South africa vs. New Zealand 1/Aug/09

chupacabra

Teams:

South Africa: 15 Frans Steyn, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Pierre Spies, 7Juan Smith, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 John Smit (c), 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 Jannie du Plessis, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Danie Rossouw, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Adi Jacobs, 22 Wynand Olivier.

New Zealand: 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Joe Rokocoko, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Stephen Donald, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Rodney So'oialo, 7 Richie McCaw (capt), 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Isaac Ross, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Replacements: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 John Afoa, 18 Jason Eaton, 19 Kieran Read, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Luke McAlister, 22 Cory Jane.

Should be an interesting game this. At sea level in durban so there should be no excuses from a fitness point of view from the all blacks, and on that i would pip them to win it. Steyn in for Pienaar is a blessing for south africa, as shown last week Pienaar is a bottler under pressure with his kicking, Steyn offers some solidity on that front if losing the attacking flair and lightning distribution Pienaar would bring.

2040

I'm going to say South Africa again but my a closer margin. Steyn to make 3 drop goals. (Morne that is)

pappyodaniel

Ya M Steyn is the man,he doesn't miss sitters like Pienaar and the pressure doesnt get to him. I have money on Sth Africa to win by more than 10 points, The All Blacks didn't look like threatening the Springboks last week and I think we are in for more of the same again. Their pack is too light weight, they can't go toe to toe with the Springboks, if they've any chance it'll have to come from loose play, moments of magic by the three quarters and mistakes by Sth Africa...that's not going to happen though.

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30 mins played:

South Africa 9 New Zealand 13

Boks down to 14 JP Pieterson sin binned for a high tackle on Cowan which stopped a certain All Black try

Profiler

pappyodaniel wrote: »

The All Blacks didn't look like threatening the Springboks last week and I think we are in for more of the same again. Their pack is too light weight, they can't go toe to toe with the Springboks,

Bokke scrum under pressure, All Blacks have the upper hand there right now.

(edit)

As I say that Issac Ross gets himself yellow carded

bleg

SA hammering them now. NZ losing the plot!

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Half time

South Africa 22 New Zealand 13

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bleg wrote: »

SA hammering them now. NZ losing the plot!

What game are you watching?

awhir

very messy game

dfx-

Watched the match so far, NZ are flattered by the scoreline, SA have been all over them - lineout, scrum

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dfx- wrote: »

Watched the match so far, NZ are flattered by the scoreline, SA have been all over them - lineout, scrum

Scrum? New Zealand were putting huge pressure on the Boks scrum which was creaking badly until the AB lock got sin binned.

Line out is bad, no question there, but if it wasn't for All Black mistakes the Boks would not be in the lead. That is not the same as SA being "all over" the All Blacks

bleg

Profiler wrote: »

Scrum? New Zealand were all over the Boks scrum until their lock got sin binned.

Line out is bad, no question there, but if it wasn't for All Black mistakes the Boks would not be in the lead. That is not the same as SA being "all over" the All Blacks

They are all over NZ, putting immense pressure on them at ruck time and with the garryowens/chips. NZ are clearly rattled and are making elementary mistakes, Sky sports just had a section on it there.

Profiler

bleg wrote: »

They are all over NZ, putting immense pressure on them at ruck time and with the garryowens/chips. NZ are clearly rattled and are making elementary mistakes, Sky sports just had a section on it there.

Saw that too, but didn't see the "hammering" you saw.

Amabokke

Profiler wrote: »

Half time

Morne Steyn 22 New Zealand 13

Fixed it for you.

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Amabokke wrote: »

The ref fixing it for us.

TwoCanPlayThatGame

(and I mean for sin binning Ross for kicking a ball that was clearly out of the ruck)

Amabokke

Profiler wrote: »

TwoCanPlayThatGame

(and I mean for sin binning Ross for kicking a ball that was clearly out of the ruck)

:rolleyes: ABs and supporters still need to point the blame to someone for playing pathetic rugby.

Profiler

Amabokke wrote: »

:rolleyes: ABs and supporters still need to point the blame to someone for playing pathetic rugby.

As an Irishman and Irish rugby supporter I'll have to take your word for that.

If you could be objective you would agree that the Ross yellow was harsh for the AB's and very very fortunate for SA.

Profiler

Bakkies Botha should be yellow carded there.

(edit) and is.

That is the 2nd clear AB try stopped by South African dirty play.

For all the Boks "dominance" they have had to cheat at lest twice to keep their noses in front

dfx-

Maybe makes up for the amount of penalties given away by New Zealand then. McCaw should be on thin ice at this stage..

Edit: And another one makes it 28-19..and another 31-19

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dfx- wrote: »

Maybe makes up for the amount of penalties given away by New Zealand then. McCaw should be on thin ice at this stage..

He's spent his entire career on thin ice.

dfx-

Well that excuses it then:p

enner43

I completely forgot about this game today Does anyone know if its repeated?

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dfx- wrote: »

Well that excuses it then:p

No it doesn't.

It would seem strange if he would get called for breaking the rules now for the kind of thing he has been getting away with for years.

wixfjord

If Steyn continues the ascent his career has seen in the last year we could be seeing a star in the making. Has a bit to go in attacking play though.

copacetic

good game, bit dissapointed that the ABs didn't get a few more scores, like last week they've played most of the rugby but seem to be missing their usual cutting edge finishing. Too many good breaks not finished, although a couple of them were not finished due to cynical play from South Africa. South Africa are certainly turning into a side that plays to win and nothing else, which I guess you have to respect even if it's not pretty to watch.

Sherifu

Clearing out the bench now.

Stev_o

SA are basically England at the 2003 RWC now at this stage, pretty much identical parallels in alot of positions.

dfx-

Profiler wrote: »

No it doesn't.

It would seem strange if he would get called for breaking the rules now for the kind of thing he has been getting away with for years.

And it would seem strange that a team with McCaw in it would complain about cheating to get an advantage then too..

Convincing win for SA...NZ penned in, kicking problems, catching problems, passing problems, lineout problems, penalties galore, Botha's yellow card cost no point deficit as SA still held their scrum

Quint

Only saw the second half, great performance from SA. Delighted to see them win

strathspey

Stev_o wrote: »

SA are basically England at the 2003 RWC now at this stage, pretty much identical parallels in alot of positions.

What a strange comment. In fact I see very few parallels. Without Wilko's boot, England 2003 were a less than average side, and lets not forget that they were hardly worthy of champion status in the aftermath of the 2003 RWC.

Stev_o

strathspey wrote: »

What a strange comment. In fact I see very few parallels. Without Wilko's boot, England 2003 were a less than average side, and lets not forget that they were hardly worthy of champion status in the aftermath of the 2003 RWC.

You'v got to be joking me here.

sickpuppy

strathspey wrote: »

What a strange comment. In fact I see very few parallels. Without Wilko's boot, England 2003 were a less than average side, and lets not forget that they were hardly worthy of champion status in the aftermath of the 2003 RWC.

Ya full of average players like Johnson Dallaglio Richard Hill,Neil Back
Jason Robinson Wilkinson Greenwood very average me hole i personly was delighted a northern hemisphere team won in 2003 and the english team was full of great players.

anonymous_joe

strathspey wrote: »

What a strange comment. In fact I see very few parallels. Without Wilko's boot, England 2003 were a less than average side, and lets not forget that they were hardly worthy of champion status in the aftermath of the 2003 RWC.

You what!?

Martin Johnson, Lawrence Dallaglio, Neil Back, Jason Robinson, Josh Lewsey, etc, etc. They were fcuking awesome.

Probably the best pack rugby's ever seen (in the pro era anyway) with some outstanding players in the backs too.

Digifriendly

Remember this England team beat both NZ and Australia away from home in tour down under before the RWC so they were far from average.

wixfjord

Fail.

That England team was full of talent, well drilled and had two rugby legends, along with many other class players.
To call them average is wrong. I can see what steve o was getting at, and two crazy egotistical managers aswell!

Judgement Day

copacetic wrote: »

good game, bit dissapointed that the ABs didn't get a few more scores, like last week they've played most of the rugby but seem to be missing their usual cutting edge finishing. Too many good breaks not finished, although a couple of them were not finished due to cynical play from South Africa. South Africa are certainly turning into a side that plays to win and nothing else, which I guess you have to respect even if it's not pretty to watch.

Don't think we can have been watching the same game. It was woeful from beginning to end. Bad handling, too many penalties and some dubious referring decisions and to cap it all the arrogant Boks won.

DBraithwaite

Reaction to South Africa vs All Blacks 1/8/09

wixfjord

DBraithwaite wrote: »

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This thread isnt needed dont be foolish, theres already reaction in the other thread.

theKramer

I opened this thinking there might have been some articles or links to a Saffer or Kiwi forum/online blogs :rolleyes:

themont85

Stev_o wrote: »

SA are basically England at the 2003 RWC now at this stage, pretty much identical parallels in alot of positions.

England would have hosed this SA outfit. Imo they are no great shakes in the history of good sides.

uberwolf

themont85 wrote: »

England would have hosed this SA outfit. Imo they are no great shakes in the history of good sides.

sure the 2003 side did just about beat them in the last world cup final

Stev_o

themont85 wrote: »

England would have hosed this SA outfit. Imo they are no great shakes in the history of good sides.

Of course im not saying they are as good as that team but they show alot of parrells to that team in alot of positions and are playing a slightly a similar playing style to them albeit more and more kicking ( In fairness to England they actually ran with the ball i in 2003)

jumpguy

Not surprised with the outcome. SA's team is . Anyone think that if that offside tackle (fella got a sinbin for it, can't remember who it was now) hadn't happened it would've been a different game in New Zealand's favour? SA's team is rock-solid and Steyn is a virtually flawless kicker.

anonymous_joe

It really frustrates me now thinking back to the Lions tour.

The Lions were definitely the stronger side, but just lacked a teensy bit of composure, and now we see South Africa kicking orse... I don't think the tri-nations have ever been weaker tbh.

wixfjord

anonymous_joe wrote: »

It really frustrates me now thinking back to the Lions tour.

The Lions were definitely the stronger side, but just lacked a teensy bit of composure, and now we see South Africa kicking orse... I don't think the tri-nations have ever been weaker tbh.

*insert witty leinster/Ross O Carroll Kelly comment*:cool::p

DBraithwaite

DBraithwaite wrote: »

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New Zealand need Ali Williams back asap.The problems dont lie with Hore as much as is being made out,no one is talking control in the lineout thus making it a free for all.

Rockacoko is not playing well at all,Corey Jane needs to come in to help Mils with the back 3 fielding work because Sivivatu cannot kick or catch well but has to be included for his attacking threats which are ridiculously good.

The midfield is not as good as it could be,I would ditch Nonu who has not brought his super 14 form to the international stage.McAlister coming in at 12 also gives the benefit of helping to take the pressure off Donald who is actually playing some good stuff.

Confidence is lacking and this can be seen with all the unforced errors.

There are some positives though,Isaac Ross has come into his own and shown some good displays,he will be a good replacement for Brad Thron when the time comes.

The scrum is now looking good again,Now that the rubbish Tialata has been ditched we are seeing some good stuff From Franks and Woodcock.

They need to make some changes,so I would bring in Weepu to start with Leonard on the bench and McAlister at 12,Corey Jane has to start at 14 and you would hope that Ali Williams will be back soon.
Carters magic is missed but Donald is doing a good job so the loss isnt as bad as some imagined.


South Africa are looking very good.
From a personal view I would prefer Pienaar to play as it makes them more exciting to watch but Morne Steyn has brought his super 14 form through and deserves the spot.

Personally their is something that annoys me about this team,I think they are boring to watch or something.They are jut like a machine who grind away but it all looks so forced and boring.
I think they can run it off the cuff a bit more and show some more flair.
They rely on power too much and this wont win them the away matches imo.

What is amazing is how good Fourie du preez is,he plays like an extra 10 at times and is so far ahead of any other 9 in world rugby its ridiculous,he could comfortably play any postion form 10-15 and probably be world class.


Piri weepu also did an outstanding job of leading the Kapa O Pango,stirring stuff as the commentator said.He should be kept for this alone
One of the best Hakas I have ever seen,easily the best from the last few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_CdfIIOGM

pappyodaniel

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Ya M Steyn is the man,he doesn't miss sitters like Pienaar and the pressure doesnt get to him. I have money on Sth Africa to win by more than 10 points, The All Blacks didn't look like threatening the Springboks last week and I think we are in for more of the same again. Their pack is too light weight, they can't go toe to toe with the Springboks, if they've any chance it'll have to come from loose play, moments of magic by the three quarters and mistakes by Sth Africa...that's not going to happen though.

Oh ya, just made myself €80 on this scoreline, pity i'm working all wknd, no pub for pappy.

nc6000

After The Lions I'm looking forward to someone giving SA a good beating. It didn't happen yesterday as NZ were very poor and made far too many basic errors. I'll be cheering for Australia next week.

mikeruurds

I'm actually a little dismayed at the amount of anti-bok sentiment on boards at the moment. No-one is giving the Boks any credit for playing to a gameplan and doing what few other teams have managed against the All Blacks.

It's all about the result in the end.

sm.org

I'd cheer for the Waffen SS over this SA team to be honest. Thought the Boks played well but the amount of errors from NZ was insane. I dont know if any of the players in the squad are any better then the 15 on the pitch there seems to be a general lack of confidence throughout the 28 man pannel.

A couple of players look done to be honest namely Thorn,Mils,Joe and So'olialo and I dont think the talent is there to replace them.

mikeruurds

So who's going to give the Boks a hiding? They've been the most consistent side in recent times and deserve their success.

Too much begrudgery.