Get the scissors ready!!

bleg

An Bord Snip Nua reports today.


Anybody know where it will be available online?

Gran Hermano

bleg wrote: »

An Bord Snip Nua reports today.


Anybody know where it will be available online?

Due to cutbacks they will no longer publish their findings online.

petes

Check RTE after two o'clock.

Terry

Who shot who in the what now?

minidazzler

Explain yourself bleg

bleg

minidazzler wrote: »

Explain yourself bleg

i think it's some sort of imposed circumcision

genericguy

bleg wrote: »

i think it's some sort of imposed circumcision

Ha, Pamela Izevbekhai would have to have legged it anyway so!

bleg

We'd probably be better off having the IMF come in and sort out the mess. The politicians don't have the balls.

Mossy Monk

bleg wrote: »

An Bord Snip Nua

Who came up with the name?

minidazzler

bleg wrote: »

i think it's some sort of imposed circumcision

Fcuk this ****, I'm going to mexico if their trying to take some of Mr. Johnson.

jumpguy

An Bord Snip was an agency the government set up to find areas in need of cutback in the public sector. No doubt they found many, and there will be many millions € worth of cuts introduced.
It's released its report today.

Darragh29

bleg wrote: »

We'd probably be better off having the IMF come in and sort out the mess. The politicians don't have the balls.

I said this ages ago, we need to let the place go t*ts up altogether, we are incapable of sorting this out for ourselves. I personally think we should increase ALL public sector pay, let's f*ck the place up right and proper, then we can expect the IMF to come over and sort this place out for once and for all...

Darragh29

Holy Jesus, listening to these cuts here on RTE1, sounds extremely severe, 'tis an awful pity most of them won't be implemented!

Wertz

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Who came up with the name?

Yeah seriously, this can't be the official statuatory name for this commitee can it?

It pisses me off, everytime I switch on RTÉ the past months some hack's been rabbiting on about this an bord snip nua....jesus eithere As Gaelige or in English, not the two combined.

Anyway, this is going to be the real budegt that we didn't see in either Oct '08 or April '09 and I expect the same people are going to get shafted even further while several financial elephants are left to freely wander around the room sh*tting on the rest of us...

connundrum

Its supposed to be on www.finance.gov.ie but the site is too busy, unsurprisingly.

the_syco

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Who came up with the name?

Most likely the usual way: get a couple of consultants costing many thousands of euro over a 3 month period.

=-=

Most likely they'll say we need to cut X. X will then strike, and X will then get more money. Usual sh|te.

My name is URL

That 'term' pisses me off so much.

Coined by RTE to sell their traitorous bullsh!t while the suits in Montrose live it up on public funding.

gtfo

jumpguy

It's a pity the government never thought of trying to make an agreement with the unions to accept the recommendations of report prior to it's release. However, if there's no balls implementing this, there should be a ****ing revolution tbh. The recession is gonna last forever.

ejmaztec

the_syco wrote: »

Most likely the usual way: get a couple of consultants costing many thousands of euro over a 3 month period.

=-=

Most likely they'll say we need to cut X. X will then strike, and X will then get more money. Usual sh|te.

It probably started off as An Bord Bollocks Nua, then An Bord <Snip> Nua, and finally An Bord Snip Nua.

PCros

OUTLINE OF PROPOSALS

Social and Family Affairs

* Cuts to all social welfare payments by 5% - €850m

* Reduction and changes to child benefit - €513m

* An end to receiving two welfare payments - €100m

* An end to payments for Community Employment Schemes for those already on benefit - €100m

* Cutting benefits for dental, optical and hearing services - €92m

* Grading of jobseekers allowance by age - €70m

* Cutting the Family Support Agency - €30m

* Changing eligibility for Family Income Supplement - €20m

* Taxing household benefits package - €11.6m

Staff cuts - None

Total cut €1.8bn

Health and Children

* Reduce the size of the Department by 10% a year over the next three years - €11m

* Reduce HSE staff - €391.3m

* Revise the income guidelines for the Medical Card to the basic rate of social welfare, the jobseekers allowance - €100m

* Increase the threshold for the Drugs Payment Scheme from 4100 to €125 a month - €37m

* Those previously receiving free prescriptions must now pay €5 for each prescription - €70m

* Hold an open competition to provide services under the General Medical Services scheme - €370m

* Increase Hospital Charges - €6m

* Increase charges for private facilities in public hospitals by 20% - €50m

* Hospitals and clinicians must provide generic medicines, off-patent drugs and value-for-money treatments - €30m

* Changes to agencies and organisations in the disability and mental health area which receive State funding - €50m

* Changes to the Fair Deal scheme with the individual to contribute more to nursing home care from their own residence - €50m

* Means test for Homecare packages - €24m

Total cuts: €1.2bn

Staff cuts: 540

Education and Science

* Staff and pay cuts in primary and post primary schools - €150m

* Staff cuts at third level - €140m

* Cuts to number of special needs assistants and English language support teachers - €81m

* Increased pupil teacher ratio at primary and post primary - €80m

* Change to student support grant - €70m

* Cuts to capitation grants for primary and post primary schools - €25m

* Cuts to research and development - €27.5m

* Cuts to grants for private schools - €25m

* Merging of smaller primary schools - €25m

* Cuts to school transport - €25m

* Integration of senior travelling training - €25m

* Cuts to third level structures - €23.7m

Staff cuts 6,390

Total cut €746m

Agriculture

* Reduce expenditure on the Disadvantaged Area Compensatory Allowance Scheme by 30% - €66m

* Terminate the Suckler Cow Scheme - €44m

* Close REPS 4 and no rollover from REPS 2 and 3 into REPS 4 - €80m

* Reduce Teagasc staff numbers, rationalise Teagasc and Dept offices - €37m

Total cuts €305m

Staff cuts 1,140 staff

Enterprise, Trade and Employment

* Merge the regional offices and shared services of Enterprise Ireland, IDA and FÁS - €87m

* A single reduced funding stream for all science, technology and innovation activities across all departments - €53m

* Streamline all support of Irish enterprises and marketing functions in Enterprise Ireland - €10m

* Stop funding the FÁS Services to Business and Skillnets programmes - €27m

* Cuts to training allowances for the unemployed - €24.5m

Total cuts €237.7m

Staff cuts 594

Community Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs

* Cuts to Community Services Programmes - €64m

* Cuts to Gaeltacht Schemes - €20.8m

* Cuts to islands infrastructure - €20m

Staff cuts 196

Total cut €151m

Environment, Heritage and Local Government

* Cuts to local government including an end to 12 county or town councils - €100m

* Further efficiencies - €30m

Staff cuts 30

Total cut €130m

Department of Transport

* Efficiencies among CIE companies - €55m

* Cuts to road maintenance - €20m

* Cuts to regional air services - €15m

* Axing the Rural Transport Scheme - €11m

* Outsourcing of driver and vehicle testing - €10m

* Cuts to the Road Saferty Authority - €4.2m

* Merging the National Roads Authority and the Railway Procurement Agency - €3m

* Merging the National Vehicle and Driver File into the Road Safety Authority - €2m

Staff cuts 80

Total cut €127.1m

Arts, Sports and Tourism

* Cuts in allocation to tourism and marketing - €27m

* Cut in grant to Sports Council - €17.7m

* Cut allocation to Horse and Greyhound Fund - €16.4m

Staff cuts 170

Total cut €104.8m

Department of Justice

* Cuts to pay and allowances for justice sector staff - including gardai - €65m

* Cuts to the courts service - €13.5m

* Cuts in immigration staff - €10m

* Transfer disability functions of department to Department of Health - €2.6m

* Cuts to Youth Detention Centres - €2.5m

Staff cuts 540

Total cut €136.4m

Communications, Energy and Natural Resources

* Cuts to energy efficiency schemes run by Sustainable Energy Ireland - €40m

* Cuts to direct funding to TG4 - to be partially funded from licence fee - €10m

Staff cuts 106

Total cuts €65.6m

Defence

* Measures including a reduction in Defence Forces personnel by more than 500

Total cuts €53m

Staff cuts 520

Finance

* Cuts to the Office of Public Works - reducing spare capacity and rental costs - €21m
Staff cuts 660

Total cuts €82.8m

Department of Foreign Affairs

* Cuts to overseas missions - €15m

* Cuts to overseas aid - €14.8m

* Cuts to Support for Irish Emigrants - €1m

Staff cuts 65

Total cut €41.7m

Houses of the Oireachtas Commission

* Changes to some operations - €6m

* Cuts to Oireachtas Allowances and Benefits - €1.5m

Total cuts €7.8m

Staff cuts 42

National Treasury Management Agency

* Reduce staff and other administrative costs - €5.3m

* Changes at the State Claims Agency including payment schemes, legal fees and risk management services

Total cuts €5.3m

Staff cuts 40

Department of the Taoiseach

* An end to the National Economic and Social Development Organisation - except for the National Economic and Social Council - €4m

* Axing the Law Reform Commission - €2.8m

* Cuts to the cost of Census 2011 - €2.2m

Staff cuts 77

Total Cut €17.5m


SOURCE: RTE

jumpguy

* Reduce HSE staff - €391.3m
Staff Cuts: 540

That, my friends, is why our public finances are a mess in the first place.

500.

saviourgirl

jumpguy wrote: »

That, my friends, is why our public finances are a mess in the first place.

500.

I hear ya....

My name is URL

Jesus thats some amout of cuts. When will they be implemented?

Smart Bug

jumpguy wrote: »

That, my friends, is why our public finances are a mess in the first place.

500.

Y'see, the problem with the staff cuts figures include introduction of obligatory unpaid overtime for doctors and nurses. Bad idea.

Smart Bug

My name is URL wrote: »

Jesus thats some amout of cuts. When will they be implemented?

In short? They won't be. Not all anyway.

The first thing they'll do is cut Civil Service/Public Service pay. By publishing this report without prior consultation with Unions the government has implemented a strategy whereby the public (private sector workers) and press will demonise public sector workers, leaving them no option (they hope) to take these cuts lying down. Any pay cuts will be untenable for the vast majority of public sector workers and strike action will have to be considered, even though these people probably can't afford to go on strike. Imagine striking Public Sector unions in that kind of climate?

PCros

My name is URL wrote: »

Jesus thats some amout of cuts. When will they be implemented?

I think they are recommendations, therefore I guess some will be picked and some wont for implementation?

We do spend some amount on welfare!!

Hail 2 Da Chimp

In addition to 17,300 public service job cuts

Dey tuk our jobs!!!!

According to the figures posted above, its:

11190 jobs and
€5,211,700,000

all to be cut.

genericguy

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Dey tuk our jobs!!!!

No, dey didn't.

Links to full reports:

Vol I

Vol II

sunnyside

My name is URL wrote: »

Jesus thats some amout of cuts. When will they be implemented?

I can't see the government being very willing to impliment much of this, there will be massive public opposition to it.

Some people don't seem to get that it's just a report/recommendations. They think it's all happening tomorrow...

bleg

Pity it's not.

Smart Bug

I think we should abandon the whole monetary system and return to a complicated semi-feudal caste system based around bartering of goods and services.

mobius42

Some other things not mentioned in the snip (:pac:) above:

The group says the Department of Community, Rural & Gaeltacht Affairs should be closed and its functions redistributed.

It also says the need for the Department of Arts, Sports & Tourism should be critically examined and the programme expenditure of both departments should be significantly scaled back.

It recommends reducing the number of Local Authorities from 34 to 22.

Closing the CRGA department is a good idea. It might get rid of the moron O'Quiv.

bleg

Why no recommendation on taxing the horse racing/stud farming industry?

ejmaztec

bleg wrote: »

Why no recommendation on taxing the horse racing/stud farming industry?

Because we'll need all the horses we can get when we've joined the third world.

Alessandra

Cutting all those public sector jobs = more people on the dole getting rent allowance, family income supplement, medical cards etc but I guess it's a net saving all the same.

I think it's about time the number of councillors was cut. In these parts anyway they don't do much to warrant their ridiculous pay packets.

Wouldn't mind a few TDs being sacked either, there are grossly overpaid and to add insult to injury heard of one who has employed half their family in various administrative positions.

lucernarian

An Bord Snip Nua proposed a total of 6,000 or thereabouts in staff cuts for the HSE, not 540...

It's there in the report. RTE were off their rocker in saying that just 540 jobs would go...

Quazzie

* Reduce HSE staff - €391.3m
Staff Cuts: 540

That works out an averagesalary of €724,629.63

Surely that can't be right :eek:

Overheal

Why am I not surprised that one of the few people not getting a pay cut is the Taoiseach? Or the Dail for the matter. Or the President.

Jimbo

Cuts to road maintenance - €20m
Cuts to the Road Saferty Authority - €4.2m

Watch the death tolls rise

Gran Hermano

Jimbo wrote: »

Cuts to road maintenance - €20m
Cuts to the Road Saferty Authority - €4.2m

Watch the death tolls rise

Maybe it'll cut the funding for their sexist and nonsensical adverts.

lucernarian

Quazzie wrote: »

That works out an averagesalary of €724,629.63

Surely that can't be right :eek:

Eh read the post just before yours;) 6000 people are to be cut in the HSE under Board Snip's recommendations.

thelordofcheese

Overheal wrote: »

Why am I not surprised that one of the few people not getting a pay cut is the Taoiseach? Or the Dail for the matter. Or the President.

because they'd be roughly around 0.0000001% of the debit and these are meant to be somewhat useful suggestions.

Overheal

thelordofcheese wrote: »

because they'd be roughly around 0.0000001% of the debit and these are meant to be somewhat useful suggestions.

It shows no solidarity and offers no faith in leadership. Worth more than the monetary value, to be perfectly honest. "Oh yes, we're cutting your healthcare. And your roads. And your safety. But damned if I have to put off my vacation."

thelordofcheese

Overheal wrote: »

It shows no solidarity and offers no faith in leadership. Worth more than the monetary value, to be perfectly honest. "Oh yes, we're cutting your healthcare. And your roads. And your safety. But damned if I have to put off my vacation."

I'd rather a list of realistic suggestions that save a substantial amount of money over a populist wage cut that'd achieve nothing.

bleg

A reduction in the pay for the TDs, Cabinet, reduced number of junior ministers (or abolish them) and reduced pay for sitting on Dail committees are all decisions that better be made.


Also take the pensions off the sitting TDs. If any of them have the cheek to take it to court see what the people do.

bleg

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'd rather a list of realistic suggestions that save a substantial amount of money over a populist wage cut that'd achieve nothing.

In fairness some of the cuts have been as low 0.5m. The cuts in my post could easily exceed 5 times that number.

thelordofcheese

bleg wrote: »

In fairness some of the cuts have been as low 0.5m. The cuts in my post could easily exceed 5 times that number.

Your suggestions also include "no pension, fuck you" so while they may well save that amount of money, it's a bad idea. As unpopular a sentiment as that might be here in angrymob central.

ShooterSF

PCros wrote: »

* Hold an open competition to provide services under the General Medical Services scheme - €370m

Please let it be a colouring in competition. I kick ass at them. I nearly always stay inside the lines.

old boy

as usual, leinster house and the pheonix park seem to have escaped the scissors, and oh yes the judiciary. (the mismanagement for finance is one and married to one also, what about the expert who was hired to guide him another escapee, do we need them both, can somebody give a list of people in goverment etc, who are or have relatives in the legal profession.:cool: