What the hell is happening in Ennis???

Claregirl

My OP was based on the fact that I'm extremely nosey! I was curious if anyone else had heard about any of the other attacks that had happened last Sat night.:o

I should point out that there were a good number of Gardaí on patrol in the town that night and also they responded quite quickly once aware of the situation.

I've lived all my life in this town and there's nowhere else I would rather live. I remember the 80's very well and the aggro that could flare up from time to time but women were to my mind always "off limits". Is it that nowadays the "ladies" are as bad as the men?

I myself came from a dysfunctional family but I worked hard to make something of myself I don't accept the argument of people's circumstances causing them to do ill to others.

All too often we hear about these incidents and it doesn't affect us till we come face to face with the reality. To see a young girl swollen, bruised and bleeding was a huge shock for me personally. As was the thought that it could just as easily happened to my own daughter.

Kradock

Claregirl wrote: »

My OP was based on the fact that I'm extremely nosey! I was curious if anyone else had heard about any of the other attacks that had happened last Sat night.:o

I guess as I had seen it all before , it probably doesn't register

I should point out that there were a good number of Gardaí on patrol in the town that night and also they responded quite quickly once aware of the situation.

Thats their job , I can tell you though that if it where certain families invoved their response wouldn't have been that quick.

I've lived all my life in this town and there's nowhere else I would rather live. I remember the 80's very well and the aggro that could flare up from time to time but women were to my mind always "off limits". Is it that nowadays the "ladies" are as bad as the men?

Sadly you are wrong here ,women were never off limits to some of these scum but you are correct there is a sickening growth in "ladies" turning to violence


I myself came from a dysfunctional family but I worked hard to make something of myself I don't accept the argument of people's circumstances causing them to do ill to others.

Some did you are one , alot didn't , many of whom saw the world as against them from an early age.

All too often we hear about these incidents and it doesn't affect us till we come face to face with the reality. To see a young girl swollen, bruised and bleeding was a huge shock for me personally. As was the thought that it could just as easily happened to my own daughter.

Maybe I am getting hardnosed in my attitude but I seem to take less and less notice of these incidents and they don't shock me anymore . But I do fear that could happen to my own daughter as I guess any decent parent would.

By the way did you attend the Tech or Colaiste , not much relevance but just curious. Also apologies for the bolded statements haven't got the hang of multi quoting

drunken_munky52

Claregirl wrote: »

My OP was based on the fact that I'm extremely nosey! I was curious if anyone else had heard about any of the other attacks that had happened last Sat night.:o

I should point out that there were a good number of Gardaí on patrol in the town that night and also they responded quite quickly once aware of the situation.

I've lived all my life in this town and there's nowhere else I would rather live. I remember the 80's very well and the aggro that could flare up from time to time but women were to my mind always "off limits". Is it that nowadays the "ladies" are as bad as the men?

I myself came from a dysfunctional family but I worked hard to make something of myself I don't accept the argument of people's circumstances causing them to do ill to others.

All too often we hear about these incidents and it doesn't affect us till we come face to face with the reality. To see a young girl swollen, bruised and bleeding was a huge shock for me personally. As was the thought that it could just as easily happened to my own daughter.

To be honest, I never seen attacks happening but have hear plenty of stories.

1. A man from Donegal down for the night asked for directions and they pointed him into Brogans lane where they assaulted and robbed him.

2. A local is walking out the Kilrush Road and is followed by 3 or 4 hoodies, who punch him to the ground and kick in his face for absolutely no reason.

The list goes on. The reason it happens is because people are not streetwise enough to sense danger. If they were they would be able to avoid, adapt and get out of potentially hazardess situations.

NiamhK

Kradock wrote: »

Ennis has its social problems , there are people in Ennis who because of their address never had a chance from day one . I witnessed the compounding of this throughout my school years by teachers who " left students behind" because of their family and financial circumstances , most of these people later became social misfits plagued by drink and drug issues , some sadly it was all they knew in their short lives.

That is the biggest load of drivel I have ever heard in my life but continue to hear from do gooders who seems to have this notion of people from Cloughleigh / Clancy Park living in an Angela's Ashes time-warp. My partner grew up in Cloughleigh and we live a very comfortable life, he never felt his back ground was an excuse or a hinderance and laughed at people who tried to belittle him due to his social circumstances. One of his brothers is high up in a very well known company in Shannon and his other brother has done an internship for NASA. Now don't even try and say, oh well this family were obviously one of the lucky ones, nonsense. Growing up you could tell who was going to make a cock up of their lives and it was down to nurture not nature. Assholes breed assholes, simple as. One of the main heroine suppliers in town is from a well to do family and part of town and so are his buyers.

And as for ecstasy being the weekend drug of choice? I'm sorry, are you living in 1994? Cocaine has been the weekend drug of choice for over ten years and heroine has been rife in Ennis for the last 3-4 years. It just seems there are more junkies coming out of the woodwork these days and might I reitterate, not all from 'the wrong side of the tracks'.

Sorry for any misspellings above, anger took over the typing.

Johnboy1951

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

The list goes on. The reason it happens is because people are not streetwise enough to sense danger. If they were they would be able to avoid, adapt and get out of potentially hazardess situations.

Yeah I guess it is their own fault they get beaten up .... after all they should know better than to walk about in places they should know are hazardous.

The real reason it happens is that there are scumbags on the streets who should not be allowed to live in decent society.

Get rid of the scumbags and people can again walk in safety.

Yeah "get rid" .... whatever it takes. This softly softly approach to younger and younger scumbags every year is not doing anyone any good ..... neither the scumbags or those they inflict themselves on.

Castration and lobotomy, at times, seems too mild a response!

the_syco

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Have you ever seen the film "Crash" with Matt Dillon or "American History X"? I advised you to, as it shows that what goes around comes around.

Reminds me of the Father Ted quote regarding what's real and not real...

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yeah I guess it is their own fault they get beaten up .... after all they should know better than to walk about in places they should know are hazardous.

Such as, it seems, all of Ennis after 8 or 9pm...

drunken_munky52

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yeah I guess it is their own fault they get beaten up .... after all they should know better than to walk about in places they should know are hazardous.

The real reason it happens is that there are scumbags on the streets who should not be allowed to live in decent society.

Get rid of the scumbags and people can again walk in safety.

Yeah "get rid" .... whatever it takes. This softly softly approach to younger and younger scumbags every year is not doing anyone any good ..... neither the scumbags or those they inflict themselves on.

Castration and lobotomy, at times, seems too mild a response!

Criminals prey on the weak, dont let them know your in fear and you have a better chance of surviving than you would for been a begging whimp.

You oviously use a sledgehammer to fix most problems, you don't seem to have taken a step back here, looked at the issue and responsed with a mature constructive comment

BLITZ_Molloy

Personally I walk around screwface in a LA Raiders starter jacket with a brown bagged forty. Then people know I'm not to be ****ed with yo.

BLITZ_Molloy

BLITZ_Molloy wrote: »

Personally I walk around screwface in a LA Raiders starter jacket with a brown bagged forty. Then people know I'm not to be ****ed with yo.

ya'see its people like you who give this town a bad name...

Clareman

BLITZ_Molloy wrote: »

Personally I walk around screwface in a LA Raiders starter jacket with a brown bagged forty. Then people know I'm not to be ****ed with yo.

I thought it was just be, although I do go for a pair of Joe Bloggs jeans rather than anything brown, aye

Clareman

Clareman wrote: »

I thought it was just be, although I do go for a pair of Joe Bloggs jeans rather than anything brown, aye

Joe bloggs..heh...old skool..

Clareman

I might bring out the X as well, when I think how often I used to beg my mother to get me pair of those, remind me to thank her for not listening to me

drunken_munky52

Haha, were on to fashion now... well the seeds of Limerick were planted in Ennis recently, with the arrival of manky tracksuit bottoms stuffed into the socks " ABOY KID"

Clareman

cmonere I wanjg ya

Kradock

That is the biggest load of drivel I have ever heard in my life but continue to hear from do gooders who seems to have this notion of people from Cloughleigh / Clancy Park living in an Angela's Ashes time-warp. My partner grew up in Cloughleigh and we live a very comfortable life, he never felt his back ground was an excuse or a hinderance and laughed at people who tried to belittle him due to his social circumstances. One of his brothers is high up in a very well known company in Shannon and his other brother has done an internship for NASA. Now don't even try and say, oh well this family were obviously one of the lucky ones, nonsense. Growing up you could tell who was going to make a cock up of their lives and it was down to nurture not nature. Assholes breed assholes, simple as. One of the main heroine suppliers in town is from a well to do family and part of town and so are his buyers.

I think you'll find that I never mention Cloughleigh / Clancy park or any other area in Ennis. Fair enough some have progressed and made good lives for themselves but you'll find there are people from all over the world that have dragged themselves out of bigger **** holes than Cloughleigh and Clancy Park to make a success of their lives. I fail to see your argument on the nurture versus nature, everyone makes their own decisions in life some choose badly , some aren't given a choice hense my statement about the teachers.

And as for ecstasy being the weekend drug of choice? I'm sorry, are you living in 1994? Cocaine has been the weekend drug of choice for over ten years and heroine has been rife in Ennis for the last 3-4 years. It just seems there are more junkies coming out of the woodwork these days and might I reitterate, not all from 'the wrong side of the tracks'.

