Dublin Big job on my teeth -Where to go up North.

mick087

I have to say i have put this off for far too long,but i have now decided that i musst do this as its getting out of hand,its so bad im afraid to smile.When i do smile you cn see that half of my front tooth is missing and the 2 next to it on the top eft hand side are missing so you can see how silly i look.

Ok i have a lot of work i need done to my teeth
at least 6 top teeth only shells remain,A crown on my front tooth maybe root canal on the other.Also i will need a plate made with about 8 false teeth for the top part and a few filings no dout,but all my bottom ones seem ok.
So thats all what i no thats to be done.
I have decided to go to North ireland for this treatment and want to go for a check up within 2 weeks to get the ball rolling im in Dublin and will have to use public transport which i dont mind.Any one have a clue to how much this will cost and were the nearest place up north to go..
Please pm me if you need to as i no theres some tough new rules.
IAs i say have to get this work done as its about time i did

btkm8unsl0w5r4

get it done in the south, going up and down that much will cost you a lot in missed work to say the least. Your southern dentist will spend lots of time, is a small business man employing people in the south and supporting your own job. You would be supprised how close in price it is to the south. Also your PRSI may contribute to some of the cost and a tax deduction is available on the non routien stuff.

Big_G

I know a lot of dentists down south who are willing to negotiate price due to the current economic climate. This is technically against the ethical guidelines of the IDC but I think that its a good thing.

mick087

Maverick Flaky Bump wrote: »

get it done in the south, going up and down that much will cost you a lot in missed work to say the least. Your southern dentist will spend lots of time, is a small business man employing people in the south and supporting your own job. You would be supprised how close in price it is to the south. Also your PRSI may contribute to some of the cost and a tax deduction is available on the non routien stuff.

You have a good point my friend,and if there is only a few hundred in rge differance,i will indeed have it done here,but i already been told a crown in one dentist that i go to will be 1200 euro,so before i decide i will shop around.

helimachoptor

Op, I a crown with my southern dentist is 900, I'm getting 3 crowns up north and an implant for €4000. With petrol and tolls it costs say €30 per trip up but I'm saving an absolute fortune. Not that I will have to go up all that often.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

If the dentist in the south is a specialist (at 1200 a crown it may well be) and the dentist in the north is a general dentist, you are comparing at two completly different things. Try a general dentist in the south if that is the case. However you pay a specialist more for their specialist knowledge - this is often worth the extra cost. if your case is complex.

A crown is not a crown only dependant on price. The quality of a cheap crown with cheap materials, laboratory work and done quickly may be inferior to a high quality crown. The dentist doing the treatment is to most important variable. Quality is King.

.....editing the title to stop the shouting....

btkm8unsl0w5r4

helimachoptor wrote: »

Op, I a crown with my southern dentist is 900, I'm getting 3 crowns up north and an implant for €4000. With petrol and tolls it costs say €30 per trip up but I'm saving an absolute fortune. Not that I will have to go up all that often.

For that treatment to be done properly you will be up and down around 8 times. With whole days off work or holidays taken. This over a 6 months period.

4000 euro + 8 days off work + 8 x 30 euro (240 EURO) would be around 6000 euro approx.

Am about to fit 6 crowns for a patient at 1 o'clock, the lab bill alone for the crowns was nearly as much as your treatment is going to cost. They look georgous though, and fit like a glove.

BryanL

helimachoptor wrote: »

Op, I a crown with my southern dentist is 900, I'm getting 3 crowns up north and an implant for €4000. With petrol and tolls it costs say €30 per trip up but I'm saving an absolute fortune. Not that I will have to go up all that often.

3x €900= €2,700 so you'd still have €1,300 for the implant and get your tax back plus PRSI contribution? I'm not sure your saving that much.

Also if you ask your dentist to use the very cheapest crowns he can get you could save a few hundred per crown.

The normal crowns i place are 15 times more expensive than the cheapest ones i've heard of.
Bryan

helimachoptor

Maverick Flaky Bump wrote: »

If the dentist in the south is a specialist (at 1200 a crown it may well be) and the dentist in the north is a general dentist, you are comparing at two completly different things. Try a general dentist in the south if that is the case. However you pay a specialist more for their specialist knowledge - this is often worth the extra cost. if your case is complex.

