Death Knight solos Halls of Lightning Heroic

Karl Hungus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Y1Q6rWePA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Y1Q6rWePA

****ing overpowered Death Knights. :pac:

dlofnep

Jesus, how is that possible? I destroy death knights with my retadin.

Karl Hungus

dlofnep wrote: »

Jesus, how is that possible?

Blood spec tank with best in slot gear, I'd imagine. I've seen logs of Blood tanks out-healing dedicated raid healers, they can keep themselves healed up amazingly. You can pretty speed your way through a heroic with 1 blood DK and 4 DPS, healers need not apply.

dlofnep

Yeah, with extra DPS - I get that, but soloing heroics is insane!!

elexes

i cant even solo level 70 hc instances ... ( its been a while since ive tried but im sure theres some i cant do )

dlofnep

What class are you?

sunzz

Jesus, how is that possible? I destroy death knights with my retadin.

Yes, bad ones!

][cEMAN**

Ooooooh a challenge! I think i'll give that a go after the raid

dlofnep

sunzz wrote: »

Yes, bad ones!

Nope, any Death Knight, unless they have about 800 resil. Then it's a fight.

Think you can do better? Duel me!

Epeen

Paladins and death knights should be shifted off to separate servers like the russians were except for downies that face roll.

A death knight and paladin rotation consists of:

1) Place left cheek on A key
2) Roll face clockwise until right cheek is flat
3) Repeat

And the sad thing is about paladins and deathknights;

When paladins required skill to play pre 3.0 they were rare. Then they got buffed to **** and they increased in population by 300%. Death knights were OP from the start so everyone rolled one.

LOL I 1 SHOT HIM LOL OMG I SO IMBA PRO!

Blizzard should instead have made deathknights and paladins terrible to get rid of the spackers that play them, so they are left with a decent playerbase and then reward the proper players that actually like the class by buffing them.

Check the Wotlk figures, so many people have quit because blizzards idea of balance is non-existant. PvP is wrecked atm.

Think its gone from 12 million to 6-7 million subscribers. If theyre not careful Aion and other MMOs will ruin WoW

elexes

dlofnep wrote: »

What class are you?

lock silience makes me run in fear....

][cEMAN**

Epeen wrote: »

When paladins required skill to play pre 3.0 they were rare.

They weren't really that rare. They just had a different role. They were mostly healers, with some tanks, and buffbots as retri. They'd been ****ed for the whole of TBC. All that 3.0 did was bring them back in a realistic role. OK Retri got a knee jerk OP reaction, but that's been nerfed TO THE GROUND BABY! Now paladins are on par with other tanks. They're getting buffed up the ass next patch, which will make them OP, but at the same time, the holy tree is getting ****ed, and retri is getting messed with again.

Epeen wrote: »

Blizzard should instead have made deathknights and paladins terrible to get rid of the spackers that play them, so they are left with a decent playerbase and then reward the proper players that actually like the class by buffing them.

You really need to think before you post stuff like that. You will always have the same player base jumping onto the class of the month. Every time one gets buffed, the numbers increase. The only way to get rid of the 'spackers' that play them would be to do a personality test on everyone who buys the game.

Also, Death Knights were brought into the game as the first Hero Class. Did you honestly think they were going to bring in a weak, underpowered, and altogether useless class? Wouldn't be very heroic would it? It was a novelty added to regenerate some lost interest, and counter the Warhammer hype at the time. Now they're being brought back down with other classes. It's not going to happen overnight. It shouldn't happen overnight. Otherwise what would be the point in adding them as a hero class? People have to get used to them, then get used to the nerfs coming in. A flash in the pan that should be dying out soon.

Seriously though, when you look at tank & dps since the start, Warriors were always the main tank option, and other classes have had to be buffed time and time again to bring them up to scratch with that. It's only now other classes are starting to either reach the same level with warriors or overtake them (Deathknights, and only for the moment).

As for dps, a well geared warlock, mage, hunter, are still going to come up high up on the dps meters. It's not that often I see a DK up there with the rest any more. Maybe it's just the groups i've been playing with. Even rogues are coming out in front of them in the groups i've seen.

But either way, holding up on your point of having good players play these classes, the nerfs should eventually leave only the good players playing these classes. If there are really that many 'spackers' playing them, come the next patch you'll probably find the DK population drop off to 0.

Dar

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Blood spec tank with best in slot gear, I'd imagine. I've seen logs of Blood tanks out-healing dedicated raid healers, they can keep themselves healed up amazingly. You can pretty speed your way through a heroic with 1 blood DK and 4 DPS, healers need not apply.

Doesn't need best in slot - I did this before when I was half naxx-10 geared. It's just down to the fact that Loken hits like a little girl.

Edit - Thought he did boss, not entire instance . That's bloody impressive!

Anti

How hard can it be, put diseases on and DS/RT spam, then use pestulance with glyph of disease to keep them refreshed and just fill in the blanks with rolling your face across the keyboard.

if i seen another class do it i'd be impressed.

sunzz

dlofnep wrote: »

Nope, any Death Knight, unless they have about 800 resil. Then it's a fight.

Think you can do better? Duel me!

I apologize, I forgot you ran 600 resilience and posted on forums looking for 2v2 partners you're obviously skilled in the art of pvp, I wholeheartedly refute my previous statement. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Epeen
A death knight and paladin rotation consists of:

1) Place left cheek on A key
2) Roll face clockwise until right cheek is flat
3) Repeat

I think you're slightly misinformed on how certain classes/specs operate in pvp http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player this should clear a few things up for you and stop you talking well simply out of your ring.

If you look at the top 100 8% is taken up by dk's I hardly think a percentage of the like suggests that the class dominates pvp in wow, also check retri specs, In s5 (2v2) holy was the dominate spec and very very very few paladins played ret. Dk's tend to dominate 2v2 due to the simple reason they have a lot of defensive cd's with a very short cooldown.

Also this game as stated by blizz is not based around 2v2 nor is it based around 1v1 duels it is a game balanced around 3v3, this is evident in ALL tournaments running 3v3 and also blizzard themselves opting for blizzcon to run 3v3, not to mention making 2v2 obsolete next season.

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/3/all/all/all/all/

Now taking a quick look at the above shows once again that you're flat out wrong. in 3v3 RMP has and always will be the most dominating comp and priest/rogue/mage will flat out always be in the top3/4 represented classes in pvp
Out of the 3 teams that have hit arena cap (3000) Not one dk exists in those teams. for a class that you call faceroll I can assure you its greeted with arms wide open when seen in 3's.

dlofnep

sunzz wrote: »

I apologize, I forgot you ran 600 resilience and posted on forums looking for 2v2 partners you're obviously skilled in the art of pvp, I wholeheartedly refute my previous statement. :rolleyes:

Duel me and find out!

Anti

Granted not all dk's are facerolling, you can always spot a good DK over someone who is literally smashing everything off cooldown. But the vast majority are a bunch of retards playing a easy class to do well with.

sunzz

Yea, I'll transfer from my server to duel someone.

Anti, what exactly makes dk's an easy class to play?

dlofnep

sunzz wrote: »

Yea, I'll transfer from my server to duel someone.

Excuses!

sunzz

Not really, feel free to check my armory/gear/rating you'll understand.

Lone Stone

I think that is on a private server :P

dlofnep

sunzz wrote: »

Not really, feel free to check my armory/gear/rating you'll understand.

I'll still own you, like a pet.

sunzz

dlofnep

lol

Anti

sunzz wrote: »

Yea, I'll transfer from my server to duel someone.

Anti, what exactly makes dk's an easy class to play?

The fact that a unskilled DK can literally macro all of their abilities to random keys on their keyboard and slap away at it like a mad yoke ignoring any type of rotation and proc and still do pretty well.


Now im not saying your like this, as your gear clearly shows you know how to play the class, but even you have to admit 90% of the 'tards play dk's these days.

smithcity

Would the words, "Relax, it's just a game. Enjoy it!" cause a deluge of abuse?

sunzz

yea but you also have to understand you're only as good as the people you're playing. I mean if i seen a dk in arena not using any sort of co-ordinated rotation, and spamming ANYTHING im pretty sure id just leave him be and go kill whoever he had with him, I've also seen arena vids of naked rogues dominate people

I know plenty of horrible players who play dk's I also know plenty of horrible players that play mages/locks/ele shammies
stun fear immolate chaos conflag dead

There are and always will be classes that dominate a certain season, but what most people are missing is blizz and most of the competitive pvpers who play this game really couldn't give a donkeys about 2v2 as its more likely who queues the longest gets the highest rating 3's is where its at and where its staying and as we're quite frankly very under represented in 3's I don't see why everyone moans for instance when i see a dk on my rmp team i jump for joy, once lichbourne/amz is used its free cc for the duration of the game until we blow up his partner or him

I don't think dk's are an easy class to master tbh, there's a lot going on in the class, sure people can do relatively well with them but being competent with them is a whole new story. What people are hanging onto was last season, behing hit 30 yards away by 6 icy touches hitting for a minimum of 4k
its not like that any more

Btw, I'm not saying I don't play a facerolling comp I play frost dk/druid and i have the sigil, I hit warriors with 800+ resil for 9k frost strikes and i know the first two i unload are crits its pretty daunting when you know the healer is going to be out of the game for at LEAST 20 seconds and im doing that dmg but i'd like to see another dk faceroll to the stats we have in 2v2 101-5 and we had 2 dc's btw, I don't like 2's just doing it for gladiator and the pew pew drake

magicianz

/Target smithcity
/Cast Deluge of Abuse(Rank 7)
/Gloat

magilly

Sunz, i bet if some1 in RL said to you that DK's were **** you'd try and smash em up ! lol

Mr Dknight.

They are a piss easy class to do well with tho.... If your crap you obviously wont be going 1600+... but still.

PPL always forgot that arena's are not the only form of PVP in wow....

Like it or not, there are ALOT more people in BG's right now than in a arena, so blizzard have to balance 1v1 more than you think. Even world PVP has to be considered. DK's rape just about everything in 1v1.... which isnt right.

Check this, i was about to tank HC CoS, was the only person there trying to get into the instance (Stupid cant launch instance ****) and 4 alliance came, T8 rogue (He had that alien head) + warrior tank + Spriest + hunter..... i popped army of the dead, put them on the hunter and then nuked the priest. they both died within 10 secs, the rogue and warrior were slightly behind. Then i raped both the rogue and warrior at the same time with heartstrikes and deceases, warrior took abit more time than the rogue but still.... that should not be possible, even if they were all in greens.

Fair enough the rogue had no poison on and i could pretty much heal myself to full with runetaps and ****, but i hardly even play my DK. My DK has like 4/5 valor + 1 conq, 34k hp.

sunzz

Don't think i've shown anger in anyway what-so-ever in this thread, just the fact people don't know dk's and how to beat them seems to get vented through everyone's posts. Nothing wrong with a bit of debate even if the forums dead, so, BRING IT ON

Im sorry magilly but

They are a piss easy class to do well with tho.... If your crap you obviously wont be going 1600+... but still

You should have done yourself a favor and stopped typing after the above.

Blizzard do not and have never stated the game is balanced behind 1v1.
Blizzard make VAST amounts of money in 3v3, this is why its the focused bracket by blizz, forcing people into it next season by cutting 2v2 titles/weapons/shoulders etc, the revenue that blizz get from tournament realm players is insane. Do you see 2v2 tounraments, 1v1 tounrnaments, battleground tournaments :rolleyes:

I play a dk, I also play a mage and I've played a paladin and druid, all of which have been or are high rated, I don't mean 1600 btw. I can assure you when it comes to the bracket that matters we come up short. You cant moan about 1v1 or battlegrounds when trying to say a class is overpowered. Every class has its counters, for me its simply a well played frost mage/insect swarm druid/protholy pala that dominate me and i dont get close to winning.

Dk's have plenty of soft counters in 2v2 as well, resto shammy/x destro/healer feral/priest mage/priest all of which if played correctly are stupidly hard fights, Want to kill dispell teams and cleansing totems

It really isn't an overpowered class, ask any of the rmp teams that farm them at every major 3v3 tournament

][cEMAN**

I'd love a 1v1 tournament. Not many i'd lose against.

Ivan

sunzz wrote: »

Im sorry magilly but

You should have done yourself a favor and stopped typing after the above.

Less of this please. People are allowed to express their opinions. Even if they might seem incorrect to you.

Xyo

So a Dk solo'd Loken did he?.. jaysus thats amazing

Ivan

Personally, I think a prot paladin in equal gear would be able to do something similar. If not now then certainly after the patch.

nix

DK's used to be face roll, now it is not the case.

After getting hit with nerfs pretty much every update since wotlk, we are now just like the rest of the classes. And our burst is getting nerfed yet again (frost strike) I really cant understand all this whining aimed at DK's, i can see myself capeable of a whole lot more with a paladin, better burst and better survivability.

And i was able to do a whole lot more in TBC with my rogue, and i predict i could do just as much in wotlk.

Seriously, learn the dk's weaknesses and your laughing

And Loken on heroic isnt that hard, i dropped him from 40% myself before. Easily achieved, just dont **** up and get your death strikes in for the heals. Although the whole instance is a pretty sick achievement.

sunzz

Ivan wrote: »

Less of this please. People are allowed to express their opinions. Even if they might seem incorrect to you.

In my OWN opinion he should have stopped typing as his whole post was nonsensical dribble. I fail to see how what I said was against any of the charter rules, the fact you have issues with me may have something to do with it? Just wondering why you needed to mod the above? Mussolini would be proud of you however.

WellyJ

nix wrote: »

DK's used to be face roll, now it is not the case.

After getting hit with nerfs pretty much every update since wotlk, we are now just like the rest of the classes. And our burst is getting nerfed yet again (frost strike) I really cant understand all this whining aimed at DK's, i can see myself capeable of a whole lot more with a paladin, better burst and better survivability.

And i was able to do a whole lot more in TBC with my rogue, and i predict i could do just as much in wotlk.

Seriously, learn the dk's weaknesses and your laughing

And Loken on heroic isnt that hard, i dropped him from 40% myself before. Easily achieved, just dont **** up and get your death strikes in for the heals. Although the whole instance is a pretty sick achievement.

Contradictions galore.

You say DKs are now just like the rest of the classes, then go onto say that soloing Loken on heroic isn't hard and that you got him to 40% etc. Are you forgetting which class you play

Have a go soloing him with a mage and see what happens.

The fact is, and the OP here is testament to it, that DKs are currently too powerful. It cannot really be disputed. Just watch the video.....

Claiming a paladin can do this also is fine but it's really just speculation. Until I see some kind of evidence that that is the case, I can only continue to assume that no class in the game could achieve this other than a DK, which is a clear kick in the teeth to the whole concept of Class Balance which Blizzard claim to hold so dearly.

Just to clarify, I have no issue with a DK being a little bit special in terms of what they can do, after all, they are a Hero Class. But there has to be some kind of limit.

sunzz

I wasn't aware mages had tanking and self healing abilities.
Id argue the original video could also be done by a competent paladin tank in much the same gear!

nix

WellyJ wrote: »

Contradictions galore.

You say DKs are now just like the rest of the classes, then go onto say that soloing Loken on heroic isn't hard and that you got him to 40% etc. Are you forgetting which class you play

Have a go soloing him with a mage and see what happens.

The fact is, and the OP here is testament to it, that DKs are currently too powerful. It cannot really be disputed. Just watch the video.....

Claiming a paladin can do this also is fine but it's really just speculation. Until I see some kind of evidence that that is the case, I can only continue to assume that no class in the game could achieve this other than a DK, which is a clear kick in the teeth to the whole concept of Class Balance which Blizzard claim to hold so dearly.

Just to clarify, I have no issue with a DK being a little bit special in terms of what they can do, after all, they are a Hero Class. But there has to be some kind of limit.

No i stand by what i said, loken doesnt hit hard, the only real damage he does is his Aoe which can be dodged. DK's have healing capeabilities, rune tap (3.5khp) and demonic sacrafice (approx 8khp). i countered his melee strikes with death strikes. Jobs a good one, i have no doubt i could achieve the same with a paladin maybe even a rogue/enhance shammy.

Now if loken actually done real damage outside his AoE i would be ****ed.

EDIT: also like to add i only got him down from around 40% after rest of party failed, didnt exactly "solo" him, 100% i would have been on CD with my heals baby ! and the help of ghoul army was nice

Dar

Like I said, the reason this is possible on Loken is because he hits like a little girl. Same thing for the big crystalline elemental golem thingy in Halls of Stone. The only real damage from either of these bosses comes from gimmick AoE abilities that can be easily dodged. Of course a plate-tank with self healing is going to be able to solo them.

Ivan

Anti wrote: »

The fact that a unskilled DK can literally macro all of their abilities to random keys on their keyboard and slap away at it like a mad yoke ignoring any type of rotation and proc and still do pretty well.


Now im not saying your like this, as your gear clearly shows you know how to play the class, but even you have to admit 90% of the 'tards play dk's these days.

You mean like BM hunters, not so long ago?

WellyJ

sunzz wrote: »

I wasn't aware mages had tanking and self healing abilities.
Id argue the original video could also be done by a competent paladin tank in much the same gear!

nix said that DKs were now on par with the other classes. He didn't mention Paladins specifically.

Either way, it's not true. Not all classes can solo HoL HC, even if a Paladin may be able to. So DKs are overpowered. There is no way it was intended by Blizzard for any class to be able to do this.

There really is no way to argue against this. Where do you draw the line if don't think that this proves they are too good? If a DK could solo Naxx 10, would that still be ok? There has to be a line somewhere.

EDIT: People also seem to be focusing on the Loken encounter. He may not hit very hard, but this guy soloed the whole instance, an instance that is widely accepted as, relatively speaking, being the toughest of all the level 80 Heroics

sunzz

Dk's have solod naxx10.

Okay when nix was talking about class balance I'm sure he wasn't talking about how blizzard overlooked the fact mages couldn't possibly be able to tank HoL heroic.:rolleyes:

Common sense people common sense
I'm not sure if I'm going to get banned for that statement, Ivan wrote me a 600 page essay for telling someone they should have stopped typing so who knows, Not that I think it warranted a 600 page essay or a warning stating next time I'm banned, apparently I broke the "this is a noob friendly environment, even tho magilly is a long time poster:rolleyes:" I was just having a giggle but sure...moving along folks.......

Welly what are you talking about now in terms of overpowered? pve/pvp
Because I can assure you in pvp dk's are not running a blood tanking spec and are not blood strike healing

paladins/priests/shamans all have utilities to remove our diseases, be it dispell/cleanse/totems, thus rendering our damage to dog****e proportions and death strike to a nothing effect, of course this happens when the people you play are not retards. When you have diseases on a target it means your next main ability for damage be it scourge strike / obliterate will do more damage. Now when these diseases get removed, which believe me they do at higher levels you have 2 options: re applying them thus using frost/unholy runes which is also the 2 runes you use for your main abilities, or you can simply strike the disease less target and do no dmg Also did i mention in pvp death strikes hits for about 1-2k at the cost of a scourge strike which hits for 4-6.

There have and always will be vids made of people doing stupidly over powered stuff, dk's are no exception, as tanks they are godlike when it comes to soloing but not so long ago so were paladins, I've seen vids of hunters kite bosses around maps for 2 hours to score kills, mages running naxx25 and soloing military wing etc etc.

WellyJ

I'm not discussing PVP in the slightest. They were ridiculous last season, they are good now - nothing more than that.

I am talking about PvE stuff, it grates me to see how many DKs have the raptor/tiger mounts from ZG for example, because they can fairly easily solo Mandokir and Thekal. Now some other classes can also do this don't get me wrong.

But seeing this HoL video just really annoys me. This coupled with Conquest emblems dropping from HC bosses is just retarded, in my opinion. Essentially there is a class in the game, who can solo his way to 2 pieces of T8.5 gear. The fact he soloed HOL would lead me to believe he could also solo most other HCs. There is something wrong with this.

I know I probably sound bitter because with my current main being a mage, these things are beyond me. I have close to the best gear available pre 3.2, but would still have no hope of grinding the Tiger/Raptor mounts and that is not right.

Things like this should not be a factor when determining which class you want to play.

Class Balance is more than just who can kick who's ass in the middle of WSG.

EDIT: Oh and I love coming up against DKs in BGs as a frost mage. I rip them apart.

nix

WellyJ wrote: »

nix said that DKs were now on par with the other classes. He didn't mention Paladins specifically.

Either way, it's not true. Not all classes can solo HoL HC, even if a Paladin may be able to. So DKs are overpowered. There is no way it was intended by Blizzard for any class to be able to do this.

There really is no way to argue against this. Where do you draw the line if don't think that this proves they are too good? If a DK could solo Naxx 10, would that still be ok? There has to be a line somewhere.

EDIT: People also seem to be focusing on the Loken encounter. He may not hit very hard, but this guy soloed the whole instance, an instance that is widely accepted as, relatively speaking, being the toughest of all the level 80 Heroics

And a warlock soloing hydross a 25man boss isnt OP ? :P

I agree that he shouldnt be able to solo a heroic, but its nothing to worry about as its not like he was gearing up as he has the best gear in game.

And what i achieved on loken is not OP imo, hes an easy boss once you know what to do., plus i only had to nuke 40% and had full CD's

Also my first post was mostly pvp related (off topic i know) stating in terms of pvp, death knights are on par with other classes.

WellyJ

nix wrote: »

And a warlock soloing hydross a 25man boss isnt OP ? :P

I agree that he shouldnt be able to solo a heroic, but its nothing to worry about as its not like he was gearing up as he has the best gear in game.

And what i achieved on loken is not OP imo, hes an easy boss once you know what to do., plus i only had to nuke 40% and had full CD's

Also my first post was mostly pvp related (off topic i know) stating in terms of pvp, death knights are on par with other classes.

Nothing to worry about? He has a clear advantage over other classes. He could farm Runed Orbs by doing this for example.

"And a warlock soloing hydross a 25man boss isnt OP" - Yes it is OP, and should never have happened either. Same with the mage using Incanter's absorption to solo a Naxx 25 wing. Note that this was hotfixed immediately though, as it is clearly too much of an advantage for one class.

nix

And im sure this will be addressed too, it wont be the DK that gets the nerf though, loken will just prob hit harder.

Or the already incoming nerfs will sort that, longer CD's etc.

Ivan

It may not be that much of an advantage now, but consider the next patch will bump up the rewards from Heroics without changing the difficulty - it will surely become an issue.

Still, I loved my mage at 60 considering I could solo some of the trash in Naxx 40 and solo aligator trash in ZG farming Bijous.

It was an awesome aspect of the class, even if it did seem somewhat overpowered looking back - it still gave a great flavour and non-traditional aspect to the class.

Oh and Warlock soloing Hydross and a mage soloing Razuvious were both hot-fixed pretty quick. Likewise, a paladin soloing Kazzak didnt last too long either.

I think these are exceptions to the debate, since they are essentially bug exploits.

][cEMAN**

Tell ya what. I'll give it a go, and shut ye's up? Sound fair enough? I went in to do it the other night and cleared the trash up to the first boss, but had to go raid.

The only problem i've ever come across soloing an instance are mobs who heal themselves. Paladins don't have many interrupts, and none against some bosses. If you get a group of 2 healers, you don't have enough burst to take them down quickly enough so that they won't heal each other.

Oh, and WellyJ, he didn't contradict himself. You're just reading into it what you want. Eg. Holy Paladin isn't the same as a prot paladin, but they're the same class. Stop nitpicking.

WellyJ

Fraps it.

And yes he did contradict himself.

"After getting hit with nerfs pretty much every update since wotlk, we are now just like the rest of the classes."

"And Loken on heroic isnt that hard, i dropped him from 40% myself before. Easily achieved, just dont **** up and get your death strikes in for the heals."

If this is a contradiction that what is it?

nix

WellyJ wrote: »

Contradictions galore.

You say DKs are now just like the rest of the classes, then go onto say that soloing Loken on heroic isn't hard and that you got him to 40% etc. Are you forgetting which class you play

Oh and to address this comment, from 40% to 0% not from 100% to 40%

How did i miss that, Slow me huh?

WellyJ wrote: »

Fraps it.

And yes he did contradict himself.

"After getting hit with nerfs pretty much every update since wotlk, we are now just like the rest of the classes."

"And Loken on heroic isnt that hard, i dropped him from 40% myself before. Easily achieved, just dont **** up and get your death strikes in for the heals."

If this is a contradiction that what is it?

Have the decency of reading my posts right please if your gonna dish out critique, ive seen other classes do the same whilst i was lying dead in wait for a wipe. a hunter and shaman spring to mind.