3 NBS - Here we go! Now where's my router?

RedLedbetter

Ok, so as of today my ED (Paddock, Mountrath, Laois) has got a green for go on Three's NBS map and Blue on their mobile broadband map,now it's simply a question of getting hooked up and my broadband woes are no more! Hey, I'm not going to be synical (this should really be a blog), if I get issues, then I'll raise them...... 5 mins later

ISSUE 1. What happened to a wireless router for NBS Internet access throughout the house? Looking on Three's website, it appears there is no router - it's a Huawei E180. What the hell????? Oh I get it - they failed to leave out the part that you've to go around and plug this f^^king thing into every device that needs it, as in the XBox, my laptop, my work laptop, my wifes laptop and my server? Or just go and buy one for every device.

Ok, what are the chances of all devices being used at once? Well there's every chance my kids will be using the XBox online, while my wife and I are using are laptops, as we both work in IT and both provide remote support.

Wow, I'm amazed I'm let down by this "solution" already and I haven't even got to placing the order yet. Stay tuned, that should be fun!!

watty

There was NEVER a Wireless router on offer.

It's a 3G repeater. Very less useful.
see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61082416&postcount=59

Still needs a Dongle per device.

Not only that, 5 users on a SINGLE 3G USB dongle via a real ethernet/WiFi router is over 30% to 50% more efficent/faster for the 3G network!

A few thread here on REAL routers for 3G. (Dovado is one) http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1147

They obviously don't understand what they are doing, in one sense, as the Repeater is more expensive than a Router and poorer performance (you can fit a Router on the Chimney with a Directional Aerial and POE single CAT5 cable indoors to a switch/Airpoint).
Of course with their solution each user needs a subscription.

Buy your own Router.

Emerson

From the network's perspective, it's a good way to boost network coverage in homes and business in areas where signal is likely to be poor at best. Thus leading to improved potential call revenue.

watty

Slightly helpful for Mobile Phones (in very large office, warehouse or mansion), near useless for Data compared with a Router.

See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055601880
A pico cell or Femto cell works x10 better to do this, except it needs a real Broadband host.

The application for an INDOOR "repeater" is EXTREMELY limited. Especially since the two parts use poor penetration 5.xGHz to connect.

Since it's indoor only and wireless, it can't help bad reception due to K-Glass double glazing. It's totally the wrong solution for the problem and only a very small help in a tiny percentage of situations. A femto or pico always works better, but if you have Broadband, you'd not be bothering with this rubbish NBS and/or 3G data solutions indoors.

Emerson wrote: »

From the network's perspective, it's a good way to boost network coverage in homes and business in areas where signal is likely to be poor at best. Thus leading to improved potential call revenue.

There you have it. It and the NBS is to sell more Mobile Phone calls, not really for "Broadband" at all.

RedLedbetter

Watty - is there any particular 3G router you'd recommend? It's not a cop out on my part :-) I've checked the forums and online and I do like the look of the Draytek 2820n, but am more familiar with the Linksys routers and currently have a WRT54GS, so am swaying towards the WRT54G3G???

I was looking (ok, foolishly maybe) to upgrade my router anyway to wireless-N, so I'm kind of looking for a router for home use (albeit I have a server, XBox, Philips WACS, external storage and several laptops) that is somewhat future complient, if you like. Although I'd like to be able to ditch the 3G modem if/when a somewhat decent DSL connection is available, I don't see that happening for me anytime soon, so I'm not really that bothered on whether it's a wireless-G or wireless-N router.

So, basically I'd just like to get your (or anyone elses) opinion - FYI my modem is the Three E180 for NBS.

Cheers

watty

It's just about possible to put a 3G USB modem on a WRT54G3G, but there is no native support. It only has a PCMCIA slot. Unless they are suppling it with a PCMCIA USB adaptor and updated firmware.

Dovado, Solwise, draytek, edimax, DLink, Netgear, Linksys/Cisco etc. I don't know which particular models support the E180

You can't install drivers. What ever router you get has to natively already have the driver (some auto detect, others have a menu) for the modem you alreay have. Research and Post on Midband Forum

Blaster99

Use Internet Connection Sharing on one of the PC's in your house and stick the 3G USB modem into it and connect the WAN port of a wireless router to the ethernet port of the PC. Not quite as elegant as a dedicated router as you need to have the PC powered on but it's cheap and if you have a wireless router already then it's obviously free. I'm sure you can get a decent wireless router for €50 these days which compares favourably with a router that can take a 3G modem. From memory they're in the region of €200.

watty

You'll save the cost of a 3G router in electricity and 3G Routers are from €70.
example
http://solwise.ie/3g-routers.htm

You and I can probably get ICS to work, but it's buggy and plagued with security issues. An older laptop with XP (or better but harder to configure Linux) would be a possibility. Really even on XP a 3rd party software NAT like Wingate (I know orginally a Proxy only) is far superior to ICS.

cgarvey

Watch that SoloWise.ie site, which has some nasties on it (details).

cgarvey

Moved IrelandOffline > Midband

foggy_lad

They obviously don't understand what they are doing, in one sense, as the Repeater is more expensive than a Router and poorer performance (you can fit a Router on the Chimney with a Directional Aerial and POE single CAT5 cable indoors to a switch/Airpoint).
Of course with their solution each user needs a subscription.

they want people using one dongle for each pc/laptop thus increasing their revenue and making it look like they have more customers than they actually have!

Walkman

foggy_lad wrote: »

they want people using one dongle for each pc/laptop thus increasing their revenue and making it look like they have more customers than they actually have!

Foggy your talking rubbish again. 3 will sell you a router if you want one and infact will give you a discount on it if buying at the same time as the modem, so no they do not want everyone using a seperate modem.

watty

@walkman
Which router?

This is what they advertise for the NBS
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055601880
It's not a router.

This is what they offer NBS customers.
It's a 3G repeater using a licence free 5.xGHz WiFi link that is not available to the user. It's not a router. Each user needs a separate 3G subscription and dongle.

Anyone show me a link to ANY router on 3's website or a scan of ANY 3 brochure with a router and price?

There is MENTION of a router

New to 3 Broadband
3 Broadband is what you get when you use one of our USB modems to connect to the internet. It's available on both 3Pay and Pay Monthly, so you can pick the package that best suits you. Plus, you don't need to already be a 3 customer to get it.

Broadband from 3 is different to fixed broadband because you can take it with you – wherever you go. You don't need to be near a phone line, wireless hub or hotspot.

And if you have more than one computer, you can easily swap your modem between them, as long as you have the correct software installed on each.

However, you can't connect more than one computer to the internet at the same time unless you get the D100 wireless router which allows more that one PC to access the broadband supplied through your modem.

http://www.three.ie/support/getting-started-and-installation-guides.htm

3 UK sell it.
http://www.3-contracts.co.uk/d100-wireless-router-on-3-mobile.html

It gets bad reviews. Slows speed to about 2/3rds or worse. I guess underpowered because it's a portable gadget and not true desktop router like the Dovado or Dlink.
http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2008/10/three_wifi_3g_router_crap.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B001OL8E2U
http://kiphakes.com/?p=64



Other people sell Routers for 3G/HSPA.

Walkman

Watty I dont recall saying others don't sell the router.
The router is available in any 3store (not sure about CPW or 3G/independants).
I also was not here to comment on the performance of the router only that it is available and to point out to Foggy Lad that his comment was clearly misinformed. Problem?
There is a sperate issue here. The NBS promises coverage and nothing else (not a router) so why would it be part of the NBS?
Watty with all due respect you seem to be knocking 3 at every turn (I can except that if they fail to deliver on their NBS promises but lack of advertising a router....come on this has nothing to do the NBS and you know it)

watty

Which Router?

Why Do I knock 3?

1) They misrepresent 3G/HDPA worse than any Mobile Operator, they sell it as Broadband, not even Mobile
2) They claim to be best, but are the poorest operator for Data. Their "ISP" is amongst the worst in Ireland.
3) Their coverage maps are consistently overstated hugely compared to Vodafone.
4) Their choice of supplier for Satellite for NBS is terrible. They appear to have cosen cheapest solution without proper research.
5) Their claims on Tender for NBS don't stand up to scrutiny even using their base Station vendors info.
6) They are selling basic Data package way below cost so charge massive premium on over cap.
7) They claim 10Gbyte a month is huge Cap. It's large for Mobile (too large) but well below normal on Broadband.
8) Their national poster and newspaper campaign is totally misleading.
9) The NBS "indoor repeater" offer rather than an outdoor mounted Router/Radio connected by Cat5 POE is clueless and does not help coverage more than a tiny amount. Using an outdoor router would triple coverage.
10) Their sole router product is designed to travel/ Portable convenience use, not fixed Home/Business like a Dovado.
11) They are selling a product designed for occasional Mobile used for all day Fixed use, so their sectors are congested.
12) The NBS rollout is simply them getting maybe 15% to 20% toward cost of their phone mast roll out that they have to do anyway to meet their 2007 licence coverage deadline (if Comreg pro actively measured their real coverage), it's a rollout planned at least 4 years ago. Nothing to do with NBS, but phone coverage.
13) All mobile companies "oversell" their Data packages, Vodafone the least and 3 Ireland by far the most blatant.
14) It's a bunch of Hong Kong people expert in Marketing selling phone contracts. I see no serious ISP or Engineering commitment here in Ireland in terms of "3 Ireland" staff & facilities.
15) The only 3G only network. 3G uses W-CDMA. It's less reliable than GSM/GPRS/EDGE for connections due to Breathing
16) On their new rollout and NBS they make a great noise about LTE. They have NO LTE licence and LTE works with no existing modem/phone. The exist bases can't be used for LTE unless the majority of people have changed to LTE on new bases on a different band and 3 gets an LTE licence. That could be 10 years away if it ever happens. LTE and 3G/HSPA are totally incompatible and difference licence. Initially different bands. More Hype.

I do think 3G/HSPA and GSM/EDGE is a convenient technology for Mobile use. Using it for Fixed use makes the performance about x5 to x20 worse for Mobile users, who can use no other technology.

For various reasons 2G and 3G Mobile Internet can NEVER deliver Broadband. LTE (4G) if it gets 20MHz rather tan 5MHz channels (which is not 100% sure in Ireland) on a decent band, will deliver at economical loading about entry level DSL, i.e. about 1/10th the performance that the 2004 Oireachtas Committee recommended for Broadband by 2008, and 1/100th of the performance of UPCs best package in 2010. LTE can't realistically be here till 2013.

There is no separate NBS physical network. The NBS is purely a contract between 3 and the Government. The only extra ingredient is free Satellite Install (supposed to be since June, not till next year now) for 5% people per ED with no coverage. People can only sign up otherwise to the Identical Modem, quality, network and pricing that there is for "non" NBS customers. There is just a 3 Rollout. If the NBS was abolished tomorrow the ONLY difference would be lack of the non-existent satellite service.

Background Reading

• Is Mobile in Ireland Destroying Broadband Infrastructure? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055619459
• The Irksome Cellphone Industry http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055631852
• Mobile Speeds http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055627195
• Mobile users face stiff penalties http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055635462
• 3 Coverage http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055613768
• Mobile History Lesson http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055620862
• Why Mobile is inherently 10 to 20 times worse than Fixed Wireless, and understanding 3G/HSPA speed http://www.radioway.info/comparewireless/CompareHSPAandFixed-v4.html
• 3 Ireland NAT/Proxy http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055560770
• Australia scraps its NBS and does a new fibre plan http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055532297

foggy_lad

Walkman wrote: »

Foggy your talking rubbish again. 3 will sell you a router if you want one and infact will give you a discount on it if buying at the same time as the modem, so no they do not want everyone using a seperate modem.

more misinformed inaccurate three propoganda

walkman you have stated twice that three offer a router in store but when asked you fail to give any details of it, is it a secret three project that you cant give a maker or model number? i presume you have seen these routers and have proof they exist? can you please provide some more information on these routers.

why have the great marketing machine that is hutchinson 3g ireland not advertised this router as part of their national and nbs advertising?

watty

If they sell a router, it's this one.
http://www.3-contracts.co.uk/d100-wireless-router-on-3-mobile.html
It maybe "instore" but it's not online, apart from one mention:

New to 3 Broadband
3 Broadband is what you get when you use one of our USB modems to connect to the internet.
...

However, you can't connect more than one computer to the internet at the same time unless you get the D100 wireless router which allows more that one PC to access the broadband supplied through your modem.

From http://www.three.ie/support/getting-started-and-installation-guides.htm

RedLedbetter

Walkman - have you actually asked for the router in a Three store? The only reason I ask is that I specifically asked the Three Customer Care Rep (over
the phone) if there was any possibility of purchasing a 3G router and I was told there wasn't - only the repeater.

What router do they sell in the stores, if they do sell one? To be honest, I tend to veer away from routers provided by service suppliers as they tend to be of lower quality with inflated price - now, I know that's synical, but that's just my attitude.

In Threes defence (and I'm no advocate at all of the 3g midband solution for NBS) - the download speed I'm getting is @ 1.7 mbps and 1.09 mbps upload (http://www.irishisptest.com/). Ok, that's a long way off the 5 mbps max download and NOT at peak time, with few connections in the cell, but that's not bad. I'll monitoring though, see how long that last as the connections increase.

watty

What's your latency/Ping?
What is speed at 8pm?

So in a new NBS ED with few customers signed up you only just get past the 1.2Mbps limit. In 6mths it's likely then you wont get that speed.

Blaster99

I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the topic of the thread (which as I pointed out before is easy and cheap to solve regardless of what 3 provides) but I was downloading some stuff the other evening on my older 3 HSDPA modem (I think it's limited to 3Mbps) and got a steady 1.7Mbps at peak time. I didn't do this in an NBS area if that matters. For something as flexible as mobile internet, it's not half bad. I'm sure the latency is bad but Skype is working fine, for instance.

I tend to find that the signal strength is more of an issue than contention, to be honest. I'm mainly using the service in rural areas so maybe uptake is poor. I can't say this is a conclusive survey or anything but I know people in Dublin who use 3G internet and they seem happy with it too. We're not talking people who're downloading massively here but your average YouTube/e-mail/Facebook type of user. I don't really understand why people use it if there are alternatives available but for a lot of people the flexibility outweighs the performance limitations. Choice is a good thing at the end of the day.

watty

It's a distribution curve that is very wide. Some people will get very good speeds and some very bad.

It is a flexible system ideal for portable use. But what it isn't is EVER a general alternative to real Broadband technology as about 25% will only have ISDN speeds and less than 50% will have entry level DSL speeds.

The OP is about the fact that while 3 offers an almost entirely useless very expensive repeater free, they were unable to sell at any price a far more useful Router.

A router can be got easily elsewhere. It's possible to stick it in a box with a decent aerial on the Chimney or whatever to seriously improve coverage. The conclusion is that either 3 are clueless or are more interested in Mobile Phone subscription and extra NBS numbers than providing a Broadband service.

It's of the nature of 3G/HSPA that anecdotal evidence of good speed or bad speed is not a useful indication. Basic Physics & Mathematics show that there is a distribtuion of speed from "no-connection" and from 0.05Mbps up to 3.6, 7.2 or 14.4MBps.

It scales badly too as twice the number of users can mean 1/4 to 1/8th speed per user. This is all facts published by Qualcomm, Ericsson, Nokia-Siemens-Networks etc. The Marketing people don't want the public to know that Upto 7.2Mbps also equally means Down to 0.05Mbps, lack of connection, dropped connections and huge variation of speed during transfers.

Blaster99

In fairness, you have lots of theoretical notions about lots of things that seemingly most people don't care about. Be it about the usefulness of 40" HD TV's or in this case the mobile internet. Since when was technological perfection ever an indicator of a product's worthiness? As I said, I know of a lot of people who can get super duper broadband (by Irish standards) and still choose to use 3G dongles. Price, flexibility, don't need anything better, etc. These people don't really care about your contention predictions but are happily continuing on with their less than perfect internet experience.

I have no idea why 3 doesn't do a router. Probably because their competitors don't either. Bringing out a product is costly and I guess they want to be sure there is a market. I think there is a market for it and so do you, but that's neither here nor there. In the meantime, if we go beyond whinging about 3, there are easy ways to solve the problem. If there isn't such a thing already, maybe we can even do a sticky about it? That would nearly be constructive.

watty

There are two stickies on Routers.
3 do sell a router in the UK. They offer a much more expensive fairly useless Repeater.

The information about contention is not just theory but fact. For many people Mobile 3GInternet is OK. But it's not and never will be broadband. People are being lied to and tied into 12month or 18month contracts where unlike real broadband the performance can dramatically reduce over 3 to 6 months as more customers are added.

This is not the same as HDTV issue. If someone buys a 26" HDTV they still get HDTV, it may not be much advantange over a regular TV unless they are closer to it than average or sharper than average eye sight. But it is what it claims to be. You can see what you are getting and that won't change. That's not the situation with misselling of 3G Mobile.

I've over 20 years experience with Communications Systems, radio and data. It's my main college and post college training. I've spent about 5 years research Mobile Data, 3 of them for a Major Wireless ISP. I've research and compared 4 completely different Fixed Wireless Broadband, 3 Nomadic Internet Wireless systems and about 7 Mobile Internet/Data systems. I've had direct access to equipment vendors and had demos & seminars at their HQs and customer sites.

You have only anecdotal evidence. I have papers and measuremenst done by the people that sell equiment to 3, O2, Meteor, Vodafone, Imagine/IBB, Digiweb and Clearwire.

I've actually designed systems and correctly predicted the performance of IP over AX.25 systems, Fixed Wireless Broadband and one hybrid Nomadic/Fixed Wireless system that can give "entry level" broadband.

No CDMA based system will ever give decent scalable performance. Thats why 3G/UMTS/W-CDMA is a dead end and the last of its kind. The 4G LTE and Mobile WiMax are so much better because they are totally incompatible. Even then they need x4 the spectrum of 3G channels to deliver entry level Broadband at an econmic level of cell customer base.

Walkman

foggy_lad wrote: »

more misinformed inaccurate three propoganda

walkman you have stated twice that three offer a router in store but when asked you fail to give any details of it, is it a secret three project that you cant give a maker or model number? i presume you have seen these routers and have proof they exist? can you please provide some more information on these routers.

why have the great marketing machine that is hutchinson 3g ireland not advertised this router as part of their national and nbs advertising?

Foggy I do not answer to you or anyone here on boards, so if I am requested to do something by someone here on boards I will if I so wish and if I don't I wont. If you wanted to find out about the router you just have to read over watty's posts where he clearly named the router but if you fail to find it here you are:

However, you can't connect more than one computer to the internet at the same
time unless you get the D100 wireless router which allows more that one PC to
...

http://www.three.ie/support/getting-started-and-installation-guides.htm


Also you can walk into your local 3Store in Carlow and ask them about the router.
Not exactly misinformed, inaccurate or 3 propoganda I think you will find....just a router that is available in your local 3Sore:D

watty

That's the same link I found that is the poor performance "pocket/travel" router sold on 3 UK web site.

I think anyone would be better with a true desktop Router Model like mentioned in the stickies. The point is that the display stands and leaflets and sales people for 3 only mention the Repeater, which is no real help at all.

RedLedbetter

So I've ordered the Linksys WRT54G3GV2 and awaiting arrival.... one thing I'm curious about though - with the 15GB monthly cap with 3, how is data upload/download measured when you are connected to the 3/NBS network via the router?

Is data continually being download/uploaded from your account, even when not accessing the network yourself, but simply by having the router on (albeit a small amount of data)?

Do you need to connect to the 3/NBS network via the local "Mobile Partner" GUI on every desktop accessing the network?

Also, wasn't too impressed with Deon from 3 calling me up yesterday - not knowing I had the NBS dongle already, but more concerned about selling me a 3 phone, now that 3 network is in our area!!! This is the type of bull**** I knew 3 would get up to once the NBS network came in. We don't need a 3 mobile network in our area, we need a broadband (MIDBAND) network and now that we have one (MIDBAND), 3 are going to f^^k as many phones onto it as possible. Yes, I know essentially they are utilising different protocols, but not in every case.

watty

When using the Router you don't use any 3 software.

The usage is on a 3 web page.

No, it's just 3's mobile phone network. That's all 3 has a licence for. The phone calls use the same w-CDMA signalling on the same channel and reduce the space /time available for Data. The Internet connection is a logical layer on the physical Mobile Phone network. There is no separate PHYSICAL NBS or Internet Network.

The sale of Mobile Phone contracts is roughly 500x more profitable than USB data dongle contracts on their network.

foggy_lad

Walkman wrote: »

Foggy I do not answer to you or anyone here on boards, so if I am requested to do something by someone here on boards I will if I so wish and if I don't I wont. If you wanted to find out about the router you just have to read over watty's posts where he clearly named the router but if you fail to find it here you are:

However, you can't connect more than one computer to the internet at the same
time unless you get the D100 wireless router which allows more that one PC to
...

http://www.three.ie/support/getting-started-and-installation-guides.htm


Also you can walk into your local 3Store in Carlow and ask them about the router.
Not exactly misinformed, inaccurate or 3 propoganda I think you will find....just a router that is available in your local 3Sore:D

that D100 is not available in any three store that i have checked in! they all have leaflets about the repeater which is not the same thing.

you were simply asked to back up a statement you made about routers being available in three stores.

RedLedbetter

That being the case Watty (no need for any software connection using the router) - how is my monthly allowance affected by constantly having the router "open" to the 3 network, even when not using it?

TouchingVirus

The router will do the same as the dongle, it'll dial a number using the same Access Point Network (APN) as your 3 dialup software. You'll probably have to set these things when you get your router, information is available online.

If you router is completely idle (and I mean completely), then it won't be making any use of your connection and there will be no traffic accrued. Now if you've fancy things on your router like QoS which will periodically send out traffic to measure your QoS then leaving your router on all the time will incur some traffic usage. Very often with my Dovado UMR I'll waste 1KB or 2KB of traffic when the UMR goes through the dialup sequence (handshaking I assume). But other than that 1 or 2kb there'll be nothing else because we're all asleep

What good is a home internet router if you don't leave it on all the time and let it do it's job

RedLedbetter

Cheers TV! Ye, that was exactly my thinking - I don't want to have to stop/start the router, I want it always on as you mentioned. Cool, well I can always monitor my usage over the month and see how I'm doing.

No doubt I'll be back onto you guys when I'm trying to configure, but I'll give it a shot myself and see how I go.

Cheers

TouchingVirus

Public APN (first choice): 3internet
Private APN (backup): 3ireland.ie

Just incase you need that info. You might even get all this info from your dial up software, I've no experience with the 3 software

Walkman

foggy_lad wrote: »

that D100 is not available in any three store that i have checked in! they all have leaflets about the repeater which is not the same thing.

you were simply asked to back up a statement you made about routers being available in three stores.

Yes and I did, go into a 3Store ask them about the router, i think its €99 (don't quote me). They have them, I asked in Henry Street today and was even shown one.
Your local 3Store is Carlow, if you want me to help you I can call them and get someone's name for you (I'm sure you are capable of going in yourself and asking about it), if not I am not sure how you expect me to back it up short of us meeting up and me taking you by the hand into the store and showing it to you....anything else???

watty

foggy_lad wrote: »

that D100 is not available in any three store that i have checked in! they all have leaflets about the repeater which is not the same thing.

you were simply asked to back up a statement you made about routers being available in three stores.

I don't recommend the D100 other than for travel/pocket use, that's why there is a battery option (not supplied in UK).

Linksys, Dlink, Draytek, Dovado, Netgear all superior routers. Also there is Edimax and Solwise.

There are a couple of other portable routers too like the D100.

None of the 3 Modem and 3 NBS resellers I visited in Limerick had any 3G router or the D100, just leaflets on the Repeater.

foggy_lad

RedLedbetter wrote: »

Cheers TV! Ye, that was exactly my thinking - I don't want to have to stop/start the router, I want it always on as you mentioned. Cool, well I can always monitor my usage over the month and see how I'm doing.

No doubt I'll be back onto you guys when I'm trying to configure, but I'll give it a shot myself and see how I go.

Cheers

the three dongle is not always on so unless your router is capable of redailling the connection it should knock itself off every few hours or even more frequently!

i find it very odd that three dont advertise this D100 router but really they want to be able to sell people several of their modems(one for each connection required). are they not supposed to provide a proper router for the NBS customers??

watty

no ethernet point required. Criminal lack in the contract.
The Original NBS document had different maps and spec to the contract signed with 3.

You don't want a D100 or the MiFi router with WiFi only and no ethernet that 3 is replacing it (or adding) with in the UK
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055642339

foggy_lad

they are selling what appears to be a cheap service but if you have 3-5 people in a household all needing wifi/internet connection then several of three's dongles will be required at a staggering cost compared to proper broadband!

€79x5=€395 for the mobile internet dongles plus €100 per month if 5 of these are required!

compare that to eircom 3mb with a landline and evening and weekend calls for free plus free mobile calls for €52/month

TouchingVirus

foggy_lad wrote: »

they are selling what appears to be a cheap service but if you have 3-5 people in a household all needing wifi/internet connection then several of three's dongles will be required at a staggering cost compared to proper broadband!

€79x5=€395 for the mobile internet dongles plus €100 per month if 5 of these are required!

compare that to eircom 3mb with a landline and evening and weekend calls for free plus free mobile calls for €52/month

Or if you get a reasonable connection with it you could just purchase a 3G router like most sane people :P

RedLedbetter

Just carrying on my plight.... I've created a new post (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055645872) as new but related topic - I purchased the Linksys WRT54G3GV2-VF router on the incorrect assumption that my 3 USB dongle was a E220, which of course it isn't, it's the E180, which is not on the compatibility list for the WRT54G3GV2-VF!

Anyways, if you could check it out, if any of you are interested or have any rotten tomatoes you wish to dispose of by chucking in my direction!!!

Starting to think that sometimes you should just go along with the supplier.....