A crown is not a crown only dependant on price. The quality of a cheap crown with cheap materials, laboratory work and done quickly may be inferior to a high quality crown. The dentist doing the treatment is to most important variable. Quality is King.

.....editing the title to stop the shouting....

General dentist was €900 here. 3 Crowns in NI + €30 per trip (€240) is still less than 3 crowns down here. And don't get me started on the massive price difference between between the implants!

helimachoptor

Maverick Flaky Bump wrote: »

For that treatment to be done properly you will be up and down around 8 times. With whole days off work or holidays taken. This over a 6 months period.

4000 euro + 8 days off work + 8 x 30 euro (240 EURO) would be around 6000 euro approx.

Am about to fit 6 crowns for a patient at 1 o'clock, the lab bill alone for the crowns was nearly as much as your treatment is going to cost. They look georgous though, and fit like a glove.

Thankfully I won't need to take time off, the joys of having a blackberry and being ever contactable! And I would be on the road a bit so it's really no different than traveling to a meeting etc.

I have seen other similar work done by this dentist and I'm happy.

helimachoptor

BryanL wrote: »

3x €900= €2,700 so you'd still have €1,300 for the implant and get your tax back plus PRSI contribution? I'm not sure your saving that much.

Also if you ask your dentist to use the very cheapest crowns he can get you could save a few hundred per crown.

The normal crowns i place are 15 times more expensive than the cheapest ones i've heard of.
Bryan

My dentist down here quoted me €10k for the work. Went to another and got €9500. Up north to 3 dentists and they pretty much all quoted me around the same price.

There's seems to be some debate on the tax back if work is done in NI, I know I cant claim for the implant but what about the crowns?

But to be perfectly honest, aslong as I'm happy with quality of work/materials I'm not to worried about getting a bit back on tax.

Honestly I'd love to keep my business down here but 10k is just too expensive.

mick087

My budget was about 3grand,bloomin heck your all talking in crazy money..Had no idea it good be so expensive.Have to get a few qwotes lol.
just have to have a bit done at a time over a long priod at these prices..But has to be done.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

helimachoptor wrote: »

My dentist down here quoted me €10k for the work. Went to another and got €9500. Up north to 3 dentists and they pretty much all quoted me around the same price.

There's seems to be some debate on the tax back if work is done in NI, I know I cant claim for the implant but what about the crowns?

But to be perfectly honest, aslong as I'm happy with quality of work/materials I'm not to worried about getting a bit back on tax.

Honestly I'd love to keep my business down here but 10k is just too expensive.

Well as long as you are happy. On 10k you would have got 2000 euro back in tax, so its more than a bit. Also 10k hints to me you were quoted for grafting, you getting grafting up North?


You have to ask yourself, why dont I and the other dentists here use the cheap laboratory work in the north? No the dentists in the north do not make less money than we do?

Anyway read the charter, relative costs are for the consumer issues forum, this is about dental issues,

res ipsa

I would recommend David McCaughey on the Malone Road in Belfast if you feel obliged to go north.He is a restorative specialist, however you will probably find that the quote will be similar to the south, because clinical work that outlives the patient demands patient co-operation, time, resources and technical excellence.

kitesurfingbum

I was told by both Dublin dentists that I required a Crown, (€900) which I made me think of heading up north, (I had just paid €600 for root canal!!!!!!)

So yesterday morning I went up to Belfast

I was not charged for consultation, unlike two Dublin dentist (saving of €100)
I was told I did not require a Crown, (Saving of €825, filling €50, fuel €25)
Was unsure about this so on my way back down, organised consultation with Dentist north of the boarder. (surprise surprise , He said that I did not need crown as well)

Conclusion, Go up North for honest Dentist
Wish I could post name of dentist, if you want them Please PM me

Big_G

I must admit that on the face of it that appears to be the correct conclusion. However, what if it isn't the correct conclusion? What if you do actually need a crown?

