Donegal v Cork

greeno

What do ya's reckon will be the outcome here? Can our (donegal) dream go on?

Cloee

yeah, i think donegal can beat cork if they make an effort. if they improve on their passing and manage to get the ball between the posts rather than beside it, i think they have a good chance

eddie73

I think that Donegals purple patch is over. Cork got their wake up call v limerick and have had 3 weeks to get themselves organised for this game. Donegal are heavily dependent on 2 forwards for all the scores. If McFadden and Murphy have an off day we are in trouble. AS well, Noel oleary and co hav bags of experience and will b hard to break down. I would fear for the likes of Roper in Croke park at this time of year although he is playing out of his skin at the moment.

Cloee

dunno the name of the player, but he was number 13 in yesterdays match against galway... i think he played really well for donegal and i think they do have a chance with the likes of him, michael murphy, colm mc fadden and a decent defence with karl lacey...


dunno what the cork team have been like, havent really been following them. i know that they've beaten kerry, but thats not saying much since kerry have been total crap this year..

Orizio

Donegal by a few. Cork have a terrible record in Croker, have a terrible record against Ulster teams and have a terrible record as favourites. Donegal will be much fresher because of the qualifiers, fitter and likely to start stronger then a Cork team coming in from the cold. Donegal may have slightly less skillful players, but they have a particular system in which they trust and they are used to, have a settled team with extraordinary workrate - three things Cork do not have.

On top of this, Cork are woefully overrated - we have beaten no one this year of consquence other then a typically disinterested Kerry team, a facile victory when it didn't matter. Our midfield, that has been so strong for us over the past few years, is now a disaster area, completely destroyed by Limerick. Our attack is a one man show - Pearse O'Neill - mark him out of it, and half the job is done for Donegal. On top of this, Conor Counihan doesn't seem to know what his best team is - Kerrigan, Nicholas Murphy, Masters, Alan O'Connor are all completely out of form, our best defender, Antony Lynch, may be out for the game completely, so we have no one to man mark Donegal's exceptional full forward.

Finally, and unlike Donegal, the Cork footballers have a sense of mental fragility that they have never shaken, an inability to do it on the big stage, and an inability to put teams away. Most importantly however, Donegal and their 15 men behind the ball defence is the exact kind of system that Cork can never unlock, lacking as we do pure footballers or top class distributors in midfield/center forward line. Cue a tight, rubbish game with Cork typically kicking the ball aimlessly, hitting at least a dozen awful wides with Donegals mental and physically strength meaning they pull away in the last ten minutes.

Donegal 0-12 Cork 1-7 is my prediction.

KerranJast

Orizio wrote: »

Donegal by a few. Cork have a terrible record in Croker, have a terrible record against Ulster teams and have a terrible record as favourites. Donegal will be much fresher because of the qualifiers, fitter and likely to start stronger then a Cork team coming in from the cold. Donegal may have slightly less skillful players, but they have a particular system in which they trust and they are used to, have a settled team with extraordinary workrate - three things Cork do not have.

On top of this, Cork are woefully overrated - we have beaten no one this year of consquence other then a typically disinterested Kerry team, a facile victory when it didn't matter. Our midfield, that has been so strong for us over the past few years, is now a disaster area, completely destroyed by Limerick. Our attack is a one man show - Pearse O'Neill - mark him out of it, and half the job is done for Donegal. On top of this, Conor Counihan doesn't seem to know what his best team is - Kerrigan, Nicholas Murphy, Masters, Alan O'Connor are all completely out of form, our best defender, Antony Lynch, may be out for the game completely, so we have no one to man mark Donegal's exceptional full forward.

Finally, and unlike Donegal, the Cork footballers have a sense of mental fragility that they have never shaken, an inability to do it on the big stage, and an inability to put teams away. Most importantly however, Donegal and their 15 men behind the ball defence is the exact kind of system that Cork can never unlock, lacking as we do pure footballers or top class distributors in midfield/center forward line. Cue a tight, rubbish game with Cork typically kicking the ball aimlessly, hitting at least a dozen awful wides with Donegals mental and physically strength meaning they pull away in the last ten minutes.

Donegal 0-12 Cork 1-7 is my prediction.

Keep up the good work Orizio The mind games are fantastic.

misty floyd

You couldn't be any more pessimistic Orizio.

eddie73

Orizio, I dunno what football matches u have been watching this last while..

Cork played exceptionally well in Croke park v Meath 2 years ago. They also did a huge 1st half v Kildare last year. I would say take Kerry and Croke park out of the equation and ye would beat anyone on most days.

