Massa accident

vectra

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Massa Accident
Hit by Barrichello's Torsion Bar
Hope he will be ok.
only a week after the Surtees accident

kenon

It really smashed him in the face. Smacked him on the chin apparently.

Barrichello must of been close as the part was in the air.

vectra

kenon wrote: »

Barrichello must of been close as the part was in the air.

Apparently Rubens was 3-400 meters ahead.:eek:

amacachi

Nasty.

Knew something odd had happened the way the skid marks lined up with the corner. Fingers crossed for a speedy recovery, though he has 4 weeks off now anyway.

EvilMonkey

How can that happen 2 weeks in a row?
If the graphic is right massa was on full throttle and the break when he hit.
Looks like he slowed allot more than i thought when i first saw him in the barrier.
I wonder if they found the piece that hit him.

amacachi wrote: »

Nasty.

Knew something odd had happened the way the skid marks lined up with the corner. Fingers crossed for a speedy recovery, though he has 4 weeks off now anyway.

Yeah you knew something strange happened for him not to end up the way he did in the barrier.

dr.bollocko

That's hard to watch. Did it just knock him unconscious? He didn't seem to be doing anything to try and stop the inevitable.

celticfc

Just look at the G-force graphic go off the scale when he hits the wall. :eek:

He also had his foot planted on the throttle throughout (albeit not enguaged in a gear).

EvilMonkey

dr.bollocko wrote: »

That's hard to watch. Did it just knock him unconscious? He didn't seem to be doing anything to try and stop the inevitable.

He slowed it down a good bit i think.

kenon

celticfc wrote: »

Just look at the G-force graphic go off the scale when he hits the wall. :eek:

When the g-force goes above a certain level, a warning light is turned on and the driver is advised to be checked by a doctor, crash or no crash.

Barrichello was giving an interview in which he said something happened to his car, that something had gone on it at the back.

leeroybrown

While he was unlucky to be hit by it, he's also lucky that it hit him on a strong part of the helmet rather than his visor or dipping under his chin into the cabin. The amount of energy that suspension component had was astounding. It looks like it was travelling close to 100m with each bounce.

amacachi

As always it's a matter of millimetres here and there. The slowmo in the clip really shows how hard he was hit, but a slight difference here or there and he could've be done.
Don't think the impact with the wall was all that bad tbh, the gmeter light is very precautionary.

Anyone save that clip yet? Expecting it to be pulled any second.

mike65

I had to watch that 3 times before I spotted the bar-piece had bounced over the front of the car into his helmet.

EvilMonkey

Looks like a spring, would explain why it bounced along so far with so much energy.
Massa is very luckey, glad he seems to be ok.

Ghost Train

Looking at the replay, Rubens was already around the corner and the direction of the spring looks like it flew over the corner before it hit Massa. Also in the replay looks like Massa visor might have been broken off by the impact. Really freak accident if it did travel that distance and hit him. The crash barrier seemed to absorb the impact pretty well, wasn't a sudden stop. Main damage to Massa looks like it was the suspension part (looked very like big sping)


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Firewalkwithme

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zhdm6ykEEk

Ghost Train

I See Rubens said that Massa was cut on his head, would be interesting to see what condition the helmet was in

"He was very agitated," Barrichello told Brazil's Globo TV. "He had a cut in his head, which could have been from the part of my car that was on the track. He was talking, was conscious, but they have to analyze the cut."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jz_jySb-3S8naLUnvDUgd3WQFtuwD99LH15G0

kenon

Ghost Train wrote: »

looks like Massa visor might have been broken off by the impact.

Thats possible, Barrichello said that Massa had a cut on his head when he was being taken to hospital. Link.

Ghost Train got there before me.

Ghost Train

kenon wrote: »

Thats possible, Barrichello said that Massa had a cut on his head when he was being taken to hospital. Link.

Ghost Train got there before me.

Yep, looking at the replay again, wonder might he have been knocked out well before the corner and the breaking was just light pressure on the breaks the way they were locking and unlocking or was it him trying to control it. Normally a driver would stamp on the breaks and just lock both front and rear to stop. Plus the way theres no steering input at all like you'd normally get, but his vision could have been obscured

fishfoodie

Mercifully the torsion bar would now be a CF part. If it was still a metal part it would have killed him flatout at that kind of speed.

leeroybrown

fishfoodie wrote: »

Mercifully the torsion bar would now be a CF part. If it was still a metal part it would have killed him flatout at that kind of speed.

If you watch the ultra low-speed video that Cartoon_Head posted at the end of page one you can see that it's actually a large metal spring. A solid metal or carbon fibre part would never have been able to travel that far.

Ghost Train

Okay theres a pictures of the crash here and one of the injury as he's being taken out of the car, cut very close to his eye, looks serious enough that I doubt he will race tomorrow. Hopefully it looks worse than it is and he will recover fully. Kinda graphic picture btw
http://www.gazzetta.it/gallery/Formula1/07-2009/incidente_massa/pauroso-incidente-massa-50859624260.shtml

kenon

Ghost Train wrote: »

Yep, looking at the replay again, wonder might he have been knocked out well before the corner and the breaking was just light pressure on the breaks the way they were locking and unlocking or was it him trying to control it. Normally a driver would stamp on the breaks and just lock both front and rear to stop. Plus the way theres no steering input at all like you'd normally get, but his vision could have been obscured

I dont think he was completely out cold, Id say he was semi-concious, dazed. He did apply the brakes, but the throttle was open and there was no steering effort from him and in the replay his hands seem loose on the wheel.

madamefifi

Latest pic here, shows he was hit on the visor, near his eye, not hit on the chin warning, pic is a bit graphic. Barichello reports he is agitated, often the case after a head injury. Hope he is ok.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/massa-suffers-terrible-accident-warning-article-contains-graphic-image-181.html

BoardsRanger

madamefifi wrote: »

Latest pic here, shows he was hit on the visor, near his eye, not hit on the chin warning, pic is a bit graphic. Barichello reports he is agitated, often the case after a head injury. Hope he is ok.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/massa-suffers-terrible-accident-warning-article-contains-graphic-image-181.html

Jeez- looks fairly bad! In one way terribly unlucky- in another hes so very lucky- imagine if the spring hit straight in the middle of his visor!:eek:

Ghost Train

madamefifi wrote: »

Latest pic here, shows he was hit on the visor, near his eye, not hit on the chin warning, pic is a bit graphic. Barichello reports he is agitated, often the case after a head injury. Hope he is ok.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/massa-suffers-terrible-accident-warning-article-contains-graphic-image-181.html

doesn't look as bad close up, hopefully just a cut eyebrow

tommiejoie

This is such a terrible accident, and those picture make it look really bad. Watching him in the cockpit after he hit the wall was an eerie reminder of Surtees last week. My heart goes out to the guy.

thebman

It looks like he was unconsious TBH when looking at the shots with the data of brake/accel/g-meter displayed on screen assuming they are accurate.

He's feet go on both accelerator and break and his hands go limp on the wheel. He makes no effort to steer or anything like that.

I was shocked seeing it especially his head getting knocked back. Image above of cut is a bit distrubing. Would have thought the helmet would have held up better but I guess its where it hit him.

EJ said it was on the chin but obviously not. At least Massa is ok. Doesn't look serious enough to cause permanent damage although we'll have to wait to see what doctors/team say.

leeroybrown

Presumably there will be a very detailed inquiry into this - not to punish anyone but to find out how exactly this happened. The Brawn is interesting in that it uses coil springs instead of torsion bars at the rear.

tommiejoie

Starting to sound a bit more serious; scull damage and a concussion. I'd be surprised to see him back before the end of the season, depending on the true severity of those injuries.

fishfoodie

madamefifi wrote: »

Latest pic here, shows he was hit on the visor, near his eye, not hit on the chin warning, pic is a bit graphic. Barichello reports he is agitated, often the case after a head injury. Hope he is ok.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/massa-suffers-terrible-accident-warning-article-contains-graphic-image-181.html

Massa is incredibly lucky to be alive. It's one thing for an incident to happen where there was a run off & a decent tire barrier, as that's where most accidents occur; it would be a different if it happened at full throttle without the protection.

As was said at the start of the BBCs' coverage, it goes to show that motor racing is still a dangerous sport.

leeroybrown

thebman wrote: »

Would have thought the helmet would have held up better but I guess its where it hit him.

I actually think that the hemet held up very well. Given the size and density/stiffness of that spring along with the combined velocity, I'd suggest that the impact was probably well outside the design specifications for the helmet.

Ghost Train

tommiejoie wrote: »

Starting to sound a bit more serious; scull damage and a concussion. I'd be surprised to see him back before the end of the season, depending on the true severity of those injuries.

Hard to know, could still be minor fracture, when they say he needs to be operated on might just be for the cut etc. Hope all goes well for him whatever is involved.

madamefifi

Hmm, you don't stay in intensive care if getting operated on for a cut though. been there in many ways. my son has a severe head injury after a road crash. needed rehab, but ok now. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

samsemtex

Graphic image:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/wp-content/uploads/Mass-cut2.jpg
Fookin hell, he is a very very lucky boy not to have lost an eye.

Frank Bullitt

samsemtex wrote: »

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/wp-content/uploads/Mass-cut2.jpg

Fookin hell, he is a very very lucky boy not to have lost an eye.

Or be dead?

Sherifu

Wow, when I viewed this earlier today I didn't think it was so serious. Lucky guy.

amacachi

"Skull damage" can mean almost anything tbh, once the brain is just concussed and nothing else then he'll be back for the next race I'd wager.

delspeed78

Sky reporting he is in a 'life threatening condition.'

Ghost Train

I'd say like any head injury like this he will be watched very closely, incase theres swelling or internal bleeding

Felipe Massa has undergone surgery this afternoon at the AEK hospital in Budapest and the outcome of the procedure was positive. Now, Felipe will remain under observation in intensive care. An update on his condition will be issued late tomorrow morning.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/07/update-on-felipe-1.html

Voodu Child

Associated Press are also reporting that he is in 'life-threating' condition.

I hope this is just a language mixup related to the fact that he will be in intensive care for observation.

leeroybrown

amacachi wrote: »

"Skull damage" can mean almost anything tbh, once the brain is just concussed and nothing else then he'll be back for the next race I'd wager.

If it was just a concussion then he'd almost certainly be back. It is almost a month till Valencia. If he requires any serious surgical work on his skull he could be out for a very long time. He won't be allowed to race is there's a risk of a subsequent crash damaging an already weakened skull.

delspeed78 wrote: »

Sky reporting he is in a 'life threatening condition.'

They do like to ham it up at times though, don't they.

amacachi

Aye but like I said, skull fracture can mean anything. A broken nose or broken cheek can be a skull fracture if the doc wants it to be.

Hopefully Sky are just being tools, don't like that the AP are reporting it that way though.

amacachi

madamefifi wrote: »

Hmm, you don't stay in intensive care if getting operated on for a cut though. been there in many ways. my son has a severe head injury after a road crash. needed rehab, but ok now. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

When all the money in the world is available you'll be kept in hospital for anything though.

Ghost Train

They do say he is stable, obviously things are pretty serious though.

amacachi

AP quoting the doctors that they'll try and wake him tomorrow, sounds good.

Ghost Train

heres another story, not that positive, but again tabloid paper and at this stage I suppose everything is just speculation
http://translate.google.ie/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazzetta.it%2FMotori%2FFormula1%2F25-07-2009%2Fspavento-massa-50859655624.shtml&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1

amacachi

Department of Defence eh? :P

Sky said the docs are saying he is in critical condition, but also that for the surgery he had he is in satisfactory condition and they'll try and wake him tomorrow, so it's looking good.

Ghost Train

amacachi wrote: »

Department of Defence eh? :P

Sky said the docs are saying he is in critical condition, but also that for the surgery he had he is in satisfactory condition and they'll try and wake him tomorrow, so it's looking good.

might be googles slightly dodgy translation, but yeah this seems to make sense

"The doctor did not want to answer the question whether the pilot is in danger of life and whether the incident will have repercussions. A clearer idea about the actual conditions of mass you will probably tomorrow morning."

Hope Massa has a good night in Hospital

Irishshin

Apparently reports on Sky / Ap about him being in "life Threatening Condition" are to be ignored. He is stable after his op and latest brain scan clear according to James Allen

https://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1

ronnie3585

Good news there from James Allen.

ignore reports on Sky/AP that Massa is in life threatening condition. He's stable after an op and will be okay. Long recuperation though

Massa's doctor reporting to Brazilian media that brain scan is clear and signs are positive.

Stay cool Massa baby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsSmGPLMVno

Dilbert75

Hope that's the case - its only when I saw the slo-mo that I realised (a) what size the thing was and (b) where it hit him. Looks to me like the helmet did a pretty good job.