It's neither here nor there, in a couple of years you'll know anyway.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

If it was a back tooth - then all back teeth sould have crowns after root canal work to prevent fracture in the future without exception in my opinion. The chance of still having a root treated back tooth (canine backwards) in your head in 7 years without a crown is only 50% on average.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6376780?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Some front teeth that have root canal do not require crowns if the hole for the root canal is very small, these teeth do tend to go dark over time though, and may require bleaching, veneer or crown for aesthetic reasons.


Anyway as Big_G syas you will know in a few years, it will fracture or not. a fracture however is unpredictable and could mean you have to loose the tooth all together, the risk benefit is uaully on the side of the crown. Also a crown seals the root canal treatment much better than a filling.It is this seals that will determine if the root canal is successful regardless of the quality of the root canal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7642323?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Dental diagnosis is not an exact science and several dentists will give you different options depending on their own philosophy and experiance, this is common and not something to get worked up over.

Please leave to comparative costings for the consumer issues forum as per charter.

Kitesurfingbum, I hope your own startup business is not undercut by a low cost economy, Dentists are small businessman and women also, subject to the same pressures as you, but without the grants.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61778525#post61778525

Big_G

I totally missed the line about root canal! Unless this is a front tooth it is imperative that this tooth be crowned asap. You are saving yourself nothing by going up north and not having a crown done. You have been warned!

convert

I've had a number of back teeth root filled, they're not crowned and I've never had a problem with them. They were done about ten or fifteen years ago. Maybe the quality of the work done was very good and/or I'm just lucky!

I would also definitely recommend going to the north for treatment too, esp for crowns and root canals. It's so much cheaper, with transport and time taken into account. And if you find a good dentist there shouldn't be a problem with quality. I had both a crown and root canal done on 2 separate teeth and have had no problems with them since.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

convert wrote: »

I've had a number of back teeth root filled, they're not crowned and I've never had a problem with them. They were done about ten or fifteen years ago. Maybe the quality of the work done was very good and/or I'm just lucky!

I would also definitely recommend going to the north for treatment too, esp for crowns and root canals. It's so much cheaper, with transport and time taken into account. And if you find a good dentist there shouldn't be a problem with quality. I had both a crown and root canal done on 2 separate teeth and have had no problems with them since.

Well arnt you the lucky one. However the advice stands, not from any one persons anecdotal evidence but from randomized controlled trials of hundreds of thousands of teeth that root canal treated back teeth should be crowned without exception. If you don't get them crowned then you run the risk of loosing the tooth. Only time will tell, not one of two years mind you but in 5-7 years.

I think that we can only give you the best advice there is, if you take it or not is your business. They are your teeth not mine or your dentists. As a crown and bridge specialist I see mostly teeth that did not get crowned when the root canal was done. Now some years later, not only are you lucky if the tooth can be saved after a fracture, but usually the root canal needs to be redone due to leakage if it can. A stitch in time and all that.

As for comparative price comparison between north and south please leave that for the consumer issues forum.

convert wrote: »

I found Berney's in Kilcullen really good. I bought both my helmet and backprotector there and the guy spent ages fitting my helmet to get one that was just right. Same with my back protector. Instead of selling me a National Hunt one (which I need for ptps), which was a fraction big for me, he recommended a flat one instead. He got me to get into a riding position and checked the fitting so it wasn't too loose or too tight to interfere with me.

It's so important to have right fitting equipment, as something that is incorrectly fitting can actually cause more injuries. My advice would be to buy the best you can afford, ensuring that it adheres to the safety standard required by the Pony Club or AIRC.

Its improtant to have well fitting dental work too, something that is incorrectly fitting can actually cause more injuries. I bet I can buy that stuff cheaper in the north too, Berneys will go out of business but you know, there is a recession on. I am afraid that cheap crown = cheap laboratory work = lesser quality. My advice is get the best you can afford.

