[PR] 50c City Centre Fare - Dublin Bus

Victor

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/50c-City-Centre-Fare/

50c City Centre Fare
Monday, July 20, 2009

To mark the launch of the College Green Bus Corridor, Dublin Bus is delighted to announce a special 50c City Centre Fare from Monday 27th July. The City Centre Fare will link the main shopping and business areas.

Customers will now be able to travel in and around the City Centre, for example between St. Stephen’s Green and Henry Street on Route 10 or from O’Connell Street to Merrion Square on Route 7 for just 50 cent.

A map showing the most frequent cross city connections between the areas where the fare will be valid and further details including where to catch these buses will be made available in press and on this site over the next few days.

Tipsy Mac

Interesting but is the fare 50cent for one trip or is it 50cent hope on hop off all day on buses on that route?

If it's just one trip they should instead charge €1 for a full days use within that zone.

markpb

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

f it's just one trip they should instead charge €1 for a full days use within that zone.

While that would be nice it's not practical with the current ticketing system.

KC61

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Interesting but is the fare 50cent for one trip or is it 50cent hope on hop off all day on buses on that route?

If it's just one trip they should instead charge €1 for a full days use within that zone.

50 cent per journey.

greener&leaner

I am so proud of Dublin Bus.
The map of the bus routes on the left of this http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/2512/CityCentre.pdf
is actually in a format that is visually clear and makes sense.

They have provided useful information, for I think the first time I can ever remember.

Congratulations and Well Done.

markpb

I saw the route map in the Herald AM this morning and was genuinely shocked - it's very well done.

KC61

Only problem is all is not as it may seem....

On the 10, 11, 46A and 145 the first northbound stop that the new city centre fare applies from is Stage 74 which is the one outside Hodges Figgis on Dawson Street and not the stop on St Stephen's Green North as you might believe from the map!

Southbound it is available to the stop on Kildare Street (Stage 26) and not St. Stephen's Green East.

However, it is a start!

KC61

greener&leaner wrote: »

I am so proud of Dublin Bus.
The map of the bus routes on the left of this http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/2512/CityCentre.pdf
is actually in a format that is visually clear and makes sense.

They have provided useful information, for I think the first time I can ever remember.

Congratulations and Well Done.

In fairness the spider maps started to roll out last year on bus stops in the city centre and on other literature.

This is a fairly massive task and will take some time to completely roll out.

SaveAFewBob.ie

I'm delighted to see this initiative being brought in finally! About time we had a cheap and speedy service in the City Centre!

It will be interesting to see what effect the new College Green Bus Corridor will have on traffic. I'm going to guess disasterous, unless there is some excellent diversions in place...

Has anyone any idea where normal traffic will be directed between the peak hours?

MiniD

There is a few key routes missing from that map. Route 121,122 and 123 are all frequent routes but there is no mention of them on the map.

No mention of the 83 which takes a different cross city approcah to the other routes listed.

Route 151 is listed at Parliament Street, but this is confusing as it does not stop there. Lord Edward Street would be a bit clearer.

Overall, I think this is a great idea and it's good to see the council and Dublin Bus trying to persuade people back onto the bus.

KC61

MiniD wrote: »

There is a few key routes missing from that map. Route 121,122 and 123 are all frequent routes but there is no mention of them on the map.

No mention of the 83 which takes a different cross city approcah to the other routes listed.

Route 151 is listed at Parliament Street, but this is confusing as it does not stop there. Lord Edward Street would be a bit clearer.

Overall, I think this is a great idea and it's good to see the council and Dublin Bus trying to persuade people back onto the bus.

I think that they were trying to keep it simple! But I agree the 123 is a significant omission!

faceman

I would love Dublin Bus to survey people who use the bus on the day of the promotion. Would we see any significant increase in those commuting to work taking the bus on the day? If not, why not?

It would answer the question about how bus fares affect commuters

Victor

KC61 wrote: »

In fairness the spider maps started to roll out last year on bus stops in the city centre and on other literature.

The vast majority of the spider maps are medicore - for one thing they get the left and right hand sides mixed up.

KC61

Victor wrote: »

The vast majority of the spider maps are medicore - for one thing they get the left and right hand sides mixed up.

Indeed they have!

However it was a start and with anything like this best to start simple and slowly build it up!

Victor

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/50c-City-Centre-Fare/

50c City Centre Fare
Monday, July 20, 2009

To mark the launch of the College Green Bus Corridor, Dublin Bus is delighted to announce a special 50c City Centre Fare from Monday 27th July. The City Centre Fare will link the main shopping and business areas.

Customers will now be able to travel in and around the City Centre, for example between St. Stephen’s Green and Henry Street on Route 10 or from O’Connell Street to Merrion Square on Route 7 for just 50 cent.

A leaflet showing the most frequent cross city connections between the areas where the fare will be valid and further details including where to catch these buses is available to download on the following page.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/50c-City-Centre-Fare/

50c City Centre Fare
Monday, July 20, 2009

To mark the launch of the College Green Bus Corridor, Dublin Bus is delighted to announce a special 50c City Centre Fare from Monday 27th July. The City Centre Fare will link the main shopping and business areas.

Customers will now be able to travel in and around the City Centre, for example between St. Stephen’s Green and Henry Street on Route 10 or from O’Connell Street to Merrion Square on Route 7 for just 50 cent.

A map showing the most frequent cross city connections between the areas where the fare will be valid and further details including where to catch these buses will be made available in press and on this site over the next few days.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/City-Centre/

City Centre

50c City Centre Fare

The College Green Bus Corridor, open from 27th of July, will greatly improve traffic flow through the city centre for commuters, shoppers and visitors. This new bus corridor will operate Monday to Friday between the hours of 07:00 and 10:00 and from 16:00 to 19:00, and only public transport vehicles and cyclists will be allowed to travel through the bus corridor.

To mark the introduction of the College Green Bus Corridor from the 27th of July, Dublin Bus will offer a new 50c City Centre Fare. This fare will apply all day, 7 days a week on all routes* within a special City Centre Zone as indicated on the attached leaflet.

Frequent bus routes connect all areas in the City Centre, from Parnell Square, O’Connell St., the Quays and the IFSC to Merrion Square, St. Stephen’s Green, South. Great Georges Street and Parliament Street. Just ask the driver for a City Centre Fare when you board the bus, stating your destination within the City Centre Zone.

Click here to download leaflet.

*Excluding Nitelink, Airlink, Xpresso services, flat fare services, Ferry services, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services.

AlekSmart

Its all so characteristically Irish....Very few of the relevant bodies involved here have much appreciation of each other duties,let alone their necessity to interact with each other.

So.....In no particular order..... :rolleyes:

DCC devise construct and impliment a new Pedestrian Crossing on Dame St adjacent to Church Lane.

To facilitate this a shiny new set of LED Traffic Signals goes in....with a MAJOR change in sequencing which now sees traffic turning left off church lane being held on a RED arrow whilst Right Turning (Westmoreland St Bound) traffic has a green arrow.

Not a problem for cars,bicycles,jarveys and large vehicles (Buses even !!) prepared to risk mounting the pavement to squeeze past as they head to the glorious BusGate....however for Buses wanting to access the new found freedom of Westmoreland St it is a significant NEW (largely unnecessary) pinch point.

Elsewhere in the developed world the pressing need for a pedestrian crossing would have been engineered somewhat differently,simply by erecting pedestrian barriers at the Church Lane Turn extending Westward to the PRE-EXISTING Pedestrian Crossing at Trinity Street.
Coincidentally similar barriers would have sprouted outside Starbucks and similarly ENCOURAGED pedestrians to walk 50 mtrs west to the PRE EXISTING Trinity St crossing.
This simple expedient would have allowed left turning traffic from Church Lane to at least clear the junction for the legions of Buses ALL making a RIGHT TURN (Tours Excepted).

The Southbound Bus Stop arrangements in D`Olier St remain somewhat fraught as it will now draw Buses over to the extreme Left which by necessity then requires those cross-city routes to make an inventive manouvere to get back out to position for the Right Turn through the BUS-GATE....unnecessary conflict especially as the volumes of private car traffic turning left into Townsend St will increase by the Nth degree.

There is also some confusion surrounding the "New Improved" Shoppers Fare.
Given that this is now being marketed as Bus Atha Cliath`s "Contribution" towards "TransportforDublin" (Highly Original Thinking at work here surely ) one might have expected this fare to be very popular with the travellin`publick....I sure hope its not,as the Shoppers Fare feature on the Ticket Machine lurks deep within a manually accessed sub menu from which a Change Ticket cannot then be issued without Manually returning to the main menu....

