SFIV Round 3 Tournament - Registration

Leprekaun

Here are the details for the tournament:

Date: Saturday 18th of July

Time: 3 PM (meeting at 2 PM though)

Format: Tournament (Double Elimination)

Fee: €5 / €10 (€10 if people vote yes for prize pot)

Consoles: 4 consoles (3 tournament / 1 casuals) This may change according to the numbers

Hey lads! Seeing as this is a tournament this time round, it'll have to a little more organised. So, if you're interested, please reply in this thread. Thanks.

I've provided additional info on who uses who. I wouldn't know some of the guys so wouldn't know who they use.

Players:

1. Leprekaun
/ Ryu
2. Azza
/ M.Bison
3. K.O.Kiki /
Edmund Honda
4. Dreddybajs
/ Zangief
5. Bush
/ Blanka
6. A-Trak
7. Kirby
/ Dhalsim
8. Owwmykneecap / Master Bison? / Vega?
9. TheWitch06 / Crimson Viper
10. Mr_Kyle
11. CodeMonkey / Gouken?
12. Sagat06
13. Blag / Master Bison
14. FoamyMushroom / Akuma
15. Retr0gamer
16. L31mr0d / Akuma
17. Xinkai / Ryu
18. Reanimemmett
19. DarkTalant
20. Andy
21. BanjoB
22. Dan
23. Mike
24. Simon
25. DK
26. Robbie
27. Chris
28. Kev

Azza

Might be an idea to have a date for this Tournament and its actually round 4 but I'll forgive you for that being from Donegal an all!

K.O.Kiki

I'm in.

Dreddybajs

yep, I'm in

bush

Put me down too

A-Trak

I'm in dependant on date.

(Oh and I see you changed your sig Leprkaun, you folded to Azza and his cheap psycho power tactics;))

Leprekaun

Added date.

Kirby

I'm in!

And your both wrong......its actually the first tourney because its the first one I'm in......which is all that counts

Azza

Reading on Neo Empire there seems to be some interest from the Northern fighting gaming community coming down to this.

The first and I think the second time they came down they got drawn against each in the opening rounds which was abit scuttery as they normally play together up north and they didn't get to play to many of the locals. It should be seeded it so that they don't meet each other in the opening rounds if several are coming from such a considerable distance.

After the event is over we can use that to draw up a proper seeding table.

Also is everyone okay with throwing €10 into the pot to enter the competition. Would you prefer more or less.

I reckon €10 is the best bet as its not too much and the larger cash prize over say a competition with an entry fee of €5 euro would help motivate those futher a field to attend.

Also what will be the prize allocation. Will have prizes for just first and second our will we divide between the top 3?

At that what is the preferred pecentage for splitting as well?

A-Trak

As this is a 'Non Profit,' tourney, i.e. run by us and not a business looking to make a few quid over and above what they pay out in prize money, I'd suggest a few changes from the previous XGC tourneys.

- Prize Money / Brackets
Whilst we're all there to improve our game and to have fun, ultimately in a tourney we're handing over cold hard cash in an ambition to win more of it.
As it will be a smallish tourney, I'd be in favour of a tiered cash payout.

The double bracket tournament makes sense, both in fairness and as we can't seed this one.
I'd suggest a graded payout. The overall winner taking the majority of cash. Podium winners in both the winners and losers brackets should pick up a few quid each as well.

Taking Azza's suggested tiers here: there would only be three or four players in with a chance of winning a top podium finish.

Otherwise you'd be paying for a prize entrance which you've no chance of winning, as well as a tourny entrance of console rental etc too.

Once we have a confirmed amount of players, and a suggested tourney fee along with console costs, this shouldn't be too hard too put figures too....

Basic Tourney Entrance (€x)
Tourney total = €X
Losers Bracket Podium (1st= €x%, 2nd=€x%)
Winners Bracker Podium (1st= €x%, 2nd=€x%

As we can do it all ourselves, all totals can be agreed before the tourney and the cost cover would be minimal, cost of consoles max.

Minimum prize would be covering your entry cost no matter your skill. This is all achievable. Max prize would be at the very least costs plus big beer money/travel money.

I've no probs doing the odds and pay ins and outs once we have numbers. ( and can even do a worse case scenario.)