I know that its a little facetious to do that, but I am trying to let you guys know that:
Irish Dentistry is in generally very high quality and hence expensive. Southern dentists are usually private, and spend a lot of time with patients.
The northern Dentists have access to cheap laboratory work that while "Ok" is not a standard I would be happy with. Better lab work usually equalizes the costs north and south. Costs in the north are less than the south.
Dentists are small business men and women employing people in every town in Ireland.
Spending your money in another state directly effects you own jobs, or job prospects once out of college.
Southern Dentists are cheaper than you might think and northern dentists are not as cheap as you think.

Your dental work in the South is a TAX DEDUCTIBLE EXPENSE.

kitesurfingbum

Maverick Flaky Bump wrote: »

Kitesurfingbum, I hope your own startup business is not undercut by a low cost economy, Dentists are small businessman and women also, subject to the same pressures as you, but without the grants.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61778525#post61778525

Maverick Flaky Bump

I Am very sorry if I offended you, But I cannot see why you should bring up my other threads.
The reason I Have received a grant is that I am creating employment in new industry and bringing investment from the outside of Ireland. In the past 3 years alone I have paid over 400 K in tax's, yet I am not be eligible for the dole. If The government see fit to return some of this money to me so be it.

Get off your high horse, you are providing a professional service, like solicitors and accountants.
MY legal fees have reduced by 50%
my accountants fees have reduced by 40%
why are my dental fees going up? That is why I have gone up north.

I wish you could keep the discussion on the subject of this thread and not I am poor dentist who who is not entitled to a grant.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

kitesurfingbum wrote: »

fitzgeme

I Am very sorry if I offended you, But I cannot see why you should bring up my other threads.
The reason I Have received a grant is that I am creating employment in new industry and bringing investment from the outside of Ireland. In the past 3 years alone I have paid over 400 K in tax's, yet I am not be eligible for the dole. If The government see fit to return some of this money to me so be it.

Get off your high horse, you are providing a professional service, like solicitors and accountants.
MY legal fees have reduced by 50%
my accountants fees have reduced by 40%
why are my dental fees going up? That is why I have gone up north.

I wish you could keep the discussion on the subject of this thread and not I am poor dentist who who is not entitled to a grant.

I never said that I am a poor dentist, I am saying that it is hypocrisy for you to take all you can get from the state and yet advocate that people spend their money outside the state.

I am merely pointing out that like you, a dental practice is a small business bringing employment into Ireland, buying goods from irish suppliers and Irish laboratories just like your business, and paying large amounts of tax. I listen to you saying on one hand how you go up north to save your personal sheckles, and on the other how the irish taxpayer is giving your business a grant and I am sure you want irish people to buy your products. As I am sure you regard your product as good value, high quality and offer excellent service, so does the irish dentist. If your products were available elsewhere for less (and if you employ people then certainly being in Ireland is not the most cost effective place to work from) but it was inferior, made of lesser materials, made without care and attention, but your customers did not care they only wanted it cheap cheap cheap, would you be happy?

Also as a crown a bridge specialist I have offered you (free of charge may I add) my not inconsiderable opinion regarding the crowning of a root canal treated tooth. You have yet to tell us if it is a front or a back tooth, you seem more interested in the price of things than what is actually best for your oral health.

Your dental fees have not gone up. I know of no dentist who raised fees in the last 2 years. Your fees seem to have gone up because you have never had to pay out for your teeth in a big way before and were not expecting it. Prevention (which your southern irish dentist campaigns for during oral health week and by addition of fluoride to drinking water) is much cheaper than cure.

Big_G

What solicitor and accountant are you using? My fees are still the same for both. And my indemnity insurance which is nearly 3000 euro a year still hasn't dropped. So my costs are the same, why should my prices drop? Especially since we haven't had price increase in private fees in either of my practices since 2006. And med card fees haven't had an increase beyond inflation (usually it is significantly below) in something like 12 years? As for PRSI, I am unsure. Remember that a lot of dentists are associates who only take 50% of what they earn, out of which they have to pay tax.

By the way, dentists aren't entitled to the dole or other public benefits and we don't get a pension like GP's do for seeing public patients.

