Sound Engineering

jamjargod

I have already posted this in the "college" section but thought i would get a better response here. Im looking into studying recording engineering and music production. I have already applied for the mudic production course in Ballyfermot college, but i am struggling to find any other similar courses. Had anyone here studied music production? or does anyone know any similar courses? any help would be appreciated. Cheers

Strings.ie

I think Limerick do some related courses that might be worth checking out. If you are in the money there are plenty of private schools teaching sound engineering, especially in the UK - see the back of Sound On Sound Magazine.

Ultimately though, my advice as someone who has done music tech is to think carefully. There are no jobs to be had. I wish I had spent the 3 years I did doing something more useful that would have led to a job.

But if your reason for doing this is for your personal knowledge/satisfaction/hobby go for it.

jamjargod

Strings.ie wrote: »

I think Limerick do some related courses that might be worth checking out. If you are in the money there are plenty of private schools teaching sound engineering, especially in the UK - see the back of Sound On Sound Magazine.

Ultimately though, my advice as someone who has done music tech is to think carefully. There are no jobs to be had. I wish I had spent the 3 years I did doing something more useful that would have led to a job.

But if your reason for doing this is for your personal knowledge/satisfaction/hobby go for it.

Hmmm i can see what you mean about getting a job, tried doing an Arts course in Maynooth last year and ended up dropping out, wasnt for me, iv been interested in music production for years, facinated by the likes of Martin Hannet and Steve Albini, just something id love to do, but yeah in terms of working afterwards, its probably not the greatest career path. Thanks for the advice though, will check out limerick, dont have the sponds for private school.

the_syco

Do a search about it, on here. A few people have done it, and the PLC's are hit and miss. Seems some have crap teachers, whilst others are legendary.

Mate did it, as he likes music. Couldn't get a job out of it, but I think he found it handy for learning how to use the software, which he now uses to produce his bands albums.

PMI

Love the way we are all so polite on here if this was sound on sound forum the course and industry would of been explained in a very different way and then informed people that you WONT get a job after the course anyway

tweeky

Hi JJG,
Skip College, buy a secondhand macbook/cheap mbox/logic, learn how to use them with the free tutorials on the web, listen to loads of music, read how Mr's Hannett and Albini did/do their stuff (it's all on the web for you to read and try) make loads of mistakes, get better, make loads of music!!!!!!
This the only advice you should need.
PS. There are no jobs....sorry.
PSS Make your own by being good.

dav nagle

tweeky wrote: »

Hi JJG,
Skip College, buy a secondhand macbook/cheap mbox/logic, learn how to use them with the free tutorials on the web, listen to loads of music, read how Mr's Hannett and Albini did/do their stuff (it's all on the web for you to read and try) make loads of mistakes, get better, make loads of music!!!!!!
This the only advice you should need.
PS. There are no jobs....sorry.
PSS Make your own by being good.

Yep in a nutshell +1

i57dwun4yb1pt8

jamjargod wrote: »

Hmmm i can see what you mean about getting a job, tried doing an Arts course in Maynooth last year and ended up dropping out, wasnt for me, iv been interested in music production for years, facinated by the likes of Martin Hannet and Steve Albini, just something id love to do, but yeah in terms of working afterwards, its probably not the greatest career path. Thanks for the advice though, will check out limerick, dont have the sponds for private school.

is it something you do ?

or something you 'love to do '

if you aint already doing it at home , then forget it .

the guys that are doing it at home already are way ahead of you and no course will help you pass them out.

Famous45

I done the course at Ballyfermot 10 years ago and have to say it was the worst move of my life. I ended up getting a decent job out of it due to a contact in my local town who I worked with occasionally. The only option for you is to do the course in Thames Valley in English, it's a fantastic course and highly recognised but you are too late to apply now. Stick with what you have for this year coming but I encourage you to apply to Thames Valley, there is also one in Glamorgan I think. These are bout highly recognised. I'll be honest with you there's no future in it in Ireland, there wasn't 10 years ago so there definitely isn't now. I've always regretted not going to Thames Valley so I am happy to advise you on taking that route. Best of luck

PaulBrewer

tweeky wrote: »

PSS Make your own by being good.

Ultimately that's it.

