Dublin manager for the chop??

mark renton

:mad: An absolute disgrace - did the manager miss the team talk

Loada_Bo11ocks

<snip>...Its not the managers fault, the players arent good enough simple as..Kerry are outclassing them.

Daysha

^^^ Apt username.

mark renton

Is it not the managers job to step in at 5-10 mins gone and alter tactics ?

mark renton

Loada_Bo11ocks wrote: »

<snip>...Its not the managers fault, the players arent good enough simple as..Kerry are outclassing them.

Brave man on a public forum calling childish names - on the street you would nt open your big mouth

ragg

Very hit and miss this year. he'll get another year, whether that's a good thing, time will tell

Loada_Bo11ocks

john47832 wrote: »

Is it not the managers job to step in at 5-10 mins gone and alter tactics ?

Tactics my chocolate arse, Kerry have much better players and Dublins defence and kicking is all over the place..

ragg

john47832 wrote: »

Brave man on a public forum calling childish names - on the street you would nt open your big mouth

LOL- Grow up

cruiserweight

Loada_Bo11ocks wrote: »

<snip>...Its not the managers fault, the players arent good enough simple as..Kerry are outclassing them.

Loada_Bo11ocks wrote: »

Tactics my chocolate arse, Kerry have much better players and Dublins defence and kicking is all over the place..

Banned

john47832 wrote: »

Brave man on a public forum calling childish names - on the street you would nt open your big mouth

OP, do not react to a poster like that, if you have a problem report the post or you will not last long around here

mark renton

Sorry dude - I was provoked

Orizio

Nothing he could have done about it. The Dublin players are inferior in skill, condition and most importanty, attitude.

DARK-KNIGHT

Orizio i agree with you 100 percent its the team that the problems lie deep within not the manager!

Pal

He should resign.
that was a disgrace.

mark renton

Attitude to me was the difference, where is attitude inherited from? The manager -

my point about this is that in the first 15 mins there seemed to be an attitude of go for goals - now either the manager stood on the sideline and instructed to take points and wasnt listened to, or didnt give direction at a crucial time

Yellowblackbird

Orizio wrote: »

Nothing he could have done about it. The Dublin players are inferior in skill, condition and most importanty, attitude.

They're not 20 points inferior to kerry. Which would make them 20 points inferior to longford as well.

They looked over trained. Beaten in every position of the pitch. Beaten in every 50/50 ball. Looked flat, no running, no work rate.

I think Kerry when playing to that level are obviously better than Dublin, but I think that strange that Dublin could play so far below par, their normal level of performance and energy.

I think its strange that this has happened two years in a row and is it the same guy preparing and training them from DCU.

flahavaj

john47832 wrote: »

Attitude to me was the difference, where is attitude inherited from? The manager -

my point about this is that in the first 15 mins there seemed to be an attitude of go for goals - now either the manager stood on the sideline and instructed to take points and wasnt listened to, or didnt give direction at a crucial time

In fairness no manager can influence a decision a player makes in the heat of the moment like going for a goal rather tan apoint. A manager can only do so much, these Dublin players are simply not up to the standard required to win All Irelands. The y were hammered just as badly the year before. The manager may be made the scapegoat, but his successor will do no better.

TheSpecialOne

ridiculous thread....more like sack the team

themandan6611

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

ridiculous thread....more like sack the team

agree, a complete overhaul required. too many fannys on the team, connolly, keeney, bastick magee, mcconnell, g brennan. are they the best in Dublin ? if so god help us. keeney should go back to the small ball. Gilroy needs to get people like cian osullivan reg time and stop playing mediocre st vincents players.

why o why did we not beg micko to manage us ????

mark renton

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

ridiculous thread....more like sack the team

ridiculous post - would you care to elaborate on how this would be possible or helpful?

Orizio

john47832 wrote: »

ridiculous post - would you care to elaborate on how this would be possible or helpful?

Maybe they just start anew and do trials at the start of next season?

Het-Field

For next year, I would like to see something along the lines of

---

Cluxton

---

Henry

---

O Sullivan

---

O Carroll

Nolan

---

Griffin

---

Cahill

---

Fennell

---

Ryan

---

Rock

---

B.Brogan

---

Cullen

A.Brogan

---

Davoren

---

Vaughan

Its time to cut our losses with many of the players who were there today. Conal Keaney is a spent force at full forward, which leads me the question to decision to put him back in there. Cullen has always been more comfortable as a forward, and has the scoring touch when he is allowed.

Connolly has played one decent championship game in his life (Wexford July 2009), otherwise he has not turned up. He is a liability, who has been a negative since entering the panel two years ago. He is selfish and wayward in his shooting. Get rid of him asap !

McConnell is another of the class of 2007 who is being relied on without good reason. Like Caffery, Gilroy appears to have an unwavering belief that this chap is of intercounty standard. The reality is, he isnt. There is better options available around the club scene.

The Bastick experiment was exposed as highly flawed. I have had a dirty feeling that it was on the way, and it arrived within 34 seconds today. Whatever about considering his psoition in the forwards, the man is another liability in the backs. The way must be cleared to develop Cian O Sullivan it that position.

The Flynn and Andrews axis remains something im critical of. They appeared to be developing, however, today will have stunted that somewhat.
Sherlock and Whelan are finished. They have been servants to Dublin football, however, the time has come to hang up the boots. Relying on them is preventing progress amongst Dublin football. The same goes for the appearences of Lally, Bonner, Quinn, O Shaughnessy, Casey and Darren McGee around the panel, and in McGee's case, the team.

Gilroy's postion remain tenable. However, he now has some serious thinking to do. Like Lyons in 2002, he needs to say enough is enough, and drop the players who Dublin have misplaced their trust in for so long. In changing the team that year, Dublin football enjoyed a new lease of life, as the remanants of the AI Winning team of 1995 (Gavin, Sherlock, Farrell, and Curren) all remained on the bench. The spine of this team is reminiscent of the Dublin teams which enjoyed relative siuccess in 2005, 2006, 2007. However, it is 2009 now, and the team has still not evolved.

There is no way Kerry are 17 points ahead of the Dubs. In April, as Kerry were bounding towards the NFL Title, Dublin drew with them, and bottled a five point lead in the process. Neither are Tyrone 14 points ahead of Dublin. However, on the field of play, that is where these results have been borne out.

corny

While it is premature to be asking for anyones head Gilroy panicked. He's not blameless. Granted he can't make the tackles himself but pulling 14 men behind the ball after 10 minutes or so with no clear plan of action invited Kerry to take advantage and they did. Whelan for Magee when McConnell is an absolute liability at centre field was another baffling decision early on.

Orizio

Not really sure you would get away with Griffin at center back - he isn't really imposing or that great in the air. Its the area of the pitch you most need an exceptional player and leader, and Griffin is neither. He is a corner back imo.

Also, man marking badly needs to be used.

flahavaj

john47832 wrote: »

ridiculous post - would you care to elaborate on how this would be possible or helpful?

I presume he was trying to say, albeit clumsily, that at what stage do the plyers become culpable and not the manager, who invariably takes the blame in these cases? The same panel of players was destroyed equally embarrassingly last year under a different manager after all. Indeed its the same bunch who have failed consistently the last 5 years once they've left the comfort zone of Leinster. They're simply not good enough.

themandan6611

Het-Field wrote: »

For next year, I would like to see something along the lines of

---

Cluxton

---

Henry

---

O Sullivan

---

O Carroll

Nolan

---

Griffin

---

Cahill

---

Fennell

---

Ryan

---

Rock

---

B.Brogan

---

Cullen

A.Brogan

---

Davoren

---

Vaughan

Its time to cut our losses with many of the players who were there today. Conal Keaney is a spent force at full forward, which leads me the question to decision to put him back in there. Cullen has always been more comfortable as a forward, and has the scoring touch when he is allowed.

Connolly has played one decent championship game in his life (Wexford July 2009), otherwise he has not turned up. He is a liability, who has been a negative since entering the panel two years ago. He is selfish and wayward in his shooting. Get rid of him asap !

McConnell is another of the class of 2007 who is being relied on without good reason. Like Caffery, Gilroy appears to have an unwavering belief that this chap is of intercounty standard. The reality is, he isnt. There is better options available around the club scene.

The Bastick experiment was exposed as highly flawed. I have had a dirty feeling that it was on the way, and it arrived within 34 seconds today. Whatever about considering his psoition in the forwards, the man is another liability in the backs. The way must be cleared to develop Cian O Sullivan it that position.

The Flynn and Andrews axis remains something im critical of. They appeared to be developing, however, today will have stunted that somewhat.
Sherlock and Whelan are finished. They have been servants to Dublin football, however, the time has come to hang up the boots. Relying on them is preventing progress amongst Dublin football. The same goes for the appearences of Lally, Bonner, Quinn, O Shaughnessy, Casey and Darren McGee around the panel, and in McGee's case, the team.

Gilroy's postion remain tenable. However, he now has some serious thinking to do. Like Lyons in 2002, he needs to say enough is enough, and drop the players who Dublin have misplaced their trust in for so long. In changing the team that year, Dublin football enjoyed a new lease of life, as the remanants of the AI Winning team of 1995 (Gavin, Sherlock, Farrell, and Curren) all remained on the bench. The spine of this team is reminiscent of the Dublin teams which enjoyed relative siuccess in 2005, 2006, 2007. However, it is 2009 now, and the team has still not evolved.

There is no way Kerry are 17 points ahead of the Dubs. In April, as Kerry were bounding towards the NFL Title, Dublin drew with them, and bottled a five point lead in the process. Neither are Tyrone 14 points ahead of Dublin. However, on the field of play, that is where these results have been borne out.

nice post and agree with all you say. We need to develop the likes of o'sullivan, davoren etc. What would we pay for Paddy Christie to be vorn 7 years later ??

Kinetic^

Orizio wrote: »

Nothing he could have done about it. The Dublin players are inferior in skill, condition and most importanty, attitude.

This.

Pal wrote: »

He should resign.
that was a disgrace.

The players should look at themselves tbh. They were awful. Lazy and waiting for the ball to come to them instead of showing for it. A sham.

Daroxtar

Kerry are indeed 17 points better than the dubs. What was the final score? Seventeen points in the difference methinks. And sligo are therefore 16 points better than the dubs.

Sligo are 16 points better than the dubs.
Sligo are 16 points better than the dubs.
Sligo are 16 points better than the dubs.
Sligo are 16 points better than the dubs.

hahahahhahaha, i love it. I think the dubs should keep the manager and apply to the central council to be moved into the connacht championship seeing as the galway hurlers went to leinster. It'd give london and new york a good chance of a victory. I'm off to collect a huge pile of money from some very muted dubs

Pal

My old man (RIP) used to say that all Kerry needed to beat The Dubs was to show up with a set of jerseys.

Too true.

33 years now and waiting.

this could run for a long time yet.

as for Pat Gilroy.
Nice guy but sorry Pat, you are responsible and it is you who must take the fall.
You alone are the manager, not the players and that wasn't acceptable.
The honourable thing is to go.

mark renton

Pal wrote: »

My old man (RIP) used to say that all Kerry needed to beat The Dubs was to show up with a set of jerseys.

Too true.

33 years now and waiting.

this could run for a long time yet.

as for Pat Gilroy.
Nice guy but sorry Pat, you are responsible and it is you who must take the fall.
You alone are the manager, not the players and that wasn't acceptable.
The honourable thing is to go.

Very true - Dublin were mentally beaten today, it is the managers job to have the team mentally prepared, and trainers job to have team physically prepared

plasmaguy

Dublin never got out of the traps.

The backdoor makes even average teams like Wicklow, Longford and Sligo look good.

Kerry had over 200 minutes championship football since Dublin last played.

That's priceless practice.

Training and friendlies are no substitute for competition.

flahavaj

plasmaguy wrote: »

Dublin never got out of the traps.

The backdoor makes even average teams like Wicklow, Longford and Sligo look good.

Kerry had over 200 minutes championship football since Dublin last played.

That's priceless practice.

Training and friendlies are no substitute for competition.

Teh lack of games since winning their provinces didn't do Cork and Tyrone anyharm yesterday, did it? You honestly think a lack of gametime explains the masive gulf betwen the teams today? Blaming the system is ridiculous, the cream will always rise to the top and the teams such as Dublin that are nowhere good enough will get found out sooner, rather than later, regardless of they system of the competition. Theres a separste thread on this exact subject btw.

Bren1609

I dont think the number of games has that much to do with it although it is an important factor. The fundamental problem is that Dublin has been selecting the same players for years, mostly coming from the same clubs.

spongeman

Dublin need a manager from outside Dublin. They have the players but not the direction.

Look at Wicklow and Kildare.

Spiritoftheseventies

just for a bit of perspective. In 1978 All Ireland final, Kerry defeated Dublin 5-11 to 0-9. Heffo stayed on and a year later they lost in final to Kerry on a 3-13 to 1-8, Heffo then guided Dublin to all Ireland success in 1983 with a mixture of experience (O Toole, Drumm and Mullins all came back for a final push, and with some young blood as well. Joe McNally was the find of the summer as most people remember).
What we need is injection of blood. Current team a bit stale. Take a chance on youth. Remember Michael Murphy, the Donegal full forward, just repeated his leaving cert.

grenache

Pal wrote: »

He should resign.
that was a disgrace.

What difference would it make? You would still be left with the same panel of players who aren't quite good enough. If the players cannot get themselves up for a quarter final against Kerry in front of 80,000 people then there's no point in scapegoating Pat Gilroy. Its no coincidence that both Tommy Lyons and Paul Caffrey had similar difficulties with largely the same group of players. The manager can only do so much, it is mainly down to the players to perform on the day. If the players are not good enough, you cannot expect the manager to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

brandon_flowers

plasmaguy wrote: »

Dublin never got out of the traps.

The backdoor makes even average teams like Wicklow, Longford and Sligo look good.

Kerry had over 200 minutes championship football since Dublin last played.

That's priceless practice.

Training and friendlies are no substitute for competition.

Kerry training was far more beneficial than the qualifiers in the last few weeks, they leathered seven shades of **** out of each other, including the management team.

spongeman

I thought Dublin would win. They had beaten a very good Kildare team, remember that.

However if you are not first to the ball you are shagged. I cannot believe the space Kerry had. Running the length of the pitch.

Dublin need to find players like Paul Galvin i.e. with a bit of hunger. Not players that think they are superstars in their own county.

Yesterday was very disappointing, and the fantastic Kerry performance aside, a bloody embarrassment.

eagle eye

I didn't like Pat Gilroy's post match comments yesterday. Saying your team froze is not the way to go, that is just a terrible comment to make. He should have said that they got caught cold early on and then praised Kerry for a wonderful performance and continued on to say that they won't get caught like that again. I wouldn't have him for one second more after he said they froze yesterday, that is a statement that could set Dublin football back a long, long way.

He is like others that have been there before, his team has peaked too early and paid the ultimate price for it.

spongeman

plasmaguy wrote: »

Dublin never got out of the traps.

The backdoor makes even average teams like Wicklow, Longford and Sligo look good.

Kerry had over 200 minutes championship football since Dublin last played.

That's priceless practice.