As a small business owner, my boss just spent over 250000 euro on equipment updates for the practice. All that has to be covered by fees. Not to mention materials which are more expensive here than anywhere in Europe. Bitch and moan about dentists in the Republic, but you as a small business owner should know that it is more expensive to do business here than almost anywhere. Our main expense is wages by the way.

Solas8

Gosh guys you are so defensive. I went abroad and made a huge mistake and believe me I am paying a high price for it.

The cost here was too high and I felt I had no choice. I believe we need a compromise and stop the arguing. Taking the VAT differential out of the equation the costs in the south are still much more expensive.

Before I am told this is a consumer issue, it has unfortunately, become an important dental issue also.

Kind regards to you all

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Here and in the UK there is no VAT on dental work.

You will also have to pardon us for defending or profession, business, livelyhoods and the livelyhoods of our staff, suppliers and laboratories.

Big_G

Yeah. I studied long and hard for this profession and I do nothing but listen to people bitch and moan about the dentist. "No offense, but I hate the dentist" etc, etc. Nine times out of ten, if you're sitting in my chair with a problem, you've neglected yourself. How much does it cost to limit your refined carbohydrate intake and use a toothbrush twice a day?

Yes, the dentist is expensive, but its all relative really isn't it? I read an article recently that stated that relative to the average industrial wage, dentistry was cheaper in Ireland than it is in Poland and several other European countries.

What else in this world that you pay for lasts as long as what the dentist does?
Fillings last an average of 7-10 years. If a filling costs 100 euro, that's a tenner a year. The rule I live by in dentistry is spend money early on to save money later on.

Why do dentists get the short end of the stick on cost? I think its because the public don't understand what goes into dentistry. The fine motor skills, the fine tolerances, the small margin for error. The extremely high cost of materials and manpower. The high cost of malpractice insurance in particular (250 pounds sterling in the north vs. 3000 euro in the Republic). In fact, Ireland is the most expensive country outside of the US for indemnity insurance in the world. I suppose we should thank the solicitors for that.

Big_G

Solas8 wrote: »

Gosh guys you are so defensive. I went abroad and made a huge mistake and believe me I am paying a high price for it.

The cost here was too high and I felt I had no choice. I believe we need a compromise and stop the arguing. Taking the VAT differential out of the equation the costs in the south are still much more expensive.

Before I am told this is a consumer issue, it has unfortunately, become an important dental issue also.

Kind regards to you all

I agree it is a dental issue, but not for this forum. We felt it should be defined as a consumer issue because all of the forum was taken up with the same questions of costs in dentistry. The mods and the other professional contributors don't come here to answer questions about prices all day every day over and over again ad nauseum.

So take it elsewhere if you must.

That is all.

mark renton

Hey mick087

did you get a price on your job?

mick087

Yes i went up north and got a price.
What i need is 2 crowns, 4 teeth out some fillings and a bridge or did he say 2 brigdes also root canael treatment on at least 2 teeth and a few other bits and bobs to be done ,all told a minum of 8 vists.
i also ent to a dentist in the south,im going up north.They wont let us give prices out but if you want the price from the north i can pm you if you wish.
Once this is all done im gona bloody take care of them...

john47832 wrote: »

Hey mick087

did you get a price on your job?

mark renton

Thanks Mick - im just looking for a couple of implants myself and trying to gague cost, I suppose I cant really gauge from your work - do you have an itemized portion of cost on any implants?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Comparative price questions to consumer issues please. Read the charter.

mark renton

Thats ridiculous - how do we go about requesting to change charter??

T-rev

Its funny listening to the arguments of denists up the north vs dentists down south. I'm just back from the dentist up north and it was the nicest dental experience I've ever had. They explained everything, and gave me different options and let me decide for myself.

Worked out nearly half price from the republic and that is using the same materials/professionals as they would have used down here. (procera crowns, root canal by an endodontist, etc)

I just cant afford the prices they charge down here for dental work so I decided to head up north.

It is a shame that people have to resort to that but thats the way the world works.

Big_G

john47832 wrote: »

Thats ridiculous - how do we go about requesting to change charter??

You don't request a change to the charter here. Try the feedback forum.

