Ireland to take in Guantanamo Prisoners

Pal

Fair dues.

next we will be accepting Texan backpackers.

The_Minister

Am I the only one who is worried that they might be guilty?

WIZE

Guilty or not , the public will never know when or where they will arrive or what they look like . For all we know they could arrive tomorrow or in two years .As well as that Im sure there homes will be under Surveillance and the phones tapped .a bit of Irish CIA

Smart Bug

Hopefully they'll start a jihad against FF.

Sposs

I think its fair to say, after 5 years of torture from the american army looking for answers as to their guilt, that theres a good chance their innocent.

Wertz

This is just what the country needs, some real insurgents...and just in time for the overthrow of the FF government.

bigeasyeah

I miss George W. Bush.

Nodin

bigeasyeah wrote: »

I miss George W. Bush.

Shares in Weapons companies?

General Zod

do they eat swans?

superbad50

nothing surprises me anymore with this government :mad:

Nodin

General Zod wrote: »

do they eat swans?

Plov is the Uzbek national dish, made with mutton and rice and flavored with onion and spices (particularly cumin).
Plov varies by region and is also found in other central Asian countries. The most popular versions, aside from that made with mutton or lamb, are those made with chicken and dried fruit, shuyud plov (dill), kishmish plov (grapes), sudlu ash (milk), giyma plov (finely ground meat, potatoes and chick peas), sabzi plov (green vegetables) and fisinjan (grenadine, walnuts and chicken).

http://www.theworldwidegourmet.com/recipes/plov-with-mutton-or-lamb/

They are also fond of the tae....no mention of swan or children, so they're one up on the christian brothers there at least.

Rented Mule

If these people weren't inclined to terrorist acts before they were detained, they sure as hell are going to be afterwards.

I am willing to the bet that they are some people north of Bellmullet that would love to put them up for a while.

Rented Mule

bigeasyeah wrote: »

I miss George W. Bush.

Reload

....and keep firing.

Rented Mule

General Zod wrote: »

do they eat swans?

Just the infidel swans.

thelordofcheese

The_Minister wrote: »

Am I the only one who is worried that they might be guilty?

Your not the only one, but that's because people make a link between gitmo and slavering radical loons who'd kill us all if they had a chance.

Also, they're releasing these people because after 5 or so years of holding them, they've finally copped that they don't know shit and have done nothing. it's not like they're just letting everyone out or anything like that.

I'm sure there was a thread on this six or so months back, i imagine this one will head down the same road of moral outrage and indignation based on nothing at all.

greyed

Exactly who's wishes are these guys representing!!?? Their politics are insane!! I am ****ing close to wielding a big ****ing torch!

Cookie_Monster

Surely more people on welfare is the last thing this state needs, cos lets be honest they ain't gonna be expected to work/ leave house etc in case they are found out by the vigilates among us

Nodin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Surely more people on welfare is the last thing this state needs, cos lets be honest they ain't gonna be expected to work/ leave house etc in case they are found out by the vigilates among us

Seeing as nobodies bothered lynching any Christian Brothers, Rosminians etc, I doubt they're going to be arsed with these two.

Biggins

I wonder what we are getting in return for doing this service?
And if nothing - WHY???

thelordofcheese

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what we are getting in return for doing this service?
And if nothing - WHY???

Political capital?
Goodwill?

I doubt we'd get anything tangible, if that's what you're wondering.

greyed wrote: »

Exactly who's wishes are these guys representing!!?? Their politics are insane!! I am ****ing close to wielding a big ****ing torch!

Mine, it would seem.

And i'm not seeing the insanity in it, unless of course you're worried that group of poor bastards who've spent the last ages in gitmo will come over here and overthrow the government, thus putting keyboard warriors all over AH to shame.

JONJO THE MISER

My God this is insane, we are leaving in terrorists in now, this is all we need, some radical muslims preaching hatred of the west here in Ireland:mad:

this is completely retarded. we didn't lock them up, america deal with your own problems.

Nodin

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

My God this is insane, we are leaving in terrorists in now,

Terrorists? In Ireland? Holy Jaysus!!!!!!!!!!!

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

this is all we need, some radical muslims preaching hatred of the west here in Ireland:mad:

...didn't see anything about their intentions there in the news article......

Snowie

Chance a big back hand going to the government ?

JONJO THE MISER

I think the American goverment is paying like 200,000 per prisioner to rehouse them here in Ireland.

My name is URL

Thing is, even if they are innocent, they're undoubtedly gonna have a huge western chip on their shoulders after been locked up and probably tortured =/

Ruu_Old

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what we are getting in return for doing this service?
And if nothing - WHY???

Probably zip because the Irish government has no backbone as we all know would gladly bend over for Obama and company, no questions asked. We'll foot the bill, keep the money in your pocket, Obama.

El Siglo

This is ridiculous, the gov't can barely accommodate it's own prisoners at present, how are they going to cope with these lads? All I can say is, I can't wait to see the welcome sign into Portlaoise: "Failte go Portlaoise! Twinned with Guantanamo Bay"

Cookie_Monster

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I think the American goverment is paying like 200,000 per prisioner to rehouse them here in Ireland.

That's quite a lot. Surely the Americans could have "arranged" for these people to mysteriously disappear for a lot less.

thelordofcheese

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

My God this is insane, we are leaving in terrorists in now, this is all we need, some radical muslims preaching hatred of the west here in Ireland:mad:

Except they aren't terrorists.
Firstly, from the US themselves

1.Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.

Linkey

So out of everyone in there we have 8% of actual al Qaeda members.

right, but 8% is still alot cheese, you left-liberal loon, AND YOU SAID THEY WEREN'T TERRORISTS! i hear you say.

Yes, and now we do some simple math.

Of the remaining 240 at Guantanamo, 100 are considered too dangerous to be released from custody; 80 could face criminal charges in US courts but could be freed if acquitted; and 60 have been cleared for release (and it's as low as 30 in some reports), but cannot be sent home because their own countries would likely harm them. URL="http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/foreign/display.var.2484800.0.EU_leaders_are_willing_to_take_Guantanamo_Bay_prisoners.php"]Link[/URL (including some 17 chinese muslims who will most likely be relocated to the US)

So, we're talking about 60(max) to 13(min) people spread amongst a good chunk of the EU (because several EU countries have also made noises about accepting Guantanamo detainees, and it's up the the people themselves to decide where to go)

ok, so, is that all cleared up? Can we stop acting like hysterical children now?

Wertz

My name is URL wrote: »

Thing is, even if they are innocent, they're undoubtedly gonna have a huge western chip on their shoulders after been locked up and probably tortured =/

...and if they haven't, a couple of years dealing with living on another prison island, only one with a much sh*ttier climate, should be enough to push them over the edge.

In all fairness though, the Irish and UK governements saw fit to releasing people convicted of an equal or greater level of terrorism and violence on to the streets back in 2000...400+ of them. I can't see another two causing that much trouble, unless they finally get around to building that nuke they've beeen ahnkering after...

JONJO THE MISER

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/09/report-obama-administration-talks-palau-resettle-uighur-detainees/

The population in palau is 20,000 and there accepting 17 ex gitmo people. It will look like paradise to them,but i dunno how many virgins there is there:pac:

Purple Gorilla

People need to realise that we are America's bitch. When Obama says jump, we say how high.

ScumLord

My name is URL wrote: »

Thing is, even if they are innocent, they're undoubtedly gonna have a huge western chip on their shoulders after been locked up and probably tortured =/

Ah sure we'll soon begora that out of them. They'll think we're the nicest people in the world after coming from Gitmo. Cups of tea, TV, full Irish breakfast the morning after a few scoops.

When they do escape they'll leave Ireland with found memories and photos that they can actually show the relatives.

I assume the US will be covering the cost of these prisoners?

Nodin

El Siglo wrote: »

This is ridiculous, the gov't can barely accommodate it's own prisoners at present, how are they going to cope with these lads? All I can say is, I can't wait to see the welcome sign into Portlaoise: "Failte go Portlaoise! Twinned with Guantanamo Bay"

They aren't being locked up here.

DaveMaC

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what we are getting in return for doing this service?
And if nothing - WHY???

What we're getting is membership of the international community you Dolt! Thats how the world works, when it works: We all chip in and sort out little problems like what to do with INNOCENT (ie; no evidence, no charges) victims of illegal detention and torture, who cant be sent home because their own governments are NOT part of the happy family of nations.

greyed

greyed wrote: »

Exactly who's wishes are these guys representing!!?? Their politics are insane!! I am ****ing close to wielding a big ****ing torch!

Aaahhhhhhh, whups

They are not being locked up here, they are settling here... this is grand... as you were.

El Siglo

Nodin wrote: »

They aren't being locked up here.

Oh thank God I was worried that Gilligan and all the lads in Portlaoise Prison would have to put up with hardened Taliban who've spent the last 5 years in gitmo!

Morlar

I think the americans have some nerve to create this issue then expect lapdog governments around the world to pick up the pieces.

Who the **** to amnesty int think they are lecturing us anyway ?

As for the media reports, on one side a) the govt (patting themselves on the back for such a great idea this is), on the other b) amnesty international (patting the govt on the back for such a great idea this is), what about c) representing the people who are NOT overly fond of taking in and paying for international jihadist suspects & their families ?

Nodin

Morlar wrote: »

I think the americans have some nerve to create this issue then expect lapdog governments around the world to pick up the pieces.

Who the **** to amnesty int think they are lecturing us anyway ? ?

They lecture everybody. Thats what they do.

What the Americans did was ask Governments who'd criticised Guantananamo to take prisoners in. We did, so we are, which is more than can be said of others. Its the right thing to do.

Morlar wrote: »

representing the people who are NOT overly fond of taking in and paying for international jihadist suspects & their families ?

Are they "international jihadist suspects"?

Where did "families" come from? Nobodies mentioned it, as far as I can see.

Lockstep

http://pds5.egloos.com/pds/200701/26/08/c0045208_09014845.jpg

Morlar

Nodin wrote: »

Are they "international jihadist suspects"?

Yes.

Nodin wrote: »

Where did "families" come from? Nobodies mentioned it, as far as I can see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8174262.stm

Amnesty International said that Mr Jabbarov's wife and child were in a refugee camp in Pakistan and that he would be able to apply for them to join him.

Of course anything other than family re-unification & state assistance would be against these people's civil rights.

Nodin

Morlar wrote: »

Of course anything other than family re-unification & state assistance would be against these people's civil rights.

Hang on a tic, help is on the way

His lawyer, Michael Mone, told a US congressional committee hearing last year that Mr Jabbarov was living with his elderly mother and pregnant wife as refugees in northern Afghanistan when he was captured in 2001 and later transferred to the detention centre on Cuba.
The Uzbek had not been involved in fighting between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance and was most likely handed over for a bounty, he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8174262.stm
2000 USD a head, if I recall.

Morlar

Hang on yourself - first off you say 'no one is talking about their families' then when you are provided the link to prove otherwise your response is . . .

Nodin wrote: »

Hang on a tic, help is on the way

Well that tends to show how you are running out of ground to stand on in this discussion. If you don't know what you are talking about then you shouldn't be doing the talking, if you do not want to know the answer don't ask the question.

The Saint

Morlar wrote: »

Yes.

No, they are former jihadi suspects who have not been charged or accused of anything and are being released as a result of this.

Mr Jabbarov was living with his elderly mother and pregnant wife as refugees in northern Afghanistan when he was captured in 2001 and later transferred to the detention centre on Cuba.

The Uzbek had not been involved in fighting between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance and was most likely handed over for a bounty, he said.

Are you still going to label him as a jihadist suspect?
Get a grip.

Obama's spies are on their way?
Blast!

Morlar

The Saint wrote: »

Are you still going to label him as a jihadist suspect?
Get a grip.

Quick question. Did you believe OJ's lawyer too ?

Biggins

I find it depressingly laughable.
** Still shaking head in unbelievability **
We can't get rid of all our own terrorists yet we are importing more!

Classic stupid, moronic Irish politician action.

Whats the new Irish thinking...?
If we are going to be up to our waists in the schite - hell! - raise the level and lets be up to our necks in it instead!

Nodin

Morlar wrote: »

Well that tends to show how you are running out of ground to stand on in this discussion.

This 'discussion' ended back here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61363697&postcount=30

Since then its just been mocking the hysterical......

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

We can't get rid of all our own terrorists yet we are importing more!

They were convicted, were they?

SEPT 23 1989

its only fair that the West gives them nice comfortable lives after what they have been through,sure dont the Taliban treat Western soldiers and hostages impeccably when they are captured