There are some generally agreed stats regarding Bus Boarding times and the various types of transaction...
Not surprisingly,the tried and trusted Bus Atha Cliath cash-based transaction with Change Ticket comes second last to a full change counting regeime...

From memory it works out at approx 15 secs per passenger with cash change. 11 sec per passenger with Change Ticket Issue.7 sec for a Mag Card Validation and 3 Sec per passenger for a contactless Smart Card validation.

With the supposed focus on the Bus Gate as a feature dedicated to IMPROVING Public Transport Speeds in the central City Zone it is deeply disappointing to see so little innovation or serious effort to make a sweeping reduction in Bus Dwell times at stops.

It has to be realized however,that Bus Atha Cliath`s financial position is currently on the PRE side of precarious and a cost-benefit analysis should show some strong evidence to justify DCC or the Dept of the Environment part-funding Bus Atha Cliath`s efforts to circumvent the Department of Transport`s vice-like grip on the cash-fare structure.

IF this experiment does result in an improved flow of buses through the College Green triangle then we are going to see some serious spatial issues develop rather rapidly....relatively easily solved by adopting another oul European Idea...the Mid Island Bus Stop (Already proven to work in Dublin on St Stephens Green South in the pre-Luas days,but now apparently forgotten).

I`m also mindful of the Garda Press Office Statement that the force will be excercising "Discretion" during the initial phase of the Busgate as motorists come to terms with such wild flights of fancy as Regulatory Traffic Signs and Statutory Road Markings...all items which can play merry hell with a lad`s enjoyment of the easy going Irish lifestyle

Oh well we shall see on the 27th....although I personally would allow Motorbicycles to use the area as they represent a far lesser threat to a Busdriver or Passenger`s mental and physical health than a pedal cyclist......

antoinolachtnai

Where was the mid-island bus stop?

Wouldn't it require a good few lanes of traffic to facilitate that? (two lanes for the stop on the pavement, and one lane for the mid-island stop (as well as the space for the stop, plus a lane or two for general traffic?

(Not saying it's not a good idea, just that it needs a lot of space.)

Victor

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

Where was the mid-island bus stop?

Wouldn't it require a good few lanes of traffic to facilitate that? (two lanes for the stop on the pavement, and one lane for the mid-island stop (as well as the space for the stop, plus a lane or two for general traffic?

(Not saying it's not a good idea, just that it needs a lot of space.)

On the western end of St. Stephen's Green South. It was implemented because buses in bus lane couldn't get across the 2-3 lanes of traffic to turn right onto St. Stephen's Green West, because of traffic heading for Cuffe Street.

Dublin_Gunner

This is all well and good, but what lazy fecker would actually get a bus from O'Connell street to Stephen's Green?

And the 83 would be a great addition, as it goes down by the Four Courts / Jervis into the general CC location.

zagmund

I would normally walk that kind of distance, but there have been times when I have been in town for the day and (due to crap planning on my part) ended up at the wrong end of town for one reason or another. Maybe I had to pick up tickets at the NCH and also go to a film in Parnell Street . . . and I've already walked around town for a few hours. It makes sense in this situaion to get the bus.

z

Victor

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

This is all well and good, but what lazy fecker would actually get a bus from O'Connell street to Stephen's Green?

Dublin_Gunner

zagmund wrote: »

I would normally walk that kind of distance, but there have been times when I have been in town for the day and (due to crap planning on my part) ended up at the wrong end of town for one reason or another. Maybe I had to pick up tickets at the NCH and also go to a film in Parnell Street . . . and I've already walked around town for a few hours. It makes sense in this situaion to get the bus.

z

I agree, there may be the odd exception to the rule - but how often would that happen??

Its a case of 'Ooh, look how great this new thing we've done is!!' when actually its crap, mutton dressed as lamb.

Such a half arsed attempt at something decent.

Why don't they introduce a 50c fare for people commuting to/from town?? Say just between 8am to 10am, and 4pm-6pm??
Just on routes as far as / from the CC?

This would at least encourage people not to use their cars, which is what they seem to want from us all - reducing your carbon number being the new buzz phrase an' all....

** Victor - it would be a bit harsh to proclaim a guy with no legs to be a 'lazy fecker' .....

MOH

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

This is all well and good, but what lazy fecker would actually get a bus from O'Connell street to Stephen's Green?

And the 83 would be a great addition, as it goes down by the Four Courts / Jervis into the general CC location.

I've done it trying to get from Parnell St/Henry St area to Baggot St during half-time in a match.

Dublin_Gunner

MOH wrote: »

I've done it trying to get from Parnell St/Henry St area to Baggot St during half-time in a match.

Did you succeed? There seemed to be an element of 'fail' in that post! lol

But seriously, for the majority - its not much of a benefit really. Most would get the bus to the area they're going initially (from outside of town), rather than getting onto, and paying for, another bus.

My idea above is way better - but never gonna happen with the greedy baxtards running the public bus service...

Night_Prowler

I think the 50c fare is a great idea! There has been many occasion this week alone when the unpredictable Irish weather has caught me out while journeying around the city centre.

As for the criticism of the new College Green system! As someone who has regularly seen a vast portion of their commute spent on the Dame St - O'Connell St trek alone, I fully support every effort being taken to reduce the congestion in the city centre.

Dublin_Gunner

Night_Prowler wrote: »

As for the criticism of the new College Green system! As someone who has regularly seen a vast portion of their commute spent on the Dame St - O'Connell St trek alone, I fully support every effort being taken to reduce the congestion in the city centre.

Well thats another topic altogether!! And another half arsed attempt IMO.

Either stop general traffic coming into the CC or not - don't cause confusion by merely move the congestion 200m away......

KC61

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

This is all well and good, but what lazy fecker would actually get a bus from O'Connell street to Stephen's Green?

And the 83 would be a great addition, as it goes down by the Four Courts / Jervis into the general CC location.

The 83 is included - it's just not on the map. This fare applies to all routes within the area bounded by stages 74 and 26 (see the bottom of route timetables for where these locations are). The map just shows high frequency routes.

For the 83 this would cover journeys between Ormond Quay Lower/Wood Quay and South Great Georges Street.

The map missed out on four potential corridors I think:

1) The 83 as above
2) The 123 from Parnell Street to Lord Edward Street
3) The 77/A from Pearse Station/Townsend Street to Lord Edward Street
4) The 2 and 3 from Parnell Square to Pearse Station/Townsend Street

Plenty of people make short journeys in the city centre especially if it's raining or they have plenty of shopping or if they're short of time.

dereko1969

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Why don't they introduce a 50c fare for people commuting to/from town?? Say just between 8am to 10am, and 4pm-6pm??
Just on routes as far as / from the CC?

okay so you want to reduce Dublin Bus income by reducing their fares at their busiest times when most bus routes have a reasonably high patronage level by, say on average, €1.10 per person multiply that out and you end up with a massive massive increase in subvention to Dublin Bus, or do you honestly think there will be a three-fold increase in passenger numbers to offset your great flat fare idea?


passenger journey numbers were 148 million in 2007, how many buses would be required to transport over 500 million?

Dublin_Gunner

dereko1969 wrote: »

okay so you want to reduce Dublin Bus income by reducing their fares at their busiest times when most bus routes have a reasonably high patronage level by, say on average, €1.10 per person multiply that out and you end up with a massive massive increase in subvention to Dublin Bus, or do you honestly think there will be a three-fold increase in passenger numbers to offset your great flat fare idea?


passenger journey numbers were 148 million in 2007, how many buses would be required to transport over 500 million?

Well as Dublin Bus come under a Government department, and are not a private company - the main way for them to get people out of their cars and into public transport is to make it reliable, accessible, and affordable.

Dublin Bus' income is of no interest to me, as it should be non-profit making in the first place - its a public, government owned service.

By the way a 50c fare would only require about a 2 fold increase, not 3 as you state.

More people may even be likely to get a second bus to an onward destination, increase the fare income without necessarily increasing passenger numbers (i.e it would be the same passengers getting 2 buses instead of one).

Victor

The government has other priorities than public transport a the moment.

Dublin_Gunner

Victor wrote: »

The government has other priorities than public transport a the moment.

Such as?? How about getting the working population to/from work? Making work / jobs more accessible to some?

Maybe they should just get their priorities straight. How about they all go to their 'public' offices, via public transport?

Plenty of buses from around the city / county arrive at / near Kildare Street.

For a government that apparently has 'other priorities than public transport' they're certainly advertising it a lot. Especially with their 'carbon number' campaign, and revoking access to the CC for private vehicles.

AlekSmart

Some breathlessly belated news regarding the St Stephens Green (Stage 73) Non Availability issue.......

It now appears that some methodology or workaround has been found to address this long running problem....Memo to Staff indicating that Donnybrook Routes will be able to issue the City Centre 50c Fare from Stage 73 !!!!

Victory for the common man (and woman)

Now perhaps something can be done to remove the dangerously parked Dualway City Tour Bus which sits at Sackville Place/ O Connell St junction each day under the direction of a static Ticket Selling Dualway Staff Member.

This restricts O Connell St Southbound to a single lane for most of the day in addition to causing serious difficulties for Bus Atha Cliath staff and customers going LEGALLY about their business at the busy Abbey St junction Bus-Stop

This company have an allocated Tour Stop at the Savoy Cinema.
Bus Atha Cliath`s City Tour have an allocated Tour Stop at Abbey St/O Connell St junction....the allocation of Bus-stops is an integral part of the route licence,but it seems that the Dualway operation are dissatisfied with their allocation of space and therefore have decided to annexe a section of the street for themselves in a decidedly dangerous manner.

The practice of stopping and parking at the approach to a busy junction thus obscuring the junction is DANGEROUS in the extreme and indicates a somewhat lax attitude towards Health & Safety in addition to an unhealthy disregard for the basics of the Road Traffic Act.

It would also appear to call into question the Professional Competence of whatever management personnell oversee the operation,something which is covered by the relevant CPC legislation,but that may be for a different forum to discuss.

It`s just one example outlining how we cannot even ensure that the basics of good operational practice are enforced on the capitals main street.....what hope has a Bus gate then ????? :eek:

AlekSmart

Where was the mid-island bus stop?

Wouldn't it require a good few lanes of traffic to facilitate that? (two lanes for the stop on the pavement, and one lane for the mid-island stop (as well as the space for the stop, plus a lane or two for general traffic?

The Stephens Green Island Stop was a GREAT success as it featured a fully enclosed Island with it`s own dedicated pedestrian signals to allow pedestrians to get to the footopaths either side.

It was installed largely to cater for the articulated Volvo AW class which were operating on the 10 route at that time.

However the startup of Luas and the removal of Buses from that location as a result rendered the newly installed feature redundant.....

As it worked so well there is little chance of it reappearing as a concept anyway soon due to it`s inherent oversimplicity..... :mad: :mad:

Victor

AlekSmart wrote: »

As it worked so well there is little chance of it reappearing as a concept anyway soon due to it`s inherent oversimplicity..... :mad: :mad:

Something similar just may appear on Westmoreland Street and/or D'Olier Street for Metro North.

markpb

Victor wrote: »

Something similar hust may appear on Westmoreland Street and/or D'Olier Street for Metro North.

I suggested diagonal/parallel bus stops to the DCC Transport SPC a few months ago - got a polite 'thanks for your email' reply but nothing since. Sorting out those bus stops would do wonders for traffic in the city centre.

Mimikyu

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AlekSmart

These Tour Buses do nothing but clog up the roads and cause a safety hazard. The ones around at Trinity College are unbelievable for holding up traffic with buses trying to get out and other buses having to pull in on the corner, elsewhere because there is two of these tour buses sitting there

Aye Aye Cap`n Morgan...Tis true indeed, me hearty

However in the context of the City Tour routes (Public and Private Sector) being licenced services the existing City Tour Stops HAVE been vetted and approved by an Garda Síochana.

The instance I refer to is a SPECIFIC decision by one company to annex for itself a TOTALLY inappropriate and dangerous location.

As far as I`m aware the Road Traffic Act forbids parking within 15 Mtrs of the approach to a junction and 5 Mtrs on the departure from a junction or pedestrian crossing.

In this particular case the Bus manages to contravene BOTH these distances simultaneously,as it parks-up just beyond the Pedestrian Crossing linking Pennys + Clerys and just ahead of the Sackville Place Junction.

These distances may appear arbitrary but they do in reality make sense in the context of allowing approaching traffic to gain a clear Unobstructed view of the junction and for emerging traffic to have the same view.

It SHOULD be quite obvious that the regulation IS a safety related one and not specifically there to impoverish the Dualway company per se.

The situation along O Connell St is quite fraught enough from a pedestrian/vehicular conflict basis without having it further compromised merely to satisfy some corporate desire to increase profitability.

