Jing Gong or Classic Army G36C

Lordhogo

Im going out to buy a G17 and a G36C this week but im unsure wheter I should get the Classic Army version or the Jing Gong version. Also is the G17 a good pistol or should I see about getting another one and finally is there any attachments worth getting for the G36C.

evilrobotshane

The Jing Gong G36C is generally considered the single best starter airsoft gun there is, hands down. Classic Army are generally considered to be fally-aparty.

I can't help you with the Glock question, I'm afraid.

I suppose the first attachment to look at might be a reflex sight, if you find the iron sights aren't doing it for you (personally I very much like to be able to keep both eyes open and maintain my focus on the target, but maybe I've become lazy). Some people like to put a gangster grip on the front, but you might be perfectly happy holding the magazine well with your front hand. Laser sights are a laugh if you're going to be playing indoors. However, all of these are gimmicky toys and by no means essential. Man I sure love me some gimmicky toys though.

Captain Chaos

A JG G36 and a KWA Glock 17 and you will by flying. They are both nearly bullet proof.

Leftyflip

evilrobotshane wrote: »

The Jing Gong G36C is generally considered the single best starter airsoft gun there is, hands down. Classic Army are generally considered to be fally-aparty.

I can't help you with the Glock question, I'm afraid.

I suppose the first attachment to look at might be a reflex sight, if you find the iron sights aren't doing it for you (personally I very much like to be able to keep both eyes open and maintain my focus on the target, but maybe I've become lazy). Some people like to put a gangster grip on the front, but you might be perfectly happy holding the magazine well with your front hand. Laser sights are a laugh if you're going to be playing indoors. However, all of these are gimmicky toys and by no means essential. Man I sure love me some gimmicky toys though.

What 'e said!
Just remember your spare battery and mags!

Lordhogo

Right so Jing Gong sounds like the winner right now but still will want a few more answers .

Doyler92

Well me and my cousin have got the JG G36C's about a year now. Have never had 1 problem either of us. The battery lasts me nearly a full skirmish day also. Would consider it alot.

P.K

ive handled and played with both JG and CA G36's,
I think anyway the CA has a much better material feels and looks alot better, where as the JG has the reliability, both have good hop JG more so than the CA. In an ideal world you would want the CA body with the JG internals:D

As for the Glock dont know much about them,

mle1324

Lordhogo wrote: »

Right so Jing Gong sounds like the winner right now but still will want a few more answers .

you'll pick one up in MIA for €150,actually considering getting one myself if my M16A1 doesnt arrive in time for the take aim (always handy to have a back up ),but from fellas i know that have them they havent got a bad word to say about them.
EDIT:I have also used a Glock before and have to say that there is not much of a kick of them,if you want something good go for a 1911 of some sort but if u are on a budget then go for the Glock.

lochdara

my jg g36k never failed me yet. I have a 9.6v 1500mah battery and it works well


This scope is attached.

Its good too

Doyler92

P.K wrote: »

ive handled and played with both JG and CA G36's,
I think anyway the CA has a much better material feels and looks alot better, where as the JG has the reliability, both have good hop JG more so than the CA. In an ideal world you would want the CA body with the JG internals:D

As for the Glock dont know much about them,

Don't want to sound snappy with this but would you rather a gun that looks great but will break down several times during a skirmish. Or would you rather a gun that will last you all the time that looks mostly the same?

Leftyflip

P.K knows what he's on about, I have to agree with him too, the finish on CA externals is second to none, but their internals are a bit ermm, well, crap...
JG internals are great, I'd perosnally go for the JG even if the externals aren't great, I'd take functionality and reliability over looks anyday...

NakedDex

If you're in the market for a G36 these days, the JG version could not be recommended higher. Given that it's less than half the price of the CA one (which is absolutely rubbish, take it from an owner) and performs arguably better than the TM one, which is also twice the price, it's really a no-brainer.
The only other one worth considering would be the KWA version which, while it does have slighty thicker plastics for the body, isn't worth the extra hundred smackers (don't be fooled by their "li-po ready" claims either, they're about as li-po ready as any other gun).
Value for money and sheer performance have made the JG G36 the top dog in the range.


As for the Glock 17; I have about ten pistols, all of which I love more than my KWA Glock 17. However, my Glock never leaves my side. It's the most consistent of all of my pistols, with good efficiency and excellent range and accuracy. It doesn't weigh a metric assload like some pistols and it fits comfortably in the hand.
Much like M4's, I hate Glocks. However, also much like M4's, I use mine regularly because, frankly, it works too damn well not too.

