Traffic Blues type programme for Ambulance Service

Bang Bang

Following on from the RTE series Traffic Blues, the next step is a similar type TV programme on the Ambulance Service.
Everything is in place, including any issues with patient confidentiatly and filming is due to start next week in Dublin.

Ambulance Service and other ES employees, Gardai, Fire Service and Emergency Department staff can opt to have their faces "blurred" out too if they don't want to appear in the programme:cool:

So if you're working in the Emergency Services around Dublin, don't forget the make-up and cheesy grin when on duty from next week:D

This TV series should be interesting :rolleyes:

sgthighway

Maybe they should just do one on the DFB including all of its services if they are going to do it in Dublin?

Bang Bang

sgthighway wrote: »

Maybe they should just do one on the DFB including all of its services if they are going to do it in Dublin?

Why?

Dublin Fire Brigade did have it's own series some years back named "D Watch".

djtechnics1210

Wonder if its going to be as bad as traffic blues................

ivabiggon

because Dublin fire brigade run the A+E emergency ambulance in Dublin and do the majority of the 999 ambulance calls around Dublin and as a fire appliance turns out with every ambulance to any major trauma or serious medical case this would also cover the fire side and the ambulance side while riding with Dublin fire brigade,

it would cover all the other rescue aspects such as swift water rescue, high rise rescue, boat rescue, emergency tender rescue,specialist areas such as marine emergency response teams, turntable ladders,tunnel response vehicles and the advanced paramedic cars.

Doing a fly on the wall with Dublin fire brigade would get a good in depth look at all these emergency services under the one umbrella and these areas are very much very active and happening every day in the DFB,also it could give a good insight to the regional control center workings which DFB run and maybe educate the public in the process.

DubMedic

Wonderful, I can't wait to see the massive amount of editing that goes into it so that you cannot see any blood whatsoever, and any eTOH patients will be edited out to ensure Dublin looks like a tourist-friendly city.

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timmywex

Really looking forward to this, it will be amazing pr!! Ambulance service usually gets no recognition in the media/ most people still refer as ambulance drivers, hopefully it will change attitudes of the public for the better. Stick them out with ap's to show off the skills to everyone!

Bang Bang

ivabiggon wrote: »

because Dublin fire brigade run the A+E emergency ambulance in Dublin and do the majority of the 999 ambulance calls around Dublin and as a fire appliance turns out with every ambulance to any major trauma or serious medical case this would also cover the fire side and the ambulance side while riding with Dublin fire brigade,

it would cover all the other rescue aspects such as swift water rescue, high rise rescue, boat rescue, emergency tender rescue,specialist areas such as marine emergency response teams, turntable ladders,tunnel response vehicles and the advanced paramedic cars.

Doing a fly on the wall with Dublin fire brigade would get a good in depth look at all these emergency services under the one umbrella and these areas are very much very active and happening every day in the DFB,also it could give a good insight to the regional control center workings which DFB run and maybe educate the public in the process.

Dublin Fire brigade do not run the A+E ambulance service for the whole of Dublin. The HSE share the command and control centre of Dublin and take all the calls for the south county covered by Loughlinstown and share the remainder of Dublin with the Dublin Fire brigade.

This programme is about the Ambulance Service, not the Fire Service and rope, height rescue etc. But if you want to go into that type of rescue then the HSE National Ambulance Service Incident Response Unit carry out height, rope/cliff rescue, Marine rescue etc with the assistance of the Gardai and Air Corp who supply helicopters to fly crews to those incidents, including riot incidents, countrywide, not just Dublin. The HSE also operate AP cars.

I would also ask that this thread doesn't turn into one of those "Them versus Us" threads. There are other forums on the internet for that.

kaizersoze

Bang Bang wrote:

Ambulance Service and other ES employees, Gardai, Fire Service and Emergency Department staff can opt to have their faces "blurred" out too if they don't want to appear in the programme

Might look like they have something to hide. o_O

Any idea when it'll be aired?

ivabiggon

ye but the HSE don't do anything except ambulance work, they,re never called on to do any of those things that they say they can do on paper, well not in dublin because the DFB have it all covered and are at station level ready to go, unlike the HSE which have to ring around and get staff in take ambulances of the road all meet up go to a rescue site etc etc etc,
sure if you need a high dependency ambulance they same applies sure by that stage it would be to late.
The DFB are right there at the cutting edge with their training and response times and experience, sure the hse have no experience what so ever in rescue the HSE would never be able to compete with that.

how would hse paramedic be able to justify wreaking something to save a life when it doesn't have the legal authority to do so, unlike the fire services act for the fire boys
and thats not me just saying that I've have lots of friends in the HSE and they say it also?
oh and the HSE aren't a emergency rescue service they are and ambulance service... listed as an "essential service"

DubMedic

ivabiggon wrote: »

well not in dublin because the DFB have it all covered and are at station level ready to go.
oh and the HSE aren't a emergency rescue service they are and ambulance service... listed as an "essential service"

The HSE Ambulance Service was not set up as a Fire and Ambulance Service.

Do the DFB have in their fleet a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit as well as HDV's and Motorcycle Rapid Response Units?.

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Bang Bang

ivabiggon wrote: »

ye but the HSE don't do anything except ambulance work

Well the programme is about the Ambulance Service. The Ambulance Service covers 26 counties and also has a cross border cooperative to assist across the border, as does the NIAS who can assist south of the border.
You appear to live in a land where there is only the DFB Ambulance and only Ambulances operating in Dublin.

As mentioned the programme is about the Ambulance Service, not the Fire Service.

jake59

Bang Bang wrote: »

You appear to live in a land where there is only the DFB Ambulance and only Ambulances operating in Dublin.

As mentioned the programme is about the Ambulance Service, not the Fire Service.

In fairness though in the area that DFB works in they carry out the vast majority of 999 ambulance calls whereas HSE also do the likes of patient transport etc.. The HSE ambulance crews call on fire crews to help them too when needed so I'm sure we'll see them on the show. Without going into it too much HSE ambulances are not always available for 999 calls for their own reasons whereas DFB ambulances are always available and often do calls way out of their area while providing this service. Should be good if it covers both DFB and HSE ambulance services.

brayblue24

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Wonder if its going to be as bad as traffic blues................

With the silver medal going to "Customs" and the bronze to..............

"The Enforcers".

Bang Bang

jake59 wrote: »

In fairness though in the area that DFB works in they carry out the vast majority of 999 ambulance calls whereas HSE also do the likes of patient transport etc.. The HSE ambulance crews call on fire crews to help them too when needed so I'm sure we'll see them on the show. Without going into it too much HSE ambulances are not always available for 999 calls for their own reasons whereas DFB ambulances are always available and often do calls way out of their area while providing this service. Should be good if it covers both DFB and HSE ambulance services.

Nobody said this programme was all about "Emergency" calls, afterall what percentage of ambulance calls are "Real" "Emergency" calls?? DFB or HSE, Not too many.

Again I'll say it. This programme is about the Ambulance Service. The work of the Ambulance Service is not all about emergency calls, there is much more to the service than running around with sirens wailing and blue lights flashing, although some out there, and here, appear to believe that's what it's all about.
The HSE Ambulance Service grades it's calls as AS1, AS2 and AS3 (routine transfer).
An AS1 call is classed as emergency with an emergency response. This of course can be regraded to AS2 (no lights/sirens) when you arrive on scene and see that the patient is not in critical danger.

AS2 means generally within the hour, no lights and sirens, normal traffic driving.

AS3, routine transfer from one facility to another. Normal traffic driving.

Why would some believe that every ambulance call should be blue lights and sirens, putting you and your partner, your patient and other road users at risk, just to arrive at the ED to walk a patient who is very stable with little or nothing wrong with them into the waiting room.

This is one of the reasons the HSE Ambulance Service grades it's calls, road safety is a big part of it too.

Bosco boy

I'm sick of cheap TV, can u turn on the telly anymore without looking at reality TV, everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame, ok the emergency services do a good job but I pay my tv licence not to watch fools vomiting on the street and getting taken away in an ambulance or a garda car. Give me a documentary on something that happened that was of serious intrest that involved a rescue or something and I'll watch but please please spare me more of this!!!!!!! :eek:

karlog

Does anyone ever compare traffic blues to road wars?

e.g police raiding a drug dealers house compared to gardai having trouble removing a cone from under a womans car.

Bosco boy

the rules of filming both series were completely different, if you happened to be stopped in uk and the camera was rolling - hard luck! from what i hear in the republic the person could object to the footage being broadcast and the restrictions only allowed what you saw in the programme. I heard that there was actually some really excellent footage that could not be seen due to objections by those involved, maybe if they do it again they may be less worried about being sued. From what I hear the gaurds knock in a few doors aswell and have been known to fire a few shots also when the need arises and maybe sometimes when it dosent.

Hooch

Bang Bang wrote: »

I would also ask that this thread doesn't turn into one of those "Them versus Us" threads. There are other forums on the internet for that.

Too late...................

