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A5 - Derry Dual Carraigeway

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭nordydan


    Just down the road from this scheme, Monaghan County Council have published some preliminary information about the scheme from the border to Clontibret.

    http://www.monaghan.ie/websitev2/roads/N2Clontibret/PublicConsultation.html

    Just at constraints study at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    From the minutes of the North South Ministerial Council Website on the recent July Meeting

    •that work is progressing well on the A5 (Aughnacloy to North West Gateway) and A8 (Belfast-Larne) projects to meet the next key milestones – Publication of Draft Orders – in late 2010/early 2011. The A1 road works to complete the Dublin Belfast link, are nearing completion and it is anticipated that the new carriageway will be open to traffic in mid 2010.

    http://www.northsouthministerialcouncil.org/index/publications/joint-communiques/plenary-jc/plenary_jc_5_july_2010.htm

    Also, there is what seems like a very strong campaign against the road at,

    http://www.alternativea5alliance.com/

    My views are my own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    The road from Ballygawley to Derry is a right balls,
    BUT now that Ireland(republic of) is no longer 2nd richest country in Europe, is there scope contractually that this project be reconsidered just like many other major infrastructure projects in the south?


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    The Irish governement is commited to already to see this project through as far as design and up to CPO stage. They have already given over €25 million to this process. I have heard rumblings from some of the opposition parties asking if we should be even doing this.

    This project, if all goes to plan, is due to start construction in 2012. I think that 2013 or even 2014 would be more realistic. That being the case, maybe out financial circumstances will have improved by that stage.

    My views are my own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭nordydan


    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/could-a-field-full-of-tents-put-the-brakes-on-our-biggest-road-project-14905036.html
    Could a field full of tents put the brakes on our biggest road project?

    Thursday, 12 August 2010


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    A climate camp set up outside a power station in England last year




    An army of green campaigners has descended on a quiet Co Tyrone village to add their voices to the groundswell of opposition to Northern Ireland’s biggest road scheme.
    The campaigners are protesting the controversial A5 upgrade, which will see a new dual carriageway through countryside between Aughnacloy and Londonderry.
    The campaigners were arriving this morning at Climate Camp Ireland in the village of Victoria Bridge, one of the places affected by the new road.
    The campaigners were invited by locals to camp there in the support of the ‘Alternative A5’ campaign, which says the Roads Service should add another lane to the present A5 and upgrade its junctions.
    They have warned that the lack of access points on the proposed dual carriageway could cut communities in two and cause serious environmental damage.
    Climate Camp Ireland organisers said activists would be coming from all over Ireland to oppose the new 86km stretch of road because of increased fuel emissions.
    They described the plan as an outdated solution to traffic congestion, calling for money to be invested in restoring the railway line that once ran to Derry.
    Spokesperson Catherine Friedrich said: “Trying to solve traffic congestion by building a new road is like trying to solve obesity by letting out your belt.
    “People will use the transport infrastructure that is provided and if that is a road rather than rail, then emissions will increase. Why are both of our governments creating carbon intensive infrastructure when the sustainable alternative of rail exists?
    “Rail rather than dual carriageway is what Climate Camp and Alternative A5 Alliance are suggesting. This proposed A5 is not a solution. The benefits of rail are clear. It shortens journey times more than a dual carriageway will, it provides permanent jobs, and isn't unsustainable high carbon infrastructure.”
    Lynne Smith of the Alternative A5 Alliance said residents of Co Tyrone did not want the future marred by the destruction of community farms and livelihoods.
    “This is our future and our children's future. Neither do we want to see the destruction of our natural ‘carbon sink’ — the fields and trees of Tyrone — for the sake of a theoretical saving of 20 minutes’ journey time,” she said.
    FOR

    Retired teacher and solicitor Bernadette Grant, Omagh
    “I cannot understand how any group of people can be opposed to the provision of the proposed new dual carriageway between Aughnacloy and Derry.
    “The provision of a modern road is absolutely necessary for the economic and commercial development of the region.
    “Without such a road there will be no serious capital investment and there is a great need for such investment as the population of the area is suffering serious disadvantage.
    “The investment ... will boost the morale of the people and improve the development prospects of the region.
    “Since the Tyrone County Hospital no longer provides many necessary vital medical services, we are dependant on accessing these services in Altnagelvin Hospital.
    “To do so, one has to drive along the slow, single-lane A5 through five villages and negotiate the long, hazardous Strabane bypass. For this reason alone the proposed dual carriageway is badly needed.”
    AGAINST

    Retired teacher John Dunbar, Newtownstewart
    “We think it’s a complete waste of public taxpayers’ money to build such a massive road when there is already a fairly good road that only needs an extra lane and some other minor improvements. This plan is going to cost a billion pounds before it is finished and have a severe impact on some very good farming areas.
    “There will be great difficulties at the northern end, where it is close to the River Foyle, and will be going through eight or nine miles of floodplain. It will take millions of tonnes of rock.
    “It will have an impact on the ecosystem of the river. No matter what they do, it will be another Ballygawley — there will be pollution.
    “Farms are being severed and this is causing a lot of consternation. There are only eight points of access on the entire road — it will be very wasteful if you can’t get on it.
    “It’s total overkill — it doesn’t make any real sense in this day and age when we are trying to save our planet.”


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The crushtees were wrongfooted by the scale of works in the mid decade but if only 2 or 3 projects are to be progressed over the next few years they can regroup to make a nuisance of themselves.

    Nothing on Indymedia :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sesswhat


    You can listen to an interview on Highland radio.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Spokesperson Catherine Friedrich said: “Trying to solve traffic congestion by building a new road is like trying to solve obesity by letting out your belt.
    “People will use the transport infrastructure that is provided and if that is a road rather than rail, then emissions will increase. Why are both of our governments creating carbon intensive infrastructure when the sustainable alternative of rail exists?

    I wouldnt even expect this kind of over simplified, non-researched, well it sounds true so it must be true view from a LiveLine caller. It always amazes me the amount of effort these people put in, camping in fields for months, when a little bit of common sense will tell you there is no demand, whatsoever, for a train between Monaghan and Derry.

    Maybe the reason the Irish government is putting money into this project is to get that shower up to Tyrone while we do what little road building planned for the next few years in peace.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I bet the 'very important' recent meeting in London that Dempsey 'had to fly to' was one begging the UK Government to can this project :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Incidentally, what exactly do the people in Northern Ireland have against Motorways and HQDC? Just seems crazy how they've been building all these dual carriageways in NI (A5, N1-A1 link, A1 bypasses) and ALL of it designated DC only with lots of complaining about the limited access nature of same.

    What gives?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    I found an interesting document at

    http://www.a5wtc.com/downloads/718736-0000-R-013%20Alternatives%20Discussion%20Paper.pdf

    This shows how the designers took on board suggestions and have moved the preferred route slightly. Interestingly the drawings also show two of the proposed junctions.

    Omagh (Page 19) is a dumbbell type junction
    Ballygawley (P23) The mainline is broken here with a roundabout with the A4

    My views are my own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭nordydan


    SeanW wrote: »
    Incidentally, what exactly do the people in Northern Ireland have against Motorways and HQDC? Just seems crazy how they've been building all these dual carriageways in NI (A5, N1-A1 link, A1 bypasses) and ALL of it designated DC only with lots of complaining about the limited access nature of same.

    What gives?

    Well the people themselves have nothing against them, its the NIRS who seem to have the same opinion as the authorities in GB. Sad I know, as the A4, A5, A6 & A8 schemes seemingly will never be upgradabe to motorway now (no hard shoulders etc). Very disappointing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    Ballygawley
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    South of Omagh Meats just before 2+1 straight
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    My views are my own.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Looks like the anti-roads crustie brigade will be targeting the new A5 project.:mad::(

    It's a badly needed road project that will open up the West of Ulster for investment and development and will redress the longstanding lack of roads investment in the North west of the Bann. With all the MIU motorways nearly finished, it's glaringly obvious that Derry is now the only city on the island of Ireland without a motorway or dual carriageway link to another major population centre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭mackerski


    nordydan wrote: »
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/could-a-field-full-of-tents-put-the-brakes-on-our-biggest-road-project-14905036.html

    Climate Camp Ireland organisers said activists would be coming from all over Ireland to oppose the new 86km stretch of road because of increased fuel emissions.

    Fuel emissions? Could this be the solution to the energy crisis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭oharach


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    it's glaringly obvious that Derry is now the only city on the island of Ireland without a motorway or dual carriageway link to another major population centre.

    How about Armagh? :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭slinky2000


    oharach wrote: »
    How about Armagh? :eek:

    I hardly think Armagh needs a motorway! But maybe that's what it needs to spring some life into the place!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭123easy


    Is the State still funding this thing to the tune of £400 million?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    123easy wrote: »
    Is the State still funding this thing to the tune of £400 million?

    Unless Dempsey got the project cancelled when he took the jet from Derry to London a few weeks back ...then yes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    oharach wrote: »
    How about Armagh? :eek:

    pop: 14,590. Hardly a city, even by Irish standards.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭oharach


    cgcsb wrote: »
    pop: 14,590. Hardly a city, even by Irish standards.

    It's a city alright, merits aside.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Surely having trucks idling in small villages while caught in traffic causes more emissions then driving at a constant speed for a shorter period of time on a motorway?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    dubhthach wrote: »
    Surely having trucks idling in small villages while caught in traffic causes more emissions then driving at a constant speed for a shorter period of time on a motorway?

    you'd think that wouldn't you, but according to the English rent-a-hippy crowd that tour Europe camping at various construction sites and spend the day taiming their dreadlocks, drinking fosters and playing guitars(badly), you'd be wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    cgcsb wrote: »
    you'd think that wouldn't you, but according to the English rent-a-hippy crowd that tour Europe camping at various construction sites and spend the day taiming their dreadlocks, drinking fosters and playing guitars(badly), you'd be wrong.

    And a smoke before breakfast, lunch and dinner....


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Setanta_og


    This project is so fundamental to the economic revival of this Island it should be a priority project for the Assembly and the Dail


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    There is more updates on this road on the offical website. www.a5wtc.com
    Very detailed junction designs are now available.

    My views are my own.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    It will be a brilliant road when done and will finally help link west Ulster together and to Dublin...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    A new 20km stretch of the A4 connecting Ballygawley with the M1 West of Dungannon has been opened recently according to newspaper I read in Belfast on Saturday called the Newsletter. It is Dual Carriage way and will cut journey times from Sligo, Donegal, Leitrim, Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh to Belfast and East Ulster considerably and there is Dual Carriageway/Motorway all the way from Ballygawley to Belfast now which is a big improvement for East/West Links in the Province.

    It only got a small mention in that Newspaper (and isn't on their Website) and it said there was small amounts of work ongoing but it sounds like the mainline is open to traffic and they are probably finishing stuff like offline junctions and signage etc. They have not

    Scheme Link


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Stinicker wrote: »
    A new 20km stretch of the A4 connecting Ballygawley with the M1 West of Dungannon has been opened recently according to newspaper I read in Belfast on Saturday called the Newsletter. It is Dual Carriage way and will cut journey times from Sligo, Donegal, Leitrim, Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh to Belfast and East Ulster considerably and there is Dual Carriageway/Motorway all the way from Ballygawley to Belfast now which is a big improvement for East/West Links in the Province.

    It only got a small mention in that Newspaper (and isn't on their Website) and it said there was small amounts of work ongoing but it sounds like the mainline is open to traffic and they are probably finishing stuff like offline junctions and signage etc. They have not

    Scheme Link
    re. A4 upgrade (Dungannon->Ballygawley) - whats the speed limit there does anyone know?
    Its a high grade dual Carraigeway according to the article, so is it 70mph or only 60?

    If its 70mph then its a pretty decent improvement for those heading up towards Omagh direction from Belfast, even if the A5 hasnt come on line yet.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    70. The national speed limit on dual carriageways is 70 in the UK.


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