Attachments wise, you don't really need anything on a G36c. What might be useful, as mentioned earlier, is some form of tube-sight (like an Aimpoint) or a reflex sight (like an EoTech).
An option would also be to rewire (or have it rewired for you) the gearbox and pick up the solid adjustable stock for the G36. It'll let you put in a bigger battery pack so you don't have to rely on lower capacity mini packs any longer. It also gives the rifle a nicer, chunkier feel and look.

If you have spare cash after that, however, I'd recommend a SERPA holster for your Glock. Rock solid and a nice low profile. You'll never need to worry about losing your pistol in the middle of a run again.


Edit:
Clearly I shouldn't have walked away before posting this. I've missed a bit.

The CA externals aren't as great as some think. They're also grey, rather than black, which is a point that annoys the hell out of me. As I mentioned, I have a couple of the CA G36's. They have weak points (specifically the hanguard stability and atrocious mould lines). The TM ones are better, but still have their flaws, as do the KWA ones which are probably the best given the price.
The one problem with the JG ones is how thin they feel, rather than how thin they actually are. The JG ones are stronger than they look, much like the KWA ones. However, they're a bit on the shiny side which gives them a cheap look. I've replaced a damaged CA G36 front end with a JG one which I've just sprayed very lightly with some matt black paint. I emphasise very lightly. You're just dusting it, not actually painting it.

Masada

Defo the JG over the Classic Army.
The CA looks nicer with its polymer-ish looking materials but they are brittle and crack pretty easily. the JG is a little plasticy'er looking but its able to take much more of a beating than the CA. the internals of the JG are superior to the CA by miles too.

On the glock, theres a few out there that are reliable. the KWA is a great pistol and has pretty much taken the top spot in terms of design. most company's clone that as opposed to the TM design meaning plenty more parts availible.

P.K

Doyler92 wrote: »

Don't want to sound snappy with this but would you rather a gun that looks great but will break down several times during a skirmish. Or would you rather a gun that will last you all the time that looks mostly the same?

well thats why i included the bit on the end, seeing as how the G36s i used had both JG internals,

LordHogo, its personal preference
you either want a excellent skirmish piece thats gotta reputation for being indistructable
or
something that looks and feels the business, if you've got time and money, go with the CA and order the JG internals or just replace the gb parts.

thermo

the kwa one is very good a friend of mine has had one nearly 2 years and never any problems, and he is not afraid of the trigger! very accurate and good rof out of the box.

Lordhogo

Right the Jing Gong it is since I do have a classic army armalite and everything breaks so easily on it and I would guess its the same for the G36C. I probably will definetley get the glock since it is only a starter pistol. I probably will get a front grip for the g36. Also a few extra magazines. Now thats sorted out I have to ask what good tactical vests I could get from Eirsoft for about fiftyish euro and what how many high cap or mid cap magazines should I buy.

NakedDex

First off, forget about that dirty word "high cap". Get a half dozen mids and you're laughing. The mids for the G36 carry around the 150 mark so six of them will leave you with 900 rounds going into a game. More than enough for about anyone.

The one problem with G36 mags is pouches. You'll loosely fit one mag into a double M4 pouch or tightly fit two into a triple pouch. The only vest I can think of for around the €50 mark is the Viper SAAV (at €45) which, from experience, is not the best friend of the G36 mag. You may have to spend a little more or get a MOLLE type vest and some specific G36 pouches/triple M4 pouches.
Flecktarn.co.uk does a good range of G36 compatible gear if you go that route, or you can head for the likes of ehobby or ebaybanned and pick up a MOLLE vest and rig it out how it suits you.

Stercus Accidit

JG,

anything else is just marketing spiel and BS.

Captain Chaos

If having to use G36 mags becomes a problem you can do this



A CA mag well adapter can be dropped in to replace the standard one, taking all of 30 seconds to do and works a treat. All armalite mags I have tried work so far except for Magpul Pmags which need to be filed down.

Masada

I have that on my JG too but i find with high ROF it cant feed fast enough through. Its a great idea though, G36 mags are far too big and can be a pain to carry.

Snowie

where do you get the adapter for the g36 ? Id love to carry mids but there just to big to carry. granted you can clip them together but still g36 mags are way to big...

Captain Chaos

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

where do you get the adapter for the g36 ? Id love to carry mids but there just to big to carry. granted you can clip them together but still g36 mags are way to big...

The one I have is made by CA, got form fire-support.co.uk
There are other makes, think one is Battle Axe and there is an ACM one, I think ebaybanned and RSOV do both of them but I have read mixed reviews of both mainly feeding issues like Masada said above.

So far the CA one is behaving itself but my CA G36K is all stock parts on an 8.4v.
Some people start having problems with higher rates of fire.

Firekitten

The stanag adaptors tend to missfeed quite spectacularly in most cases I've seen...

However, on the g36 front, I'd not be so quick to recomend a JG.
While they are lovely guns, they are not the best...