PMI

Famous45 wrote: »

I done the course at Ballyfermot 10 years ago and have to say it was the worst move of my life. I ended up getting a decent job out of it due to a contact in my local town who I worked with occasionally. The only option for you is to do the course in Thames Valley in English, it's a fantastic course and highly recognised but you are too late to apply now. Stick with what you have for this year coming but I encourage you to apply to Thames Valley, there is also one in Glamorgan I think. These are bout highly recognised. I'll be honest with you there's no future in it in Ireland, there wasn't 10 years ago so there definitely isn't now. I've always regretted not going to Thames Valley so I am happy to advise you on taking that route. Best of luck

No course is recognised by anyone in this game.....

Thames Valley would be a no go too, the UK is flooded with guys doing this and I mean flooded more than ireland could ever dream of....

Learn yourself and really learn yourself, do as much different work as you can with bands etc... NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK you will be more likely to get in the door somewhere with a list of bands and experiences than with a certificate saying you can apparently do it on paper.

if6was9

I don't know - I think it's worth going to a college to learn some of the stuff you won't learn on your own- like how the gear actually works and some of the technical and mathematical aspects of it all.
I suppose though regarding music production itself you wont learn anything in a few years of college that someone who's been producing a few months on their own hasn't come across. There's NEVER been a time like this to learn on your own- with the amount of books, magazines and especially internet forums and sites plus the gear you get for your money is ridicoulous, there really is no excuse.
The contacts you make in college can be great too for getting started afterwards. I only finished up 4 years in Limerick- Video and Sound Technology in May there. I can easily say I learned about 2% or less of what i know about recording and mixing music in college, the rest is from self study.
Also I got a regular job as a sound technician when I finished college, but my degree only showed them that I had some sort of qualification, I got the job by being good at it

bedbugs

I was amazed to hear last week that a course in Pulse costs something like €6.5k. Jesus, assuming you had a computer of some description, you could buy an excellent interface, a few mics, some basic acoustic treatment, some decent software and some tutorial dvds for that kind of money and teach yourself! (And frequent fora like this one, SOS and gearslutz)

Also, from what I've heard from some people who've done these courses, is that you get a lot of theory and that the practical aspect, while good, isn't something you get a chance to return to again and again.

Bottom line, if I had spent that much money on a course and wasn't getting a chance to use the gear every day, I'd be seriously pissed off. If you have it at home at least you can obsess yourself with finding out how everything works and have a lot of fun doing it.

The previous comment about making your own job is one you should take very seriously. If you're really good, bands, tv companies, directors etc, WILL want you to do work for them. It's a long haul, but so enjoyable and ultimately rewarding if you're into it enough.

Best of luck.

DamagedTrax

i think getting the education is a really good thing. but its not everything by any means at all. one of the major benefits is the networking and spending time with peers who (hopefully) will have similiar goals. i think the slight competition helps us push ourselves to be better, as afterall we love to hear ourselves getting better.

the cost is a huge factor though and spending the money on equipment first is definitly more important.

if you can afford it (or are lucky to have parents willing to pay for it) then it can be a rewarding couple of years. you do need to put in the work though. if you want to get anywhere from the college route then you need to be better than good.

PaulBrewer

Famous45 wrote: »

IThe only option for you is to do the course in Thames Valley in English, it's a fantastic course and highly recognised but you are too late to apply now.

On what basis can you recommend a course you've not done Famous ?

I'd say there are probably some good courses here. Poppyhill and Pulse as well as StudioRats Virtu would all have good reps here.

Aridstarling

Being in the middle of a Music Tech Course in Maynooth I can say its not really worthwhile from a practical point of view. I've learned everything I know about the practical side of things from working away myself. From an academic point of view its not a bad course, you learn a lot about maths and some (pyscho)acoustics but if you're looking to be lead along by the hand until you're ready to be the next Nigel Godrich then I'd recommend spending the money working away yourself. But I suppose, as DaDumTish said, if you're not already doing it yourself, its a waste of time.

happyoutscan

Don't go near Pulse, I did it a few years back and it was an absolute disaster. Didn't learn anything I couldn't have learned on my own. As many have said here, do it yourself and see how you get on.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

I just think its the same as being a musician , you can pick it up at home and if you are getting good and practising ,
then take lessons to fill in gaps - advance your abilitys

Personally I think picking up and getting good at sound engineering is more difficult than actually playing the music .

you need to know alot to get even reasonable results - where as you can become prettty good at music fast and simply

recording and mixing seems to be a very unforgiving endeavour- you have to be competent - and there is alot to learn.

put it this way -
ok, I had a head start with music , but i taught myself bass, and keys ( still going at it ) in roughtly a year each .
to a competent level .

but im to 2.5 years into recording and im only now getting good enough results- and thats from the good help on this forum , and other forums and some good books .
and just doing it , every day i could.
and im no slouch , im already trained in electronics and physics .
as well as music.

so , id say get you gear and do it at home and see how you feel.

