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Khan v Kotelnik - the PPV dilemma

  • 14-07-2009 9:31pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭


    Tyson Fury, Danny McIntosh and Nathan Cleverley free on ITV4 with an additional smattering of Ukrainian boxing on Eurosports;

    or

    Khan v Kotelnik on SKY PPV for £15 (21 yos).

    The burning question - I'll be watchin 12 votes

    ITV & Eurosport
    0%
    SKY PPV
    58%
    Big Earsdlofnepcowzerpf1danFreeOSCARIrishIrishHellsing 7 votes
    Both
    41%
    jonoliver28unknown13SlipperyPeopleVintagekitsHacks 5 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Tyson Fury, Danny McIntosh and Nathan Cleverley free on ITV4 with an additional smattering of Ukrainian boxing on Eurosports;

    or

    Khan v Kotelnik on SKY PPV for £15 (21 yos).

    No option for neither? Id like to watch Khan but he's not a big enough draw outside the UK to justify PPV, i can't imagine the figures would be good.
    Don't have ITV4 so thats out the window, wouldn't have alot of interest in Fury anyway, would only watch it if flicking through


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Both
    SKY because the card is pritty good


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭f1dan


    SKY PPV
    colly10 wrote: »
    Don't have ITV4 so thats out the window

    If you have sky it's fairly easy to tune in.

    Go to services, system setup, add channels

    10.758
    V
    22
    5/6


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭gary nevillevil


    Where's the option for watching Online? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    To be honest, love him or hate him, he is damn watchable.
    I have ITV4, and I will watch bits, but I will pay to
    watch Khan and his bout will be the main attraction for me.

    Thanks for the heads up on the other fights on the other stations!

    Great night ahead. You just cannot beat a good fight night.
    Of all the sports there are, and I do follow a lot, the
    fight nights when there are exciting bouts, beats them all!

    BTW, is boards.ie damn slow lately or is it just me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    I have the tv and the laptop on at the same time and I'll pick whichever fights seem to be better or interest me more.

    However if you were to weigh up each option.
    Kotelnik v Khan-WBA Light-Welterweight title
    Matthew Hall v Anthony Small-British and Commonwealth Light-Middleweight titles
    Enzo Maccarinelli v Denis Ledebev-WBO Inter-bollocks title
    Kell Brook v Michael Lomax-British Welterweight title

    Also Kevin Mitchell, Paul Smith, Frankie Gavin, Billy Joe Saunders and James Degale fighting, although I seriously doubt Sky will show all that.

    Then it is probably better value than:
    ITV4-
    Nathan Cleverly v Danny McIntosh-British and Commonwealth Light-Heavyweight titles
    Tyson Fury v Aleksandrs Selezens
    John Thaxton v Tom Glover
    Andy Murray v Adam Kelly
    and possibly(if there's a few knockouts) some of Steve O'Meara v Lee Noble or Lee Purdy v Kevin McCauley.

    This is combined of course with Eurosport.
    Vyachelsav Uzelkov(WBA #2 Light-Heavy) v Istvan Varga
    Avtandil Khurtsidze(WBA #4) v Jamel Bahki-WBA Inter-Bauble Middleweight title.
    Valery Brazhnik v TBA

    Uzelkov is the one to look out for on this card, he's already knocked out the WBA champ at the weight(Campillo) in 6 rounds and he also has beaten Lakatos.

    However as you can see the Sky bill is the one to watch, but that's if you don't factor in the €20+. Depends really how much you value your €20, the main event on the ITV4 bill should be very good but the rest of the action may be a bit uncompetitive on both the Eurosport and ITV bills and leave something to be desired in the excitement stakes.

    The fights to watch are:
    1.Khan v Kotelnik, probably won't be the most exciting fight but it has the most hype and most interest. Essentially it's the 'big fight' and will bring big fight excitement even if the fight itself is a let down.

    2. Hall v Small, should be a barn burner, both possess good power and chins which have shown some vunerability. Hall is aggressive and pressures other fighters, Small leaps in with shots which are dangerous but leave him open. One of them should be getting knocked out, with may see a few knockdowns in this.

    3.McIntosh v Cleverly, Cleverly is more rounded and has got to be the favourite but this should be his toughest test to date and it could turn into a real scrap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 damox1


    Hi Guys,

    What time will Khan & Kotelnik enter the ring?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    f1dan wrote: »
    If you have sky it's fairly easy to tune in.

