IT / Tech Support Industry Dead

J_Dublin15

Seems that getting a job in the IT or Tech Support etc industry is dead, I worked in IT for a Financial company for over a year, before moving to a telecoms company for over 2 years before being let go due to the recession, since then I've hardly been able to find a job. I've started looking at general customer service jobs too lately and admin jobs.

However Nearly every role is either very very senior or involves having a Nordic language, French, German, Spanish or Dutch, none of which I have so I'm sitting here frustrated looking on job sites every day without finding anything in the slightest as I see even the most basic jobs are only recruiting multi-lingual people.

The frustrating thing is about 6 months before being let go I had many many people contacting me about jobs, I've never really found it hard to find a job but now it's been a few months and I just can't find anything and it's so frustrating.

Social welfare are giving me hassle saying I am not looking hard enough as if I was I would have found things, but quite simply there is nothing out there!

CorkFenian

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

Seems that getting a job in the IT or Tech Support etc industry is dead, I worked in IT for a Financial company for over a year, before moving to a telecoms company for over 2 years before being let go due to the recession, since then I've hardly been able to find a job. I've started looking at general customer service jobs too lately and admin jobs.

However Nearly every role is either very very senior or involves having a Nordic language, French, German, Spanish or Dutch, none of which I have so I'm sitting here frustrated looking on job sites every day without finding anything in the slightest as I see even the most basic jobs are only recruiting multi-lingual people.

The frustrating thing is about 6 months before being let go I had many many people contacting me about jobs, I've never really found it hard to find a job but now it's been a few months and I just can't find anything and it's so frustrating.

Social welfare are giving me hassle saying I am not looking hard enough as if I was I would have found things, but quite simply there is nothing out there!

What level of support were you working at?? What kind of cert background experience have you got??For general support its very hard but far from finished IMHO...Just for the moment its tough, employers market and theres guys working in positions (myself included...and glad to be) that they wouldnt have thought of this time 18 mths ago..

J_Dublin15

Can't be too specific as don't want to be identified as know my former employers are watching these boards, but amongst others I have a Diploma in Electronic Engineering, and a few more things, I was meant to be getting trained in Cisco CCNA with my last company who were going to pay for it but it never happened as the recession took hold so thats one thing I always was disappointed in. I had a whole career plan mapped out for me, but new management came in, culled the staff hugely and outsourced everything.

I was previously working in a broadband/telecom Companys technical support department, where I was responsible for training and development of front-line staff, and also spent time as team leader, before this I was senior tech support, basically you'd have a team of customer facing tech support agents, a second level, then a third which were the call out agents, then you have me above them, who worked alongside a senior team leader, the senior team leader was more of a man manager whilst I was the technical person.

I can't even find anything entry level or right at the bottom right now, if you look on jobs.ie nearly everything needs several languages and that is where I am falling down it seems, many employers have told me my CV, experience, and skills are very good, however they'd rather take someone with a much lower CV, much lower experience and skills who has more languages.

stereo_steve

Why do you need to be sent on a CCNA course?


Just get a book and do it? If you have no job at the moment you should be able to complete the course very quickly? Then you have a cert to put in our CV?

/Steve

Santa Claus

All the english speak support jobs have gone to India or Philippines so only European language jobs left here
I'm in the same boat, doing admin & accounts work to keep going but don't see my IT skills becoming useful again anytime soon !

herya

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

Social welfare are giving me hassle saying I am not looking hard enough as if I was I would have found things, but quite simply there is nothing out there!

Mayne they can fund a language course for you then?

dc01974

I myself am working down the country in an IT role. I am finding it hard to get good service in certain niche areas of IT. It seems to me that service providers are putting the horse before the cart and have used these times to cut and slash all for the sake of their bottom lines. Which means longer waiting times and hassle i do not need.

Also I am back in collage doing a degree by night.
There where a few guys in my last course getting the social to pay for their fees or help pay for the fees at least. It be worth asking them if they hassle you, what about sending you back to collage. Because there is one thing they do like is people off the live register.