We've done the casual s, Azzas done a rough tier list. Everyone has a rough idea where they'd rank in this tourney - I'd like to make sure everyones at least in with a chance of winning back their cover charge, and the winner alos having a bankroll.

Also burdocks on the winner - thats a given.

Thoughts?

Azza

I'm confused.
Doesn't the winner of the loosers bracket have to play the winner of the winners bracket in the grand final. Would the system you suggest not lead to the potential of some people getting two different prize spots? Like the winner winning the winners bracket then winning the grand final.Or the player who looses the winners bracket then gets bumped down to the loosers bracket and then proceeds to go on win the loosers bracket final and then wins the grand final beating the player who won the the winners bracket final and thus gain revenge!:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

I removed the puncuation on purpose to stress the point I'm confused!

Leprekaun

Woah! A lot of ideas there lads.

I'm not sure if we should go for a prize pot. Its cool and all but kind of over complicates things a bit. Also, I know everyone knows each other but it would just add a bit more tension to it.

I'll make a poll to see the interest anyway.

Also, if its alright lads, can we move the discussion to the discussion thread. Cheers

Leprekaun

Hey lads! There has been some talk about having a prize pot for the tournament so I thought of setting up a poll to see the interest.

K.O.Kiki

I vote yes.
Even if it's small, it gives people something to play for other than sheer pride

...yeah, my Honda's not gonna win though...

Azza

Actually it would be better for the forum if we kept everything in one thread. We have about 3 or 4 threads discussing the next meet up. So its just filling the forum with info on what should be in one thread. I've already asked weather people are in favour or not or a prize pot in this thread which is the same thing as a poll.

Azza

Yes I'm certainly in favor of a prize pot.

I think it help motivate people from futher a field to travel.

Also it adds that extra bit of spice to proccedings. You take it that bit more serious. Gets the heart pumping when your down to the last sliver of health.

I like the idea of casual events but I believe we need to aim for something at the same time. Casuals on there own is fine and all but I look at them as training for competitions. A tournament without some sort of prize really is just another casual event rebadged in my opinion, you just don't put in the same effort. Not that I take them too seriously either :rolleyes: (goes back to 24 training session with theme of Rocky playing)

Dreddybajs

Yep, small registration fee seems to be what people what.

Kirby

im probably in the minority, but I vote no.

People don't play for money, they play for the thrill. For the bragging rights. Money, wont make anyone play "harder". And money does strange things to people attitude wise. I'd prefer to keep the laid back attitude we have. Just for fun and competition thing.

I mean, if a tourney is free you are more likely to get more people. Its clear there is a skill gulf between people here and its not fair to ask somebody to pay for something they have no chance of winning..... therefore the weaker players wont show up, and you will get less people.

I dunno, maybe the winner goes free or something. He doesn't have to pay his fiver as a reward. But i'm wary of cash prizes and stuff. I don't want to risk arguements and stuff.

Most people probly want the DeNiro tho so ill probably get outvoted

Leprekaun

Yeah, I was also thinking the same. It just creates a strange atmosphere. Azza, I know you mentioned about making it more tasteful for those who are far but remember that Donegal fella? He's a bloody maniac. Traveling four hours for a few hours of SF? He must be mad :P

I mean, the idea is for all of us to enjoy it and not lure a few people for the cash prize and upset others who would prefer it if there weren't any cash prizes. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not pushed about €5 or €10 but as Kirby mentioned, there'll be far less people going if there is a cash prize because they just know they're not good enough to win and would feel that they'd be just wasting their €5 as they know they won't see it back.

I mean, you could see it in the official XGC tournaments. The first one had a turnout of 20+ people and the second was something like 12-16. Just have to appreciate that a lot of people aren't going there to win (although I strongly oppose this way of thinking ) and just going to have a proper SFIV session.

Dreddybajs

Which is why we have both casuals and tournaments?

Maybe just setting up ranking battles to go along with the casual meetups might be to more people's tastes though. But really if you don't have any entry fee there's no point having a tournament imo.

Sabre0001

Leprekaun wrote: »

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not pushed about €5 or €10 but as Kirby mentioned, there'll be far less people going if there is a cash prize because they just know they're not good enough to win and would feel that they'd be just wasting their €5 as they know they won't see it back.

