Fat stripper - good idea?

Jigsaw

Hope someone can help here. I've started training recently and the weights/cardio are going really well so far. As for my diet, I think it is probably spot on and I am aso taking whey protein and creatine as well. However, I'd like to accelerate my weight loss without compromising my muscle gain if that is possible.

I was considering getting some sort of fat stripping supplement, maybe something like this,

http://monstersupplements.com/store/p/247/1/LA-Muscle-FAT-STRIPPER----90-Caps.html

or..........

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=1100

I would stress that I am not trying to cheat my way into losing fat and am fairly sure my diet would be hard to criticise. Does anyone have any views on how worthwhile these fat strippers are and if they can work without adversely affecting muscle mass.

Any help much appreciated. Cheers!!

**Timbuk2**

How much weight are you losing a week as it is?

You should only be losing 2lbs a week, MAX.

Any more than that is unhealthy. Just like gaining weight, losing weight takes time. If you are already losing weight accelerating it isn't probably a good idea.

Mellor

Do thee things even help at all, I always was a bit sceptic

we'llallhavetea_old

I came in thinkin it was about being an overweight stripper..... How disappointing!

Greenmachine

No idea on that particular supplement but IMHO you shouldn't take creatine if you are trying to lose weight.

BobbyOLeary

No idea on that particular supplement but IMHO you shouldn't take creatine if you are trying to lose weight.

Probably shouldn't eat steak then either. But in all seriousness, why do you think that?

OP, if you're looking for fat stripping supplements, which IMO you should stick well clear of, it sounds like a cliche but they're not natural for you to be taking so I can't imagine them doing you a huge amount of good. I don't really know enough about them to comment properly but I firmly believe that all of your fat stripping needs can be sorted by dietary changes.

Detail an honest days diet and maybe people will be able to give you some pointers on how to increase your fat loss without those supplements.

EDIT: I just remembered one of Mark Rippetoes quotes about those kinds of supplements, it went something along the lines of that if any of them actually worked then there would only be 3 fat people in america and they'd be on Oprah crying about how they wanted the world to accept them. A spotless diet will do more for weight loss and wellbeing than those supplements ever will.

Jigsaw

BobbyOLeary wrote: »

Probably shouldn't eat steak then either. But in all seriousness, why do you think that?

OP, if you're looking for fat stripping supplements, which IMO you should stick well clear of, it sounds like a cliche but they're not natural for you to be taking so I can't imagine them doing you a huge amount of good. I don't really know enough about them to comment properly but I firmly believe that all of your fat stripping needs can be sorted by dietary changes.

Detail an honest days diet and maybe people will be able to give you some pointers on how to increase your fat loss without those supplements.

EDIT: I just remembered one of Mark Rippetoes quotes about those kinds of supplements, it went something along the lines of that if any of them actually worked then there would only be 3 fat people in america and they'd be on Oprah crying about how they wanted the world to accept them. A spotless diet will do more for weight loss and wellbeing than those supplements ever will.

Ok, well a sample day would be,

7am - 2 pieces of fruit and a pint of water.
7.20am - 3 egg whites, 1 yolk and a wholemeal pitta bread

11am - 2 pieces of fruit and protein shake

1pm - Salad made up with either chicken or fish with salad leaves and tomato, peppers etc. Creatine supplement with glucose added.

3.30pm - Something similar to 1pm.

5pm - Creatine supplement with added glucose.

(5.30pm - gym)

6.45pm - Protein shake

7.30pm - Breast of chicken/portion of fish/other lean meat with small portion of veg and either wholewheat spaghetti or brown rice

Protein shake before bed.


Now I've not been at this for long but I must say that so far I have stuck to the diet well. My trainer has said I can have a cheat day a week and I've taken that though haven't taken the p*ss. I know the diet will work in of itself, but like many others, I guess I'm simply impatient for visible results.

Degsy

Jigsaw wrote: »

Ok, well a sample day would be,

7am - 2 pieces of fruit and a pint of water.
7.20am - 3 egg whites, 1 yolk and a wholemeal pitta bread

11am - 2 pieces of fruit and protein shake

1pm - Salad made up with either chicken or fish with salad leaves and tomato, peppers etc. Creatine supplement with glucose added.

3.30pm - Something similar to 1pm.

5pm - Creatine supplement with added glucose.

(5.30pm - gym)

6.45pm - Protein shake

7.30pm - Breast of chicken/portion of fish/other lean meat with small portion of veg and either wholewheat spaghetti or brown rice

Protein shake before bed.


Now I've not been at this for long but I must say that so far I have stuck to the diet well. My trainer has said I can have a cheat day a week and I've taken that though haven't taken the p*ss. I know the diet will work in of itself, but like many others, I guess I'm simply impatient for visible results.

You do know that a good-sized protein shake contains over 300 calories?
You have 900 calories a day coming from shakes!!

Bottle_of_Smoke

You're using whey shakes, as far as I know they're only useful directly after training.

You could stick to the whey for the one after the gym but the others either skip them or have a casein shake

King of Kings

Degsy wrote: »

You do know that a good-sized protein shake contains over 300 calories?
You have 900 calories a day coming from shakes!!

but why then does the pack say 120cals per serving....are you trebling up or heaping with carbs

cos 1 serving protein on it's own isn't that large

BraziliaNZ

Degsy wrote: »

You do know that a good-sized protein shake contains over 300 calories?
You have 900 calories a day coming from shakes!!

the stuff i used to buy was about 90kcal per shake (made with water), and gave you about 23g of protein, can't remember the name but came in big 10lb bags from capel st

Degsy

I know from experience that the scoop you get with the shakes are a bity on teh small side,the tempatation then is to throw in two or more to make it seem a bit more meaty.
Or maybe thats just me..anyway,shakes arent some calorie-free muscle-building megafood...take enough of them and you will start storing fat.

Transform

your diet is good (not amazing but good) just stick to what your doing and forget about fat strippers oh and fat loss products in general also

rubadub

Greenmachine wrote: »

No idea on that particular supplement but IMHO you shouldn't take creatine if you are trying to lose weight.

From his post he seems far more concerned with losing fat than losing weight. Creatine might make him hold onto some water but should not effect fat, if he does respond well to it then the higher performance he can achieve might aid his fat loss.

You're using whey shakes, as far as I know they're only useful directly after training.

I eat whey any time of the day, just like milk cheese or any dairy products.

floggg

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

I came in thinkin it was about being an overweight stripper..... How disappointing!

Me too - for the record, i think they are a good idea. You could charge people for them to keep it on, rather than take it off. You would make a mint.

On the for real, fat stripper supplements do sound like a cheat. Do what you are doing and it will work. Anything else is unnecessary

Crazi_Monkey21

i just read this somewhere.dont kill me if it doesnt work.

go on a low carbohydrate diet.your body uses carbs for energy, and when they run out,your body will start using fat as energy and your fat will start depleting.
its something like that,Im pretty sure it will work

Hanley

Crazi_Monkey21 wrote: »

i just read this somewhere.dont kill me if it doesnt work.

go on a low carbohydrate diet.your body uses carbs for energy, and when they run out,your body will start using fat as energy and your fat will start depleting.
its something like that,Im pretty sure it will work

You're right about low carb working for fat loss, but there's no many carbs the OP could realistically strip out of his diet cos he's not eating that many at all. Maybe getting rid of the fruit for something low GI would be a good option tho.

Jigsaw

Hanley wrote: »

You're right about low carb working for fat loss, but there's no many carbs the OP could realistically strip out of his diet cos he's not eating that many at all. Maybe getting rid of the fruit for something low GI would be a good option tho.

Can you suggest anything I could substitute for the fruit in my diet to assist in weight loss? Any particular fruits or something different altogether?

To put things in context, I train 5 times a week and it involves weights and cardio.

I am happy to use these fat stripper supplements but at the same time I don't want to pay an absolute fortune for these tablets for a minimal effect.

Magic Eight Ball

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

You're using whey shakes, as far as I know they're only useful directly after training.

You could stick to the whey for the one after the gym but the others either skip them or have a casein shake

I take a whey shake after my workout and before bed. Casein is the slow releasing protein right?, is that the only advantage over whey when it comes to pre-bed shakes?

I really couldn't be bothered buying to different tubs of protein, it's damaging to the wallet as is.. :pac:

ilovelamp2000

Hanley wrote: »

You're right about low carb working for fat loss, but there's no many carbs the OP could realistically strip out of his diet cos he's not eating that many at all. Maybe getting rid of the fruit for something low GI would be a good option tho.

True.

I've heard some trainers say that the first meal of the day determines how your body (and metabolism) will react to food during the rest of the day. So they've always suggested that the first thing you should eat should have plenty of protein.

Apparently it helps keep the metabolism ticking over a bit better.

It has worked for me in the past.

john_cappa

Greenmachine wrote: »

No idea on that particular supplement but IMHO you shouldn't take creatine if you are trying to lose weight.

rubbish

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

You're using whey shakes, as far as I know they're only useful directly after training.

You could stick to the whey for the one after the gym but the others either skip them or have a casein shake

whey shake is useful anytime you need protein

If you want to slow down absorbtion of the whey then add some fats to the shake e.g. flax oil

Transform wrote: »

your diet is good (not amazing but good) just stick to what your doing and forget about fat strippers oh and fat loss products in general also

good advice. If weight loss is slowing to less than 2-3lb per week then keep the diet the same but up you calorie out put! i.e extra exercise session


what is your current weight? height? bf %?

How much weight have you lost so far?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Jigsaw wrote: »

Can you suggest anything I could substitute for the fruit in my diet to assist in weight loss? Any particular fruits or something different altogether?

To put things in context, I train 5 times a week and it involves weights and cardio.

I am happy to use these fat stripper supplements but at the same time I don't want to pay an absolute fortune for these tablets for a minimal effect.

I think tangy fruits like grapefuit/oranges are low GI, wheres banana wouldn't be.

I wouldn't worry though, you're doing fine, the fat will go soon.

Greenmachine

rubadub wrote: »

From his post he seems far more concerned with losing fat than losing weight. Creatine might make him hold onto some water but should not effect fat, if he does respond well to it then the higher performance he can achieve might aid his fat loss.


I eat whey any time of the day, just like milk cheese or any dairy products.

Thank you for a sensible response. My reasons against using it were because of the water weight actually. If the op is trying to lose weight (fat), the water weight will counter the numbers on the scales. Also the aesthethic benefits of the weight (fat) loss will be reduced because of subcutaneous water under the skin. While it won't reduce fat loss per say, it won't benefit it in any way, thus my opposition to it in the OP's case.

Cremated

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

How much weight are you losing a week as it is?

You should only be losing 2lbs a week, MAX.

Any more than that is unhealthy. Just like gaining weight, losing weight takes time. If you are already losing weight accelerating it isn't probably a good idea.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but you said the max is 2lbs a week to be losing in weight,

is it still 2lbs max when you are more over weight?, I'm at the 19st mark, a bit under it, but last week I lost 3/4lbs and week before I lost 3lbs, then again week before that I only lost 2lbs,

it goes up and down for me,

but over the last 12/16 months, I'm down 5 1/2-6 stone, is it too fast,

just when you said 2lbs at max :eek:...

King of Kings

Hanley wrote: »

You're right about low carb working for fat loss, but there's no many carbs the OP could realistically strip out of his diet cos he's not eating that many at all. Maybe getting rid of the fruit for something low GI would be a good option tho.

the brown rice / spaghetti at 19:30 could be looked at and knocked on the head.

also you have no idea what portions the OP is dishing out. in Ireland we tend to lash on the spaghetti ,rice or potatoes like there is no tomorrow.

Cremated wrote: »

Sorry to hijack this thread, but you said the max is 2lbs a week to be losing in weight,

is it still 2lbs max when you are more over weight?, I'm at the 19st mark, a bit under it, but last week I lost 3/4lbs and week before I lost 3lbs, then again week before that I only lost 2lbs,

it goes up and down for me,

but over the last 12/16 months, I'm down 5 1/2-6 stone, is it too fast,

just when you said 2lbs at max :eek:...

the 2lb a week thing is a general rule (it holds little value in my opinion cos people are v. different)
an over weight person can lose a lot more in a week healthy than a person just looking to shift a few pounds.
Congrats on shifting the 5/6 stone btw and keep it going.

engrish?

Wow.... Didnt see that this was in the fitness forum, I was expecting a video of an overweight stripper...

Cremated

King of Kings wrote: »

the brown rice / spaghetti at 19:30 could be looked at and knocked on the head.

also you have no idea what portions the OP is dishing out. in Ireland we tend to lash on the spaghetti ,rice or potatoes like there is no tomorrow.



the 2lb a week thing is a general rule (it holds little value in my opinion cos people are v. different)
an over weight person can lose a lot more in a week healthy than a person just looking to shift a few pounds.
Congrats on shifting the 5/6 stone btw and keep it going.

Also they say when you lose weight, you can lose muscle with that, is there ways of stopping this?,

and thanks for the answer, I'm down to 19st, got three more to go, but I imagine it will get harder the more I lose now ...

john_cappa

Greenmachine wrote: »

Thank you for a sensible response. My reasons against using it were because of the water weight actually. If the op is trying to lose weight (fat), the water weight will counter the numbers on the scales. Also the aesthethic benefits of the weight (fat) loss will be reduced because of subcutaneous water under the skin. While it won't reduce fat loss per say, it won't benefit it in any way, thus my opposition to it in the OP's case.

Any water weight is only temporary and will disappear quickly once use is discontinued and will not effect fat loss. The increased muscle building properties of the creatine wont increase fat loss but it will assist in increasing muscle mass which will automatically result in a reduction in bf% even if no fat is lost

john_cappa

Cremated wrote: »

Also they say when you lose weight, you can lose muscle with that, is there ways of stopping this?,

and thanks for the answer, I'm down to 19st, got three more to go, but I imagine it will get harder the more I lose now ...

Losing weight slowly and consistantly is the key. Keep protein intake at a level appropriate for your muscle mass.

Hanley

john_cappa wrote: »

Any water weight is only temporary and will disappear quickly once use is discontinued and will not effect fat loss. The increased muscle building properties of the creatine wont increase fat loss but it will assist in increasing muscle mass which will automatically result in a reduction in bf% even if no fat is lost

Good post!

brianthebard

Greenmachine wrote: »

Thank you for a sensible response. My reasons against using it were because of the water weight actually. If the op is trying to lose weight (fat), the water weight will counter the numbers on the scales. Also the aesthethic benefits of the weight (fat) loss will be reduced because of subcutaneous water under the skin. While it won't reduce fat loss per say, it won't benefit it in any way, thus my opposition to it in the OP's case.

My understanding of the water retention issue is that it mainly happens during the loading phase, which not everyone necessarily follows, and that by drinking enough water a person ingesting creatine can avoid water retention almost entirely.

Cremated

john_cappa wrote: »

Losing weight slowly and consistantly is the key. Keep protein intake at a level appropriate for your muscle mass.

Sorry for all the questions,

but where would I find the required protein intake levels?,

thanks in advance...

ragg

Cremated wrote: »

Sorry for all the questions,

but where would I find the required protein intake levels?,

thanks in advance...

Find out your body fat percentage. get that figure in pounds
then your protein intake should be

Grams of protein perd day = your body weight in pounds - your body fat in pounds