It is interesting to observe the variety of attitudes to,what is a blatant contempt for commonsense safety regulations,exhibited by an Garda Síochana.

The only members I have ever noted expressing any interest in the carry-on of the Company is the Traffic Corps.
I have on a number of occasions witnessed Motor Cycle gardai having words with Busdrivers here and moving them on.
When this occurs,the pavement Ticket Seller moves rapidly,but discreetly away,to observe from a distance.

Attempts to interest ordinary Beat Gardai or those members on "post" duty at the GPO usually fail completely,fizzling out in a blizzard of disinterest.

However,as someone who was at the scene of the Fatal Accident at the Spire in which an unfortunate woman was killed,I can vouch for the fact that Gardai will come tumbling from the woodwork should a similar accident happen as a result of Dualway`s irresponsible and dangerous behaviour at Sackville Place.

Even this morning I watched a motorcyclist narrowly escape being creamed by a Taxi emerging from the Sackville Place rank whose driver could not get any vision along the Street due to the Bus being PARKED there with the driver "Doing Business " with some prospective clients.

The motorcyslist was also trying to weave between a Dublin Bus single deck 123 attempting to pull in to the (Legal)very busy Stop also obscured by the Tour Bus....

I`m wondering if the Dualway drivers are actually aware of just how involved they will PERSONALLY be should they be a contributory factor to an accident at this location...as indeed will their employer on a corporate level.....all it takes is one millisecond and the entire scenario alters totally.....the Drivers themselves really do need to consider this before allowing their livelyhoods to be put at risk simply to preserve their employers percieved need for business at this location.

Anyway its all kinda superflous really as the peelers will probably give them a lash for the first week or so of the Bus Gate...the eyes of the world will be upon them ??? :eek:

KeyLimePie

I'm very confused by all this, when I'm going from heuston into town will i pay 50cent ? Or how about trinity to belgrove.....do i pay 50c?!

bazzer

You pay 50c when travelling in the City Centre zone only. If you travel beyond the Zone on a 50c ticket, you leave yourself open to prosecution if caught by an inspector.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/2512/CCF_Leaflet%5BFA_P%5D.pdf

Aard

There's a sign on the George's St bus stop saying "50c City Fare" or something to that effect. Am I to believe that all stops participating in the scheme are signed similarly?

Victor

Aard wrote: »

There's a sign on the George's St bus stop saying "50c City Fare" or something to that effect. Am I to believe that all stops participating in the scheme are signed similarly?

Yeah, they put up the signs Saturday morning - its the pink 50c logo.

Art(h)ur

markpb wrote: »

I suggested diagonal/parallel bus stops to the DCC Transport SPC a few months ago - got a polite 'thanks for your email' reply but nothing since. Sorting out those bus stops would do wonders for traffic in the city centre.

You mean like the ones attached?
I actually think it's a necessity to build a proper bus terminal like this in the city centre - with 90% of all BAC buses going through Parnell Sq to Nassau St. corridor and 15 scattered termini hidden in side lanes, not to mention the current layout of numerous stops which make transfers difficult (although they should do the opposite) - some well-planned solution is desperately needed. Obviously, there's still the question of where to build it - narrow streets definitely do not help. However, once at least some of the t21 rail projects are completed, the reliance on buses will be smaller -> less buses needed in the city centre. But as this is a rather long term perspective now - some action is required to address the current mess.

markpb

Art(h)ur wrote: »

You mean like the ones attached?

More like this except with raised platforms between bus bays and of course, making it on-street instead of off-street.

MiniD

Isn't the plan for Strand Street to be a bus terminus?

Does anyone know what stage this is at? it will certainly clear some of the Clondalkin and Ballyfermot buses off the quays!

KC61

MiniD wrote: »

Isn't the plan for Strand Street to be a bus terminus?

Does anyone know what stage this is at? it will certainly clear some of the Clondalkin and Ballyfermot buses off the quays!

That's the plan although with property development at a standstill I'm not sure how far down the line this project is.

MiniD

KC61 wrote: »

That's the plan although with property development at a standstill I'm not sure how far down the line this project is.

That probably explains it, I think the original plan was to have a hotel overhead.

Assuming the hotel plan has been shelved, if a bit of effort was put in, you could have that space open in a few months with a basic bus terminal in place to cater for the Aston Quay terminus and maybe one or two more routes too. I doubt it would cost a fortune either.