This is an attitude that bothers me (and it's not levelled at ye because ye seem to enjoy the game most importantly and have a high skill level). People get put off when competition with a reward at the end is produced...Yet everyone is competitive by nature and wants to win. Even professional sports stars can enjoy themselves with all the pressure but yet the average gamer suddenly turns away because there is €5 on the line. Think of it - who goes to an event to lose? Many go thinking they are likely to lose but will still try to enjoy themselves...So why should they be put off?

I'm sorry about the little rant but it is something that bothers me. You have have eliter-than-thou players present but at this stage, people know who the social bunch are too // the people who can mix business with pleasure so to speak.

I'm not a high skilled gamer (outside of SF too) and yet I have gone to competitions and still enjoyed it. And "oh noes, I left without my €5"....."oh well".

Owwmykneecap

too many man too many man, too many threads too many threads.

Also I'm in.

Also also we need to sort out the character problems. even if it ment chipping in and buying a couple of memory cards.

bush

I voted ye, a tenner isnt going to kill anyone and i doubt anyone is going to get rowdy over it. Anytime were drinking in the house we play everything for money, even buzz on ps3. Makes it more interesting. We play pes, i hate that game and im **** at it but ill still throw a fiver in and loose in the first match. I know were in a recession but come on.

Kirby

I agree with you. I bet with my mates all the time about a whole bunch of things. I bet on the grand national every year for the craic with nearly a zero chance of winning. it makes it more fun.

But the fact is, my feelings arent everyone's. I garuntee you the turnout will be bigger with a free tourney. It might be "sad", but thats the way things are.

A-Trak

I'll bring along a card with all unlocked except Seth. And anyone who uses him is a gaylord anyway.

Agree with the loads of threads diluting the topic as well.

Azza

I don't think a free tourney would attract any more players. Its the sort of thing that would attract more locals but chances are most of the locals who would go are already going.

Infact I could say the reason we had the biggest turnout for our first event was because it had the largest prize. The smaller events had smaller prizes. But I don't think this is true either. I think the recent declining numbers are due to the fact that the XGC has some contact information for players that don't post on boards.ie. Will need to get this info off them so we can inform these players of our events as well.

The fact is I think most people would like a tournament as something to work towards, to keep the excitment going, if we play nothing but casuals interest will eventually die off, its just the same thing over and over. But at the same time I do think that casuals play there part too and thats why the majority of events should be casual. I think a system of 2 casual events to 1 tournament is a good system that caters to both crowds.

I also don't think a cash prize makes for a strange atmosphere. I have not noticed it anyway. Can't imagine anyone smashing up the place in a hissy fit.

Leprekaun

Removed: Added details to first post.

Kirby

Azza wrote: »

I don't think a free tourney would attract any more players. Its the sort of thing that would attract more locals but chances are most of the locals who would go are already going.

Infact I could say the reason we had the biggest turnout for our first event was because it had the largest prize. The smaller events had smaller prizes. But I don't think this is true either. I think the recent declining numbers are due to the fact that the XGC has some contact information for players that don't post on boards.ie. Will need to get this info off them so we can inform these players of our events as well.

The fact is I think most people would like a tournament as something to work towards, to keep the excitment going, if we play nothing but casuals interest will eventually die off, its just the same thing over and over. But at the same time I do think that casuals play there part too and thats why the majority of events should be casual. I think a system of 2 casual events to 1 tournament is a good system that caters to both crowds.

I also don't think a cash prize makes for a strange atmosphere. I have not noticed it anyway. Can't imagine anyone smashing up the place in a hissy fit.

Nobody is saying casual only, everybody wants tourneys. Some of us just think free tourneys will attract more people, thats all.

Bragging rights are all that matters anyway

L31mr0d

hmm... I'll probably be going but won't be entering the tournament, i'll stick to the casuals. Perhaps you could have a second free tournament running alongside the paid for one for the greenhorns?

Like Kirby said, there is a gulf dividing the experience levels, it's like mixing featherweights with heavyweights and expecting the featherweights to pay for the pleasure of being beaten.

But, I can understand it has to be kept interesting for those experienced with the game, so maybe run a second tournament alongside the paid for one for those that are there mainly for the practice and not to win some money?

