Kellogs Frosties....Not bad for you!!!

Liam79

Ok so everyone says Frosties are a terrible cereal bla bla bla....
explain why to me....they contain <1% fat and only 114KCal in an avg 30g bowl served with low fat milk.....sure they contain sugar but that sugar is completely non-fattening as any doctor/dietican worth their salt (excuse the pun) will tell you. So they have less fat and KCal in an average bowl than Weetabix/Corn Flakes/SpecialK etc etc etc.....

So...again..how is this bad????

Malari

Because if you don't use the energy from sugar fairly quickly it is converted to fat and stored in the body.

g'em

Liam79 wrote: »

Ok so everyone says Frosties are a terrible cereal bla bla bla....
explain why to me....they contain <1% fat and only 114KCal in an avg 30g bowl served with low fat milk.....sure they contain sugar but that sugar is completely non-fattening as any doctor/dietican worth their salt (excuse the pun) will tell you. So they have less fat and KCal in an average bowl than Weetabix/Corn Flakes/SpecialK etc etc etc.....

So...again..how is this bad????

First, the average sized Irish bowl of cereal is more like 50-60g.

Second, Frosties have 37g of sugar per 100g. Sugar, in itself, has no fat. But sugar IS fattening. Sugar promotes the release of the hormone insulin in your boyd. Insulin tells your cells to "open" and take in fuel (food). The higher the insulin response the more your body stores.

The more frequently you promote these insulin spikes the less responsive your body gets and the more likely you are to store excess food as fat.

High sugar food lessens the body's ability to cope with excess food and promotes the storage of fat.

Liam79

Common mispreception and completely untrue Malari . Sugar whilst it may be bad for the teeth, is completely non fattening unless eaten to ridiculous excess!

Malari

Liam79 wrote: »

Common mispreception and completely untrue Malari . Sugar whilst it may be bad for the teeth, is completely non fattening unless eaten to ridiculous excess!

Yeah, see how g'em has responded in detail above.

But sure why not try it yourself. Go on a high sugar diet for a while and see if you don't start storing fat. :rolleyes:

g'em

Liam79 wrote: »

. Sugar whilst it may be bad for the teeth, is completely non fattening unless eaten to ridiculous excess!

What's excess? The recommended daily allowance for sugar is about 40g (USDA - and still too high imho). If you eat one regular bowl (~50g) of Frosties that's 19g of pure sugar right there.

Liam79

g'em wrote: »

First, the average sized Irish bowl of cereal is more like 50-60g.

Second, Frosties have 37g of sugar per 100g. Sugar, in itself, has no fat. But sugar IS fattening. Sugar promotes the release of the hormone insulin in your boyd. Insulin tells your cells to "open" and take in fuel (food). The higher the insulin response the more your body stores.

The more frequently you promote these insulin spikes the less responsive your body gets and the more likely you are to store excess food as fat.

High sugar food lessens the body's ability to cope with excess food and promotes the storage of fat.

Well made point, and I thank you. I never actually eat them, only ever eat weetabix. Let me give you an idea of my daily diet.
Breakfast - Weetabix (2) with Low Fat Milk and small glass of OJ, 1 plum
Break time - Coffee with half teaspoon of sugar
Lunch - Wrap, no butter, just a little relish and oven cooked chicken. I banana, Tea with no sugar, Low Fat milk.
Dinner - Grilled Salmon, Rice Noodles, Tomatoe Stir in with Boiled Mushrooms. Before dinner i always have a cup of home made soup containing nothing but nothing but veg and veg stock
If i get peckish in the evenings I will have a saltine cracker with low fat spreadable cheese.

I also walk 4 miles a day and have a Weight Watchers Yoghurt after my walk. (i am 30 y/o Male)

Is that a good diet and if so, would switching to Frosties for breakfast ruin it?
Thanks

g'em

Low Fat, High Sugar Diets Prompt Production of Saturated Fats

Penn

Liam79 wrote: »

Well made point, and I thank you. I never actually eat them, only ever eat weetabix. Let me give you an idea of my daily diet.
Breakfast - Weetabix (2) with Low Fat Milk and small glass of OJ, 1 plum
Break time - Coffee with half teaspoon of sugar
Lunch - Wrap, no butter, just a little relish and oven cooked chicken. I banana, Tea with no sugar, Low Fat milk.
Dinner - Grilled Salmon, Rice Noodles, Tomatoe Stir in with Boiled Mushrooms. Before dinner i always have a cup of home made soup containing nothing but nothing but veg and veg stock
If i get peckish in the evenings I will have a saltine cracker with low fat spreadable cheese.

I also walk 4 miles a day and have a Weight Watchers Yoghurt after my walk. (i am 30 y/o Male)

Is that a good diet and if so, would switching to Frosties for breakfast ruin it?
Thanks

I doubt switching to Frosties would ruin it, but it certainly wouldn't improve it, and wouldn't be as good for you when trying to lose weight as Weetabix.

Other than that, diet looks pretty good from what I can tell. Although I'd take out the sugar in the coffee and I'm not too sure what a saltine cracker is, but presuming its like a Tuc or something, would Ryvita not be better?

g'em

Liam79 wrote: »

Well made point, and I thank you. I never actually eat them, only ever eat weetabix. Let me give you an idea of my daily diet.
Breakfast - Weetabix (2) with Low Fat Milk and small glass of OJ, 1 plum
Break time - Coffee with half teaspoon of sugar
Lunch - Wrap, no butter, just a little relish and oven cooked chicken. I banana, Tea with no sugar, Low Fat milk.
Dinner - Grilled Salmon, Rice Noodles, Tomatoe Stir in with Boiled Mushrooms. Before dinner i always have a cup of home made soup containing nothing but nothing but veg and veg stock
If i get peckish in the evenings I will have a saltine cracker with low fat spreadable cheese.

Your diet is quiet low in protein (vital for maintaining body health and for appetite satiation and control) and good fats (actually very, VERY necessary for proper body fat control).

Nothing wrong with Weetabix at all. Fruit juices are a bit of a con - high sugar, low in fibre, either juice them yourself or stick to whole fruit. Add some chopped almonds or other nuts to the Weetabix to add fats/ protein and make it more filling.

If you're peckish mid-morning don't be afraid to eat a small snack - some cheese or some nuts or nut spread on ryvita; low GI and as unprocessed as possible (white sugar is the ultimate processed food tbh - bleached, dyed, stripped and torn of all it's nutrients).

Lunch and dinner look ok but a little small? Add nuts and nut/ seed oils to your stirfry for taste and satiety. The soup before dinner is a very good aid for controlling appetite.

Loose the low-fat cheese, it's amazingly high in salt and sugar. Whole, unprocessed foods eaten in moderation are generally the way to go - very little hidden salt, sugar and additives.

And Frosties first thing are a terrible idea - starting the day on an insulin spike is a recipe for over-eating indulgences later in the day.

Liam79

Sound advice , thanks lads. What kind of nuts would u recommend? i presume those WW Meals u see in the shops to microwave are to be avoided?
i genereally am never hungry except at night time. I have lost 19 pounds in 2 1/2 months on the above diet. For salmon substitute grilled chicken or grilled low fat bacon and thats pretty much what I eat. I often have one bad day a weekend!

rubadub

Liam79 wrote: »

sugar is completely non-fattening as any doctor/dietican worth their salt (excuse the pun) will tell you.

Please name and shame any doctor or dietitian who told you that. They should be struck off the register!

I seriously thought this post was a wind up. Get yourself a bowl & scale and weigh out 30g of frosties.

This is a photo of 35g of muesli


http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/products/frosties/Cereal/frosties.aspx

Maize, Sugar, Barley Malt Flavouring, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Glucose-Fructose Syrup, Niacin, Iron, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (B2), Thiamin (B1), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12.

Translation.
Processed carbs, sugar, sugar, salt, chalk, sugar, crushed up vitamin tablet so it appears OK.

i presume those WW Meals u see in the shops to microwave are to be avoided

Most WW meals are simply overpriced smaller portions and heavily watered down versions of normal microwave meals. I have yet to see one with wholegrain pasta or rice etc. The WW points system is heavily biased against fat, so instead of fat they stick in sugar to make it palatable and keep the points down.

I would sooner give a kid a bowl of porridge or porridge pancakes and a mini mars as a treat rather than frosties.

Dimaer

Carbs are all fine as long as you put it in right limits. Calories - that is what important.
As long as you do your exercise and looking after your calories intake - you will be fine.
Of course, you should stick to health option for your meals and cereals is not bad option.
I lost myself fairly easy 2.5 stones within 3 month time, by taking 2 bowls of cereals and one meal (+exercises). I like cereals as they keep you full, healthy and tasty

Edwardius

Liam79 wrote: »

sure they contain sugar but that sugar is completely non-fattening as any doctor/dietican worth their salt (excuse the pun) will tell you.
So...again..how is this bad????

Haha, what species are you talking about here?!

mloc

g'em wrote: »

...The more frequently you promote these insulin spikes the less responsive your body gets and the more likely you are to store excess food as fat.

High sugar food lessens the body's ability to cope with excess food and promotes the storage of fat.

This situation, known as insulin resistance, is a pre-cursor to Type II Diabetes and has a huge effect on your general metabolism. Insulin resistant individuals generally (although not always) have excess adiposity (e.g. overweight) and high levels of LDL cholesterol (the bad kind).

corkcomp

bottom line, frosties are not a health food, however there is no point trying to say they are bad.. period - there is no one size fits all .. if a very active person has 50g of frosties for breakfast its not going to kill them .. a breakfast roll could have 1200Cal - it would be difficult to eat that much in frosties!!

Ive seen that picture of the muesli in the bowl pop up several times - in fairness the bowl is at least twice the size of any soup / dessert bowl ive seen in any irish kitchen ...

jam_mac_jam

Liam79 wrote: »

Common mispreception and completely untrue Malari . Sugar whilst it may be bad for the teeth, is completely non fattening unless eaten to ridiculous excess!

no, sugar is fattening and you only have to eat a little more than you need every day to put on weight. not ridiculous excess, hence the amount of overweight people you see around the place that's from excess cheap sugar. Cereal is lethal(for weight not litterally), full of sugar and doesnt fill you up, people dont get fat from porridge they get fat from eating crap like frosties. Just have a cake for breakfast and stop fooling yourself.