It just seems wrong for a prime piece of land, owened by CIE, next to a busy Luas stop, lie idle while buses park on valuable road space a short distance away.

givyjoe81

AlekSmart wrote: »

Aye Aye Cap`n Morgan...Tis true indeed, me hearty

However in the context of the City Tour routes (Public and Private Sector) being licenced services the existing City Tour Stops HAVE been vetted and approved by an Garda Síochana.

The instance I refer to is a SPECIFIC decision by one company to annex for itself a TOTALLY inappropriate and dangerous location.

As far as I`m aware the Road Traffic Act forbids parking within 15 Mtrs of the approach to a junction and 5 Mtrs on the departure from a junction or pedestrian crossing.

In this particular case the Bus manages to contravene BOTH these distances simultaneously,as it parks-up just beyond the Pedestrian Crossing linking Pennys + Clerys and just ahead of the Sackville Place Junction.

These distances may appear arbitrary but they do in reality make sense in the context of allowing approaching traffic to gain a clear Unobstructed view of the junction and for emerging traffic to have the same view.

It SHOULD be quite obvious that the regulation IS a safety related one and not specifically there to impoverish the Dualway company per se.

The situation along O Connell St is quite fraught enough from a pedestrian/vehicular conflict basis without having it further compromised merely to satisfy some corporate desire to increase profitability.

It is interesting to observe the variety of attitudes to,what is a blatant contempt for commonsense safety regulations,exhibited by an Garda Síochana.

The only members I have ever noted expressing any interest in the carry-on of the Company is the Traffic Corps.
I have on a number of occasions witnessed Motor Cycle gardai having words with Busdrivers here and moving them on.
When this occurs,the pavement Ticket Seller moves rapidly,but discreetly away,to observe from a distance.

Attempts to interest ordinary Beat Gardai or those members on "post" duty at the GPO usually fail completely,fizzling out in a blizzard of disinterest.

However,as someone who was at the scene of the Fatal Accident at the Spire in which an unfortunate woman was killed,I can vouch for the fact that Gardai will come tumbling from the woodwork should a similar accident happen as a result of Dualway`s irresponsible and dangerous behaviour at Sackville Place.

Even this morning I watched a motorcyclist narrowly escape being creamed by a Taxi emerging from the Sackville Place rank whose driver could not get any vision along the Street due to the Bus being PARKED there with the driver "Doing Business " with some prospective clients.

The motorcyslist was also trying to weave between a Dublin Bus single deck 123 attempting to pull in to the (Legal)very busy Stop also obscured by the Tour Bus....

I`m wondering if the Dualway drivers are actually aware of just how involved they will PERSONALLY be should they be a contributory factor to an accident at this location...as indeed will their employer on a corporate level.....all it takes is one millisecond and the entire scenario alters totally.....the Drivers themselves really do need to consider this before allowing their livelyhoods to be put at risk simply to preserve their employers percieved need for business at this location.

Anyway its all kinda superflous really as the peelers will probably give them a lash for the first week or so of the Bus Gate...the eyes of the world will be upon them ??? :eek:

Whats all this got to do with 50c DB fares?!

holidaysong

Does anyone have a map of the 50c city centre fare zone that they could post or link me to? I don't mean the illustration used on this page, but a proper map that shows the streets / bus stops included. I know when the scheme was first launched I was in possession of such a map but I've since misplaced it. Unfortunately the link in the OP is no longer working.

FruitLover

KeyLimePie wrote: »

when I'm going from heuston into town will i pay 50cent ?

You'll pay 50 cents. WTF kind of school did you go to that taught you to utter grammatically nonsensical phrases such as "50 cent"? :rolleyes: You don't pay bus fares with rappers.

Stevek101

holidaysong wrote: »

Does anyone have a map of the 50c city centre fare zone that they could post or link me to? I don't mean the illustration used on this page, but a proper map that shows the streets / bus stops included. I know when the scheme was first launched I was in possession of such a map but I've since misplaced it. Unfortunately the link in the OP is no longer working.

There is a link to the leaflet you want on the page you posted. Its on the second page.

Tarabuses

FruitLover wrote: »

You'll pay 50 cents. WTF kind of school did you go to that taught you to utter grammatically nonsensical phrases such as "50 cent"? :rolleyes: You don't pay bus fares with rappers.

Sorry to shatter your complacence but the official plural of euro is euro and of euro cent is cent.