PaulBrewer

happyoutscan wrote: »

Didn't learn anything I couldn't have learned on my own.

That's probably the case for anything in life !

Dravokivich

Details on more courses in this topic:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055576795

I'd also recommend Kylemore MTC, that's where i started learning about sound production, also led me into Ballyfermot.

- Drav!

Shoota

Hello there, I'm in a fairly similar place, 4 years of Science and an MSc, but wanted to do music production or something music related since forever but I had every dreamers nightmare, mental parents, who didnt quite see eye to eye with my plans...... hence the science! But I'm off to do the 1 year course in September in the Sound Training Centre in temple bar and I'm really excited!

I'll be honest and say I've bought an mbox and mics and other bits and pieces and been making tracks at home and recording my band for the last year and a half,(lets not talk about my four track recordings of Sweet child of mine with a computer mic and Audacity from back in the day.....:o) so I can understand the sentiment that its possible to do it without doing a course but, I found some things really difficult to grasp, so I decided to do the course, eventhough i'll be beyond broke........:(

I kind of see music production as a trade whereby you need hands on experience to improve and learn, I could of course be wrong but I'm willing to give it a shot!

Anyway, I'm sure there's loads a jobs..., right?!

PMI

I think it was already said, if your not already doing it, living eating and sleeping it then head off in a different direction.

Its not a job its a lifestyle as well make sure you have an understanding family/girlfriend whatever as its not a 9-5

There are guys that started when 12 recording and messing with gear and built from there and moved on and learned along the way....

Im 34 got my 4 track when I was 14 with drum machines etc..etc.. and at 17 I was using an SSL 6000 on off days in the studio I loved it and learned so much during them times, but times have changed you have to have something special in your tool belt that will make you get the job and thats not going to be a cert.

tubedude

Shoota wrote: »

Hello there, I'm in a fairly similar place, 4 years of Science and an MSc, but wanted to do music production or something music related since forever but I had every dreamers nightmare, mental parents, who didnt quite see eye to eye with my plans...... hence the science!

Man I wish I had parents with sense enough to have talked me out of studying sound engineering, and studying science or something...I might have some chance of making some money in my life...

PMI

NEVER RULE OUT YOUR DREAMS GUYS.... your long enough dead !!!

always keep picking away at it

dav nagle

If someone gets in your way guys just shoot them.

dav nagle

dav nagle wrote: »

If someone gets in your way guys just shoot them.

Thats a bit excessive dave..why not just give em a slap in the back of the head a shimmy past them..

dav nagle

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats a bit excessive dave..why not just give em a slap in the back of the head a shimmy past them..

I'm kidding and yes shimmy pass them but it's not always that easy

My name is Davan not Dave by the way

old gregg

well to pipe in cos I feel verbose today ... even after 'doing music' for 20+ years I decided to enrol in a FETAC level 5 sound engineering night class in Waterford city VEC last year for 6 months. Did I learn much new stuff? A little each night. However, in my case it was an opportunity to meet other folks of varying ages travelling on a similar road to myself, bounce ideas around and be exposed to loads of new genres, unlearn a few bad habits, pick up some practical advice and overall it's one of the best moves I've ever made. Not looking for a career doing studio work but just want to develop my own music .... and really explore the studio space