Training and friendlies are no substitute for competition.

Er, Wicklow dispatched three Northern Teams and could have beaten Kildare, a great team.
Sligo should have beaten Kerry, who in turn smashed Dublin to pieces.

So hardly average I would think.

eagle eye

spongeman wrote: »

Er, Wicklow dispatched three Northern Teams and could have beaten Kildare, a great team.
Sligo should have beaten Kerry, who in turn smashed Dublin to pieces.

So hardly average I would think.

Wicklow were beaten by Westmeath, then they go and beat Fermanangh, Down and Cavan and thats hardly awe inspiring.

Kidare a great team? Based on what, the fact that a Tyrone team that hasn't even woken up yet beat them by two points?

As I've said the really great teams know how to win ugly and thats what Kerry have done all year up to yesterday and the reason for that is they knew they wouldn't get away with playing in first gear against Dublin.

Wicklow and Kildare are both very average teams.

DARK-KNIGHT

eagle eye wrote: »

Wicklow were beaten by Westmeath, then they go and beat Fermanangh, Down and Cavan and thats hardly awe inspiring.

Kidare a great team? Based on what, the fact that a Tyrone team that hasn't even woken up yet beat them by two points?

As I've said the really great teams know how to win ugly and thats what Kerry have done all year up to yesterday and the reason for that is they knew they wouldn't get away with playing in first gear against Dublin.

Wicklow and Kildare are both very average teams.

KILDARE AN AVERAGE TEAM? LOL

where are you getting this from your a comedian, that kildare team will be leinster champions next year i bet my ass on that. wicklow are also good not great but have had a massive improvement and i wish them well!

why do the dublin fans seem to blame evryone apart from the superstars LOL!

maybe if dublin went back to grass roots they might win another all ireland in (15 years).

and before anyone says it yes kildare have not won an all ireland in 81 years but based on this year they are closer to doing it than an average boys in blue brigade!!!!!!!

CILL DARA ABU!

oh yeah also come on meath lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eagle eye

raycaulwell wrote: »

KILDARE AN AVERAGE TEAM? LOL

where are you getting this from your a comedian, that kildare team will be leinster champions next year i bet my ass on that. wicklow are also good not great but have had a massive improvement and i wish them well!

why do the dublin fans seem to blame evryone apart from the superstars LOL!

maybe if dublin went back to grass roots they might win another all ireland in (15 years).

and before anyone says it yes kildare have not won an all ireland in 81 years but based on this year they are closer to doing it than an average boys in blue brigade!!!!!!!

CILL DARA ABU!

oh yeah also come on meath lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a Dublin fan, in fact I would have more allegiance to Kildare than Dublin. I am a realist though.

grenache

eagle eye wrote: »

Wicklow and Kildare are both very average teams.

I would agree that Wicklow are average i.e. not good but not bad either. But i think Kildare are better than average. They've made the last 8 this year and last year. McGeeny has done a great job and has moulded them into a tough side that play a decent brand of direct football. They are better than average, they are very good and will probably win Leinster next year. Yesterday's defeat for Dublin could set them back a lot.

Tazdedub

grenache wrote: »

I would agree that Wicklow are average i.e. not good but not bad either. But i think Kildare are better than average. They've made the last 8 this year and last year. McGeeny has done a great job and has moulded them into a tough side that play a decent brand of direct football. They are better than average, they are very good and will probably win Leinster next year. Yesterday's defeat for Dublin could set them back a lot.

Grenache, there is no could about it, this defeat will set Dublin back a lot. I think Dublin football are going to have to do what Dublin hurling has done and start from the bottom up and not pick players based on what club they play for but pick players based on their talent.

premierstone

raycaulwell wrote: »

KILDARE AN AVERAGE TEAM? LOL

where are you getting this from your a comedian, that kildare team will be leinster champions next year i bet my ass on that. wicklow are also good not great but have had a massive improvement and i wish them well!

why do the dublin fans seem to blame evryone apart from the superstars LOL!

maybe if dublin went back to grass roots they might win another all ireland in (15 years).

and before anyone says it yes kildare have not won an all ireland in 81 years but based on this year they are closer to doing it than an average boys in blue brigade!!!!!!!