I know it might be pain but consider me i have a family and kids and can only do one night a week its going take me years to get the degree....

vibe666

keep at it, there is still stuff out there. not much admittedly, but there is still some work if you keep a close eye on the jobs sites.

i sent you a PM anyway with one i noticed today that might suit your skills, hope you find something soon.

keep the faith mate.

AARRRGH

We just hired three people (quality assurance) so the IT industry isn't dead, however it's not the free for all it was 24 months ago.

Would you consider branching out into another area of IT? The reason I say this is because software companies always employ a good few QA/BA/development people, whereas they only need one or two network/support people.

J_Dublin15

For sure, I'm happy to look into other areas in IT, I'm not restricting myself to one area at all and am always happy to look at taking things in a different direction. I'm also flexible on shifts as long as it doesn't involve working between say 11pm-5am, and also on location, with Citywest and Tallaght the only places that are akward to me. But it still doesn't seem enough.

The sticking point being most of my expertise is relatd to the areas I have outlined previously, whilst I have basic programming experience, it's just that, mostly C++, HTML, CSS, Javascript, that kind of thing rather than anything huge and thats my one major regret. Obviously if I knew this was going to happen and the jobs market was like this I would have no doubt done something to change this in the past, but alas I didn't so here we are.

I have done a lot of UAT testing, and beta testing of internal systems in the past, normally as I have a tendancy to pick up very little things, minor bugs that others may miss and am always happy to give feedback rather than sitting and ignoring things. However I have not done a few years solid of this, mostly a few months here and there as part of my job rather than a specific role which is why I don't think it gets me anywhere.

I'm passionate about my work and always want to raise the standards and constantly deliver feedback and try and improve the way things work, I'm never afraid to suggest an improvement or come up with my own ideas.

qwertz

There are jobs out there but they are much harder to get than a year ago.

I disagree with AARRRGH's statement: it's not the free for all it was 24 months ago
The market wasn't good in this sector for the past couple of years.

MysticalRain

I'm in the same boat as well myself looking for an IT support job after being out of work for a year and a half due to an injury.

I don't think the market was ever a "free-for-all" unless you count the dotcom boom which has long since passed. I don't know why employers try to encourage people to get into IT if there are so little jobs out there. Unless it's to drive down wages and keep us all desperate for work.

ntlbell

There is jobs, make yourself more employable

J_Dublin15

MysticalRain wrote: »

I'm in the same boat as well myself looking for an IT support job after being out of work for a year and a half due to an injury.

I don't think the market was ever a "free-for-all" unless you count the dotcom boom which has long since passed. I don't know why employers try to encourage people to get into IT if there are so little jobs out there. Unless it's to drive down wages and keep us all desperate for work.

It depends on how you define free for all, from having worked at supervisory level and having assisted management with a number of things in my last role, there were certainly people in our department who should not have been there, thats for sure, they thought as they had the basics thats all they need and didn't want to learn, or improve themselves or show any kind of effort.

Several of the team would sit there doing nothing all day apart from watching youtube and rushing people off the phone and not wanting to help with no care in the world. They should not have been employed in the first place but most of these people were there prior to my arrival and were almost impossible for us to shift no matter how much I knew they were unsuited because the company didn't want to pay them off and technically HR said they're not doing anything hugely wrong.

It just really struck a nerve with me as I was working 10+ hours overtime nearly every week and there were people in my department who clearly couldn't give a toss as they thought it was an easy life with good pay without having to do very little. So if there is less of that all the better because it's one type of staff I really hated and had to put so many hours extra a month in to keep things ticking over.

Sadly the new breed of these kind of people has cropped up with the recession, people without skills, who are lazy but have languages, and the companies will seem to care very little about this, if you can do a few languages as it saves them on the cost base. The trouble being that most of the jobs around Ireland are based heavily on multinationals, and the fact is they can cross skill the other people who are speaking lanaguages other than English to do English too, driving down costs and staff numbers.

shoegirl

herya wrote: »

Mayne they can fund a language course for you then?