l6toneport

Don't bother going to a fee based college anyway they are just money making schemes, trust me. If the engineers that were teaching you were so great they would probably be too busy to teach. It gives these people a steady income and pays for them to buy gear you will only get to use the studio gear once or twice in a group situation so you may end up getting very little hands on experience. of course these courses can work in your favour if you put 100 per cent of your time into it, lick arse, make the connections make the most of your time there but lets see you pay rent in dublin for 2 years feed yourself and pay 14 grand fees for 2 years buy a state of the art pc or mac book (most lap tops wont do the trick) You'll have to buy your own mics, an interface, cables etc to try out hat you are learning. You could seriously build your own home studio for that money and have access to the gear whenever you want it. the majority of classes in these sound engineering courses are spent filling out useless work sheets for fetac and city and guilds in a little computer room. Infact one lecturer used to put on pro tools instructional videos in class on a projecter....on youtube. 7 grand a year to look at youtube and only get a sniff of the actual studios which will leave you begging for more. You can actually do all the course work online through berklee or whatever its called and take pro tools exams on your own.
Or instead of building a studio you could invest in a van and a p.a and do sound for local bands at cheap rates. You'll more learn more doing sound and recording yourself than wasting your life memorising signal flow diagrams.
Haha and then theres the fact that you go there with the intention of learning about recording music and end up standing outside stephens green in december doing a vox pop about the spice girls reunion?!?! or Being told to walk around dublin city recording sounds for a day or recording radio dramas and ads (and acting in them). these courses are misleading, music really isnt the main focus. They dont have regular times either ya can be kept in over night to record or 12 noon to 12 at night, on the weekend with a few days notice, its hard to keep down job or even get home with those hours.
But just because I had a bad experience doesnt mean you'll have one just go to the open days and do the interviews for the keep your options open. Although I dont thing the fee based school will turn anyone with 7 grand away so ya'd wonder why they do interviews. Read Sound on sound, computer music and future music and join all the major music softwares support forums, and of course my favourte lecturer mr youtube. Keep us posted on what you decide

p.s. I did a PLC course as well before the fee based and it sucked too!

DamagedTrax

Don't bother going to a fee based college anyway they are just money making schemes, trust me

unreal. of course they're a bloody money makng scheme. look up the definition of business in the dictionary.

its posts like this that lead to total misinformation.

studiorat is a working engineer, also does courses.

pulse has working engineers (both live and studio)

STC have working engineers.

are they all a waste of time. are they all run by has beens who never quite made it? (look up their client lists for your answer).

if you're gonna contribute then contribute with valuable information for or against but try to keep the BS out of it.

danjokill

"Read Sound on sound, computer music and future music"" are you for real ???? ........ this says it all .......... these publications are all brown envelope boys ...... trust nothing none of them ........ trust your own ears!!

I am so argry at this guy's post!!! ........ I use the things I learnt on my course everyday ...... signal flow, logs, acoustic's etc etc !!! (it was a fee paying one .........STC i wouldnt have a bad word said about a single one of them)

zero19

I done the fas one and it was savage, learned loads but i aint working now! I heard Pulse are doing their course in windmill lane studios now, that place is deadly

DamagedTrax

danjokill wrote: »

"Read Sound on sound, computer music and future music"" are you for real ???? ........ this says it all .......... these publications are all brown envelope boys ...... trust nothing none of them ........ trust your own ears!!

I am so argry at this guy's post!!! ........ I use the things I learnt on my course everyday ...... signal flow, logs, acoustic's etc etc !!! (it was a fee paying one .........STC i wouldnt have a bad word said about a single one of them)

exactly. cause SOS are really gonna teach you the signal flow of a neve/ssl/amek or whatever.

seems to me that most people that bash "paid" courses either got nowhere within the industry after doing them or else havent done them at all and are just repeating what they've read elsewhere.

danjokill

DamagedTrax wrote: »

exactly. cause SOS are really gonna teach you the signal flow of a neve/ssl/amek or whatever.

seems to me that most people that bash "paid" courses either got nowhere within the industry after doing them or else havent done them at all and are just repeating what they've read elsewhere.

Thank god I am not the only one!!!! -

Strings.ie

There are people out there who have the money and just want to advance their knowledge. They may or may not work or intend to work in sound engineering. But like others have said, networking is the only way in. Start off local, visit music venues/bands and offer your services for free. If you are good and reliable you might get some work out of it. If it is studio work you prefer, get some gear and record some people for cheap/free. Get a name. It takes a long time and dedication. Expect to be poor for a good while

In my experience the best sound engineers (Studio or live) not only need to be good with sound, they also need very good communication/people skills.

dav nagle

dav nagle wrote: »

My name is Davan not Dave by the way

Oh right...ill know for future reference...(although ill probably forget within a day or two if im honest)..never heard that name before..

But yeah, to the op..for the price of one of these courses..pulse for instance, you'd have yourself a biatching set up..all the info is available freely on the net if you look..i would nearly echo dadumtish when he said if you haven't been doing it yourself for a while, its a massive learning curve, although with the science behind you a lot of it would make more sense to yourself than someone who hadn't got it..
I would point too to the fact that these courses are pretty much ten a penny at the minute..and every second punter wants to do them..look at the back of any recording magazine like..each firing out 30 or 40 graduates a year or whatever..And their cleaning up..
My little bro like, went over to LDN a few years ago...spent maybe e15k on a course in alchemia..he was one of the two lucky ones to get a couple of jobs afterwards..He was in Metropolis for a while..then some other fairly big studio over there..but I reckon it took the joy out of it for him..He's back now six months maybe..Doesn't really mention it at all now..said he got sick of working 16 hours a day running after cables, making tea and answering the phone..
Could well be one way to ruin you're enjoyment of it..

dav nagle

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh right...ill know for future reference...(although ill probably forget within a day or two if im honest)..never heard that name before..

I spent money on gear and learnt the slow way at home doing bits and bobs for others and myself. Be cool dude I am not saying I am mad important I am just correcting my name. I used to call Studiorat 'Studio Rat' with a space and he corrected me no biggy hey.


To be honest mate I started in an attic of my parents home and never studied in college but I did get a diplomma in performing music so hay horses for courses.

PaulBrewer

Deleted User wrote: »

..said he got sick of working 16 hours a day running after cables, making tea and answering the phone..

That's the reality of the bottom rung on the studio ladder ....

i57dwun4yb1pt8

im not knocking courses, id love to do a good course one day

im just sayin - you need to be doing it first , and making some head way then find a course.- that you feel will give you the best

if you are sitting at home thinking , jeez , if i do a course i can be a sound engineer - thats no way to approach it .

get out there and record stuff.

DamagedTrax

He was in Metropolis for a while..then some other fairly big studio over there..but I reckon it took the joy out of it for him

sounds like it just wasnt for him..

sounds like heaven to me :cool:

l6toneport

DamagedTrax, all I did was give my opinion from first hand experience, thats what the dude asked for. I am not misleading anyone, merely speaking from my own experience.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

exactly. cause SOS are really gonna teach you the signal flow of a neve/ssl/amek or whatever.

seems to me that most people that bash "paid" courses either got nowhere within the industry after doing them or else havent done them at all and are just repeating what they've read elsewhere.

No SOS wouldn't teach you the signal flow, I didnt say that, the manual of the desk will teach you that (available as free pdf on the net) without spending so much money on a course....where do you think the lecturers learn it from?
And you are making assumptions, I did the course and I am working in the industry :P

Oh and the likes of Pulse send you a letter before ya go there to tell you to start buying SOS and FM and CM so how can you say that?

DamagedTrax

the manual of the desk will teach you that (available as free pdf on the net) without spending so much money on a course....where do you think the lecturers learn it from?

yes the blueprint will come in handy but it wont teach you the desk.

And you are making assumptions, I did the course and I am working in the industry :P

im not making any assumptions. i never said you werent.. quite where you're getting that from is beyond me

Oh and the likes of Pulse send you a letter before ya go there to tell you to start buying SOS and FM and CM so how can you say that?

im currently a student in pulse and i never got any letter saying that.

l6toneport

What wont it teach you about the desk? Most desks are the same in essence once you have a grasp of how a desk works and know basic electronic symbols, you shouldn't have a problem understanding the diagram.

"seems to me that most people that bash "paid" courses either got nowhere within the industry after doing them or else haven't done them at all and are just repeating what they've read elsewhere."
- that's where I got that from. If you are only doing Pulse now, you probably aren't working in the industry so how do you know you wont become another of the naysayers when ya get to the other side?

Pulse sent me a letter informing me to pick myself up a pc an external hard drive and headphones and to start reading SOS CM and FM thats not even 3 years ago! I think it was the acceptance letter.

As for the client list you mentioned, any big name brings their own engineers... they just rent the studio.

DamagedTrax

What wont it teach you about the desk? Most desks are the same in essence once you have a grasp of how a desk works and know basic electronic symbols, you shouldn't have a problem understanding the diagram.

so you're telling me that all someone (who's never touched a desk before) has to do is read a blueprint? cop on.

"seems to me that most people that bash "paid" courses either got nowhere within the industry after doing them or else haven't done them at all and are just repeating what they've read elsewhere."
- that's where I got that from.

where does that mention you? im going on the general attitude of some folks around here.

If you are only doing Pulse now, you probably aren't working in the industry so how do you know you wont become another of the naysayers when ya get to the other side?

i've gone back to college to do the evening course to brush up, get into new areas and get my protools certs. i can guarantee you im working in the industry a lot longer than you are. so who's making assumptions now?

Pulse sent me a letter informing me to pick myself up a pc an external hard drive and headphones and to start reading SOS CM and FM thats not even 3 years ago! I think it was the acceptance letter.

never seen that myself.

As for the client list you mentioned, any big name brings their own engineers... they just rent the studio.

total BS. for someone working in the industry you seem to have an awful lot of stereotyped ideas. only 4 days ago i recorded 2 huge names from the irish scene. they didnt bring me in from outside.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

DamagedTrax wrote: »

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only 4 days ago i recorded 2 huge names from the irish scene. they didnt bring me in from outside.

was it Adam and larry ,

or

Bono and edge ?

:D

DamagedTrax

DaDumTish wrote: »

was it Adam and larry ,

or

Bono and edge ?

:D

it was adam and paul actually

l6toneport

"so you're telling me that all someone (who's never touched a desk before) has to do is read a blueprint? cop on."
Man you are getting ridiculous, that's not what I said.

"where does that mention you? im going on the general attitude of some folks around here."
All the posts you put up on this thread since my first post on it, you have been talking about and/or to me so why wouldn't I think that?
If I was to say "some people are around here are some pig headed ignorant assholes" would you think I was or I wasnt refering to you?

You are making assumptions once again my friend how do you know you've been working longer than me? ha ha

I did the full time course so maybe that's why you didn't get that letter in fact I still have it here.

"total BS. for someone working in the industry you seem to have an awful lot of stereotyped ideas. only 4 days ago i recorded 2 huge names from the irish scene. they didnt bring me in from outside."

How are they stereotypical ideas? 2 huge names eh? And they picked you out to record them?
I was referring to the previous Pulse clients list: 50 Cent, Bryan Adams, Jon Bon Jovi, Snoop Dogg, The Datsuns, New Order. They just come and use the gear and their own people.

DamagedTrax

Man you are getting ridiculous, that's not what I said.

well then how can someone learn a desk from a blueprint? my point was that getting hands on with the desk is the best way to learn it.. not a blueprint off the web

All the posts you put up on this thread since my first post on it, you have been talking about and/or to me so why wouldn't I think that?
If I was to say "some people are around here are some pig headed ignorant assholes" would you think I was or I wasnt refering to you?

dude, check your paranoia at the door. i was in this discussion before you entered the thread and ive said exactly the same thing many times before.

You are making assumptions once again my friend how do you know you've been working longer than me? ha ha

so go for it. how long have you been doing this? unless your first session was in the early/mid 90's then im afraid i was right. if you are at it longer then you have my apologies.

2 huge names eh?

you really shouldnt have left out where i said "on the irish scene". im not claiming to do work that im not doing.

And they picked you out to record them?

whats that got to do with anything. they wanted studio time, i came with it. they didnt bring their own engineer.

I was referring to the previous Pulse clients list: 50 Cent, Bryan Adams, Jon Bon Jovi, Snoop Dogg, The Datsuns, New Order. They just come and use the gear and their own people.

i think you need to check who recorded some of those sessions. you may be pleasantly surprised.

l6toneport

"exactly. cause SOS are really gonna teach you the signal flow of a neve/ssl/amek or whatever."

You said you couldn't learn the signal flow from SOS (I never said you could). I suggested a way in which you could learn it for free. I did not say "if you look at the diagram you will know how to use the desk without ever going near a desk before".

"so go for it. how long have you been doing this? unless your first session was in the early/mid 90's then im afraid i was right. if you are at it longer then you have my apologies."

I started recording my stuff and my mates in the mid 90s alright but it was pretty lame equipment wise and I wasn't sure what I was doing but had a few older friends and family with experience so that helped but i didnt start making a living out of it until more recent times. Doesn't matter who is doing this longer anyway we are both entitled to our opinions.

"whats that got to do with anything. they wanted studio time, i came with it. they didnt bring their own engineer."

I was just wondering if they picked you out, simple question.

"i think you need to check who recorded some of those sessions. you may be pleasantly surprised"

Enlighten me then mate, maybe im wrong, link me to the info!

DamagedTrax

@davan

@davan...yeah man i wasn't being ****ty or anything like...i was actually saying i might remember it the next time..

And at DT..man ther's no need to be condescending..anyone with a vague notion of signal flow/electronics would be able to figure out pretty much any desk given the schematic..