Big_G

T-rev wrote: »

Its funny listening to the arguments of denists up the north vs dentists down south. I'm just back from the dentist up north and it was the nicest dental experience I've ever had. They explained everything, and gave me different options and let me decide for myself.

Worked out nearly half price from the republic and that is using the same materials/professionals as they would have used down here. (procera crowns, root canal by an endodontist, etc)

I just cant afford the prices they charge down here for dental work so I decided to head up north.

It is a shame that people have to resort to that but thats the way the world works.

Apart from cost, it sounds like everything was the same as what you would get down here in the Republic.

res ipsa

T-rev wrote: »

Worked out nearly half price from the republic and that is using the same materials/professionals as they would have used down here. root canal by an endodontist, etc)

There are only 2 specialist endodontists in practice in Northern Ireland, so I hope it wasn't a pretendodontist:D u saw.

T-rev

and you know that how?

I have faith in the practice I went to. I doubt the certificates hanging up in the practice are forgeries.

It makes me laugh when you see dentists down here trying to fight their corner. They say they cant lower their prices because of such high costs. You would probably get a lot more business if you were to lower your prices. If the price difference for my teeth was €1000-€1500 I would get them done down here but the fact remains that its twice as expensive.

PS - I am still waiting to come across a poor dentist

res ipsa

T-rev wrote: »

and you know that how?

I have faith in the practice I went to. I doubt the certificates hanging up in the practice are forgeries.

It makes me laugh when you see dentists down here trying to fight their corner. They say they cant lower their prices because of such high costs. You would probably get a lot more business if you were to lower your prices. If the price difference for my teeth was €1000-€1500 I would get them done down here but the fact remains that its twice as expensive.

PS - I am still waiting to come across a poor dentist

I know 2 dentists who were declared bankrupt.
Most of the price difference is a currency play.
Pound/euro used to be 1.5 now its 1.1, that explains all of the alleged 29% difference in prices and the rest.
If we pulled out of the euro and went back to the punt,the prices for dental services would drop like a stone, relative to the sterling price, not because dentists dropped their fees, but because of a currency depreciation that would mean the country would have to default on its euro-related debts.
So campaign for that,if you want a quick fix to our high cost service industry.

davgtrek

this is an interesting thread. i too will have some work needed shortly and i will definately price up north.
I've had enough of this small business local employment crap.
lads as small businness's over past decade ye have made a killing. paid among the lowest tax in europe. local dentists prices are expensive. dont get me wrong. i think ye at least earn it as opposed to GP's who are complete robbers. but that aside we need to get over this whole Republic of Ireland attitude. are you telling me that if i was living in switzerland i would not drive 3 hours to france to get teeth done at half price. They all do it across europe in every aspect of the economy so as a result competition exists.

The quality of dentistry here is high but lately the local dentist will refer you to specialists at the drop of a hat. the end result is very high costs to the customer. So its well worth saving a few thousand up north.
You'd think "up north" was Bulgaria from some of the posts here by people in dental profession.

Some one else was on about PI insurance being 3k here v 900 up north and then adding that this high cost country causes high costs to customers. Sure don't you write that 3k off directly against tax along with all the other expenses. Thats just an excuse by all in the SFA to keep profits high.

The fact that there is some dental charter in place between members to prevent bargaining or undercutting is a complete joke.
So the local dentist employing local people can shrug their shoulders and say to the client that "thats the guide price set by our organisation" tough!
Come on lads , get real.

Drop your prices and quit moaning about people going up north.

Big_G

T-rev wrote: »

and you know that how?

Because he is an endodontist.

Big_G

davgtrek wrote: »

The fact that there is some dental charter in place between members to prevent bargaining or undercutting is a complete joke.
So the local dentist employing local people can shrug their shoulders and say to the client that "thats the guide price set by our organisation" tough!
Come on lads , get real.

Drop your prices and quit moaning about people going up north.