CILL DARA ABU!

oh yeah also come on meath lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both these statements as yesterday showed are not mutually exclusive

kravmaga

Not the Managers fault, the players are at fault, they were just not good enough.

Kerry were all over them from the get go.......

Dublin defence was pathetic..........

DARK-KNIGHT

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not a Dublin fan, in fact I would have more allegiance to Kildare than Dublin. I am a realist though.

If your not a fan and more towards kildare then be for them, we are excited and deserve to be as we have got the makings of a great team and we will rise to the top dont for one minute think we wont!

average team? yeah right!

also it was not just tyrone that barely got over the line against us but also dublin.

kildare will prove a force too strong for dublin next year i think!

and to the genuine dublin fans i actually really feel sorry for you guys, i hope things chabge for you otherwise your all ireland hopes will never emerge!

good luck,

Ray

DARK-KNIGHT

Tazdedub wrote: »

Grenache, there is no could about it, this defeat will set Dublin back a lot. I think Dublin football are going to have to do what Dublin hurling has done and start from the bottom up and not pick players based on what club they play for but pick players based on their talent.

i agree with you taz, dublin football will be hurt by this and tbh the hurlers are shining more than the footballers now!

maybe the dublin fans should turn towards the hurlers and give them the same level of support as the footballers???

spongeman

eagle eye wrote: »

Wicklow were beaten by Westmeath, then they go and beat Fermanangh, Down and Cavan and thats hardly awe inspiring.

Kidare a great team? Based on what, the fact that a Tyrone team that hasn't even woken up yet beat them by two points?

As I've said the really great teams know how to win ugly and thats what Kerry have done all year up to yesterday and the reason for that is they knew they wouldn't get away with playing in first gear against Dublin.

Wicklow and Kildare are both very average teams.

Kildare are a great team, and they will go far next year. They should have beaten Tyrone. They will win Leinster next year.

Wicklow threw it away against Westmeath, lost their entire back line through injury and then recovered. Fermanagh have won 11 qualifiers, Down are a good side.

Kerry did'nt win ugly against Sligo they should have lost. They were very lucky.

Zzippy

I posted this on the 22nd of March. Could have written it almost word for word last night.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055518808

Gilroy Out!
Right I've had enough. Today's display was just the last straw. Dublin need to get rid of Gilroy, he is clearly out his depth and bringing this team backwards. Some of the decision making on the pitch today was unbelievable, going for scores from totally unrealistic positions when a colleague was better placed. This league has been a disaster, relegation beckons, and we have a manager with NO experience at the helm. Time to dispense with this experiment and get someone with a proven track record who actually knows something about motivating a team.

What a supposedly top level county were doing appointing a manager with ZERO managerial experience is beyond me. A big name from a big club with influence is all he is, nothing more. While the Kerry team were better than Dublin, they are not 19 points better, and a manager at some stage has to take responsibility for how well (or badly) prepared his team are.

Tazdedub

raycaulwell wrote: »

i agree with you taz, dublin football will be hurt by this and tbh the hurlers are shining more than the footballers now!

maybe the dublin fans should turn towards the hurlers and give them the same level of support as the footballers???

Jaysus Ray, the hurling supporters would be upset with some of the riff raff that follow the football team turning to the hurlers.

However this might have a silver lining for the hurlers, it may make some of the hurlers think twice about switching to the football and it may make the few footballers who are better at the small ball switch to the hurling. I really think that Keaney should now throw his lot in with the hurlers and give up on the football, if only Ryan was a bit younger maybe he could switch as well.

I know when I played I always wanted to play for the hurlers rather than the footballers.