We are going surprisingly well, but lack a full bench. If the 2 lads up front have an off day we will struggle 2 score 6points. We are not physically strong. We do play to a system but the handpassing out of defence is a game of russian roulette in the highest order. We have developed a team spirit and a tactical awareness so I will happily keep this rather than the individuals who are tallanted and who may or may not play on the day.

So its hard to know. We can expect a close game, our fitness will be a worry going into the last 15 as this will be our 5th game on the trot, but thats life in the back door!!

K-9

Orizio wrote: »

Donegal by a few. Cork have a terrible record in Croker, have a terrible record against Ulster teams and have a terrible record as favourites. Donegal will be much fresher because of the qualifiers, fitter and likely to start stronger then a Cork team coming in from the cold. Donegal may have slightly less skillful players, but they have a particular system in which they trust and they are used to, have a settled team with extraordinary workrate - three things Cork do not have.

On top of this, Cork are woefully overrated - we have beaten no one this year of consquence other then a typically disinterested Kerry team, a facile victory when it didn't matter. Our midfield, that has been so strong for us over the past few years, is now a disaster area, completely destroyed by Limerick. Our attack is a one man show - Pearse O'Neill - mark him out of it, and half the job is done for Donegal. On top of this, Conor Counihan doesn't seem to know what his best team is - Kerrigan, Nicholas Murphy, Masters, Alan O'Connor are all completely out of form, our best defender, Antony Lynch, may be out for the game completely, so we have no one to man mark Donegal's exceptional full forward.

Finally, and unlike Donegal, the Cork footballers have a sense of mental fragility that they have never shaken, an inability to do it on the big stage, and an inability to put teams away. Most importantly however, Donegal and their 15 men behind the ball defence is the exact kind of system that Cork can never unlock, lacking as we do pure footballers or top class distributors in midfield/center forward line. Cue a tight, rubbish game with Cork typically kicking the ball aimlessly, hitting at least a dozen awful wides with Donegals mental and physically strength meaning they pull away in the last ten minutes.

Donegal 0-12 Cork 1-7 is my prediction.

Nearly fell for it till I seen the mental fragility part. It's Donegal you are playing, not Tyrone!

eddie73 wrote: »

Orizio, I dunno what football matches u have been watching this last while..

Cork played exceptionally well in Croke park v Meath 2 years ago. They also did a huge 1st half v Kildare last year. I would say take Kerry and Croke park out of the equation and ye would beat anyone on most days.

We are going surprisingly well, but lack a full bench. If the 2 lads up front have an off day we will struggle 2 score 6points. We are not physically strong. We do play to a system but the handpassing out of defence is a game of russian roulette in the highest order. We have developed a team spirit and a tactical awareness so I will happily keep this rather than the individuals who are tallanted and who may or may not play on the day.

So its hard to know. We can expect a close game, our fitness will be a worry going into the last 15 as this will be our 5th game on the trot, but thats life in the back door!!

Walsh came on and scored a vital point, Kavanagh is good for 3 or 4 points on a good day as is Roper. Boyle needs to up his game to the Derry game performance . If he does we'll do ok in midfield.

Donegal can win it, but have to fancy Cork by 4.

Orizio

eddie73 wrote: »

Orizio, I dunno what football matches u have been watching this last while..

Cork played exceptionally well in Croke park v Meath 2 years ago. They also did a huge 1st half v Kildare last year. I would say take Kerry and Croke park out of the equation and ye would beat anyone on most days.

We are going surprisingly well, but lack a full bench. If the 2 lads up front have an off day we will struggle 2 score 6points. We are not physically strong. We do play to a system but the handpassing out of defence is a game of russian roulette in the highest order. We have developed a team spirit and a tactical awareness so I will happily keep this rather than the individuals who are tallanted and who may or may not play on the day.

So its hard to know. We can expect a close game, our fitness will be a worry going into the last 15 as this will be our 5th game on the trot, but thats life in the back door!!

Meath and Kildare are hardly near the stature of Donegal though eddie, particurly when you consider that those two teams play an open, expansive game that suits Cork.

KerranJast

I expect Donegal to shade the first half as Cork will be rustier. A half timing bollocking from the mgmt will lead to a second half Cork blitz as their superior fitness and pace will give them the edge. Cork by 6.

Pappy o' daniel

Orizio wrote: »

Donegal by a few. Cork have a terrible record in Croker, have a terrible record against Ulster teams and have a terrible record as favourites. Donegal will be much fresher because of the qualifiers, fitter and likely to start stronger then a Cork team coming in from the cold. Donegal may have slightly less skillful players, but they have a particular system in which they trust and they are used to, have a settled team with extraordinary workrate - three things Cork do not have.

On top of this, Cork are woefully overrated - we have beaten no one this year of consquence other then a typically disinterested Kerry team, a facile victory when it didn't matter. Our midfield, that has been so strong for us over the past few years, is now a disaster area, completely destroyed by Limerick. Our attack is a one man show - Pearse O'Neill - mark him out of it, and half the job is done for Donegal. On top of this, Conor Counihan doesn't seem to know what his best team is - Kerrigan, Nicholas Murphy, Masters, Alan O'Connor are all completely out of form, our best defender, Antony Lynch, may be out for the game completely, so we have no one to man mark Donegal's exceptional full forward.

Finally, and unlike Donegal, the Cork footballers have a sense of mental fragility that they have never shaken, an inability to do it on the big stage, and an inability to put teams away. Most importantly however, Donegal and their 15 men behind the ball defence is the exact kind of system that Cork can never unlock, lacking as we do pure footballers or top class distributors in midfield/center forward line. Cue a tight, rubbish game with Cork typically kicking the ball aimlessly, hitting at least a dozen awful wides with Donegals mental and physically strength meaning they pull away in the last ten minutes.

Donegal 0-12 Cork 1-7 is my prediction.

I've never read such tripe. We wont come up against a better midfield than limericks, Goulding is on fire this year and Croke park suits our running game. Cork by 3 or 4.

Orizio

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

I've never read such tripe. We wont come up against a better midfield than limericks, Goulding is on fire this year and Croke park suits our running game. Cork by 3 or 4.

I didn't mention Goulding. :rolleyes: Cork are awful when up against a blanket defence, we simply haven't gotten good enough distributors.

curry-muff

Masters starting

Good news for donegal fans

greeno

Lets hope Lynch is rusty too. Need our forwards to be performing in this one

Orizio

The Cork team announced will not be the team to start.

manster

I see an easy Cork win. O'Leary, Lynch and Miskella all back. Cork have a full team and I hear they are going like demons. Worthy Munster champions after being the better team by a country mile against Kerry. They've had their shock against Limerick and won't be found wanting against Donegal. Saw them against Monaghan and it was men against boys.

ADTR

I feel Donegal will grind out a result.

Orizio

ADTR wrote: »

I feel Donegal will grind out a result.

Yup. As they always do.

smashey

I'm looking forward to this but with a tinge of nervousness. This is a quarter final match and there are no easy games. Cork have impressed me from the start of the year, with the league and now the championship. Donegal need to perform like they did against Derry and hope they don't shoot as many wides as they have been doing.

K-9

smashey wrote: »

I'm looking forward to this but with a tinge of nervousness. This is a quarter final match and there are no easy games. Cork have impressed me from the start of the year, with the league and now the championship. Donegal need to perform like they did against Derry and hope they don't shoot as many wides as they have been doing.

Strange thing was we kicked far more wides against Derry than Galway. It's a major test for McFadden and Murphy and I think they both will not pass it, for different reasons. Cork are ould hands at QF stage as can be seen by Orizios replies. Only cockiness will stop Cork winning.

Having said all that, Cork had the better team on paper in 06 and we left that one behind us!

LeoB

ADTR wrote: »

I feel Donegal will grind out a result.

So do I, but it will not be the result they want.

I tipped Cork for the double back in May before a ball was kicked or a sliother pucked. I wont change my mind now. They have exceptionally good players not only from 1 to 15 but 1 to 30. Pearse O'Neill will be a problem for Donegal. If he is on his game he will be hard to stop. Think Cork are due big performance in Croke Pk.

Donegal restored pride in their jersey but Cork to win by 5 pts.

Orizio

LeoB wrote: »

So do I, but it will not be the result they want.

I tipped Cork for the double back in May before a ball was kicked or a sliother pucked. I wont change my mind now. They have exceptionally good players not only from 1 to 15 but 1 to 30. Pearse O'Neill will be a problem for Donegal. If he is on his game he will be hard to stop. Think Cork are due big performance in Croke Pk.

Donegal restored pride in their jersey but Cork to win by 5 pts.

I'd think you would want to by this stage Leo, we lost to Glaway in the hurling...:D

I think we will probably win by a couple of points, but this is a very overrated Cork side and Sunday will prove it ever more so then the Limerick game. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if we lost, nor would it suprise anyone in Cork. Biggest game of Conor Counihan's tenure as well methinks, if things don't go right he will probably be gone.

