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Building New PC - thoughts/suggestions
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13-07-2009 2:52pm#1
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CPU: Great
Mobo: Don't bother even thinking of OCing a Q9550 without a mobo thats worth a damn, and such a mobo would almost certainly be ATX. If you can live with the Q9550 at stock then think about a good G43 if you can get a good'un cheaper than that. Not much difference between the two, it's G41 that stinks. The Asus G43 might be better and cheaper. Very good sound as well IIRC (Realtek ALC1200!)
RAM: Whatever. Bear in mind PC6400 CL4 and PC8500 CL5 can also be had dead cheap as well.
GPU: Not so hot, 9500GT is probably sucky even with Source and to top it off that's a DDR2 variant to boot. Look out for cheap HD4650/70. They have Sound Over HDMI too
HDD: Fine, 1TB 7200RPM Hitachis are now floating around well under €65 though...
DVD: Fine
Case: Fail. Poor airflow, naff fan, cheap, nasty and the other issue is with a certain integrated component...
PSU: EPIC FAIL. HEC ain't the worst brand but they're not far off. A ~€30 450W Superflower sh!ts on it from such a height... etc. etc. And HECs are usually overrated. Even if its a new model with plenty on the 12V rail the comp will have it stressed to the limit (and maybe beyond...
). If its a dodgy old thing then I doubt your comp would start... and if it did it'd probably mess up your pricey CPU so bad you'd wish it didn't :mad:
Monitor: Not safe! Dell are known for off-brand monitors and the dreaded Bait'N'Switch... they send in top-of-the-range units for reviews then actually sell vastly inferior AOC/CHiMei crap for the same price instead! :eek: A monitor expert could give you a better idea but if you want to spend >60% of your budget on just the monitors I'd do a LOT of research beforehand!
You need to revise the case and PSU for sure, and those monitors might be dicey, it depends on if you actually get a genuine Dell (bear in mind a fake Dell is still endorsed by Dell, the [CENSORED]s!! :mad: ) Bear in mind that getting a cheap new-line Superflower and a solid CM330 Elite seperately will probably come to roughly the same amount while defecating all over that horrid setup (which I can't recommend for any quad-core-based build) you have above.0 -
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Sorry, for a sec I thought you were paying €288 for each monitor :rolleyes: €288 for two decent monitors isn't so bad.
You can upgrade the PSU to the 550W version for a bit more overhead, seeing as the price differece is a whopping €1
Case is grand, I prefer the CM330 but if you want a desktop instead then fair enough
One final issue - graphics card. That's the basic HD4650 lumbered with DDR2 memory. If you look on the next page you'll see the Sapphire version with fast GDDR3 memory.. for about €2 more. Believe me, its more than worth it! (hell, you can turn up the speed in Catalyst Control Centre and have a mini-HD4670) 0 -
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Yea, I wasn't really giving that much attention, and didn't notice that it was IDE. I assumed most things had gone SATA these days. :pac:
I changed it in a later revision of the build.
Oh man I made that exact mistake recently I doubt you would notice performance wise for a DVD drive, but cable management is a hell of alot more ugly . 0 -
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Ah I see. I think the lack of replies is more due to the fact it was just a pretty solid effort apart from the Mobo, I remember reading it and didn't have much to add in terms of suggestions to improve it given the budget 0 -
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I have robbed CPU Peter a little to pay motherboard paul and come up with this, however ultimately the 720BE is only 22E dearer so it may be worth just taking the plunge now. I think this would suit you fine and a good board leaves better opportunity for future upgrading of CPU etc. The 1GB HD4870 will be needed to play at very high settings in Full HD, if you settle for a smaller monitor the HD4850 will be just fine. All opnions welcome (The case in particular I am just taking a bit of a wild stab at around the 30E mark).
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Thanks for the setup! My components aren't really set in stone right now, because I was considering waiting until after Windows 7 / DirectX 11's release as I'd anticipate a wave of new hardware about that time.
I doubt that you will see many Direct X11 games in the next couple of years, so not much point waiting for DX11 cards I don't think. Most other core hardware progresses pretty much independently of OS releases to be honest. Anyway a few things to think about over there, good luck with whatever you decide to build.
EDIT: Actually one thing that might happen in the not too distant future is cheaper DDR3 RAM / AM3 Boards as they become more established.0 -
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Hijacked.
Operating Systems will be ubuntu and Win7.
Regarding thermal paste, AM3 use them suction cup thingys right, doing away with the need for it? Or do they?
EDIT: Okay, I know they're not called suction cups. Pads or summit....
Thought's please! 0 -
Sorry, you just gave me a great mental image there... Plastic suction cups are not a permissable solution for high-grade thermal transfer!
Yeah, the thermal pad on the stock cooler gives you a one-shot Get Out Of Jail Free card but if you install an aftermarket cooler that doesn't come with one, or need to re-install any cooler at any point in the future then you'll need some.
That's an odd wee build there... do you intend on gaming on it? If "Yes", then graphics card is too weak given the rest of the build. If "No", then graphics card is too strong given the rest of the build :P For <1080p, HD4850 is grand. For ~1080p you need a HD4870 1GB or GTX260 55nm at least and at >1080p we're talking HD4890, minimum. Monitor size is irrelevant, the nature of TFT monitors means its the native (i.e. maximum) resolution that matters! And if you're not gaming then even for >1080p a HD4350 should be grand
And what's up with the two DDR3 kits? You don't really need 8GB of RAM at that level of processing power!... do you?
Oh, and you do know you could save a tenner and get a decent 500GB HDD in the process, right?
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Re:heatsinkfan: CPU won't won't be clocked straight away. Sometime down the line it will. I'd consider getting an aftermarket one now if it would make a notcible difference in temps now, ie -10% min and would lower the noise level!
If not i'm also considering the P2 X4 (not the 955, the other one)BE from the get go.
Re: gfx: won't be gaming alot. Usually do some small time graphics/visual rendering and video editing, not enough to warrent a big ****off GPU. Need somethin that will be more than capable of taking the load off the CPU.
RAM: I don't mind spending the money on it now. I want to try it out, see how programs load etc. There will be multiple users logged on to this machine.
HDD: caught rapid
I did an ineany meany miney mo! I'll have a proper look at them tomorrow(on iPod ATM) I like those F1 drives actally.
Cheers solly0 -
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Unregistered. wrote:The cheek a you! Get off, this is my thread now!!!!!CPU won't won't be clocked straight away. Sometime down the line it will. I'd consider getting an aftermarket one now if it would make a notcible difference in temps now, ie -10% min and would lower the noise level!
Hmm... Not so sure - Intel can always be relied upon to give crappy stock HSFs, but AMD are much better about giving you a stock cooler that won't turn your shiny new CPU into The Towering Inferno Hell, on high-TDP models the stock coolers have friggin' heatpipes! :eek: Can't imagine Intel doing something like that.
But while a solid AMD cooler will negate the need for a €10 or even €20 CPU cooler, some cheap-ish models can give a lot of bang for your buck, so its unlikely you'll need to blow €60 on a decent cooler Xigmatek's large towers work well, and the S1283 is usually dirt-cheap (under €25) on HWVS and can be rigged for near-silent running via PWM (at which point it doesn't lose much cooling power at all funnily enough!) That'd give a big improvement over stock, plus if need be you could always rip off the Xiggy's fan and replace with quiet *cough*Scythe*cough* 120mm fan later if need be (very unlikely with a standard S1283 as the original has a relatively silent fan)If not i'm also considering the P2 X4 (not the 955, the other one)BE from the get go.
Not the 955... do you mean the 940?
Uh-oh
There's three different friggin' versions out at the moment! :eek:
X4-940BE: Black EditionNot AM3, I repeat, NOT AM3! 125W.
X4-940: Not Black Edition. OC must be done via FSB clock. AM3. 125W.
X4-940: Looks similar to the second, but is a newer stepping! AM3. Much more efficient, check the details carefully, as its only 95W.Re: gfx: won't be gaming alot. Usually do some small time graphics/visual rendering and video editing, not enough to warrent a big ****off GPU. Need somethin that will be more than capable of taking the load off the CPU.
Hmm... What software are you using? Aside from stuff that's rendered, codec'd or otherwise shifted onto the GPU do you use any software that gains any benefits from CUDA? If so a switch to the Green Team may yield dividends. Otherwise stick with ATi. And a 400W PSU will only really work for this build if you keep the CPU down to a 95W model, and the GPU up to HD4770 (i.e. below 55W). If you want to use a 125W CPU or a HD4850+ you'll need a 450W; if both you'll need a 550W or more.0 -
Hmm... Not so sure - Intel can always be relied upon to give crappy stock HSFs, but AMD are much better about giving you a stock cooler that won't turn your shiny new CPU into The Towering Inferno Hell, on high-TDP models the stock coolers have friggin' heatpipes! :eek: Can't imagine Intel doing something like that.
But while a solid AMD cooler will negate the need for a €10 or even €20 CPU cooler, some cheap-ish models can give a lot of bang for your buck, so its unlikely you'll need to blow €60 on a decent cooler Xigmatek's large towers work well, and the S1283 is usually dirt-cheap (under €25) on HWVS and can be rigged for near-silent running via PWM (at which point it doesn't lose much cooling power at all funnily enough!) That'd give a big improvement over stock, plus if need be you could always rip off the Xiggy's fan and replace with quiet *cough*Scythe*cough* 120mm fan later if need be (very unlikely with a standard S1283 as the original has a relatively silent fan)
Not the 955... do you mean the 940?
Uh-oh
There's three different friggin' versions out at the moment! :eek:
X4-940BE: Black EditionNot AM3, I repeat, NOT AM3! 125W.
X4-940: Not Black Edition. OC must be done via FSB clock. AM3. 125W.
X4-940: Looks similar to the second, but is a newer stepping! AM3. Much more efficient, check the details carefully, as its only 95W.
That's good to hear about the coolers. I'd consider it worthwhile if it'll be whisper quiet. That said, I will check the prices on komplett and OCUK; if there is only a few euros difference I will wait till the stock cooler goes in to hear for myself.
Re: X4; I think the P2 X4 945 is what i was on about. It has a TDP of 125, though it runs cooler than the X3BE. by ~10C. Hey solitaire, you're smart - why is that? Google is being unhelpful
aside: Looking at those new budget AM3's at the mo.Hmm... What software are you using? Aside from stuff that's rendered, codec'd or otherwise shifted onto the GPU do you use any software that gains any benefits from CUDA? If so a switch to the Green Team may yield dividends. Otherwise stick with ATi. And a 400W PSU will only really work for this build if you keep the CPU down to a 95W model, and the GPU up to HD4770 (i.e. below 55W). If you want to use a 125W CPU or a HD4850+ you'll need a 450W; if both you'll need a 550W or more.
I'd love a HD4470..... Want to keep the air temp inside the case as low as possible (hence the 4670 with the HIS exhaust-esque type fan) seeing as how I will more than likely have four RAM modules in there, granted, the ones I'm going for aren't going to be over-volted (every little helps).
Quick question..... Assume, for a moment, that we live in a world with a plentiful supply of RV740s....
How would a HIS 1GB 4670 fair against the XFX(the one withthe same type of fan) 512MG 4770? will there be much difference in temps and performance under load?
P.S. trying to avoid nVidia 0 -
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