    Go to services, system setup, add channels

    10.758
    V
    22
    5/6

    thanks for that but what number does the station come on because I cant find ITV etc even though i've added the channels?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    it's ok, brain freeze over. found them!

    Reckon I'll pay to see Khan (hopefully get beaten)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Vintagekits


    Both
    Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!! folded like a biatch and got the PPV!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!! folded like a biatch and got the PPV!

    Knew you would :D

    Bit of bad news though, it looks like you mightn't get anything more than highlights of Maccarinelli v Lebedev and Brook v Lomax if you get them at all.

    I've not idea why they can't show them in full after the Khan fight, the excuse of running out of time is bull**** when Sky Box Office is concerned, there's nothing else going to be on the channel so they should just ****ing show it.
    Then again with the way Sky operate they probably get some sick sense of pleasure out of feeling they're ripping people off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭syngindub


    so what time is the Khan fight starting at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    Anyone gotta stream link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    http://www.p2pstation.net/

    sorry. it's changed from boxing to soccer):

    try this one:
    http://www.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/old


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    http://www.justin.tv/interimchamp/old

    seems to work for me

    I miss my dodgy box :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    That stream works good for me. Any one like to take a punt on the number of rounds.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭alanceltic


    iv been watchin this stream which is holding up VERY well

    http://www.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/old

    cant believe kontelnik is 15-1 to win on points,,,,, value bet lets see if i can score another soft touch after calling dunnes KO last time out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭horsebox09


    john47832 wrote: »
    http://www.justin.tv/interimchamp/old

    seems to work for me

    I miss my dodgy box :(
    new versions of the dodgy box are out i got one last week!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    That stream works good for me. Any one like to take a punt on the number of rounds.?

    I backed Khan to win rounds 4-6 at 5/1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    alanceltic wrote: »
    iv been watchin this stream which is holding up VERY well

    http://www.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/old

    cant believe kontelnik is 15-1 to win on points,,,,, value bet lets see if i can score another soft touch after calling dunnes KO last time out!

    Kotelnik on points is an awful bet, if Kotelnik is doing enough to win rounds(6/7 minimum) it means he's landing on Amir. If he's doing that, then he's going to knock him out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Kotelnik on points is an awful bet, if Kotelnik is doing enough to win rounds(6/7 minimum) it means he's landing on Amir. If he's doing that, then he's going to knock him out.



    Have to agree with that. One way or another this fight will end in a stoppage. Most likely in favour of Khan, but not long now to wait to find out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    Kess73 wrote: »
    Have to agree with that. One way or another this fight will end in a stoppage. Most likely in favour of Khan, but not long now to wait to find out.

    From the looks of it Khan wide on points followed by Khan late stoppage are the most likely results.

    Khan's boxing brilliant here and his chin is holding up well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭mark renton


    Cant see the fight very clerly - is Khan really that far ahead - sky commentators have been know to be a little biased


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    john47832 wrote: »
    Cant see the fight very clerly - is Khan really that far ahead - sky commentators have been know to be a little biased

    I reckon he is, there's 2 rounds you maybe could have given to Kotelnik(from the view in my ****ty stream) but they've probably gone to Khan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Big Ears wrote: »
    From the looks of it Khan wide on points followed by Khan late stoppage are the most likely results.

    Khan's boxing brilliant here and his chin is holding up well.



    I have to say that the commentators always manage to really annoy me with their overhyping of Khan.



    He has looked good tonight and looks on course for the win, but he has shown signs that if he were in with a higher class of fighter that he could be caught quite badly. But at least tonight he is in against a live fighter, and not a total walkover like some of his opponents in the past.


    Kotelnik is still in it though, and I am curious to see if his gameplan changes if this goes to the last round as it is starting to look like it will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Seperate


    Kahn's getting caught a bit now, his defence isn't what it was in the first 5 or 6 rounds. He doesn't look strong enough to end the fight early.

    He's comfortable on points, Kotelnik will need to chase the KO, which probably plays into Kahns hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    well that's it then. The gits had to prove me wrong and go the distance. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    Excellent display from Khan, he still has huge flaws, he still looks like he'd be easily dealt with by the top boys but he's done fantastic to grab a version of the World title against a real solid operator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Excellent display from Khan, he still has huge flaws, he still looks like he'd be easily dealt with by the top boys but he's done fantastic to grab a version of the World title against a real solid operator.



