Chimps Can Get AIDS

Galvasean

Source:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090722-chimps-aids.html

I'm guessing this should be the final nail in the coffin of the idea that some religious folk hold that God sent AIDS to punish the homosexuals.
Or will they merely fob it off?

karlog

God hates chimps!!

Red Hand

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a species jumper. They say that ebola outbreaks come from people hunting and eating primates, too.

Galvasean

karlog wrote: »

God hates chimps!!

Silly God, it's them dirty bonobos that do the homosexual fornicating.

ChocolateSauce

I thought it had been generally assumed that AIDs jumped to humans from chimps?

Does that mean god hates beastiality?

jayteecork

When I was in primary school the "word on the street" was that AIDS was brought about by some black guy fúcking a monkey!

steppen

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

I thought it had been generally assumed that AIDs jumped to humans from chimps?

Does that mean god hates beastiality?

Yeah, I think this too,

from what I remember HIV is a mixture of SIV (Simian) and influenza 1

dvpower

Galvasean wrote: »

Source:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090722-chimps-aids.html

I'm guessing this should be the final nail in the coffin of the idea that some religious folk hold that God sent AIDS to punish the homosexuals.
Or will they merely fob it off?

I can confidently predict that the Westboro Baptist Church will, in the coming days, issue a statement confirming their disbandment.

kiffer

... Surly this is not news to you?

I was of the understanding that aids probably jumped from apes(chimps) to humans via bush meat...

People will eat anything... Mmm tasty tasty random dead animal.

edit: should have read the article... Makes more sense now...

Mena

karlog wrote: »

God hates chimps!!.com

Corrected that for you, mind, the !! will never work in a domain name but that's just semantics.

Zombrex

Wait, didn't we original get HIV from chimps? Through the polo vaccine?

Zillah

Wicknight wrote: »

Wait, didn't we original get HIV from chimps?

Yes.

Through the polo vaccine?

No. What?

Wait, polio? Apparently it's one of the theories, never heard that one before. http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/state2000-04.html

darjeeling

Wicknight wrote: »

Wait, didn't we original get HIV from chimps? Through the polo vaccine?

The vaccine with the hole? There was an idea promoted in a book by journalist Edward Hooper that, during the 1950s, HIV contaminated polio vaccines cultured in cells from primate kidneys, and then crossed into humans via mass vaccine trials in Central Africa. Crucially, it was thought that HIV had first appeared in humans around this time. However, later work on the HIV genetic sequence diversity that has evolved in humans since the first infection has pushed the chimp-human transmission date back in time to perhaps the start of the 20th century or earlier.

Zombrex

darjeeling wrote: »

The vaccine with the hole? There was an idea promoted in a book by journalist Edward Hooper that, during the 1950s, HIV contaminated polio vaccines cultured in cells from primate kidneys, and then crossed into humans via mass vaccine trials in Central Africa. Crucially, it was thought that HIV had first appeared in humans around this time. However, later work on the HIV genetic sequence diversity that has evolved in humans since the first infection has pushed the chimp-human transmission date back in time to perhaps the start of the 20th century or earlier.

Bah, you and your science!

aujopimur

Bushmeat, that sounds interisting

lostexpectation

chimps are gay

Stercus Accidit

lostexpectation wrote: »

chimps are gay

Phelps should start protesting at the zoo.


Preferably in the lions cages.

CDfm

darjeeling wrote: »

However, later work on the HIV genetic sequence diversity that has evolved in humans since the first infection has pushed the chimp-human transmission date back in time to perhaps the start of the 20th century or earlier.

I worked in the product development and technical side of life assurance and this has been a prevalent view for quite some time.

Doctor DooM

Poor Sean was a little late on the boat here.

There's an interesting series on AIDS deniers on youtube by a guy called concordance. Funnily enough they seem to use the same type of tactics as the more fundy creationists.

CDfm

lostexpectation wrote: »

chimps are gay

So are dolphins - thats why the one in Dingle is called Funguy:)

Nodin

Galvasean wrote: »

Source:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090722-chimps-aids.html

I'm guessing this should be the final nail in the coffin of the idea that some religious folk hold that God sent AIDS to punish the homosexuals.
Or will they merely fob it off?

The latter, in pathetic yet funny style.

Nodin

lostexpectation wrote: »

chimps are gay

The hairy ones are called 'bears'.

The Mad Hatter

Nodin wrote: »

The hairy ones are called 'bears'.