The classic army ca36c is a great gun, I had one for two years, and it was one of my most reliable weapons. fally aparty? Not really...

The Ares g36c is also rather spiffy... quick change spring like the sa80 and tavor and a very well designed internals package produces a great gun. The look of the star, but it works...

KWA is nice if you want a high rof package, but not everyone does.

Isnt it ironic that the JG is now considered the 'best' gun? I remember when the TM g36c was the 'beginers friend' hehe... how times change.

Captain Chaos

Yes CA a were good brand 2 years ago, about the same time I got my CA G36 and AUG, I must have got lucky because since then an awful lot of CAs being shipped into this country have been, for lack of a better word, ****e. I am convinced my two CA AEGs are living on borrowed time.

Dr. Shredder

Doyler92 wrote: »

Don't want to sound snappy with this but would you rather a gun that looks great but will break down several times during a skirmish. Or would you rather a gun that will last you all the time that looks mostly the same?

oh the one that breaks down several times a day definetly! gods i do love my breakdowns, gives me a chance to sit in the safe zone for a while and think about life until the gun gets fixed then i have to go out and play some silly sport they call airsoft or something:(

NakedDex

Firekitten wrote: »

The classic army ca36c is a great gun, I had one for two years, and it was one of my most reliable weapons. fally aparty? Not really...

I have two right beside me that would argue that point. One with some most outrageous structural faults given it's limited use and both with rather hefty gearbox explosions despite being run tentatively on 8.4v packs for their lifespan. Around 2-3 years ago CA were at the top of their game. Anything since then has been almost universally catastrophically bad.
My first proper AEG was a CA G36k and it's still one of my absolute favourites. However, even putting a 9.6v pack into it gives me concerns about the noise it makes. I love it, and it's served me well, but it's newer brothers have been disappointing in the extreme.

At this stage I wouldn't call anything with a CA stamp "a great gun". I have seen far too many disasters to have any confidence in them anymore. They do have two things going for them still, however. They do some snazzy metal bodies (although even the quality here is starting slip in places) and they have a great marketing department which is somehow keeping their sales up as if guided by divine intervention.

Snowie

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The one I have is made by CA, got form fire-support.co.uk
There are other makes, think one is Battle Axe and there is an ACM one, I think ebaybanned and RSOV do both of them but I have read mixed reviews of both mainly feeding issues like Masada said above.

So far the CA one is behaving itself but my CA G36K is all stock parts on an 8.4v.
Some people start having problems with higher rates of fire.

cool man I'l give them look thanks for the links :cool:...
hmmm well maybe il have a good think i dont want have my chance and then shoot a blank that would be annoying :pac: feeding issues would be a bit worrying

Lordhogo

Right im fully decided on the Jing Gong one.

All I really need to know is about the tactical vest for fiftyish euro that can hold g36c mags and then I am done.

p.s I might need the answer today as I could be going to Eirsoft tomorrow.

thermo

i dont think you will get a new assualt vest for €50 with the right sized mag pouches, on the other hand you will get a chest rig!

Sod'o swords

My JG g36c has worked for well over a year now, and for me, with airsoft guns, it may as well be older than time keeping itself.

It can take a 9.6 no problem which gives you a more needed ROF and the range you get off it for that small a barrel is very impressive.

But the thing is built like a horse, mine went for a tumble out of my hands one day, and bounced 5 times.
I expected it to explode when i pulled the trigger, i just had to take off the flash hider because there was so much mud in it, and the gun was working no bother.

I can't recommend a gun more than it, and for the price, i felt like i robbed Mr JG.

NakedDex

Lordhogo wrote: »

p.s I might need the answer today as I could be going to Eirsoft tomorrow.

NakedDex wrote: »

The one problem with G36 mags is pouches. You'll loosely fit one mag into a double M4 pouch or tightly fit two into a triple pouch. The only vest I can think of for around the €50 mark is the Viper SAAV (at €45) which, from experience, is not the best friend of the G36 mag. You may have to spend a little more or get a MOLLE type vest and some specific G36 pouches/triple M4 pouches.
Flecktarn.co.uk does a good range of G36 compatible gear if you go that route, or you can head for the likes of ehobby or ebaybanned and pick up a MOLLE vest and rig it out how it suits you.

I answered that here, though I stand corrected somewhat. It's clearly been longer than I thought since I've used a SAAV with a G36 but curiosity got the better of me after posting this and I dug out my old one and grabbed a few mags. You'll fit six into the regular pouches (two in the breast pouches, one in the utility pouch on the bottom to the left hand side, one in the twin pouch on the bottom to the right hand side and one in each of the hip pouches). The SAAV has two dump pouches which you could also use to hold three mags in each, if you were willing to lose your dump facility.

Judging by this, I reckon a €45 Viper SAAV and six mid caps would be just the job.