    That is a fair call on tonight. He will look great to a certain level, but also looks as though he would be dispatched with aplomb by the division's best.

    I have switched it off now though because I really cannot be listening to the media going on as if he is the second coming.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭geurrp the yard


    Kess73 wrote: »
    I have switched it off now though because I really cannot be listening to the media going on as if he is the second coming.

    He's british, what do you expect?

    Khans fitness was unreal tonight. Alot of that has to do with freddie roach. Chin held up well. Wonder whats the odds of a hatton v khan match happening. Id say hatton would be to powerful for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭alanceltic


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Kotelnik on points is an awful bet,

    Well it turned out that way, I was rekoning it would be a close fight and that the judges would give any close rounds in favour of the champ..... i didnt bank on khan spending the entire 12 rounds on his bike and that made for a bad fight from the comfort of my armchair, really exected more from kontelnik


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭gary nevillevil


    Well great night of boxing all-round, But was very sad :( for poor Maccarinelli maybe thats it for him!
    Cleverly looked great in beaten the "showboat" McIntosh tonight.
    All in all some great fights and well done to Khan super performance from him against a good fighter in Kotelink....

    ...I'm hoping for Khan V Hatton in the not to distant future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He's british, what do you expect?

    Khans fitness was unreal tonight. Alot of that has to do with freddie roach. Chin held up well. Wonder whats the odds of a hatton v khan match happening. Id say hatton would be to powerful for him.

    Khan boxed superbly against a less than impressive world champion.
    Khan did what he had to, stuck to the plan and executed it well.

    BTW, Hatton hasn't a hope of beating Khan, he's washed up and past it.
    And god forbid if he somehow did, Khan should hang his gloves up in shame

    Kotelnik really had little to offer and the punch stats say this.
    He just wasn't throwing the shots. Khan still looks very ordinary
    and vulnerable when he is ATTACKED. He lacks that real composure
    and versatility, but what a display of fitness and punching and moving.
    Really really impressive; but again, Kotelnik juts didn't seem like
    a world beater to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    He's british, what do you expect?

    Khans fitness was unreal tonight. Alot of that has to do with freddie roach. Chin held up well. Wonder whats the odds of a hatton v khan match happening. Id say hatton would be to powerful for him.




    Well I expect not to have my intelligence insulted with Kotelnik being called world class and that he was a top tier fighter. I don't expect to have to listen to Khan's defensive work being called world class and being expected to believe it was amazing.


    I understand it was the British media hyping up a British fighter in the manner they do so that they can be there for the fall, which will happen in style if Khan goes in against the genuine world class fighters in the division. But even the "Khan, the man who would be king" bit that was flashing up on screen between rounds was a bit much.


    It is like the lucky bag commentary over here when Dunne or Andy Lee are fighting. Cringeworthy stuff.


    Khan won, and he was well worth the win. There is no doubt on that, but the relentless hype and need to crown him as the best out there bugs me. I know it is the hype maching of the modern game, and it is there for the idiots for like to jump on a winning bandwagon rather than genuine fight fans, but that does not mean I have to like it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    walshb wrote: »
    Khan boxed superb;y against a less than impressive world champion.
    Khan did what he had to, stuck to the plan and executed it well.

    BTW, Hatton hasn't a hope of beating Khan, he's washed up and past it.
    And god forbid if he somehow did, Khan should hang his glves up in shame

    Kotelnik really had little to offer and the punch stats say this.
    He just wasn't throwing the shots. Khan still looks very ordinary
    and vulnerable when he is ATTACKED. He lacks that real composure
    and versatility, but what a display of fitness and punching and moving.
    Really really impressive; but again, Kotelnik juts didn't seem like
    a world beater to me.




    I actually think that a motivated and fit Hatton can beat Khan. But it would need to take place in the next 12 months and no later if Hatton is to have a chance.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭triv88


    Kess73 wrote: »
    if Khan goes in against the genuine world class fighters in the division.

    .

    How long would khan be able to avoid fighting one of "the big dogs"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, here's a breakdown of the boys at 140 lbs.

    Nothing special and Khan can out box any of them, but can he survive their
    assaults?

    If I were told that Khan boxed all and all fights went the full route, I would bet that Khan was the victor. The guy is so difficult to outbox.

    I think he's still too young and hasn't matured enough to be the best here.
    Also, remove Hatton altogether I would say.

    Look at where Kotelnik is rated? So, Khan did obliterate him and that
    does elevate him. These are July 1st ratings form Eastside.

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Timothy Bradley
    3. Nate Campbell
    4. Marcos Maidana
    5. Andreas Kotelnik
    6. Joan Guzman
    7. Junior Witter
    8. Ricky Hatton
    9. Kendall Holt
    10. Lamont Peterson
    11. Devon Alexander
    12. Juan Urango
    13. Ricardo Torres
    14. Randall Bailey
    15. Victor Ortiz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, here's a breakdown of the boys at 140 lbs.

    Nothing special and Khan can out box any of them, but can he survive their
    assaults?

    If I were told that Khan boxed all and all fights went the full route, I would bet that Khan was the victor. The guy is so difficult to outbox.

    I think he's still too young and hasn't matured enough to be the best here.
    Also, remove Hatton altogether I would say.

    Look at where Kotelnik is rated? So, Khan did obliterate him and that
    does elevate him. These are July 1st ratings form Eastside.

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Timothy Bradley
    3. Nate Campbell
    4. Marcos Maidana
    5. Andreas Kotelnik
    6. Joan Guzman
    7. Junior Witter
    8. Ricky Hatton
    9. Kendall Holt
    10. Lamont Peterson
    11. Devon Alexander
    12. Juan Urango
    13. Ricardo Torres
    14. Randall Bailey
    15. Victor Ortiz




    The top three stop him for sure in my eyes. Would be interesting if he fought the winner of next month's Campbell/Bradley bout in terms of finding out how good he actually is.

    I think Ricardo Torres would have too much power as well as having a good defense and good footwork.


    I would also fancy Witter against him, and as I already said, a fit and motivated Hatton would have a decent chance aganst him.

    I would love to see him in with Urango, as he is durable with power. Would either be a case of Khan winning by a massive points margin, or Urango sparking him, but I would enjoy the contrasts.


    Maidana, Guzman, Holt, and Ortiz, I would expect Khan to outpoint.



    Peterson, Alexander, and Bailey I have not seen enough times to make a reasonable comment on, but looking at their records and who they have fought against, I think I would favour Khan.



    So of the 15, he has beaten one, I reckon four would stop him, three would have varying chances of beating him, and the remaining seven he should beat. All imho of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Khan as always looks good in the attack but you still worry for the guy when the opponent goes after him. Kotlenik was the perfect foil for Khan he hardly threw a punch and most definitely is not top tier - but a good win non the less.

    Skysports are brutal as boxing - the commentators are a joke. Khan takes a love tap on the chin and according to them "he has answer the questions on his chin" :rolleyes:

    Skysports - boxing = vomit.

    Didn't see Enzo fighthing but saw a picture of his eye - WOW this guys career is in the ****ter. Big fan of Enzo but he has lost it since the Haye defeat.

    The Hall V Small fight was pretty good aswell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 888 ✭✭✭shamblertine


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Khan won, and he was well worth the win. There is no doubt on that, but the relentless hype and need to crown him as the best out there bugs me.

    Why shouldn't he be hyped? He's won an olympic medal and a world title at the age of 22. How many other prospects out there have those credentials?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Vintagekits


    Both
    Why shouldn't he be hyped? He's won an olympic medal and a world title at the age of 22. How many other prospects out there have those credentials?

    I'll tell ya why - because he has been cynically matched with blown up featherweights and slow vetern "legends" that Khan could keep away from.

    The only live boxing that he has faced was Prescott, who actually turned out to be quite limited - cant remember what happened in that fight.

    Now he will drop the WBA title instead of defending it against Maidana - cant think why because Kotelnik just beat Maidana so why wouldnt Khan! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Look, Khan will have to face real quality at some stage, he will!
    The Khan bashing here is a joke, he's 22 and has just beat
    a world champion, not the best by a stretch, but a guy who
    to date is his best opponent. He thorougly beat him and within
    18 months, Khan will either still be a world beater or he will have met quality. Till then, relax and enjoy the possible tasty fights that could materialise.

    Okay, who the hell would you guys like to see Khan face for his
    next three fights? What three men would satisfy you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Vintagekits


    Both
    walshb wrote: »
    Look, Khan will have to face real quality at some stage, he will!
    The Khan bashing here is a joke, he's 22 and has just beat
    a world champion, not the best by a stretch, but a guy who
    to date is his best opponent. He thorougly beat him and within
    18 months, Khan will either still be a world beater or he will have met quality. Till then, relax and enjoy the possible tasty fights that could materialise.

    Okay, who the hell would you guys like to see Khan face for his
    next three fights? What three men would satisfy you?

    easy wan B!

    at LWW

    Maidana
    Campbell
    Hatton

    at LW

    Murray
    Valero
    JMM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    I'd take any 3 from:
    Maidana
    Torres
    Holdt
    Alvarado
    Ortiz
    Bradley v Campbell winner
    Witter v Alexander winner
    Urango v Bailey winner

    or of course Pacquiao, hell if he was going to fight Pacquiao I wouldn't mind him fighting Eric Crumble twice first. But obviously you can't expect him to fight Pac.

    The other 8 however, if Khan wants to prove he really belongs in that top 10, they're the guys he's got to beat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big Ears wrote: »
    I'd take any 3 from:
    Maidana
    Torres
    Holdt
    Alvarado
    Ortiz
    Bradley v Campbell winner
    Witter v Alexander winner
    Urango v Bailey winner

    or of course Pacquiao, hell if he was going to fight Pacquiao I wouldn't mind him fighting Eric Crumble twice first. But obviously you can't expect him to fight Pac.

    The other 8 however, if Khan wants to prove he really belongs in that top 10, they're the guys he's got to beat.

    Indeed, an let's wait and see. That's all I was saying. Remember, Kotelnik was rated top 5 according to the Ring, wasn't he?

    So, Khan is 22 and I think he's done at 135 lbs and we should see him meet
    top ten names from here on in at 140 lbs.

    If he wants to hold onto the belt, he will be forced at some stage
    to meet these top names.

    BTW, he hasn't ruled out meeting Hatton, though Warren did sy it
    right when he siad that, "That wouldn't be good for boxing," and that "Hatton
    should retire."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Vintagekits


    Both
    walshb wrote: »
    Indeed, an let's wait and see. That's all I was saying. Remember, Kotelnik was rated top 5 according to the Ring, wasn't he?

    So, Khan is 22 and I think he's done at 135 lbs and we should see him meet
    top ten names from here on in at 140 lbs.

    If he wants to hold onto the belt, he will be forced at some stage
    to meet these top names.

    BTW, he hasn't ruled out meeting Hatton, though Warren did sy it
    right when he siad that, "That wouldn't be good for boxing," and that "Hatton
    should retire."

    the thing is he wont hold onto the belt because he would have to face Maidana.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the thing is he wont hold onto the belt because he would have to face Maidana.

    You seem to be know this for certain?

    How can you be sure. It's not even 24 hrs since the win. Is
    Maidana the mandatory opponent?

    This is what I mean, let's at least wait and see.
    Khan is a class fighter with vulnerabilities and he
    will be tested and either he will pass the test or he
    will be found out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    SKY PPV
    walshb wrote: »
    Indeed, an let's wait and see. That's all I was saying. Remember, Kotelnik was rated top 5 according to the Ring, wasn't he?

    So, Khan is 22 and I think he's done at 135 lbs and we should see him meet
    top ten names from here on in at 140 lbs.

    If he wants to hold onto the belt, he will be forced at some stage
    to meet these top names.

    BTW, he hasn't ruled out meeting Hatton, though Warren did sy it
    right when he siad that, "That wouldn't be good for boxing," and that "Hatton
    should retire."

    Kotelnik was #5 and he deserved that ranking too.
    But Kotelnik suited Khan perfectly style wise, that's not to take anything away from Amir. I didn't expect him to beat a fighter of that calibre no matter what style.

    His chin seems to have improved from the move up in weight, Roach has obviously strengthened his legs, probably his neck somewhat and of course being less dehydrated are all things which can improve punch resistance. His defence has improved ten fold and that's the one thing Khan needed most.

    One improvement which really impressed me was Khan's footwork, Khan's always had great footspeed but his footwork(despite a lot of people praising it) has been awful. He used to go in and out in straight lines. That made him so much easier to tag, and especially to counter.

    Now he uses his feet really well, lots of lateral movement and gets in and out real quick and darts away again, his awareness of where he is in the ring too is very good. He rarely gets trapped in a corner or on the ropes.
    Freddie also has thought him how to spoil correctly and when to spoil aswell, vital tools even if they seem a small thing.