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

I'd think you would want to by this stage Leo, we lost to Glaway in the hurling...:D

I think we will probably win by a couple of points, but this is a very overrated Cork side and Sunday will prove it ever more so then the Limerick game. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if we lost, nor would it suprise anyone in Cork. Biggest game of Conor Counihan's tenure as well methinks, if things don't go right he will probably be gone.

It is vital Cork hang on to Conor Counihan. I liked him as a player, and think he has moved Cork on a little.

I would be suprised if ye lost. The balance of the team is good and they are sharing the responsibility around the field, not unlike Dublin this year, and I think Cork are ahead of Dublin. Cork have a few demons to banish and Sunday is a good day to start.

Redsoxfan

Donegal Team for Sunday named-no changes to the side that started against Galway.

I'm a bit surprised McLoone holds his place and I would prefer to see Roper coming off the bench.

Anyway-in JJ we trust-Tir Chonaill Abu!

TheSpecialOne

cork by about 7 there a very strong team who have been criticised for a poor performance against limerick...but they still won when the going got tough...and limerick are no mugg team there actually half decent!that game will do cork the world of good and they will sweep donegal aside!

Orizio

LeoB wrote: »

It is vital Cork hang on to Conor Counihan. I liked him as a player, and think he has moved Cork on a little.

I would be suprised if ye lost. The balance of the team is good and they are sharing the responsibility around the field, not unlike Dublin this year, and I think Cork are ahead of Dublin. Cork have a few demons to banish and Sunday is a good day to start.

I think Conor Counihan is easily the best coach we have had this decade, but at the same time we have enough quality and talent in Cork right now to win an All-Ireland. If we don't do it this year then questions should be asked.

Pappy o' daniel

Orizio wrote: »

I didn't mention Goulding. :rolleyes: Cork are awful when up against a blanket defence, we simply haven't gotten good enough distributors.

You mentioned that Pearse o'neil was our only forward.


At least the bookies think we have a chance...

Orizio

I'm not sure thats exactly what I said, rather my point was that if Pearse is kept under wraps our attack is severly restricted. He really is the vocal point for the attack and the team in many ways, although I'd move him to midfield by this stage such is Alan O'Connor and Nic Murphy's terrible form right now.

Counihan summed us up perfectly when he said we weren't as bad as the Limerick game suggests, but likewise weren't as good as the Kerry performances suggested.

grenache

I've noticed that when opposition forwards put the Cork backs under pressure, hassling them and not leaving them willy nilly handpass the ball out of defence, possession is quite often easily coughed up. Ger Spillane would be a prime example here. I seem to remember him giving Kieran Donaghy an early Christmas present in the 07 AI Final. He was also directly at fault for 2 of Limerick's points during the first half last day out. The first where he misplaced a handpass and the ball fell to Seanie Buckley, and the second where he was being doubled up on by Ian Ryan and Cormac Power Joyce and he lost the ball to the latter. Kieran O'Connor the corner back lost possession while be badgered by Stephen Kelly which nearly set up Stephen Lavin for a Limerick goal, the ball going inches wide.


This is what Donegal must do today, defend from the front and not let the Cork backs come out of defence unopposed with the ball. I think work horses like Brian Roper could have much success today if this is the tactic adopted. That said, Cork have the 3 boys back today in Miskella, O'Leary (who is the starting point of so many attacks) and the king himself Lynch. I dont expect the Cork defence to be as bad again today. Cork have a better more rounded team that Galway did and i feel Anthony Lynch can do a job on McFadden.

Cork by 2.

eddie73

Impossible to call. Mayo, Donegal, Kildare, Cork. Full of demons.

Donegal were truely awful for the first 3 games this year in the championship, and got a massive performance v Derry form nowhere. We were slightly jaded v Galway (as they were) but performed very well when the chips seemed to be down in the second half. Where we got the attitude from is a mystery, and as much as i welcome it, I would be afraid that it would disappear as suddenly and mysteriously as it arrived.

Cork are similar, except they can fairly regularly beat Kerry in the early part of the summer, and with the aid of the Munster final ceeding, have found themselves in all ireland quarter and semi finals with only one back door game played. Having said that, they are superior footballers to us and have a much stronger midfield. The ironic thing is that I feel the Donegal tactics tomorrow will be to scrap and break around the middle, to break up the pitch with a short game out of defence and launch in diagonal ball to our 2 forwards, as if we go toe to toe with the Cork midfield from kickouts, we will get slaughtered there.

A huge amount will depend on the ref tomorrow. I hope it is an exciting game. We need another leinster final type match to get the vibe going again

corcaigh07

Orizio wrote: »

Donegal by a few. Cork have a terrible record in Croker, have a terrible record against Ulster teams and have a terrible record as favourites. Donegal will be much fresher because of the qualifiers, fitter and likely to start stronger then a Cork team coming in from the cold. Donegal may have slightly less skillful players, but they have a particular system in which they trust and they are used to, have a settled team with extraordinary workrate - three things Cork do not have.

On top of this, Cork are woefully overrated - we have beaten no one this year of consquence other then a typically disinterested Kerry team, a facile victory when it didn't matter. Our midfield, that has been so strong for us over the past few years, is now a disaster area, completely destroyed by Limerick. Our attack is a one man show - Pearse O'Neill - mark him out of it, and half the job is done for Donegal. On top of this, Conor Counihan doesn't seem to know what his best team is - Kerrigan, Nicholas Murphy, Masters, Alan O'Connor are all completely out of form, our best defender, Antony Lynch, may be out for the game completely, so we have no one to man mark Donegal's exceptional full forward.

Finally, and unlike Donegal, the Cork footballers have a sense of mental fragility that they have never shaken, an inability to do it on the big stage, and an inability to put teams away. Most importantly however, Donegal and their 15 men behind the ball defence is the exact kind of system that Cork can never unlock, lacking as we do pure footballers or top class distributors in midfield/center forward line. Cue a tight, rubbish game with Cork typically kicking the ball aimlessly, hitting at least a dozen awful wides with Donegals mental and physically strength meaning they pull away in the last ten minutes.

Donegal 0-12 Cork 1-7 is my prediction.

if only there was a thumbs down option.

homerjay2005

pitch looks awful. cork on top so far, 4 points to 1. make that 2 now.

Orizio

Donegal looking good. Conserving energy and effort.

homerjay2005

Cork are looking unreal. on this form, they are favourites for the all ireland. some great scores kicking so far. as marty just said, this could be a masacre.

11-2 now.

L_gaucho

Pitch looks like its going to peel off like a wet plaster...

demakinz

its looking like it going to be a bit of a hammering.i can see cork scoring a goal farily soon.donegals forward line cant seem to get any ball at all.i just hope the second half is a bit better.


iv a sky freeview box which must be the uk version because theres no rte(101=bbc london) but to my amazment iv found infotv2 which is channel 167 and there showing all the live gaa today.live feed from rte.result.:D:D

Orizio

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Cork are looking unreal. on this form, they are favourites for the all ireland. some great scores kicking so far. as marty just said, this could be a masacre.

11-2 now.

Give me a ****ing break. :rolleyes: This is an exhibition, and says absolutely nothing about Cork whatsoever.

cruiserweight

demakinz wrote: »

its looking like it going to be a bit of a hammering.i can see cork scoring a goal farily soon.donegals forward ling cant seem to get any ball at all.i just hope the second half is a bit better.


iv a sky freeview box which must be the uk version because theres no rte(101=bbc london) but to my amazment iv found infotv2 which is channel 167 and there showing all the live gaa today.live feed from rte.result.:D:D

Ah there is a problem with my satellite signal so I can't get it

Daysha

7 different scorers on the Cork team and it's not even half time yet!

Orizio

Burning pace...fabolous ball players... :rolleyes:

demakinz

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Cork are looking unreal. on this form, they are favourites for the all ireland. some great scores kicking so far. as marty just said, this could be a masacre.

11-2 now.

cork look good alright but maybe that has something to do with how bad donegal are.

"favourites for the all ireland" i really dont think so.

smashey

Game over.

Spiritoftheseventies

Half time and its not looking good for the men from Donegal. Cork look very sharp. Loads of pace. too easy.

yayamark

Why are you starting a second thread on this?

Daysha

Eh...

homerjay2005

demakinz wrote: »

cork look good alright but maybe that has something to do with how bad donegal are.

"favourites for the all ireland" i really dont think so.

they're favourites in my opinion, theyve already beaten kerry and i think they can beat tyrone and dublin also.. 15 points in 39 minutes is awesome. complacency is a key here now.

demakinz

i predict a +20 point hammering for donegal.

Daysha

Cork 1-16 Donegal 0-05 after 45 mins.

cruiserweight

bayviewclose wrote: »

Half time and its not looking good for the men from Donegal. Cork look very sharp. Loads of pace. too easy.

yayamark wrote: »

Why are you starting a second thread on this?

Daysha wrote: »

Eh...

Threads merged, no need for a new one and the old one should have been at the top of the forum

homerjay2005

cork are playing awesome. 1-18 to 7. donegal are poor, but cork are just awesome.