There's a Joanna Newsom song called Monkey and Bear about the love between a monkey and a bear. How prophetic...

Galvasean

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

There's a Joanna Newsom song called Monkey and Bear about the love between a monkey and a bear. How prophetic...

"THE BEAR IS FULL OF AIDS!!!"

stevejazzx

darjeeling wrote: »

The vaccine with the hole? There was an idea promoted in a book by journalist Edward Hooper that, during the 1950s, HIV contaminated polio vaccines cultured in cells from primate kidneys, and then crossed into humans via mass vaccine trials in Central Africa. Crucially, it was thought that HIV had first appeared in humans around this time. However, later work on the HIV genetic sequence diversity that has evolved in humans since the first infection has pushed the chimp-human transmission date back in time to perhaps the start of the 20th century or earlier.

Yeah I still harbour a conspiratorial mind about that one. I remember Rolling stone magazine did an article on it and ended up getting sued. I remember thinking it made very good sense at the time.

CDfm

stevejazzx wrote: »

Yeah I still harbour a conspiratorial mind about that one. I remember Rolling stone magazine did an article on it and ended up getting sued. I remember thinking it made very good sense at the time.

I spoke to an actuary/underwriter in the early 90s and they had statistical data on aids related diseases going back thru the years which showed a variations from heterosexual populations to the early 20th century.

I think there is a lot of stereotyping in the more wacko theories.

darjeeling

stevejazzx wrote: »

Yeah I still harbour a conspiratorial mind about that one. I remember Rolling stone magazine did an article on it and ended up getting sued. I remember thinking it made very good sense at the time.

Hooper's HIV-via-polio vaccine thesis was certainly taken seriously by the scientific community for a while around 1999. The renowned biologist and selfish gene pioneer Bill Hamilton thought it deserved investigating, and helped convene a Royal Society meeting to discuss it (Hamilton died months later through malaria contracted while looking for more evidence). Since 1999, though, the evidence has been stacking up against the thesis:

• Chimp kidneys would have to have been used for polio virus culture in the labs in eastern Congo, yet there are only anecdotal reports from technicians that this might have happened; the literature indicated that monkey kidneys were used. Studies of archived vaccine samples confirmed this, and found no SIV or HIV present.
  
• The SIV strain in the chimps would have to have been the closest to human HIV1, yet the most similar strains have been only found in a subspecies of chimp that lives much further west.
  
• The modelling of HIV1 genetic sequence evolution also has to be wrong, allowing for much more rapid genetic divergence than is currently thought.
  
• Apparently the Congo epidemiology didn't really fit either, with poor correspondence between vaccination centres and early HIV cases.

At least up until a few years ago, Hooper was still pressing his case, by then talking of a western medical conspiracy to prevent undermining of confidence in vaccination, and using plenty of ad hominem attacks on the scientists who had given him a fair hearing before concluding he was wrong.

Reverting a bit to topic, a paper this year used a genetic sequence-based method to date the origins of chimp SIV (-> HIV1 in Central Africa) and sooty mangabey SIV (-> the forgotten HIV2 in West Africa) and estimated that both are only centuries old (here). Perhaps, then, it shouldn't be so surprising that SIV is pathological in chimps. The next question is where the SIVs came from before they got into their present hosts.

I've been trying to figure how to give this post an A&A slant, but nothing has come to me, so I shall simply commend it into the hands of the mods.

CDfm

darjeeling - I think its enough to say that it isn't a gay plague and the science shows its elsewhere. Most Christians believe in the rational world and agree with you.The ones that dont -well enough said. Viruses jump species and can mutate.

CD

Rev. Kitchen

Galvasean wrote: »

Source:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090722-chimps-aids.html

I'm guessing this should be the final nail in the coffin of the idea that some religious folk hold that God sent AIDS to punish the homosexuals.
Or will they merely fob it off?

He sent it to punish homosexuals , gay people and gay monkeys

Chimp aids does sound funny

DaveMaC

Yip and cats get AIDS too, FAIDS -with the F for Feline.
And No!
-- they dont get it from eating homosexual chimp meat...

CDfm

Its the demon drink that causes it as this video explains.


http://www.maniacworld.com/drunk-animals-of-africa.html

robindch

CDfm wrote: »

Its the demon drink that causes it as this video explains.

That scene is from the 35-year old documentary, Animals are Beautiful People which was (still) available two years back from the Laser video rental shop in Ranelagh.

Highly recommended.