I don't know if I should even bother to argue this point with you as you seem to be in the know. Maybe I am stuck in 94 and maybe even further back but as I have said they are the progression from drugs like E. Drug addiction is prevailant in all aspects of life , my point is that it was prevaliant in some areas of Ennis more than others when I spent time there. I watched these people crumble and some die very young . you can name the areas they came from if you like.

As for your point about the drug dealers , I think you will see if you read back over my post that I said people have a market for drugs in Ennis , whether they come from "off the tracks or the right side of the tracks " is irrelavant they have a market , always have always will

Sorry for any misspellings above, anger took over the typing.[/quote]

Don't worry about the spelling , I would worry more about the content

BLITZ_Molloy

Eclipe jeans, Xworx or Xtreme, Petro Motion, Spliffy, Johnny Brubaker etc. maybe a NAFF Co. 54 jacket!

I'm an oldskool gangsta.

Johnboy1951

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Criminals prey on the weak, dont let them know your in fear and you have a better chance of surviving than you would for been a begging whimp.

Are you serious?
Where is your brain at?
Whether I am
4'6" or 6'6"
26 years old or 66 years old
built like a weightlifter or slightly built
have a disability or not
male or female

there is no way I can defend myself against a group of thugs bent on violence.

No society should allow such excuses for humanity to roam its streets.

You oviously use a sledgehammer to fix most problems, you don't seem to have taken a step back here, looked at the issue and responsed with a mature constructive comment

So found a nice box to put me in?
You have no idea from whence I come or what my personal situation is like. Putting a label on me with your sledgehammer remark only highlights your own misunderstandings.

There have always been thugs and scumbags bred in society. It is not a new phenomenon. It is how they are dealt with by society that affects everyone.

The softly softly approach of the last few decades has just allowed the problem to get completely out of hand.

These alledged 'people' should not be allowed on our streets. They are dangerous, disruptive, contribute nothing of value and milk society for all they can.

It is high time the wheel turned ..... maybe not to what it was with borstal schools for young offenders, but something that might be a serious deterrent to young people to help prevent them from turning into more mature scumbags, and thus more dangerous to society in general.

P.S. Sometimes a sledgehammer is the right tool for the job at hand.

Clareman

My turn, my turn, my turn

Ennis is the same as every urbanized area in the world, it'll have good parts and bad parts, it'll have upper class and lower class areas, it'll have all kinds of problems, at the moment there is a problem where an element from a neighbouring city is coming in to take over the drug trade (which like all parts of Ireland is a huge problem). The guards can't cope with it and people are bearing the brunt of it.

I'll ask though, would you walk on your own through every town/city in Ireland? I know I wouldn't and I'm a fairly big bloke, there is such a thing as wrong place/wrong time

Johnboy1951

Clareman wrote: »

I'll ask though, would you walk on your own through every town/city in Ireland? I know I wouldn't and I'm a fairly big bloke, there is such a thing as wrong place/wrong time

No, of course not.

Do you think this is a desireable situation?
I don't.

If the scumbags were not on the street there would be no reason to be so circumspect.

Clareman

Of course it's not a desireable situation, when you have scumbags going around the place thinking they own the place it's a sad sign of the times, but if it wasn't for people fueling them with money for drugs/stolen goods then they wouldn't be long clearing off to other parts

Johnboy1951

Clareman wrote: »

Of course it's not a desireable situation, when you have scumbags going around the place thinking they own the place it's a sad sign of the times, but if it wasn't for people fueling them with money for drugs/stolen goods then they wouldn't be long clearing off to other parts

Yes, but that only moves the problem to other streets and communities.

It is not, unfortunately, a solution to the presence of the scumbags in our society.

Clareman

I don't have a solution for the world's problems, there are the same problems all over the world, not just in Ennis, does Ennis have a higher than normal proportion of scumbags, I don't know

drunken_munky52

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Are you serious?
Where is your brain at?
Whether I am
4'6" or 6'6"
26 years old or 66 years old
built like a weightlifter or slightly built
have a disability or not
male or female

there is no way I can defend myself against a group of thugs bent on violence.

No society should allow such excuses for humanity to roam its streets.



So found a nice box to put me in?
You have no idea from whence I come or what my personal situation is like. Putting a label on me with your sledgehammer remark only highlights your own misunderstandings.

There have always been thugs and scumbags bred in society. It is not a new phenomenon. It is how they are dealt with by society that affects everyone.

The softly softly approach of the last few decades has just allowed the problem to get completely out of hand.

These alledged 'people' should not be allowed on our streets. They are dangerous, disruptive, contribute nothing of value and milk society for all they can.