CB19Kevo

ivabiggon wrote: »

ye but the HSE don't do anything except ambulance work, they,re never called on to do any of those things that they say they can do on paper, well not in dublin because the DFB have it all covered and are at station level ready to go, unlike the HSE which have to ring around and get staff in take ambulances of the road all meet up go to a rescue site etc etc etc,
sure if you need a high dependency ambulance they same applies sure by that stage it would be to late.
The DFB are right there at the cutting edge with their training and response times and experience, sure the hse have no experience what so ever in rescue the HSE would never be able to compete with that.

how would hse paramedic be able to justify wreaking something to save a life when it doesn't have the legal authority to do so, unlike the fire services act for the fire boys
and thats not me just saying that I've have lots of friends in the HSE and they say it also?
oh and the HSE aren't a emergency rescue service they are and ambulance service... listed as an "essential service"

At times like these you dont if you should laugh or cry,My god thats some statement there bud, I think most people here know the capabilities of DFB and the the HSE NAS so to be fair no one needs a lecture,Despite what you might think most ES members work together very well and operate as a team weather they be HSE/GARDAI/FIRE/VOL whatever so i dont think your helping the situation by bashig the HSE crews. - Leave it off and for everyone else reading this - I for one am sick of the politics within the various services,it's getting old and its nearly always uncalled for

jake59

Bang Bang wrote: »

Nobody said this programme was all about "Emergency" calls, afterall what percentage of ambulance calls are "Real" "Emergency" calls?? DFB or HSE, Not too many.


Why would some believe that every ambulance call should be blue lights and sirens, putting you and your partner, your patient and other road users at risk, just to arrive at the ED to walk a patient who is very stable with little or nothing wrong with them into the waiting room.

This is one of the reasons the HSE Ambulance Service grades it's calls, road safety is a big part of it too.

The 999/112 system is there and whether it is abused or not is a different question but the calls DFB go to are 999 emergency calls and they take each call as real until they know otherwise, so thats your first point dealt with.

Secondly, nobody said anything about blue lights and sirens, putting anybody at risk or road safety. Blue lights and sirens are to be used at the discretion of the driver to safely make his way through traffic and he/she still has to drive within the limits of the rules of the road. If someone is found to be driving dangerously they will be dealt with in the same way as anybody driving dangerously in their own personal vehicle.

Of course I'm not as informed as you seem to be about the reckless and dangerous drivers in the DFB or the huge amount of stable walking patients who are calling 999 for a jaunt in an ambulance maybe just cos they have nothing better to do but I hope you appreciate the fact that in the Dublin area DFB are still dealing with the majority of 999 calls.which was my original point.

Bang Bang

jake59 wrote: »

Of course I'm not as informed as you seem to be about the reckless and dangerous drivers in the DFB

Would you care to explain your comment here please.
Neither I nor nobody so far here has commented on the driving of any member of the DFB.




Again, for some reason, we get comments on how many calls one service does compared to another, or how many rescues were performed, or who's allowed to go "wreaking something"!!
Can we please get this thread back on track.

As the HSE Ambulance Service now has a large number of Advanced Paramedics qualified, this programme will also give an excellent view of the latest advanced life saving skills performed by Ambulance Crews every hour of the day countrywide.
Quite a large number of HSE Ambulance Stations now have a number of Paramedics with these new skills so there are more and more vehicles coming onto the streets every shift with an AP on board bringing these skills to the patient as soon as that emergency call is made.

The viewer may also get the opportunity to see the social and domestic problems Paramedics face on a regular basis during their working shift and how their people skills can help a person who maybe just desperate for a shoulder to cry on.

I believe this is the opportunity for some well deserved good publicity for the Ambulance Service, I just hope that it is edited properly to give that well deserved recognition.

ivabiggon

DubMedic wrote: »

The HSE Ambulance Service was not set up as a Fire and Ambulance Service.

Do the DFB have in their fleet a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit as well as HDV's and Motorcycle Rapid Response Units?.

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no but we don't need neonat units, because we only do A&E work, the same way the hse don't need rescue team and training etc
and fire truck response in dublin is faster than motorbikes and they can work in all weather with loads of help on board, whats a HDV?

TheNog

This thread is about a show for the Ambulance Service but has instead turned into a pissing contest between who is better DFB or HAS.

Back on topic now

ivabiggon

your right i'll refrain from the "my ambos faster than your ambo talk"
but to get back to the original topic, would it not be better for the camera crew to cover the dublin fire brigade ambulance for the A+E work to show how it all works and how it's all abuse also, show people the amount of resources and the waste of resources that goes into picking drunks up,cut fingers, 4 week belly aches,and try and get rid of the "sure i'll be seen quicker by ambulance theory" people have in this city, at least the calls are guaranteed, with 90k calls a year more than any other service in this country it would be a fantastic medium to educate people of the dublin area.
and yes cover the neonate and high dependency units, and the patient transfers from down the country.
that was on my original post in the first place

am i back on track now nog

Bang Bang

ivabiggon wrote: »

your right i'll refrain from the "my ambos faster than your ambo talk"
but to get back to the original topic, would it not be better for the camera crew to cover the dublin fire brigade ambulance for the A+E work to show how it all works and how it's all abuse also, show people the amount of resources and the waste of resources that goes into picking drunks up,cut fingers, 4 week belly aches,and try and get rid of the "sure i'll be seen quicker by ambulance theory" people have in this city, at least the calls are guaranteed, with 90k calls a year more than any other service in this country it would be a fantastic medium to educate people of the dublin area.
and yes cover the neonate and high dependency units, and the patient transfers from down the country.
that was on my original post in the first place

am i back on track now nog

Yes, good to get back on track.
But the DFB and the calls you've mentioned have already been covered in "D Watch" and this programme is for the country of Ireland, not just to "educate" the people of Dublin.
I might add that the HSE also get those type of calls.

One of the most positive changes to effect the Ambulance Service (aside from PHECC and new advanced skills) was the abolition of the old Health Boards and the introduction of a National Ambulance Service instead of 8 or 10 regional services all singing from different hymn sheets.
Now we are governed by one director/chief and regional chiefs but the difference is we are now a National service singing from the ONE hymn sheet.

The National Ambulance Service is also in the middle of probably the biggest recruitment drive of any state service in recent times with almost every ambulance station in the country currently teaching intern paramedic students as well as both training institutions in Dublin and Galway having lists of recruits lined up.

The profile of the HSE Ambulance Service has certainly been heightened with the introduction of the National service and high profile recruitment campaign.

Now is the perfect time to show the people of Ireland, not just Dublin, exactly what the Ambulance Service has to offer, not just emergency calls but also other important areas of health care on offer with the ambulance service throughout our small nation. I just hope that this TV programme does it justice.

jake59

Bang Bang wrote: »

Again I'll say it. This programme is about the Ambulance Service. The work of the Ambulance Service is not all about emergency calls, there is much more to the service than running around with sirens wailing and blue lights flashing, although some out there, and here, appear to believe that's what it's all about.

The inference here is that there are ambulance drivers who are only ambulance drivers to fly around on blue lights in a dangerous manner.

I think the whole thing with the DFB v HSE is that both bodies have a different attitude to the work they do. Hopefully the new batch coming into the HSE are enthusiastic and professional in their job.

Para1

ivabiggon wrote: »

your right i'll refrain from the "my ambos faster than your ambo talk"
but to get back to the original topic, would it not be better for the camera crew to cover the dublin fire brigade ambulance for the A+E work to show how it all works and how it's all abuse also, show people the amount of resources and the waste of resources that goes into picking drunks up,cut fingers, 4 week belly aches,and try and get rid of the "sure i'll be seen quicker by ambulance theory" people have in this city, at least the calls are guaranteed, with 90k calls a year more than any other service in this country it would be a fantastic medium to educate people of the dublin area.


I have a solution , why not film in the other 25 counties where 99 %of the " A+E " work as you put it, is done by the HSE crews ! How about in limerick,cork or galway!! We dont have the luxury of a tender at each arrest and can be as far away as 2 hours from a hospital with only a crew of two! highlight that!!!! we put up with " picking drunks up,cut fingers, 4 week belly aches" as well !! how much of our time is wasted traveling too and from these calls when the patient may be an hour away!!! Highlight that!!!

ivabiggon

trust me that D watch thing was embarrassing, i was working in no.3 when they were filming and ask for my face to be faded out. not a good representation of the every day life in a fire station, or on the ambulance or truck.
mind you the management tried there best to make us look ridiculous there were some very good rescues at fires that were edited out cos of the same thing that was experienced with the recent gardai fly on the wall,one in particular on the north circular road, rescue from a window but people here have the right to refuse to be filmed unlike the UK, they seem to have a bit more freedom just by fading the public face.
don't know the legal side of it but thats the way it is here.
if you noticed in D watch the District officers car that followed the ambulance had the recording device on the breaster in the back of the ambulance, but they never showed the face or body and never filmed inside the beefer or never was let into the A+E either.
bit pointless really.
i watched a programme on tv last evening of an English reporter in the states travelling with the cops and they were allowed to display bad language and videos of BID's without obscuring their faces.
can you imagine if that was allowed here.. shock horror???
oh and the cops didn't hold back on the punches or the language either they spoke it and showed it like it was in every day life.

Shield

jake59 and ivabiggon both infracted for not following moderator instructions as above.

This is not a joke. On this forum, if a moderator gives an instruction, you follow it. This thread is about a new TV show. Talk about only that TV show. If you want to talk about something else, make a new thread.

Now let's try it again... back on topic.

Random

The more of these shows we have for Irish ES the better. They're a massive hit in other countries so why not here.

Looking forward to it.