ever going to be a subject the public will agree on.

However I entered this career once upon a time and dropped from a very good salary, because this is what I wanted to do.

I then signed up for a deal, the deal said that I would live in Tipperary for 6 months. I would then be a student Garda. I would take home aprox. 150 euro a week. In return I went out 40+ hours a week, any weather, shifts. I was attacked regularly. Was in high speed chases, dealth with death and suffering and all the other stuff.

And while I was doing this Johnny criminal would be paid minimum of 205 euro a week not to work. When I visit his home he has a satellite dish outside, 42 inch plasma,a new car and holidays in spain, free medical, free travel, and tons of convictions???

Anyway, that was the deal, I signed up, my choice. Next part of the deal was that when I qualified I would start on a pay scale and work my way up.

Now they've changed the deal, my salary has been cut. They tell me it's a recession, there's no money.

Yet when I work I see new ministerial bmw's, mercedes benz, etc. I thought we had no money? Free legal aid...what a joke, every day solicitors tell me they dont care about the outcome once it's dragged out so they can get more free money. .. one solicitor asked me could I not get a fewe good trials going, get the cash rolling???

I call into the local A+E and see conditions that are 3rd world, and I thought my workplace was bad?? yet the same hospital has luxury offices, management in amazing cars??? what recession folks?

Ben dunne, come run the country...someone needs a kick in the a##!

AlekSmart

I then signed up for a deal, the deal said that I would live in Tipperary for 6 months. I would then be a student Garda. I would take home aprox. 150 euro a week. In return I went out 40+ hours a week, any weather, shifts. I was attacked regularly. Was in high speed chases, dealth with death and suffering and all the other stuff.

And while I was doing this Johnny criminal would be paid minimum of 205 euro a week not to work. When I visit his home he has a satellite dish outside, 42 inch plasma,a new car and holidays in spain, free medical, free travel, and tons of convictions???

Anyway, that was the deal, I signed up, my choice. Next part of the deal was that when I qualified I would start on a pay scale and work my way up.

Now they've changed the deal, my salary has been cut. They tell me it's a recession, there's no money.

Yet when I work I see new ministerial bmw's, mercedes benz, etc. I thought we had no money? Free legal aid...what a joke, every day solicitors tell me they dont care about the outcome once it's dragged out so they can get more free money. .. one solicitor asked me could I not get a fewe good trials going, get the cash rolling???

I call into the local A+E and see conditions that are 3rd world, and I thought my workplace was bad?? yet the same hospital has luxury offices, management in amazing cars??? what recession folks?

Ben dunne, come run the country...someone needs a kick in the a##!

POST OF THE DAY/WEEK/MONTH........ENTIRE RECESSION/DEPRESSION..?

SEZ IT ALL.

WELL DONE !!
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Hooch

AlekSmart wrote: »

POST OF THE DAY/WEEK/MONTH........ENTIRE RECESSION/DEPRESSION..?

SEZ IT ALL.

WELL DONE !!
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+1

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brayblue24

Exactly but the country shudders when there's talk of cutting welfare. Well as far as I can see if they do that then the locals in a certain hostelry near me will just have to wait till quarter to eleven now to start their daily drinking instead of banging on the doors at half ten as they do now. I only know they're in there because they come out to smoke!!-or wander across to the bookies....I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ANY OF THIS (of course I suffer from the deluded impression that I should put my children first)

Wish some politician would have the bottle to tell it like it really is

Delancey

Is the main issue with Garda unhappiness with pay levels to do more with overtime cuts than anything else ? I ask this as my neighbour is a retired Garda Sergeant - he often says that his biggest mistake ( and his colleagues ) was to do a lot of OT and in effect be ' seduced ' into forgetting that successive govts. and the Garda Representative Association allowed basic pay to erode significantly . He believes there is no substitute for a proper basic pay and he admits to regretting all the OT he did as it came at a high personal cost in terms of family life - he curses the various Representative groups who he feels should have done / be doing more to address basic pay - he calls OT '' fools money ''.
Is overtime still an 'essential' part of a Garda's salary ?
A quick question if I may - I read on a thread somewhere else that Gardai who have qualified as squad car drivers receive an extra allowance of around 1,500 per year - is this really true ?

djtechnics1210

No extra allowance unles you are repsonsible for a car.
So you could have 3 qualified drivers and only one would get the allowance, and the allowance is not even half that money you mentioned.

emer tech

brayblue24 wrote: »

Exactly but the country shudders when there's talk of cutting welfare. Well as far as I can see if they do that then the locals in a certain hostelry near me will just have to wait till quarter to eleven now to start their daily drinking instead of banging on the doors at half ten as they do now. I only know they're in there because they come out to smoke!!-or wander across to the bookies....I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ANY OF THIS (of course I suffer from the deluded impression that I should put my children first)

Wish some politician would have the bottle to tell it like it really is

no doubt your getting a raw deal, and yes you are being screwed...but i would say the majority of people on welfare dont have that kind of lifestlye, but struggle to pay bills and look after their children, while stuck in a system thats hard to get out of because of job losses and recruitment freezes, sorry just hate the way people always paint people on welfare as low lives with no drive, and nothing better to do, only drink all day

FGR

Not to put words in anyone's mouth but I believe Brayblue was referring to those who have been on the dole since day one. Those 'long term' unemployed who never considered working a day in their lives.

The vast majority of those on social welfare are quite willing to go out and work as soon as possible - it's just that welfare has become more of a payment to provide a quality of life to those long term unemployed..when it should really only be there to provide basic essentials pending the finding of a job.

Ie - that is..no one should be able to substitute work with welfare and still have quite a comfortable life.

emer tech

sorry for the rant, understand what your sayin

brayblue24

emer tech wrote: »

no doubt your getting a raw deal, and yes you are being screwed...but i would say the majority of people on welfare dont have that kind of lifestlye, but struggle to pay bills and look after their children, while stuck in a system thats hard to get out of because of job losses and recruitment freezes, sorry just hate the way people always paint people on welfare as low lives with no drive, and nothing better to do, only drink all day

Emer tech- yeah foregone reality is right-that's what I meant. Not for a second would I wish the current situation on anyone who wants to do their best-I aim it without apology at those who milk, and have always milked, the system, and if it came across as anything other than that then I absolutely apologise without reservation. Not my intention to offend those who find themselves staring into the abyss through no fault of their own.