It is high time the wheel turned ..... maybe not to what it was with borstal schools for young offenders, but something that might be a serious deterrent to young people to help prevent them from turning into more mature scumbags, and thus more dangerous to society in general.

P.S. Sometimes a sledgehammer is the right tool for the job at hand.

Like I said, your unconstructive comments are just that. You oviously should know that exterminating smumbags is not lawful either, like the unlawful acts that they commit, so you are no better than them for think these things.

You think that they should be purged from our society, remember the last time a certain man decided he would rid the world of blacks, jews and handicaps, he didnt get very far, and it only made the people he tried to kill even stronger.

You must have wet dreams about copying his way, you are saying you want to commit genocide, so dont say your not, and dont call them animals coz you know as well as the law of the land they at the end of the day they are human also.

And we live in a lawful free world where its not possible to use the fantasy solutions you speak of, use your mind before you speak again.

NB: Ref to your previous post not this one

Johnboy1951

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Like I said, your unconstructive comments are just that. You oviously should know that exterminating smumbags is not lawful either, like the unlawful acts that they commit, so you are no better than them for think these things.

Put aside whatever you are on and read what is written, not what you think or imagine might be meant.

I never advocated extermination.
If I meant to I would have.

You think that they should be purged from our society, remember the last time a certain man decided he would rid the world of blacks, jews and handicaps, he didnt get very far, and it only made the people he tried to kill even stronger.

Yes they should be purged from our society.
That does not by any means imply exterminate or kill or murder or any of the other emotive ideas you are introducing.

English Lesson:
In history and political science, a purge is the removal of people who are considered undesirable by those in power from a government, from another organization, or from society as a whole. Purges can be peaceful or violent; many will end with the imprisonment or exile of those purged, but in some cases they will simply be removed from office. Restoring people who have been purged is known as rehabilitation.

Purging allows for rehabilitation ..... not possible I believe if those people are exterminated as you suggest .... unless you believe in reincarnation maybe.

You must have wet dreams about copying his way, you are saying you want to commit genocide, so dont say your not, and dont call them animals coz you know as well as the law of the land they at the end of the day they are human also.

So now we have genocide in addition to extermination ..... you really are on a roll ....

And we live in a lawful free world where its not possible to use the fantasy solutions you speak of, use your mind before you speak again.

NB: Ref to your previous post not this one

I suggested no solution other than the removal of such scumbags from our society.

It is high time that we got rid of these scumbags from our society by whatever means available to us, and ensure they cannot return until they have amended their ways ..... and if rehabilitation is not possible then keep them out of society for their lifetime.

Maybe if they realise that their actions have a direct affect on themselves (as well as their victims) they might think twice before attacking someone. Personally I doubt if the majority would reconsider their actions, but I surely would not care if they had been removed from society ... permanently.

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Claregirl

Kradock wrote: »

By the way did you attend the Tech or Colaiste , not much relevance but just curious. Also apologies for the bolded statements haven't got the hang of multi quoting

The Tech!! :cool:
Couldn't face another five years of Nuns!
Scarred for life after the convent of no mercy!:eek:

drunken_munky52

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I suggested no solution other than the removal of such scumbags from our society.

It is high time that we got rid of these scumbags from our society by whatever means available to us, and ensure they cannot return until they have amended their ways ..... and if rehabilitation is not possible then keep them out of society for their lifetime.

Maybe if they realise that their actions have a direct affect on themselves (as well as their victims) they might think twice before attacking someone. Personally I doubt if the majority would reconsider their actions, but I surely would not care if they had been removed from society ... permanently.

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All that to explain that the gaurds are not doing their job, becuase its their responsibility to do it, not the work of some medieval dungeon castles you have in mind, what planet are you or age of empires game level on... get real shorty, what your asking for aint going to happen, not in this day and age...
if you think it should, id challange you to send your proposals to the minister for justice

Kradock

Claregirl wrote: »

The Tech!! :cool:
Couldn't face another five years of Nuns!
Scarred for life after the convent of no mercy!:eek:

Ha ha the good old vocational education , I also attended the tech , you may have been a year behind me

BLITZ_Molloy

... so you guys are saying a Limerickman apartheid isn't going to happen in our life time? Pretty mean spirited to hit us with that on a Monday.

Johnboy1951

BLITZ_Molloy wrote: »

... so you guys are saying a Limerickman apartheid isn't going to happen in our life time? Pretty mean spirited to hit us with that on a Monday.

Stuxnet

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Take it down a few notches biatch, are you from the show grounds road or something, coz that would explain why you literally look down on people.

i'm from the showgrounds u muppet !
:rolleyes: