Fedor **** Spoiler****

ginoginelli

So who takes it?

rovert

I was going to start a thread about this too but more on the lines of

"has Brock's victory last night changed your opinion on Brock's chances in a possible fight with Fedor."

As I personally dont think Brock can bet Fedor yet.

T-K-O

Fedor has all the experience and the guy is in his prime. I think he takes Lesnar out.

I also thought Frank would have beaten Lesnar, I'd really need to see the fight before I can make judgment on Lesnars improvement.

Size=everything

before tonight I would of said Fedor would beat Brock but now im not so sure. Mir has one of the best ground games in UFC and Lesnar just completely dominated him never once looking in trouble or even looking like he was breaking a sweat. Lesnar would take Fedor down and do the same. Lesnar is getting better every fight whilst Fedor is not and add to the fact that Fedor wouldn't be used to the octagon and you have a problem. Also am I only one who thought AA was beating Fedor before Fedor got extremely lucky and AA had a moment of lunacy

roo1981

I was just thinking this last night. This is now THE fight Dana White has to put together, it could be fight of the decade (money wise anyways). The only other one with the potential to match it is GSP\Silva, and I dont think that will happen for at least a year or so.

For Fedor\Lesnar, the potential to build this fight up is amazing. Two (now both) credible champions, two polar opposite personalities, with Fedor being the only man who has a legit claim on Lesnars credibility.

Lesnar's impressed me by being an absolute cock post fight-he kicked into full heel mode the minute he heard people booing, and is now a proven, legit champ. His smack talking and on mic antics are going to make Tito and Frank look like little bo peep and goldilocks, and like it or not, smack talk sells. MMA now has its Tyson, just watch the numbers this is going to draw into the sport.

Compare him to Fedor-complete antithis. Small, plump, humble Russian plumber. If he gets passed Barnett (Im hoping he'll scrape it but its his biggest test to date) he'll have shown he can handle a world class HW wrestler as well as having another ex UFC champions scalp. Its a goldmine for Dana White if he swallows his pride and breaks the bank to reel in Fedor. Or better still, lets the Ferittas do it and saves face.

Regarding the fight itself, I think Fedor will still be too much for Brock, but its a tough one to call after last night. Brock is improving immensly and after each fight is looking like a different fighter. Hopefully Fedor gets him before he improves too much

testing_times

Personally I think brock would beat fedor.
Not to take anything away from fedor, he has been very impressive over the past couple of years but I genuinely think the UFC is a different level - I think he would be shown up in the UFC heavyweight division.
Prob get slated for saying that but I dont think he really is levels above everybody else

shenanigans1982

I think this comes down to size difference....what weight does Fedor normally step into the ring at?

Because if Brock outweighs him by the 20+ pounds he outweighed Mir by last night then Brock takes it. Last night wasn't technical Brock just pretty much got on top of him pinned his arms down and punched him in the face. Fedor won't be able to avoid that if he is outweighed.

Fozzy

I wouldn't really favour either guy. Either could feasibly win it and I wouldn't mind what the outcome was, I like both fighters. Although I have to admit that I'd love to see the reaction to Lesnar beating the final saviour of all the internet posters who decry him :pac: I just love the way he gets them so mad

Nothingcompares

Fedor by KO round 1

Kazooie

Size=everything wrote: »

before tonight I would of said Fedor would beat Brock but now im not so sure. Mir has one of the best ground games in UFC and Lesnar just completely dominated him never once looking in trouble or even looking like he was breaking a sweat. Lesnar would take Fedor down and do the same. Lesnar is getting better every fight whilst Fedor is not and add to the fact that Fedor wouldn't be used to the octagon and you have a problem. Also am I only one who thought AA was beating Fedor before Fedor got extremely lucky and AA had a moment of lunacy

The Fedor AA fight has been well analysed on Sherdog. AA didn't land anything of note apart from some grazing hooks and the front kick before the KO. He was pushing the pace I'll grant you that but to say Fedor got lucky is a bit off!

I wouldn't bet my money on Fedor in a fight against Lesnar either. Pains me to say it that too.

MonkeyBalls

Brock is no joke.

Still, it's Fedor.

He would patiently wait for Lesnar to make a mistake, and he would capitalise on it.

testing_times

Wait for brock to make a mistake - mmm I think thats what Mir tried to do last night and ran out of time.
Sure Brock is new to the sport and only has an ounce of the technical ability of most fighters but he is that much bigger that he doesn't need the technical side just yet.
Brock to over power fedor - easy.
Carwin & Cain are the only two out there that could possibly pose a threat purely based on size alone.
I dont want to see the HW division become a spectacle of size rules, boxing went through that phase and it got boring, quick.

No please don't throw Cain Velasquez into the ring with Brock any time soon, I love CV, he's my future favorite and Brock would hand his ass to him. However, by the time CV is 28 - 30, he will be a heavyweight champion in my opnion.

mailburner

Kazooie wrote: »

The Fedor AA fight has been well analysed on Sherdog. AA didn't land anything of note apart from some grazing hooks and the front kick before the KO. He was pushing the pace I'll grant you that but to say Fedor got lucky is a bit off!

I wouldn't bet my money on Fedor in a fight against Lesnar either. Pains me to say it that too.

dunno
AA got caught as usual and if he didnt have
a weak chin i think he might have beaten fedor
it wasnt so long ago AA was nearly unbeatable
in the ufc sadly
fedor/lesnar i think would be the same as
mir/lesnar sadly
i just don't think fedor has the tools to
stop someone of lesnars stature but then
again who has?
cain velasquez isn't ready yet
neither is shane carwin
id love so see kongo take him on but
again once kongo is on his back it's game over
its a shame really as i was sure it was only a
matter of time before he was hw champ until
that loss by heath where he sat on him for
the enitire third round but that was when
silvia had the belt of course

rovert

What did everyone think of Brock's and Fedor's respective performances against Heath Herring?

Sammy83

Would love to see Dana White get Overeem in soon.

Not sure how many fights he has left with Strikeforce, but he'll be an interesting addition to the UFC HW division.

chopperbyrne

Sammy83 wrote: »

Would love to see Dana White get Overeem in soon.

Not sure how many fights he has left with Strikeforce, but he'll be an interesting addition to the UFC HW division.

Would he leave Strikeforce while he's their champion though?

Nothingcompares

rovert wrote: »

What did everyone think of Brock's and Fedor's respective performances against Heath Herring?

6 years is a long time in MMA

CZ 453

Fedor would take his arm off and put it on his mantle piece.....While i respect Brock after most recent fights Fedor has proven he can adapt to any fighter.All his fights show him adapting to opponent.Lets be fair as well and say that brock holds a game plan that is the same as his 1st mma fight.That makes him predictable.However it is effective at the moment in the UFC......It would be the biggest fight ever in mma if they fought.We can always dream:D

Sammy83

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Would he leave Strikeforce while he's their champion though?

I'd say so. Considering that he won the Belt nearly two years ago and is defending it for the first time next month.

I guess it all comes down to the €€€.

shenanigans1982

shezer wrote: »

It would be the biggest fight ever in mma if they fought.We can always dream:D

For hardcore fans it might be but for the casual UFC fan no. Most of them have no idea who Fedor is and Dana/Zuffa would have to really push him to get fans interested.

ginoginelli

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

For hardcore fans it might be but for the casual UFC fan no. Most of them have no idea who Fedor is and Dana/Zuffa would have to really push him to get fans interested.

Wrong.

Fedor is already very well known. Fedor has been featured on the front pages of both ESPN and Yahoo numerous times. Fox have run a documentary on him and he was featured in time magazine this month.. Its no longer a case of just the hardcore fans knowing who he is..

With the right kind of promotion Fedor/Lesnar as the potential to be the biggest ufc ppv history.

It all falls down to Brocks training and determination. And at the risk of being flamed I would say Fedor isn't as good as people make him out to be. I think Brock could take him fairly easily,Just look at the way he left Mir's face.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Fozzy wrote: »

I wouldn't really favour either guy. Either could feasibly win it and I wouldn't mind what the outcome was, I like both fighters. Although I have to admit that I'd love to see the reaction to Lesnar beating the final saviour of all the internet posters who decry him :pac: I just love the way he gets them so mad

In fairness there's internet posters who're mad for Lesnar as well as people who hate the guy.

I've no idea who'll win but another free Setanta jobbie and I'll be happy as :pac:

Zero-Cool

Deleted User wrote: »

It all falls down to Brocks training and determination. And at the risk of being flamed I would say Fedor isn't as good as people make him out to be. I think Brock could take him fairly easily,Just look at the way he left Mir's face.

Wont flame ya haha, but I it would not be an easy fight for Brock, he won't be able to just lie on top of him throwing hammerfist.

If the two were fighting, I'd nearly put down a bet that Fedor would choke him out, just because he can and no one else could!! :eek:

Dana was funny at the post fight press conference certain he would be signing Fedor and Brock would be first fight. I'd say Fedor is just laughing at him, he doesn't have to prove a thing and dana wants him so bad

MonkeyBalls

Just a reminder, folks:

Fedor: 30-0
Brock: 4-1

Fozzy

Alan Rouge wrote: »

In fairness there's internet posters who're mad for Lesnar as well as people who hate the guy.

Yeah, but I think there's a bigger reaction from his haters when he wins than there is from his fans when he loses

What is there for Fedor once he's finished with Affliction? I think that Dana's going to convince him that he needs to be in the UFC

shenanigans1982

ginoginelli wrote: »

Wrong.
Its no longer a case of just the hardcore fans knowing who he is..

Wrong.

I guarantee most casual UFC fans/ppv buyers wouldn't know who the fighters on the undercard were...never mind a guy who has only fought in other promotions. If the fight does go ahead and does a significant buy rate it will be mainly attributed to Lesnar.

T-K-O

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Wrong.

I guarantee most casual UFC fans/ppv buyers wouldn't know who the fighters on the undercard were...never mind a guy who has only fought in other promotions. If the fight does go ahead and does a significant buy rate it will be mainly attributed to Lesnar.

Don't but into the UFC hype machine. Any dude with more than a passing interest will comes across the name of Fedor Emelianenko.

Make no mistake if they fought Fedor will no doubt take top billing in all but the title around his waist.

Fozzy

T-K-O wrote: »

Don't but into the UFC hype machine. Any dude with more than a passing interest will comes across the name of Fedor Emelianenko.

Make no mistake if they fought Fedor will no doubt take top billing in all but the title around his waist.

Why would Fedor take top billing over the biggest PPV draw in the world?

T-K-O

Fozzy wrote: »

Why would Fedor take top billing over the biggest PPV draw in the world?

If he signed with the UFC he obviously would not take top billing as he is the challenger -once he takes the title all bets are off.

chopperbyrne

I wonder would they let him carry his WAMMA title to the ring and make a big deal of him being WAMMA Champion.

rovert

chopperbyrne wrote: »

I wonder would they let him carry his WAMMA title to the ring and make a big deal of him being WAMMA Champion.

Interesting question and something I havent seen brought up. I dont it but Id bet Joe Rogan find a way to mention it.

chopperbyrne

rovert wrote: »

Interesting question and something I havent seen brought up. I dont it but Id bet Joe Rogan find a way to mention it.

The easiest way to get him over with casual fans would be to make a big deal of him being a current champion, much like WBO and IBF title vs title fights.

I reckon he'd have that strap on his shoulder at the first press conference, saying that he's the real champ. (Ric Flair in 1991 style)

Instant hype.

Stevie8

Would love to see lesnar and fedor, reckon fedor would take it though,he has fought bigger than lesnar plenty of times.
Another good fight would be lesnar and carwin, that dude rarley lets the fight last the first round, would be a real test to lesnars chin

Jaysoose

Deleted User wrote: »

It all falls down to Brocks training and determination. And at the risk of being flamed I would say Fedor isn't as good as people make him out to be. I think Brock could take him fairly easily,Just look at the way he left Mir's face.

Based on what exactly?

Brock beat up an above average heavy in Mir... nothing more, if fedor and brock are put in together brock will get beaten one way or another.

Leixlip_Red

I'm fairly new to the sport and I would concider Fedor to be a much bigger draw than Brock. I would have to side with Fedor if they were to fight (and hopefully it happens). The record speaks for itself 30-0

rovert

Leixlip_Red wrote: »

I'm fairly new to the sport and I would concider Fedor to be a much bigger draw than Brock.

No he isnt Brock is 10 to 15 times the draw is on Pay Per View yes Brock has the UFC brand name, advertising budget and the undercard support. Brock is a cross over star and Fedor is primarily known just by hardcores.

AlphaMale 3OO

rovert wrote: »

No he isnt Brock is 10 to 15 times the draw is on Pay Per View yes Brock has the UFC brand name, advertising budget and the undercard support. Brock is a cross over star and Fedor is primarily known just by hardcores.

It's like Hogan and Flair in the 80's!

rovert

AlphaMale 3OO wrote: »

It's like Hogan and Flair in the 80's!

Not really that had to do with regional and national appeal.

AlphaMale 3OO

rovert wrote: »

Not really that had to do with regional and national appeal.

Tongue in cheek man!

Wacker

I don't think Lesnar is ready for him just yet, but he's not too far behind right now. Also, I think he'll be ready within just a few fights. His rate of improvement is scary; he exposed himself to no danger at all the whole time he was on the ground with Mir (almost the whole fight), and that is no mean feat against a BJJ black belt. His chin has finally been tested too, and it passed. Okay, Mir and Couture's punches aren't the nightmare inducing sort that Fedor's are, but they're nothing to sneeze at either.

I wish Fedor luck against Barnett, and hopefully he'll then come to the UFC and have one prelim fight before locking horns with Lesnar, who'll hopefully still have the belt after whoever is next, be it Carwin, Velásquez or Nogueira. We'll then have a fight for the ages.

calex71

Fedor spoke on this very subject on an interview with Bas Routen on InsideMMA last week well worth tracking down

"yeah that interests me a lot, id definitely be interested"

when ased about move to the UFC he said the terms and the way they were offered were unacceptable today.


Edit for anyone who saw it lmao @ ken shamrock

rovert

calex71 wrote: »

Fedor spoke on this very subject on an interview with Bas Routen on InsideMMA last week well worth tracking down

"yeah that interests me a lot, id definitely be interested"

when ased about move to the UFC he said the terms and the way they were offered were unacceptable today.


Edit for anyone who saw it lmao @ ken shamrock

I really enjoyed that episode too. Bas was so nervous interviewing him.

On Fedor here is a link to the Fedor doc Baddest Man on the Planet:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2320831241594429038&ei=Oj1dSpzdFIq6qQKQuO0b&q=fedor&hl=en&dur=3

Must watch

calex71

rovert wrote: »

I really enjoyed that episode too. Bas was so nervous interviewing him.

On Fedor here is a link to the Fedor doc Baddest Man on the Planet:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2320831241594429038&ei=Oj1dSpzdFIq6qQKQuO0b&q=fedor&hl=en&dur=3

Must watch

I dont blame him fedor did that interview with the same look as when he fights

There was something also in that show about Fedor doing an exhibition with Gegard Mousasi at an M1 event, i know they've trained together so probably a given

rovert

Even Affliction are hyping this fight over Josh Barnett and THIER OWN SHOW:

FEDOR Steals Glory

from Latest Heavyweight Villain



SEAL BEACH, California (July 15, 2009) — Even in promotions he doesn’t fight for, Fedor is the star. In the wake of Brock Lesnar’s current heavyweight win, Fedor Emelianenko is the talk of the town. Leave it to Fedor to steal another man’s fire without ever uttering a word. Lesnar’s bad behavior at his recent victory has his name appearing in all kinds of sports and mainstream media venues. But much of the attention gets instantly shifted away from his WWE-style antics to a potential match-up between him and the wildly acknowledged heavyweight champion of the world—Fedor “The Last Emperor” Emelianenko.



It seems that Lesnar is being cast as the MMA villain du jour. And since every villain needs a hero, media and fans alike seem to prefer Fedor as the man for the job. Instead of celebrating Lesnar’s victory or simply descrying his after-fight performance, many are looking for vengeance. And the one to provide his medicine, they have decided is the world’s ultimate heavyweight champ—Fedor. Disgruntled fans angry at his unsportsmanlike behavior think Fedor would teach Lesnar a painful lesson. Fedor’s name has appeared in every article written about the recent match, and in editorials and chatrooms around the world. If this should be a time for Lesnar to bask in his notoriety, it seems that all the attention is going to The Last Emperor. It’s as if Lesnar handed his victory over to the WAMMA Heavyweight Champion on a platter. Everyone, everywhere is talking about Fedor.



Comparisons abound between the two fighters, there’s even a poll asking who would win a bout between Fedor and the bulky Lesnar, with Fedor in the lead. Fedor’s technical superiority is measured against Lesnar’s heft. And the Russian fighter’s cool, collected, and always respectful demeanor stand in contrast to the outburst by Lesnar after his last bout.



Ironically, at one time, the competition rejected claims of Fedor’s dominance in the ring. But now even they have abandoned their claims and openly recognized Fedor’s insurmountable skills. In fact, the competition is being judged by its potential to upset the WAMMA Champ who now fights for Affliction M-1 Global. They couldn’t ignore the facts or the fans any longer. Before Lesnar’s match, an Internet campaign was started to get fans to chant Fedor Emelianenko's name during the fight. The chanting never materialized. But the enthusiasm for Fedor is impossible to disregard.



And the excitement is swelling as all prepare for Fedor’s August 1st battle against “The Babyfaced Assassin,” Josh Barnett, at Affliction M-1 Global’s “Trilogy.” All eyes—including a mass of newly anointed Fedor fans—will be on the ring when the number one and two ranked heavyweight fighters of the world meet to establish who is the best in the world. And whoever wins that match will rein supreme, as the legitimate world heavyweight champion and the most exciting heavyweight in MMA.



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Mark Hamill

Wacker wrote: »

I don't think Lesnar is ready for him just yet, but he's not too far behind right now. Also, I think he'll be ready within just a few fights. His rate of improvement is scary; he exposed himself to no danger at all the whole time he was on the ground with Mir (almost the whole fight), and that is no mean feat against a BJJ black belt.

The only difference I saw between Lesnars performance at the weekend and the first time he fought Mir is that at the weekend he didn't get excited when he took Mir down and start throwing retarded little punches from the top of half guard. He stayed calm and waited till he got a properly dominant position before throwing the majority of his shots. Now while this is a good improvement, I didn't really see anything major leaps and bounds anywhere else in his game all he did was use his bulk to hold Mir down and lets face it, Mir did f-all from his back in that fight, not once in the first round did he try to regain full guard and he tried no hip movement in the whole fight.
In the fight, Mir reminded me of one of those big heavyweights who fight at low level sub tournaments, on of those guys who is used to weighing everyone else down in the club and then is totally lost when put on his own back and cant power his opponent out of it.

Wacker

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The only difference I saw between Lesnars performance at the weekend and the first time he fought Mir is that at the weekend he didn't get excited when he took Mir down and start throwing retarded little punches from the top of half guard. He stayed calm and waited till he got a properly dominant position before throwing the majority of his shots. Now while this is a good improvement, I didn't really see anything major leaps and bounds anywhere else in his game all he did was use his bulk to hold Mir down and lets face it, Mir did f-all from his back in that fight, not once in the first round did he try to regain full guard and he tried no hip movement in the whole fight.

I think that's kind of my point: before Sunday morning I never knew that half-guard even was a dominant position! I thought half-guard was little more than half-way to mount. Lesnar clearly had a game plan - get into half-guard, get the headlock in, and smash Mir's face apart. This plan was conceived perfectly for Lesnar's physique and skill-set, and well executed. Would a smaller guy have managed using the very same tactics? I doubt it, but that should not take away from it. If all a fighter needed was size and strength, then Hong Man Choi and Bob Sapp would be unstoppable.

In the fight, Mir reminded me of one of those big heavyweights who fight at low level sub tournaments, on of those guys who is used to weighing everyone else down in the club and then is totally lost when put on his own back and cant power his opponent out of it.

I do agree with this though. Mir totally underestimated Lesnar, and overestimated himself. He seemed prepared to take all that punishment, based on the assumption that an opportunity would drop into his lap. That was not a smart decision; he might have got something on Lesnar if he really worked for it. But I guess we'll never know.

Size=everything

Didn't Mir say he was expecting Lesnar to stand up as Mir had been slating his stand up fighting ability and Mir thought Brock would want to prove a point??

Absolutely stupid on Mir's part to expect a world class wrestler of 20 years to keep it standing.

rovert

Taken from Thumped:




Love the contrast

chopperbyrne

If Fedor does got to UFC, would it be his first fight in a cage rather than a traditional ring?

Can't remember ever having seen him in a cage.