    The thing with Khan's footwork however is he has to expend a lot more energy than his opponent. While his stamina is good, and he doesn't waste as many shots as he used, he probably covered twice the distance that Kotelnik did last night. That's probably why he was so tired in the 11th and 12th round and I'd be quite worried about those last two rounds if I were Freddie Roach.

    A bigger puncher certainly could of got to him in those rounds, because that's when Kotelnik was really getting through to body and head and at times Khan did stupid things like drop his hands and lean all the way back to avoid a punch. If he got caught like that he'd have met the canvas. There were other times during the fight where Khan made stupid little mistakes when Freddie needs to work on.

    One big problem for Kotelnik was that he was the one who had to come forward and try and force the fight. That's not his game at all, he's a counter puncher with a tight guard and defence. Offensively he's not a great fighter though and being forced to make the fight was awkward for him and he wasn't too sure how to go about his task.

    Most of the guys I mentioned know how to come forward, a guy like maidana it's all he'll want to do and although he and Kotelnik are similar in level Maidana is much better at coming forward and due to his power is a much tougher proposition for Khan. Maidana does have a dodgy defence though and he's shown he can struggle somewhat with speed and if there's one guy on my list I think Khan could knock out it's him. But it'd be an exciting great fight.

    However I've heard rumours already that Warren wants to drop the WBA belt before fighting Maidana and I could just imagine it now 'Khan's beat Kotelnik, Kotelnik beat Maidana, what's the point in the fight, it'd only be going backwads'.

    I'd like Hatton to have one more fight(one strongly in his favour) and get out of the sport with a win. I wouldn't recommend Hatton fighting on and hence I'm not putting him in the list.

    If Warren has Khan fighting Miguel Vasquez next though, I might just have to do a Terry Marsh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,368 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big, perfect assessment of Khan and I agree with every word on your breakdown of his performance. Major improvements and areas that are vulnerable. The stamina is top notch and anyone who has boxed will tell you that moving and punching is the hardest of all and takes serious legs
    and stamina.

    Maidan beat Ortiz recently who didn't look great and neither of them are a patch on Khan skill wise or boxing wise and if Khan boxes clever, he beats Maidan easily. Yes, the power is still an issue for Khan, but I saw real improvemnets and maturity and if he improves a bit on the inside, he will
    go even further.

    Saying everything, there was just something that was seriously lacking
    with Kotelnik and if that is what is considered a world beater, then boxing is suffering. The worlds best aint what they used to be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭Big Ears


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    walshb wrote: »
    Saying everything, there was just something that was seriously lacking
    with Kotelnik and if that is what is considered a world beater, then boxing is suffering. The worlds best aint what they used to be

    Kotelnik was made the look a lot worse that he is because Khan forced him into coming forward. He looks a much better fighter if he's allowed to fight on the back foot and counter.

    But you know yourself he's not a World beater. I said he deserved his rank, and he did for the results he's gotten. But in terms of how good a fighter is he's not really top 5 at the weight.

    Things Mightn't be what they used to be and it's a lot easier to call yourself a World Champion but how fantastic is the #1 at the weight ?

    Manny Pacquiao
    Ricky Hatton
    Tim Bradley
    Ricardo Torres
    kendall Holt
    Junior Witter
    Juan Diaz
    Nate Campbell
    Juan Urango
    Lamont Peterson
    Marcos Maidana
    Randall Bailey
    Paul Malignaggi
    Demetrius Hopkins
    Devon Alexander
    Victor Ortiz
    Mike Alvarado
    Paul McCloskey
    Herman Ngoudjo
    Sirimongkol Singwancha
    Ionat Dan Ion
    Denis Shafikov
    Victor Caya
    Cesar Cuenca
    Ajose Olusegun

    That's a list(in specific order) of the top guys in the division other than Khan and Kotelnik.
    I'd certainly see quite a lot of them beating Kotelnik and from that you can see it's a reasonably deep division.

    It's just when you've 6+ belts floating around it makes things seems a bit worse. Currently at this weight you have WBC(Witter v Alexander), WBO(Bradley), WBO interim(Peterson), WBA(Khan), WBA interim(Maidana), IBF(Urango), IBO and Ring(Pacquiao).

    I suppose you could say this division has a lot of good fighters but only one great fighter, and he mightn't even stay at the weight. It shows that there's opportunities for our own Paul McCloskey out there. He should be European champion come September.


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