High electricity bills and high meter reading...

...friend gets a bill of about €200+ every two months. She has a few kids, but says she has nothing on, there is no tumble dryer going full time, the heating is oil, dishwasher is not used, lights are turned off, and all appliances are turned off at the switch, computers are turned off. She has a deep freeze alright, but that shouldn't be too much. She has had the meter read, so it's not an estimate issue.

Is it possible that there can be some drain or some faulty equipment which would drive a reading/bill up?

jhegarty

Unplug everything in house and see if the meter stops spinning.

jaybee747

Yes faulty equipment can run up your bill, my parents received a 600euro bill last month because of a faulty kettle. They unpluged everything and went through each thing 1 by 1, plugged in the kettle and the meter starting spinning like crazy. Would suggest you try unplug everything and go through them 1 by 1.

Davy

Loads of things are possible, most of which are extremely rare but to be exact best to get an engery meter that you can walk around the house, using an item at a time it will tell exactly what its using. If its using more than it should then you will know something is up.

Sometimes people don't realise how much they use, its the same when you ask is everything plugged out, normally something is overlooked.

Bob Z

Its worth querying. I know someone this happened to. The meter was broke and they were getting charged day rates for night and vice versa

Fnergg

Bob Z wrote: »

Its worth querying. I know someone this happened to. The meter was broke and they were getting charged day rates for night and vice versa

That was a problem with the time-switch, not the meter, and of course could only happen to someone with a meter that records day and night usage separately. The OP didn't mention such a meter and so I assume it is an ordinary single-tariff meter that is recording the usage.

The meter is never the problem. Meters are highly accurate instruments with a worldwide reputation for accuracy. Over time (20+ years), the old analogue meters slow down slightly (in the customer's favour) and most utilities have a meter replacement programme for that reason.

Any high usage is invariably down to increased use of electricity, wasteful usage (e.g. leaving an Immersion tank on all the time, using plug-in heaters, etc), or, rarely, a problem with a faulty appliance or with the wiring.

My advice would be to take a meter reading every day around the same time and thus establish what the daily usage is for a week or so. Knowing what has been in use you should be able to determine if the recorded usage is in line with it or not. The appliance calculator on the ESB's website is very useful in that regard: https://www.esb.ie/esbcustomersupply/residential/energy_efficiency/appliance_calculator.jsp

If the recorded usage seems to be well above the actual usage it might be worthwhile getting an electrician to check the installation for faulty appliances.

Mu hunch though is that there is nothing amiss and that the bills are just down to actual usage. €200 per bill for a family is €25 per week or €3.50 per day. Seems about right to me. There's always room for savings though and, again, the Energy Efficient House page on the ESB website has some very useful hints.

Regards,

Fnergg

foggy_lad

Conor74 wrote: »

...friend gets a bill of about €200+ every two months. She has a few kids, but says she has nothing on, there is no tumble dryer going full time, the heating is oil, dishwasher is not used, lights are turned off, and all appliances are turned off at the switch, computers are turned off. She has a deep freeze alright, but that shouldn't be too much. She has had the meter read, so it's not an estimate issue.

Is it possible that there can be some drain or some faulty equipment which would drive a reading/bill up?

laundry alone with a few kids can cost upwards of €60 over 2 months and a fridge freezer costs around €20 just three appliances we think may not use much as we take them for granted.

also i know from friends and family's children that they always leave the fridge door open and the tv on in bedroom as well as the living room, lights are always left on and things like hairdryers and straighteners use a lot more than you might think!

even considering that most modern homes are heated by gas instead of electricity €200+ for two months usage still sounds about right for a family with 3-4children as Fnergg said.

Wilde86

Hello. I'm just looking for a bit of feedback and to see if anyone else has experienced the same problem. I live in a studio flat and my esb bills are averaging at €60+ every two months. I use communal washers and dryers. I don't use my immersion. My boyfriend has more or less the same set up as me but his bill only came to under €30 when he last got his bill. When I plugged all of the appliances out the meter was running very slowly and then eventually stopped. I think that there may be a faulty appliance in the room. My landlord is apprehensive about bringing in an electrician for some reason. It's very frustrating. Any ideas? Help!

tommy21

Wilde86 wrote: »

Hello. I'm just looking for a bit of feedback and to see if anyone else has experienced the same problem. I live in a studio flat and my esb bills are averaging at €60+ every two months. I use communal washers and dryers. I don't use my immersion. My boyfriend has more or less the same set up as me but his bill only came to under €30 when he last got his bill. When I plugged all of the appliances out the meter was running very slowly and then eventually stopped. I think that there may be a faulty appliance in the room. My landlord is apprehensive about bringing in an electrician for some reason. It's very frustrating. Any ideas? Help!

Do the times you use the appliances at differ to your boyfriend? Off and on peak have different rates. Also 60 euro is very little to be honest, at least from my standpoint.

dudara

I agree with the above poster, E60 seems OK for two months usage. In fact, your boyfriend's bill of E30 seems suspiciously low - are you sure that he is submitted meter readings, and not just going with estimated bills.

Wilde86

Well I only really use my cooker and tv in the evening and the shower. I was also going on my parents bill from our house at home. They use far more appliances than me throughout the day and their bill comes in at about E130 for two months. My mate in work also lives in a house with her husband who is there all day and they have a washer, dryer, dishwasher etc and her bill only comes in at just above E80 for the two months.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

tommy21 wrote: »

Do the times you use the appliances at differ to your boyfriend? Off and on peak have different rates. Also 60 euro is very little to be honest, at least from my standpoint.

Firstly this is misleading. Most premises do not have day and night meters but are on a flat rate. The time of day does not matter to 80% of people.

I have to agree however that €60 for a studio flat every 2 months is not high.

tommy21

Abril Savory Poison wrote: »

Firstly this is misleading. Most premises do not have day and night meters but are on a flat rate. The time of day does not matter to 80% of people.

I have to agree however that €60 for a studio flat every 2 months is not high.

Back up 'most' please. While flat rates exist it is generally for business. From my experience most residential customers (rightly or wrongly) are on the default day/night rate.

seamus

It's a studio flat - how is it heated?

Wilde86

It's heated by a small oil heater. Not one of those blow heaters that eat up energy and I only turn it on for half an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening at most.

draward

Conor74 wrote: »

...friend gets a bill of about €200+ every two months. She has a few kids, but says she has nothing on, there is no tumble dryer going full time, the heating is oil, dishwasher is not used, lights are turned off, and all appliances are turned off at the switch, computers are turned off. She has a deep freeze alright, but that shouldn't be too much. She has had the meter read, so it's not an estimate issue.

Is it possible that there can be some drain or some faulty equipment which would drive a reading/bill up?

shower are heavy if you have five people having five showers a day or a week

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

tommy21 wrote: »

Back up 'most' please. While flat rates exist it is generally for business. From my experience most residential customers (rightly or wrongly) are on the default day/night rate.

Not at all. Day & Night rate generally only applies where there is Night Storage Heating. General Domestic Accounts are a Flat rate. Fact. There is most certainly no "default" to day/night rate. Indeed businesses have a range of tariffs from flat rate to Max Demand. It's Domestic that are predominately Flat Rate. I can back this up from close contact with someone with 35 years involvement in the electricity business. What do you base your erroneous assertions on?

MOH

tommy21 wrote: »

Back up 'most' please. While flat rates exist it is generally for business. From my experience most residential customers (rightly or wrongly) are on the default day/night rate.

I'm pretty sure if you're on a day/night rate you'll hate a split meter showing the usage for both. If you don't, you're on a flat rate. I've always been on flat rate, most houses I know are

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Wilde86 wrote: »

It's heated by a small oil heater. Not one of those blow heaters that eat up energy and I only turn it on for half an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening at most.

It will add up. Oil filled radiators still have a rating of 1 to 3 KW. At 2KW for and hour and a half each day would be close to €27 every 2 months.

LaLucy

Ok we moved in 29th aug and took meter reading ourselves as landlady never did. It was day 40130 and night was 31375. Two weeks after moving in we got a bill for 14euro. Now today got a bill for almost 250euro! What in the name of.. So I've looked at bill the last estimated reading is 39869 for day and 31292 for night. Now their present reading says 40951 for day and 31680 for night. I have to check my present readings here but is there bill we got right? Before we moved in the place was used as a holiday place with different people in and out all the time so is it just an estimate based on past bills? We can't afford to pay this it's about 3 times the amount we expected it to be. Out last apartment had the same storage heaters and electric cooker and was never over 100 so what is going on here? Please help thanks a lot

gamgsam

don't worry about it, add the bill up yourself and give the esb a shout after and give them your new reading. You can round it down a good bit and they wont notice

I had a shocker of a bill too, but it turned out to be nothing like what they were asking for, its no big deal

Sleipnir

Your bill tells you whether or not your bill is estimated. Have you looked at the back of it? It explains all.

dudara

Is the E250 bill estimated or not?

When you moved in, you should have contacted the ESB with the new readings, and you would only have been billed from that point onwards.

Max Power1

As dudara says, check if the reading is estimated on the bill, if it is you can provide the accurate reading to your supplier (ESB CS in this case) and request a new bill be issued. I think this has to be done within 14 days of bill issue.

Fnergg

You need to contact ESB Customer Supply and discuss with them the start readings used on your account.

I'm surprised you didn't contact them when you moved in. You had the actual meter readings and so it was in your interest to ensure your account was set up from the proper readings. You then got your first (estimated) bill but again it would appear you took no action.

Talk to ESB Customer Supply (1850372372) and they may be able to re-bill you from the actual readings you took in August.

Moral of the story for anyone moving in and out of properties: the onus is on you to take the meter readings and to inform your supplier accordingly. Don't depend on the landlord to do it for you.

Regards,

Fnergg

LaLucy

Thanks everyone for your helpful advice. I checked the meter and their estimates are pretty close. So does that mean we actually used 250 euro worth of electricity in the past 61 days? The flat is always cold and the storage heaters don't seem to work. There is a portable gas heater here too but I'm cautious about the fumes. Aren't gas heaters illegal? Anyway could they have added more to our bill if they think they underestimated past bills before we were here?

dudara

If the estimated reading is close to the actual meter reading, then it means that someone at some stage used that electricity.

If you didn't baseline the account by giving them the meter readings when you moved in, then you are now liable.

For reference, our bill climbs over E150 for a one-bedroomed flat in an old redbrick house in the middle of winter. It's high-ceilinged and impossible to heat, but that's what it costs. In summer, our bill drops to about E60.

jor el

LaLucy wrote: »

It was day 40130 and night was 31375. Two weeks after moving in we got a bill for 14euro. Now today got a bill for almost 250euro! What in the name of.. So I've looked at bill the last estimated reading is 39869 for day and 31292 for night.

Your day reading, when you moved in, is 291 units higher than what the bill thinks, which means someone hasn't paid for those 260 units. These are now added to your bill, and since you didn't correct the reading when you moved in, you're liable for them. That accounts for about €52. The night bill is 83 units off, which is also added to your bill, and adds about another €8.

If the current estimate is higher than the actual reading, then that will also add to the total.

starbelgrade

On top of that advice, I'd also urge you to consider changing electricity suppliers - Bord Gas are definitely cheaper & I believe Eirtrcity are too.

Max Power1

starbelgrade wrote: »

On top of that advice, I'd also urge you to consider changing electricity suppliers - Bord Gas are definitely cheaper & I believe Eirtrcity are too.

+1

IMO no-one who is still with ESB can rightly give out about prices! They are losing 12-13% by staying put!!

Contact Airtricity or Bord Gais (which I would do with the greatest caution) and change supplier. AFAIK if you pay by DD they both give 12% discount.

mcaul

LaLucy wrote: »

Thanks everyone for your helpful advice. I checked the meter and their estimates are pretty close. So does that mean we actually used 250 euro worth of electricity in the past 61 days? The flat is always cold and the storage heaters don't seem to work. There is a portable gas heater here too but I'm cautious about the fumes. Aren't gas heaters illegal? Anyway could they have added more to our bill if they think they underestimated past bills before we were here?

Check that the timer switches for both meters are correct. - Also check the storage heaters. - No use having heat on when you're not there.

You can also have a free survey done on usage- details...

You don’t much for free these days – but ESB are offering Irish homeowners a free energy efficiency survey (even if you are not an ESB customer).

The survey will assess the energy efficiency of all of your current insulation, heating and lighting systems inside and outside of your home.

Afterwards, the surveyor will supply you with a comprehensive report with specific recommendations on making your home more energy-efficient along with relevant cost estimates.
With proper BER surveys costing as much as €200 – this is a cheaper way of getting energy saving tips and advice if you are not selling your house.

If you are a homeowner and your house was built before 1980, you may well benefit from getting this survey done. You can call ESB Customer Care team at 1850 372 333. ( have your MPRN Number to hand when making the call. The MPRN number is the 11 digit number displayed on the top right side of you electricity bill.)

You can apply online here

You can Apply by post to :

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thefeatheredcat

LaLucy wrote: »

The flat is always cold and the storage heaters don't seem to work. There is a portable gas heater here too

Storage heaters eat electricity, as well as using washing machines and driers in the day time as well as immersion switches. You need to get onto your landlady to get the heaters fixed or at least checked out.

I've heard that some of those portable radiators are great for heating although I don't know from first hand experience. It may be worth looking for one of those and check for cost effectiveness as could save you some cash. If the heating doesn't work then you should request for your landlady to buy one.

Is the bill in your own personal name or in the landlady's? I assume that the old esb a/c of previous occupiers was closed or transferred into your name? I'd be a bit dubious if it's in your landlady's name and your paying for her or someone else's electricity!

LaLucy

So anyone know why there are 2 day prices and 2 night prices? It says meter readings then next to it quantity and price with 2 for day and 2 for night. There's a big difference between them too. Heads wrecked

LaLucy

starbelgrade wrote: »

On top of that advice, I'd also urge you to consider changing electricity suppliers - Bord Gas are definitely cheaper & I believe Eirtrcity are too.

A man from airtricity came around tonight and it does seem cheaper. We will only be here a few more months then contract up and might try get a place with an open fire. I'm kicking myself that I didn't call them with the exact reading when we moved in. If there is arrears I will be contacting the landlady for it because I will not be paying it!

Davy

LaLucy wrote: »

So anyone know why there are 2 day prices and 2 night prices? It says meter readings then next to it quantity and price with 2 for day and 2 for night. There's a big difference between them too. Heads wrecked

The kwh rate per unit change. Cant remember when it changed, but thats what that would indicate to me

MOH

LaLucy wrote: »

So anyone know why there are 2 day prices and 2 night prices? It says meter readings then next to it quantity and price with 2 for day and 2 for night. There's a big difference between them too. Heads wrecked

Did the rate change during the period covered by the bill? If so they'll split it, and show the amount charged at each rate.

sisa147

Hi there, I have similar problem with my bills. My bill states that I am on pricing profile 2 which means that I use Night Saver Plan. I assume there are 2 different meters one for day and one for night usage. I never check my meters as they are located in the hallway and only landlord or ESB has the access and the box it's always locked. The problem I have is that my night usage according to my bills is 3 to 4x higher then my day usage. Night usage starts from 11pm till 8am in wintertime.. and from 12pm till 9am summertime... but I live in small studio apt. and do not use many appliances during night hrs. I go to bed before 11pm and always switch everything off during night even heating. In the mornings I only use shower and kettle and *light in winter.. and maybe half an hour of heating at most. I use most energy during day.. when I come back from work.. cooking, washing..pc.. etc... otherwise I always unplug everything when I go out. So how come I use so much more energy at night when everything is unplugged?

Davy

sisa147 wrote: »

Hi there, I have similar problem with my bills. My bill states that I am on pricing profile 2 which means that I use Night Saver Plan. I assume there are 2 different meters one for day and one for night usage. I never check my meters as they are located in the hallway and only landlord or ESB has the access and the box it's always locked. The problem I have is that my night usage according to my bills is 3 to 4x higher then my day usage. Night usage starts from 11pm till 8am in wintertime.. and from 12pm till 9am summertime... but I live in small studio apt. and do not use many appliances during night hrs. I go to bed before 11pm and always switch everything off during night even heating. In the mornings I only use shower and kettle and *light in winter.. and maybe half an hour of heating at most. I use most energy during day.. when I come back from work.. cooking, washing..pc.. etc... otherwise I always unplug everything when I go out. So how come I use so much more energy at night when everything is unplugged?

Its possible, that your meter is on the wrong timing. You need to see your meter, when you look at it, the arrow will be pointing up during the day to Peak rate. Its one meter, with two readings, that switches according to a timer. This can be set by ESB Networks staff if you call them.

One question though, do you have storage heating? That would be using electricity at night rate while your sleeping.

sisa147

Davy wrote: »

Its possible, that your meter is on the wrong timing. You need to see your meter, when you look at it, the arrow will be pointing up during the day to Peak rate. Its one meter, with two readings, that switches according to a timer. This can be set by ESB Networks staff if you call them.

One question though, do you have storage heating? That would be using electricity at night rate while your sleeping.

First of all thanks for your reply, I thing you might be right with the storage heating.. not 100% sure though..there are two power switches next to my heater.. and I have no idea which one to use.. I assume one is for night usage and other for day right? but if I am on night usage than there is no problem.. as it's cheaper.. best thing will be to speak to my landlord he should know.. but thanks anyway..

Davy

Do you have 'input' and 'output' controls beside boxish type radiators?

MadMickeyMonk

Anyone with unexplained high bills need to take stock of how many appliances in their house have elements and motors. Elements use most so even that 10 min shower in the morning uses up nearly as much power as 2 hours tv... Electric showers,kettles,washing machines that dont use piped hot water,tumble dryers,ovens,cooker,fridge,microwaves,fan/convector heaters. These are all the biggest culprits. Also dont forget anyone with a back boiler in their fireplace.. your pump is on when your fire is lit which could be 10 hours a day.

Lucyx

I'm just wondering if this seems excessive to anyone else.

I live in a one bedroom apartment and I only have electricity, no gas.
I have the night saver thing for heating the water and storage heaters which
I rarely have on. The heater in the bedroom is probably only on two hours each
evening or less. My bill for the last 2 months is 200euro. This seems loads to me.

I'm wondering would the water heater be using lots of power during the night.

Cabaal

Is it estimated or a meter reading?

If its a meter reading bill then odds are previous bills were underestimated, if you want more accurate bills then best to submit meter readings each month yourself

Lucyx

Cabaal wrote: »

Is it estimated or a meter reading?

If its a meter reading bill then odds are previous bills were underestimated, if you want more accurate bills then best to submit meter readings each month yourself

Its a meter reading and its only my second bill and I know the previous bill was a meter reading too and theres definitely nothing carried forward.

I'd love to know what other people are paying bi-monthly for their ESB in ESB only homes.

looksee

Yes, that is too much, we're paying at most €120 for 2 months, for a 4bed semi. No electric heating but electric showers and the usual other stuff.
We had a situation recently with a daughter in a student flat where they were getting ridiculous bills month after month. It eventually turned out the meters were mis-labelled all over the block with each pair of meters getting the other's bills. We are not sure what the other guy was doing with all the power but cannabis plants were mentioned.

dudara

Threads merged

dudara

Fnergg

Lucyx wrote: »

I'm just wondering if this seems excessive to anyone else.

I live in a one bedroom apartment and I only have electricity, no gas.
I have the night saver thing for heating the water and storage heaters which
I rarely have on. The heater in the bedroom is probably only on two hours each
evening or less. My bill for the last 2 months is 200euro. This seems loads to me.

I'm wondering would the water heater be using lots of power during the night.

I think the problem here is the water heating. You should not have it on all night. Switch it on about 30 minutes before you need it and then switch it off afterwards. Better still, get a timeswitch fitted to do that for you.

Overall, you are paying €25 a week - €3.50 per day - for all your energy needs. Seems OK to me but cut back on the water heating and you will see a reduction.

Regards,

Fnergg

Penny1624

This is probably a stupid question but does anyone know if it possible to get monthly bills from ESB? I find it much easier to budget for bills that come every month than bi-monthly bills

Fnergg

Penny1624 wrote: »

This is probably a stupid question but does anyone know if it possible to get monthly bills from ESB? I find it much easier to budget for bills that come every month than bi-monthly bills

It isn't possible.

What you could do is pay an amount every month (or more often if you wish) towards your next bill. You can do that online with your Laser card:

https://www.esb.ie/esbcustomersupply/residential/your_account/pay/startPayInit.do

Regards,

Fnergg

flo2009

I moved over to Bord Gais about 6 months ago, I thought great 12% discount. The first bill was brilliant about 30 cheaper than the normal our normal being 100-120 euro The last two bills have been both 200 euro, we have changed nothing about how we are using electricity. I have allowed for the cold weather and all the rest but we have never gotten a bill of that much from esb. I cant find out how long our contract is with them, but has anyone experienced what the service is like with Airtricty?? :(:(

tagoona

First off, you THINK you're usage is the same.
Be certain.
Pull out the ESB bill for this time last year. Check the number of units used. Make sure the readings were proper and not estimated.
Now make sure the bill from bord gais is not estimated.
Is the number of units increased after a year?
There may be a faulty appliance some where.
Take a meter reading going to bed and again when you get up in the morning.
After that, it's the usual, make sure the immersion is using.
People will be able to help you here, but only if they have all the details, readings, type of house, heating system etc....