There is no way an entry level language course would prepare this guy for a career in IT support using a foreign language. Even 5 or 6 years ago near native ability was a must.

I can confirm that where I work, one by one, all the jobs are gradually moving to offshore cheap locations on about 1/3 of the salary.

I would certainly recommend doing a CCNA and CCNP or one of the more advanced certs if possible. It might get you an interview instead of being filtered out at the first round with the trogs who think their amazing personality and special charm takes precedence over qualifications and work ethics. :rolleyes:

shoegirl

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

It depends on how you define free for all, from having worked at supervisory level and having assisted management with a number of things in my last role, there were certainly people in our department who should not have been there, thats for sure, they thought as they had the basics thats all they need and didn't want to learn, or improve themselves or show any kind of effort.

Several of the team would sit there doing nothing all day apart from watching youtube and rushing people off the phone and not wanting to help with no care in the world. They should not have been employed in the first place but most of these people were there prior to my arrival and were almost impossible for us to shift no matter how much I knew they were unsuited because the company didn't want to pay them off and technically HR said they're not doing anything hugely wrong.

It just really struck a nerve with me as I was working 10+ hours overtime nearly every week and there were people in my department who clearly couldn't give a toss as they thought it was an easy life with good pay without having to do very little. So if there is less of that all the better because it's one type of staff I really hated and had to put so many hours extra a month in to keep things ticking over.

Yes yes yes. I am on my only break today after working flat out from 10.30 until about 10 minutes ago without a break or lunch while my colleague here who comes to work every day stinking with BO browses Facebook. IT is full of people who got in maybe 10 years ago with few or no qualifications and were mis-promoted into more senior roles where they learned to talk the talk. Trouble is they've bled the business dry. They just don't want to bother their arses working, or in some cases even working the hours they are contracted to. These are people earning 40k a year and more and quite frankly I wouldn't pay the minimum wages for work of such awful quality.

MysticalRain

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

It depends on how you define free for all, from having worked at supervisory level and having assisted management with a number of things in my last role, there were certainly people in our department who should not have been there, thats for sure, they thought as they had the basics thats all they need and didn't want to learn, or improve themselves or show any kind of effort.

Several of the team would sit there doing nothing all day apart from watching youtube and rushing people off the phone and not wanting to help with no care in the world. They should not have been employed in the first place but most of these people were there prior to my arrival and were almost impossible for us to shift no matter how much I knew they were unsuited because the company didn't want to pay them off and technically HR said they're not doing anything hugely wrong.

It just really struck a nerve with me as I was working 10+ hours overtime nearly every week and there were people in my department who clearly couldn't give a toss as they thought it was an easy life with good pay without having to do very little. So if there is less of that all the better because it's one type of staff I really hated and had to put so many hours extra a month in to keep things ticking over.

Sadly the new breed of these kind of people has cropped up with the recession, people without skills, who are lazy but have languages, and the companies will seem to care very little about this, if you can do a few languages as it saves them on the cost base. The trouble being that most of the jobs around Ireland are based heavily on multinationals, and the fact is they can cross skill the other people who are speaking lanaguages other than English to do English too, driving down costs and staff numbers.

I was referring to applying for jobs rather than what happens after you get the role.

That attitude does piss me off as well, especially when jobs are so hard to come by. I was faced with a similar situation when I was working abroad a few years ago. One guy in our 3 person team basically spent half his day lounging about on the Internet doing sweet FA. This despite the fact that the work was piling up to insane levels and myself and the other guy were having to work extra hours to pick up the slack. In the end, I logged his Internet usage for several weeks, dumped the data into a spreadsheet and confronted my boss with it. The boss couldn't fire the guy, but after much verbal kicking and prodding, we finally managed to get him to do a full day's work, more or less.

J_Dublin15

shoegirl wrote: »

Yes yes yes. I am on my only break today after working flat out from 10.30 until about 10 minutes ago without a break or lunch while my colleague here who comes to work every day stinking with BO browses Facebook. IT is full of people who got in maybe 10 years ago with few or no qualifications and were mis-promoted into more senior roles where they learned to talk the talk. Trouble is they've bled the business dry. They just don't want to bother their arses working, or in some cases even working the hours they are contracted to. These are people earning 40k a year and more and quite frankly I wouldn't pay the minimum wages for work of such awful quality.

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was pretty much the same myself, I generally didn't take breaks at all in the last 12 months. I took lunch but this could be for half an hour from anytime from 1pm to 3pm depending on what was going on. I rarely ate actually in the office, I normally went in the care across the road, or the shop, simply to get a break from the office. I had many people who took so many cigarette breaks and left work early or turned up late nearly every day, and it was really frustrating being the only one who was aware of the mess that was going on around them and trying to hold everything together, the number of things that I did which were way outside my job remit was crazy, but if I wasn't going to do it nobody else was sure as hell going to.

MysticalRain wrote: »

That attitude does piss me off as well, especially when jobs are so hard to come by. I was faced with a similar situation when I was working abroad a few years ago. One guy in our 3 person team basically spent half his day lounging about on the Internet doing sweet FA. This despite the fact that the work was piling up to insane levels and myself and the other guy were having to work extra hours to pick up the slack. In the end, I logged his Internet usage for several weeks, dumped the data into a spreadsheet and confronted my boss with it. The boss couldn't fire the guy, but after much verbal kicking and prodding, we finally managed to get him to do a full day's work, more or less.

Trust me. I know all about this, there was one guy who would spend all day watching comedies on youtube practically all day and then a few of the guys starting playing online games against each other rather than doing the work, I saw the ticket queues growing to ridicolous levels and we had to bring them all into a room and give them a good kicking, where they blamed everyone but themselves. Whilst they were in the meeting I got IT to remotely connect to their machines and edit their machine config to get the games websites to redirect to the companys home page, they came in the next day, logged in and you should have seen their faces! Priceless! The ironic thing is a few days later one of the guys handed in his resignation as he was made to do hard days work rather than spending all day playing a game! I have no problem with people browsing the net occasionally as long as it does not effect their work, but with these guys they spent longer browsing the web than working.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has often felt that if they didn't put all the extra hours into work then things would totally fall apart, but then it angers me to see these people in jobs elsewhere whilst us hard workers are still out of a job.

ntlbell

shoegirl wrote: »

Yes yes yes. I am on my only break today after working flat out from 10.30 until about 10 minutes ago without a break or lunch while my colleague here who comes to work every day stinking with BO browses Facebook. IT is full of people who got in maybe 10 years ago with few or no qualifications and were mis-promoted into more senior roles where they learned to talk the talk. Trouble is they've bled the business dry. They just don't want to bother their arses working, or in some cases even working the hours they are contracted to. These are people earning 40k a year and more and quite frankly I wouldn't pay the minimum wages for work of such awful quality.

This is not restricted to IT tho, you find these people in all walks of life and all professions.

ntlbell

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was pretty much the same myself, I generally didn't take breaks at all in the last 12 months. I took lunch but this could be for half an hour from anytime from 1pm to 3pm depending on what was going on. I rarely ate actually in the office, I normally went in the care across the road, or the shop, simply to get a break from the office. I had many people who took so many cigarette breaks and left work early or turned up late nearly every day, and it was really frustrating being the only one who was aware of the mess that was going on around them and trying to hold everything together, the number of things that I did which were way outside my job remit was crazy, but if I wasn't going to do it nobody else was sure as hell going to.

This just makes me think you're not very good at your jobs and can't do it within the time given.

most people want to go to work start on time and go home on time, if you want to put in all the hours but imho life is just far too short.

Yes there's a few slackers and you will find these everywhere, but the majority are just absolutely average and whining that you do this and you do that is just ridiculous.

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

Trust me. I know all about this, there was one guy who would spend all day watching comedies on youtube practically all day and then a few of the guys starting playing online games against each other rather than doing the work, I saw the ticket queues growing to ridicolous levels and we had to bring them all into a room and give them a good kicking, where they blamed everyone but themselves. Whilst they were in the meeting I got IT to remotely connect to their machines and edit their machine config to get the games websites to redirect to the companys home page, they came in the next day, logged in and you should have seen their faces! Priceless! The ironic thing is a few days later one of the guys handed in his resignation as he was made to do hard days work rather than spending all day playing a game! I have no problem with people browsing the net occasionally as long as it does not effect their work, but with these guys they spent longer browsing the web than working.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has often felt that if they didn't put all the extra hours into work then things would totally fall apart, but then it angers me to see these people in jobs elsewhere whilst us hard workers are still out of a job.

maybe you need to stop paying attention to what others are doing on concentrate on what you're doing.

sounds like you were getting shafted in your old job.

hope it paid well.

MysticalRain

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was pretty much the same myself, I generally didn't take breaks at all in the last 12 months. I took lunch but this could be for half an hour from anytime from 1pm to 3pm depending on what was going on. I rarely ate actually in the office, I normally went in the care across the road, or the shop, simply to get a break from the office. I had many people who took so many cigarette breaks and left work early or turned up late nearly every day, and it was really frustrating being the only one who was aware of the mess that was going on around them and trying to hold everything together, the number of things that I did which were way outside my job remit was crazy, but if I wasn't going to do it nobody else was sure as hell going to.



Trust me. I know all about this, there was one guy who would spend all day watching comedies on youtube practically all day and then a few of the guys starting playing online games against each other rather than doing the work, I saw the ticket queues growing to ridicolous levels and we had to bring them all into a room and give them a good kicking, where they blamed everyone but themselves. Whilst they were in the meeting I got IT to remotely connect to their machines and edit their machine config to get the games websites to redirect to the companys home page, they came in the next day, logged in and you should have seen their faces! Priceless! The ironic thing is a few days later one of the guys handed in his resignation as he was made to do hard days work rather than spending all day playing a game! I have no problem with people browsing the net occasionally as long as it does not effect their work, but with these guys they spent longer browsing the web than working.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has often felt that if they didn't put all the extra hours into work then things would totally fall apart, but then it angers me to see these people in jobs elsewhere whilst us hard workers are still out of a job.

Part of it is the employers fault. There is no real justification for allowing access to non-work-related websites like Facebook, Bebo, YouTube etc. If someone does have a genuine reason to log onto those websites, then they should contact the IT department on an individual basis to obtain access.

GoneShootin

@ntbell I'm with you on your point you're trying to make, but attacking the poster is the wrong way to do it. Reduce the flame!

J_Dublin15

ntlbell wrote: »

This just makes me think you're not very good at your jobs and can't do it within the time given.

My job was not as simple as that, the fact was in the last year or so senior management with absloutely no understanding of the industry, the Irish market or how our products work were appointed. My work wasn't a fixed work for set days as per se, it was a constantly changing marketplace I was supporting and every week had different challenges, there was no typical day as per se like there are in some other roles.

It was not helped by the fact management continued to cut staff and not understand how various sytems work, and would frequently turn around and say such a task would take five minutes, when it is not as simple as that because there are several factors that need to be taken into consideration. Sometimes if management say something needs to be done it's not as simple as say do it, if it is sure I'd do it, but this is the problem you have with managers who don't understand the systems, the history and the limitations of systems that we had is they expect everything to be done there and then.

The reason I was unfortunately having to worry about what others were doing is that when a customer got pissed off enough with these peoples lack of action, a lot of escalations would end up at the top of the tree for escalations - IE ME. Who spent too much time on the phone solving simple issues which with a bit of effort and usage of common sense people could have sorted out themselves but instead they are too busy trying to get people off the phone so they can continue their game on Yahoo pool with an agent in billing.

I shouldn't have to worry about what other departments such as marketing do either, but when they advertise one thing about one of our products which is completely incorrect and inaccurate and then we get overwhelmed by calls from angry customers saying why are we claiming things on our website which isn't true, then sadly I have to get involved else the productivity will go through the floor whilst we clear up other peoples mess.

J_Dublin15

MysticalRain wrote: »

Part of it is the employers fault. There is no real justification for allowing access to non-work-related websites like Facebook, Bebo, YouTube etc. If someone does have a genuine reason to log onto those websites, then they should contact the IT department on an individual basis to obtain access.

Oh I can totally see where this comes from - I myself am somewhat of that view right now. But at the same time I don't like working environments to become like a prison, I don't think thats helpful for morale as it makes the place a little more depressing.

I have no problem with people using the web if they are up to date on their work, it doesn't bother me on the slightest, but when someone's on the phone call with a customer for example as my agents were, and they're more interested in their next shot in an online game that takes it too far. For that reason I'd like to see gaming, youtube and facebook gone but not the web as a whole.

joegtg

Have you tried any of the IT agencies? While they may not be able to get you a job they would be able to give you feedback on your CV and the likelyhood of finding employment. You could also enquire about ways to improve your chances e.g. i know CCNA was mentioned earlier but if you ask an agency they might have more call for other certifications that you had n't considered. Also I would consider any contacts that you made while in employment. Not just from the companies you worked for but people from other companies you had dealings with. I have found that contacts can make a huge difference in IT. Having interviewed people for IT positions in the past I can say personality/compatibility are as important as technical skills when making a decision on who to employ. The way you talk about other departments at your previous job and other IT workers makes you seem a little alienated and would n't IMHO come across well in an interview. Good luck.

CorkFenian

Its not just IT..Jobs are scarce across the board...Before current role..Worked on a 3rd level helpdesk with german speakers.....Some of them there because of their language skills....Languages wont cut it and is impossible for Irish IT workers..There are tons of companies who will require IT staff within next 12 months or so for project work etc...(Thats what i hope but it all depends on wider economy)...It will just be further up the skills ladder...Just like after dot com, there will be a load who will leave due to lack of interest etc or just not good at what they do...I was unemployed for a while this year...My one advice to anyone in OPs boat is to get more certifications...Not test king it but set up a lab etc...When you're back working its a lot easier to say how "easy it would have been to do them etc"...I would recommend sharepoint and CCENT,CCNA...And try and know them as well as u can...nothing beats working with it obviously...But plenty of exercise, clear head and study..I found it very hard to keep it going longer than 2-3 weeks at a time...So I know its tough work to keep it together...best of luck OP..

I must add that I didnt do one exam while I was off..I thought at the time that I had to work know it and test know it...I got it wrong...Its all about certs whether we know it or not is down to ourselves..

J_Dublin15

joegtg wrote: »

Have you tried any of the IT agencies? While they may not be able to get you a job they would be able to give you feedback on your CV and the likelyhood of finding employment. You could also enquire about ways to improve your chances e.g. i know CCNA was mentioned earlier but if you ask an agency they might have more call for other certifications that you had n't considered. Also I would consider any contacts that you made while in employment. Not just from the companies you worked for but people from other companies you had dealings with. I have found that contacts can make a huge difference in IT. Having interviewed people for IT positions in the past I can say personality/compatibility are as important as technical skills when making a decision on who to employ. The way you talk about other departments at your previous job and other IT workers makes you seem a little alienated and would n't IMHO come across well in an interview. Good luck.

I have tried a few but haven't had too much luck. Most of them said they are primarily recruiting multi-lingual canidates right now, and that they think I have a good CV and if I had another language that would really put me in a great position for many jobs. Other than that they did suggest CCNA.

I have a few contacts from my jobs, and the only roles I've got through these are those in Tallaght which is way too far out for me, and ones once again for Multi-lingual, there is another one which is slightly poorly paid, but I'm contractually not allowed to work for them for a period of 12 months after leaving my last job, and my last employers have made no secret that they will enforce it.

I did actually get on pretty well with most departments and had a good relationship with the previous MD of the company, before he got pushed out, whilst publicly you see me moaning about the departments, I had a very good working relationship with them as if I spotted any issues I pointed them out, and discussed them with them so we could get them resolved - I'm not the kind of person who sits back and watches other departments make mistakes which I know full well is going to mean sooner or later there is going to be a great big mess that is going to need clearing up by our department when I can nip things in the bud before they seriously cause problems for the business.

My main point being, my number one priority is making my department work as efficently as it possibly can and doing all I can do ensure that. Sometimes that involves putting points across that people don't like to hear, in a tactful way, but are in the long term interests of preventing a much bigger mess later on. I'm passionate about my work and actually care not just about doing my job, but also doing it well and serving the people I'm paid to well. Luckily until the end of my time in my last job I had fantastic management who really appreciated this and was the reason I got promoted several times, but some people simply don't like being told when they are wrong, when they obviously are.

MysticalRain

I have a few contacts from my jobs, and the only roles I've got through these are those in Tallaght which is way too far out for me, and ones once again for Multi-lingual, there is another one which is slightly poorly paid, but I'm contractually not allowed to work for them for a period of 12 months after leaving my last job, and my last employers have made no secret that they will enforce it.

Let me get this straight. Your last employer laid you off, and on top of that they are legally preventing you from obtaining work elsewhere.

What's this country coming to?

trad

Have a look at this crowd
http://www.pocketkingscareers.ie/Careers/IT

Always seem to be looking for staff, seem to be a good employer and onlne gambling is on the up.

no connection to them or the IT industry, just came across it in a trawl.

Stheno

MysticalRain wrote: »

Let me get this straight. Your last employer laid you off, and on top of that they are legally preventing you from obtaining work elsewhere.

What's this country coming to?

That's not unusual in cases where staff are outsourced to another company or working on outsourced contracts, there will be a standard clause stating that staff from the service provider cannot be employed by the service providee.

It can also be found in cases where one company is being subcontracted by another to provide a service to a third company.

I had to have this checked in one instance where I was being interviewed by a client of the consultancy practice I was in by the company interviewing me.

It's primarily put into contracts to prevent poaching.


Op out of curiousity how far is Tallaght from where you live?

J_Dublin15

MysticalRain wrote: »

Let me get this straight. Your last employer laid you off, and on top of that they are legally preventing you from obtaining work elsewhere.

What's this country coming to?

Sadly yes, the worst of all is that pretty much every employee had this, it was actually worse for me as everyone was on 1-3 year fixed term contracts which were renewed a few months before expiry, turns out mine happened to be out just after they were planning on making lots of people redundant, so instead of making me redundant at the same time like the rest, they figured it would be cheaper to keep me and another who was up a few weeks before working until contract expiry then on the day let me go. The rest got redundancy. They agreed to waive the clause for anyone who was not in a senior position if they got laid off or not renewed.

trad wrote: »

Have a look at this crowd
http://www.pocketkingscareers.ie/Careers/IT

Always seem to be looking for staff, seem to be a good employer and onlne gambling is on the up.

no connection to them or the IT industry, just came across it in a trawl.

Can't say I'm a huge poker fan or player myself, I guess I am missing out on something though as everybody seems to be involved in it these days and if I was into this it might help!

nouggatti wrote: »

That's not unusual in cases where staff are outsourced to another company or working on outsourced contracts, there will be a standard clause stating that staff from the service provider cannot be employed by the service providee.

I was never a contractor, always worked directly for the company, but as it was a relatively new startup within the last five years and there was a lot of specially designed and patented systems we were using, I figured they were keen on ensuring the knowledge of these systems and the way they worked did not get out to the competition.

Op out of curiousity how far is Tallaght from where you live?

Without giving too much away I'm right in the far north end of Dublin 15, go pretty much any further North and your in County Dublin. I can make South Dublin easy, just Tallaght is too far out and too long a day for me to get to.