What charter is this? Back up your statements with facts please. We are not in the business of throwing slanderous accusations around willy nilly in this forum. The only thing I think you are referring to is called the Dentists Act 1985. Which is the law, not an agreement between a group of professionals.

mark renton

I think the reference is to this in the charter

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60608197&postcount=2

"Requests for company names/prıces etc wıll be deleted. Thıs ıs due to the large amount of spam thıs forum attracts. "

Fair enough we all hate spam - but to ban all posting about costs seems a little over the top to me - and may also seem to be very useful if you are a dentist, however to regular people like myself loooking for value for money, this rule is a joke

Big_G

john47832 wrote: »

I think the reference is to this in the charter

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60608197&postcount=2

"Requests for company names/prıces etc wıll be deleted. Thıs ıs due to the large amount of spam thıs forum attracts. "

Fair enough we all hate spam - but to ban all posting about costs seems a little over the top to me - and may also seem to be very useful if you are a dentist, however to regular people like myself loooking for value for money, this rule is a joke

Clearly it isn't. If you have a problem with the charter here, take it to the help desk. That is your last warning.

Oh, and if you want to find out prices, try ringing a few practices, and getting a few consults.

davgtrek

its a pretty convenient law for dentists if thats the case.
i'm not being slanderous. perhaps the dental professionals on this board are a tad sensitive, excuse the pun, to this thread.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

john47832 wrote: »

I think the reference is to this in the charter

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60608197&postcount=2

"Requests for company names/prıces etc wıll be deleted. Thıs ıs due to the large amount of spam thıs forum attracts. "

Fair enough we all hate spam - but to ban all posting about costs seems a little over the top to me - and may also seem to be very useful if you are a dentist, however to regular people like myself loooking for value for money, this rule is a joke

I am sorry these are the rules, we moderate this forum on our own time for free, to make it possible to continue the charter has evolved this way to avoid spam, flame wars, trolling and prevent liable, also to cut down on the large ammount of spam that you do not see.. If you have an issue please feel free to post in the helpdesk section or try another internet forum or consumer issues. This forum is not a price comparison website.

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davgtrek wrote: »

its a pretty convenient law for dentists if thats the case.
i'm not being slanderous. perhaps the dental professionals on this board are a tad sensitive, excuse the pun, to this thread.

Its not a law, its the forum rules, if you cannot live with the rule here please go (get on your bike even...he he) elsewhere to voice your opinions on this matter. All we ask is that you abide by this forums rules if you want to post here. There is also a handy search function here that will show you the dozens of threads on this topic discussed over the years.

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davgtrek wrote: »

its a pretty convenient law for dentists if thats the case.
i'm not being slanderous. perhaps the dental professionals on this board are a tad sensitive, excuse the pun, to this thread.

It's inconvenient, because it prevents us marketing our practices to new patients, and letting patients know what exactly dentistry has to offer. So now. No such law up North.

davo10

davgtrek, let me tell you it is very inconvenient. Nothing would make me happier than to take out a newspaper ad telling the public my services and prices but I would be brought up in front of the dental council if I did. I will not drop prices to low. I look for the best materials and the best lab work, i want to look at my patients in 10 years time and be proud of my work. If I keep dropping prices to compete with lower economies then I have to look for cheaper materials and labs, I will not do that. Irish people are quick to complain if they are not happy with something and that's a good thing. If my clinic is a dingy s**thole with cheap equipment and I place poor crowns/dentures etc, will it matter if they are cheap?. If you want quality you pay for it.

By the way, do you realise that a large percentage of former NHS dental patients who attended clinics in the North which have gone private feel that they are being ripped off by their now private dentists.

joanas

Hey mick087, could you pm me the cost of the work you are getting done and where you are going to have it done. thanks.

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mark renton

Ill save them the bother ciarap

"youre better off getting more professional work done here, yadda yadda yadda"

14k is rediculous, people losing jobs all over the place - money is tight, prices comin down for houses, cars etc - but when it comes to dentistry - where is the middle ground??

reality is they need to come down to earth - IMO, go up North - ive no doubt you looking at 30-40% cheaper

the dentists here make a good living from people on welfare at the taxpayers expense - this is unfortunate because it means they can charge people like me and you whatever they like