Mazda 6 - diesel engine problems

galwaytt

jmayo wrote: »

Well just found this thread so had to add to tale of woe.

I have a Mazda 6 03 diesel with 102,000 on the clock.
Was driving fine.
Few weeks ago driving back from West to Dublin began to notice a bit smoky when I accelerated.
Thought nothing much since had diesels that were smoky before and I would just check it out when got home.
Then accelerating away from toll plaza on M4 boom bang
Engine started knocking badly, all sorts fo noises, would not shut down.
I and the motorway were covered in smoke.
Left trail of black on the road as I veered into hard shoulder.
Guys in toll plaza thought I was on fire.

Anyway firstly thought it was blown turbo that sucked oil into engine but now according to mechanic turbo not totally blown and still fair amount of oilleft in sump.
He needs to check how bad engine is, but it does not sound hopeful.
I have been quoted 2,900 for engine import with 3 month guarantee.
Not even reconditioned engine but just second hand.

Anyone ever heard of similar story ?

Tons of people have, e.g., here: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=57098&m=706170#706170

And that's just volume 1.

At least you got 20k more out your engine, than I did, mine.

Me, I don't think a used engine is worth.......zip.........even with a warranty. Way too many strings attached. Either rebuild the entire thing from the ground up, or buy a NEW engine. Anything else is only gambling. BTDT.

Me? I scrapped the car, last year: 02, 85k miles, got €750 for it, and chalked it up to .....'experience'.....:rolleyes:

Oh, a search on here, found this, too: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055486343&highlight=mazda+pump

jasonb

Wow, I've just started looking for a new car and the Mazda 6 was on my list, but it might be coming off the list now!

I'd be looking at buying probably an '08 Mazda 6, which as far as I know is a newer model. does anyone know if Diesel engines in the newer models are different to the older ones? Or are they the same engine ( and I can therefore expect similar problems )?

Thanks...

J.

Tea 1000

jasonb wrote: »

Wow, I've just started looking for a new car and the Mazda 6 was on my list, but it might be coming off the list now!

I'd be looking at buying probably an '08 Mazda 6, which as far as I know is a newer model. does anyone know if Diesel engines in the newer models are different to the older ones? Or are they the same engine ( and I can therefore expect similar problems )?

Thanks...

J.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this problem is blown out of proportion. It has happened, but I've heard of just as many horror stories from other makes.
Anyhoo, if you're looking at the new model go for the newer 2.2 diesel, it's a much better engine. Good car too, best handling in its class.

jasonb

While the problem might be blown out of proportion, it's hard to spend money on a car that you've heard bad things about!

With regards to the 2.2Ltr Diesel, are there any 2008 cars with this or was in only available from 2009 onwards, do you know?

J.

Tea 1000

jasonb wrote: »

While the problem might be blown out of proportion, it's hard to spend money on a car that you've heard bad things about!

With regards to the 2.2Ltr Diesel, are there any 2008 cars with this or was in only available from 2009 onwards, do you know?

J.

Started creeping in in 2008, more common in 2009 alright.
If you listen hard enough, you'll hear bad things about all cars out there!!

coolbeans

sddaly wrote: »

Hi All,

Just wondering how many people have suffered problems with their Mazda 6 diesel engines?

My reason for asking is that mine, a 2006 with 68k on the clock, developed a serious knock on the way to work on Monday. The dealer tells me they rarely go wrong, but searching on Google tells a different story.

Does anyone else have experience of these going wrong?

Ours did. It was a 120HP 2002 model. Lovely car to drive and we got 133000 out of her before she developed the knock. I sold it this year for 1500E to a mechanic who knew the score with the engine. Shame really as it was a great car when healthy. There's a serious design flaw with that engine. The mazda man told us to move it on sharpish when he serviced it. I was happy to be rid of it and especially so to a buyer who knew that the engine was cabbaged.

Wheelnut

The newer Mazda diesels have their problems too. They are fitted with particulate filters in the exhaust. These filters are purged by a combustion process. The Europeans add a special fluid to achieve the combustion. The Japs seem to add extra diesel to the injection process so that some passes through the engine unburned and ignites in the filter.

The problem is that some of the diesel gets past the piston rings and dilutes the engine oil. If you look at the engine you will see a sticker on the top. It shows a drawing of the dip stick with the MIN and MAX marks, and above the MAX mark is an "X". The sticker warns that the oil must be changed when the level rises to the "X".

galwaytt

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this problem is blown out of proportion. It has happened, but I've heard of just as many horror stories from other makes.
Anyhoo, if you're looking at the new model go for the newer 2.2 diesel, it's a much better engine. Good car too, best handling in its class.

...and I've said it many times before, and I'll say many more times to come.... but as an ex-owner of offending diesel, and unless you've had one, then I'm afraid my experience trumps your 'opinion'. The RF series diesel, from Mazda, is a piece of junk. If you don't believe me, see if you can get anyone in the trade to take one as a trade in..........

Now, the 2.2 may well be different, but as surely as they said that about hte RF2.0 over it's predecessor, are you willing to be the 5k guinea pig ?

And yes, all cars have problems, but not fundamental engineering flaws that dump 5k bills on people, unannounced, even with fsh. It also suffers from injection pump, DPF and DMF issues. Add them all together and you get..... a boat anchor.

Jason, if you get the car for half-nothing, and with bumper-bumper warranty for a good period, and resign yourself to getting zero for it when you're finished with it (say 2 years), then, maybe. Otherwise,....well, you might as well spend the money at the Tote at the Galway Races, tbh........

dmrules

I've Mazda 6 TD 2004 and had no problems what so ever...great engine...110k without changing timing belt( i know, should have done it at 70k but no time and no money...) so not too bad... me think

Jonty

dmrules wrote: »

I've Mazda 6 TD 2004 and had no problems what so ever...great engine...110k without changing timing belt( i know, should have done it at 70k but no time and no money...) so not too bad... me think

I can't understand how people can be proud of the fact of NOT servicing/maintaining their vehicle when required to.

markel

Thinking of getting Mazda 3 saloon 1.6 diesel on scrappage
Any problems with these?

Max Power1

Jonty wrote: »

I can't understand how people can be proud of the fact of NOT servicing/maintaining their vehicle when required to.

and then we wonder why theres a load of threads about certain engines dying at 100k, small wonder when they are not maintained!

Tea 1000

galwaytt wrote: »

...and I've said it many times before, and I'll say many more times to come.... but as an ex-owner of offending diesel, and unless you've had one, then I'm afraid my experience trumps your 'opinion'. The RF series diesel, from Mazda, is a piece of junk. If you don't believe me, see if you can get anyone in the trade to take one as a trade in..........

Now, the 2.2 may well be different, but as surely as they said that about hte RF2.0 over it's predecessor, are you willing to be the 5k guinea pig ?

And yes, all cars have problems, but not fundamental engineering flaws that dump 5k bills on people, unannounced, even with fsh. It also suffers from injection pump, DPF and DMF issues. Add them all together and you get..... a boat anchor.

Jason, if you get the car for half-nothing, and with bumper-bumper warranty for a good period, and resign yourself to getting zero for it when you're finished with it (say 2 years), then, maybe. Otherwise,....well, you might as well spend the money at the Tote at the Galway Races, tbh........

Not an opinion, one sitting in my driveway, 2004, own it 3 years, and mate has one with nearly 140k miles, neither have blown up, so therefore my "opinion" as you call it is actually based on fact, and I've got 100% more backup to my story than you have!
They don't have a dual-mass flywheel, so not sure where you got that from, and the DPF is only in the newer ones. Fuel pumps, injectors and EGR valves are common to ALL diesel engines thanks to they being pushed too hard and our fuel being absolute dirt.
Also, I know people who've owned Saab 9-3 and Vectra diesels who've had nothing but problems, but you haven't had any with yours. Again, who's right?
It's like anything. You ask someone who has owned the one that broke and they'll warn everyone off them. You ask the rest and they'll recommend them.
I don't know of one single diesel engine from ANY manufacturer made in the last 10 years that has had zero problems.
Conclusion? Buy petrol, or take your chance.

coolbeans

Very few 6 diesels were sold in Ireland relative to the other more mainstream diesel models that you seem to think are just as troublesome. The bottom line with these cars from personal experience, from other users on here, and in reports from hundreds if not thousands of owners suggests very strongly that there is a fundamental and unacceptable level of engine failure attributable to that engine. I didn't like hearing it when I heard it first because these stories devalued the value of the car but that's life. The fact that the Mazda main dealer mechanic stated what I knew already only strengthens the point.
Your car may be fine but many, too many are not.

-Corkie-

Just wondering. I know wheres there is a really clean 03 mazda 6 but the engine is seized. I can get it for 1k. Would it be worth buying it and doing it up or a waste of time.

nick95

my car is mazda 626 2.2 diesel , the problem is that : the engine starts hard and when it starts automatically stops .. but when i hold GAS it not stop .. help !

eadyzrx1200

Just had my 2005 Mazda 6 2lt diesel go pop. The problem is i cant find another engine anywhere, does anyone know if any other diesel engines are compatible with it (ford etc)

galwaytt

eadyzrx1200 wrote: »

Just had my 2005 Mazda 6 2lt diesel go pop. The problem is i cant find another engine anywhere, does anyone know if any other diesel engines are compatible with it (ford etc)

In short, no, there isn't.

TBH, I'm surprised there are any left running at this stage. Which means, even IF you were to find an engine, it'd be nothing short of roulette. Unless, of course it's for sale for dirt money.

Btdt, have the tee-shirt: and the receipt for scrapping the car..........

Cheaper to just get another car, tbh.

Danmazdasports

I bought a mazda 6 sports 2008 model, I cant get the phone kit working my mechanic said im to look for a software update disk can anyone give me any ideas on this as I have been off the road for the past 6 years and bought this as a present because I have defeated epilepsy anyone who can help I would be grateful as I cant use my built in hands free kit
thanks for your help

KR

Dan

clogher71

Danmazdasports wrote: »

I bought a mazda 6 sports 2008 model, I cant get the phone kit working my mechanic said im to look for a software update disk can anyone give me any ideas on this as I have been off the road for the past 6 years and bought this as a present because I have defeated epilepsy anyone who can help I would be grateful as I cant use my built in hands free kit
thanks for your help

KR

Dan

Does the car have Bluetooth? Or is it a 'parrot type phone kit you are trying to connect to?
If the car requires a software update you should book it into a Mazda dealer to get the update carried out!