Found a bullet on the street

CaptainSkidmark

This exact one. Just wondering what type of gun it is used in? I have no idea of fire arms so excuse my lack of knowledge.

It was found on the main street in tubbercurry.

Mech1

I assume you have handed it in to the gardai already?
If you haven't, have you got a licence to have it in your possession?

endasmail

exactly what it says on the box
a .223 rem
its a rifle bullet
best to hand it in to the garda

CaptainSkidmark

it looks very powerful if im honest. what in gods name would one be shooting with one of those?

It wasn't me!

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

it looks very powerful if im honest. what in gods name would one be shooting with one of those?

Foxes, mostly. It's actually fairly low on the scale of rifle rounds in terms of energy.

IRLConor

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

it looks very powerful if im honest. what in gods name would one be shooting with one of those?

Foxes or targets usually.

In terms of power, it has a muzzle energy approximately similar to many shotguns. Muzzle energies for rifles in Ireland run from ~7 Joules (air rifle for target shooting) to ~6000 Joules (the more "exotic" hunting or long range target shooting rounds). A .223 like the one you found comes in around the 1300 Joule mark.

They're all lethal if misused, so from a safety point of view there isn't much difference between most of them.

Mike...

Mech1 wrote: »

I assume you have handed it in to the gardai already?
If you haven't, have you got a licence to have it in your possession?

No need to be ignorant to him,would be better if you just advised him of what happens if he is found with it in his possession.

Mech1

So asking 2 simple questions is ignorant now?

deeksofdoom

Mech1 wrote: »

So asking 2 simple questions is ignorant now?

Thats 3 ignorant questions now!

johngalway

I'm surprised at people saying foxes get shot with that ammo. It's full metal jacket. To me that says target shooting practice round. I wouldn't shoot a fox with anything besides ballistic tip or hollow point, more humane than FMJ.

Vegeta

johngalway wrote: »

I'm surprised at people saying foxes get shot with that ammo. It's full metal jacket. To me that says target shooting practice round. I wouldn't shoot a fox with anything besides ballistic tip or hollow point, more humane than FMJ.

I agree with John I'd only ever use ballistic tips or hollow points on foxes but I think the lads were more talking about the calibre and its uses as opposed to the round itself but definitely worth pointing out. Good catch


And as others have suggested I'd hand it in to the Garda Station if I were you. Is it a live round?

ayapatrick

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

It was found on the main street in tubbercurry.

in co sligo?

fat-tony

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

This exact one. Just wondering what type of gun it is used in? I have no idea of fire arms so excuse my lack of knowledge.

It was found on the main street in tubbercurry.

Do you mean you found this picture in the street? If that's the case, then it's not an offense to have it in your possession.:)
If you found a "bullet" and you have no knowledge of firearms, how did you match it up to this particular picture? Can you post a photo of the actual thing you found?

It wasn't me!

Check headstamp and google for it? If it's a live round, then best hand it into the police.

fat-tony

Perhaps just a wind-up. I deleted my post.

ayapatrick

IRLConor

Lads, can ye give him the benefit of the doubt please? No more speculating on whether or not the OP is genuine.

IRLConor

johngalway wrote: »

I'm surprised at people saying foxes get shot with that ammo. It's full metal jacket. To me that says target shooting practice round. I wouldn't shoot a fox with anything besides ballistic tip or hollow point, more humane than FMJ.

Thanks for spotting that John!

I was answering based on the calibre rather than the exact type of round, as Vegeta suggested.


CaptainSkidmark: Out of curiosity, when did you find it?

johngalway

Apologies for the misunderstanding there Conor

fat-tony

The OP posted a photo of an advert for FMJ rounds. If that's an exact representation of what they found in the street, then it's a target round - not really suitable for hunting. But I would still prefer if the OP posted a photo of what they actually found - not an advert from the interweb or magazine or whatever:)

marlin vs

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

This exact one. Just wondering what type of gun it is used in? I have no idea of fire arms so excuse my lack of knowledge.

It was found on the main street in tubbercurry.

This was the first post.

Sparks

This exact one. Just wondering what type of gun it is used in? I have no idea of fire arms so excuse my lack of knowledge.

Yes, it was...

deeksofdoom

marlin vs wrote: »

This was the first post.

This has turned into an anorak type, bullet spotting, I don't use FMJ's on foxes, nit picking, bitch fighting, off the rails type thread.

For the love and honour of all thats holy, give it up!

To answer the original question, if you found a bullet on the street........ well you shouldn't have it, it probably fell out of someones pocket. If you have no use for it throw it in the river and forget about it.

Let Time Team find it in a few years time and they can get their ballistics expert to examine it and they'll be able to say that its a .223 its Russian made Wolf, its muzzle enegy is around the 1300 Joule mark and its used mainly for target shooting coz its a metal jacket.

Sparks

Hey deeks, while the chuck-it-in-the-river advice isn't bad, how about you don't go telling folks to shut up like that?

deeksofdoom

Sparks wrote: »

Hey deeks, while the chuck-it-in-the-river advice isn't bad, how about you don't go telling folks to shut up like that?

Now edited, so as not to cause offence.

Rovi

With all due respect to the OP, they DO state:

CaptainSkidmark wrote:

I have no idea of fire arms so excuse my lack of knowledge.

..so, when they also say:

CaptainSkidmark wrote:

This exact one.

...I strongly suspect that they are referring to the text ".223 Rem" stamped into the case head of the round of ammunition they found, rather than meaning that what they found was a 62 grain, full metal jacket, steel case, Wolf brand cartridge.
Again, I strongly suspect that the OP did an image search for ".223 Rem" and turned up the image posted.


CaptainSkidmark: my apologies if all the above is incorrect.
As a matter of interest, is there anything else stamped in the case head, and does the bullet have a plastic tip, a hollow point, or perhaps even a tip made of a different metal to the rest of the bullet?
Any chance of a photo?

As others have already said, the .223 Rem is a very popular and common calibre, and by far the most likely explanation is that a hunter or target shooter lost the particular cartridge you found; a bit of carelessness that doesn't endear them to the rest of the shooting community, but not the end of the world in the great scheme of things.
There is, however, a remote possibility that this particular cartridge may have originated from some other source or may have ended up on the street in Tubbercurry as a result of something untoward or criminal, so the right thing to do is to hand it in to the Gardai and let them deal with it from there.

Hezz700

Levelheadedness prevails.

deerhunter1

Mech1 wrote: »

I assume you have handed it in to the gardai already?
If you haven't, have you got a licence to have it in your possession?

If it is a bullet he does not need a licence,if it is a round he does

Sparks

deerhunter1 wrote: »

If it is a bullet he does not need a licence,if it is a round he does

Hmmm. From the Firearms Act, Section 1:

“ammunition” ... means ammunition for a firearm and includes—
...
(b) any ingredient or component part of any such ammunition or missile
...

But then, against that, it was tried to prosecute someone for having spent cases of ammunition a few years ago and was thrown out of the District Court. But if you had a box of brand new bullets, it might be a different story...

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

Hmmm. From the Firearms Act, Section 1:

But then, against that, it was tried to prosecute someone for having spent cases of ammunition a few years ago and was thrown out of the District Court. But if you had a box of brand new bullets, it might be a different story...

Correct-but he said he found a bullet which is not illegal to have without a licence

Micky Dolenz

No idea whats going on so please humour me.

Whats the differance between bullet and round?
and

What does metal jacket, hollow top mean?

thanks

Sparks

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Correct-but he said he found a bullet which is not illegal to have without a licence

And you're saying a bullet is not a component part of a round?

Vegeta

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Correct-but he said he found a bullet which is not illegal to have without a licence

Did you not read the bit of legislation Sparks posted?

Sparks

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

No idea whats going on so please humour me.
Whats the differance between bullet and round?

The round is the thing you load into the gun. The bullet is the little hard thing that goes flying out of the end of the barrel (and hopefully towards the target) when you pull the trigger.



The full assembly is a round.

What does metal jacket, hollow top mean?

The bullet fired can be of many different types, and it's not always just a lump of lead. Metal Jacket bullets have a harder shell than the core metal. Full Metal Jacket bullets like the one in the photo in the original post will hold their shape better when fired and on impact and will feed more reliably and won't leave lead deposits in the barrel so readily and so forth; hollow point bullets have a small hollow at the front end that mean that when the bullet hits the target, it deforms more readily, thus transferring kinetic energy into the target more efficiently (which enables a more humane kill when shooting deer or other animals). You can (and often do) have Jacketed Hollow Point, where the two features are combined.

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

The round is the thing you load into the gun. The bullet is the little hard thing that goes flying out of the end of the barrel (and hopefully towards the target) when you pull the trigger.



The full assembly is a round.


The bullet fired can be of many different types, and it's not always just a lump of lead. Metal Jacket bullets have a harder shell than the core metal. Full Metal Jacket bullets like the one in the photo in the original post will hold their shape better when fired and on impact and will feed more reliably and won't leave lead deposits in the barrel so readily and so forth; hollow point bullets have a small hollow at the front end that mean that when the bullet hits the target, it deforms more readily, thus transferring kinetic energy into the target more efficiently (which enables a more humane kill when shooting deer or other animals). You can (and often do) have Jacketed Hollow Point, where the two features are combined.

Thank you for that

rrpc

So just remember that if you're shot, you can also be arrested for possession of ammunition.

Sparks

Yup.
Of course, if you're caught with, say, an M4 hex bolt in your pocket, you could be done for possession of an unlicenced firearm as well since that's a component part of a lot of firearms

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

Yup.
Of course, if you're caught with, say, an M4 hex bolt in your pocket, you could be done for possession of an unlicenced firearm as well since that's a component part of a lot of firearms

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Sparks

Well yeah deerhunter. I mean you've got the M4 hex bolt. Now all you need is another one of them, an action, a trigger, a barrel and a stock and you'd have yourself a firearm!

Hagar

Giving it to the Gardaí seems the thing to do but if there is only one lad locally with a licence for that ammo you could be hanging him for carelessly loosing the ammo. At the risk of an outcry just dispose of it discretely and safely.

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

Well yeah deerhunter. I mean you've got the M4 hex bolt. Now all you need is another one of them, an action, a trigger, a barrel and a stock and you'd have yourself a firearm!

and dont forget the BULLETS!

johngalway

deerhunter1 wrote: »

and dont forget the BULLETS!

And the case, primer, and powder :P

Mr Flibble

rrpc wrote: »

So just remember that if you're shot, you can also be arrested for possession of ammunition.

Not necessarily. If it was a "Full Metal Jacket" it would likely go all the way through & you'd be o.k. (as far as being arrested is concerned at any rate).

The moral is be careful what kind of bullets you get shot with.

deerhunter1

Mr Flibble wrote: »

Not necessarily. If it was a "Full Metal Jacket" it would likely go all the way through & you'd be o.k. (as far as being arrested is concerned at any rate).

The moral is be careful what kind of bullets you get shot with.

Correct and right,and if your shot you would be hit with a bullet not a round so you could not be prosecuted for POSESSION

Sparks

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Correct and right,and if your shot you would be hit with a bullet not a round so you could not be prosecuted for POSESSION

No, you can be charged with possession if you only have a bit of a round. Like say, a bullet.

BTW Flibble, if you get shot with a FMJ, can you be done for littering as well as possession? After all, you had possession of the round. The fact that it was only for 0.04 of a second is neither here nor there And then you went and discarded it as though someone else was cleaning up after you your whole life...

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

No, you can be charged with possession if you only have a bit of a round. Like say, a bullet.

BTW Flibble, if you get shot with a FMJ, can you be done for littering as well as possession? After all, you had possession of the round. The fact that it was only for 0.04 of a second is neither here nor there And then you went and discarded it as though someone else was cleaning up after you your whole life...

No such thing as a bit of a round?

Sparks

Course there are bits of rounds. Otherwise, how would you make a round? They're not quarks y'know.

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

Course there are bits of rounds. Otherwise, how would you make a round? They're not quarks y'know.

A little knowledge is dangerous, I think you should go back to a sling shot.:P

rrpc

Ah lads, 4 pages? :eek:

If the OP was a troll, well then his work here is done, and done well

cavan shooter

The lad that lost that bullet should get into serious trouble it was careless.................there expensive and there is a recession on ye know:D

Jonty

cavan shooter wrote: »

The lad that lost that bullet should get into serious trouble it was careless.................there expensive and there is a recession on ye know:D

Typical Cavan response.:D