Leprekaun

Well, the plan is to have 4 consoles. If there is to be a second tournament running alongside, the total cost of the rental would have to double as there'd have to be more consoles rented so you may as well just join the main one.

Something which could be done is have the cost of rent split between those playing in the tournament and those just going for casuals or free tournament. So, for example, if there are a total of 16 players, 8 for the main tournament and 8 for the free tournament/casuals and 8 consoles, then just divide the cost of each tournament among 8 players.

Just leave it the poll . Its not a sure thing that it'll be a prized event.

Kirby

Well, i'll go with the majority. I don't mind doing a money tourney if thats what most people want. So, ill be joing it either way. I was just concerned for some of the less experienced players being scared off.

And lee, you should play it in anyway. Every tourney needs an Akuma.

Azza

Heavyweight and featherweight is a class thing.

We are actually are in the same class just not at the same skill level. No one is at a physical dis-advantage just some have more experience due to wanting or being able to put more time into the game.

We could run a second free tournament alongside the main one but it might only end up with 3-4 people playing in which wouldn't make for that great a tournament. Besides is it really worth anything to win a tournament with so low numbers when all the other so called better players are not. You won't improve if your not playing better players.

At the same time it would also dilute the primary competition. Even though some may regard themsleves as low skilled even there absence distracts from winning the event.

Perhaps if there is only 1 or 2 people who don't want to pay to enter the comeptition we can allow them enter but exclude them from the pot prize, if they happen to make it to prize places.

Perhaps a league format would be better. Where at every second event everyone chucks in say €5.00 into the kittie and plays each other once. We then award 3 points for a win and 1 for a close defeat. After maybe 4 of these event we pool the prize money together and award the top 3 points finisher with a proportional share of the kittie.

I don't want to dictate anything to anyone, so throw some suggestions out there people. See what the popular consensus is.

TheWitch06

I'm gonna play, yay. I'll bring BlazBlue along too.

Leprekaun

Something I'd like to mention though, I'll only be able to manage one tournament so someone else will have to manage the other one. Also, it can't be a sure thing that there'll be an alternate one for the obvious reason of number of players interested in an alternate one.

Leprekaun

Btw, can everyone who voted please state their vote. There are 12 votes but only 9 registered players so there are 3 rogue voters out there. Show yourselves! :P

Dreddybajs

I voted yes

Azza

You can add Mr_Kyle to the list. He's coming down for sure. Hes's hoping to get three or more form the north to travel down with him but no in that group is confirmed yet bar himself.

I voted yes and so did The Witch and Ko.KiKi for sure .

A-Trak

I voted yes as well.

CodeMonkey

Oh yeah I voted but haven't put my hand up yet. Put me down for the tourney

Sagat06

Stick me down for the tourney... I voted yes! but yes or no doesnt bother me all I want is your respect :P

Retr0gamer

Put me down for the tournament. I also vote yes because I'm dumb with my monye

bush

Azza wrote: »

Can't imagine anyone smashing up the place in a hissy fit.

My fight Moneeeeeeeeeeeeey!!! Argh

L31mr0d

Only reason I think it shouldn't be paid for is from past experience. I'm also fairly big into chess and used to play it regularly with a few mates. But we started putting money on it to "make it interesting" and where we started with a quite a few people entering, after a few weeks it was just the few of us who would win with the guys always getting knocked out early not bothering to show up any more. Whereas before it was good craic, with people drinking beer and chatting, it quickly turned overly serious, with people getting angry even if you whispered while they where playing and nobody bothering to touch alcohol to keep their concentration.

It ruined it tbh. Anyway I'm in the minority here so I'll shut up now

blag

I've just voted yes for a prize pot.

I'm not 100% certain if I'm going to be able to go yet but a tourney should be fun and to be honest it's more of an incentive for us who have to travel from the north(or Donegal,Westmeath etc..) to go.

Now,time to start training,I definately need a montage...

Azza

L31mr0d I can't belive you where a big enough A-hole to whisper in a chess match! you lack class man
Next thing you will be questing Telgere's orders in L4D!

There will be still casual play of course and depending on what people want we can revert back to casual events for the next 2 meet ups.

I know several other people have expressed an interest in coming along to spectate or play casuals.

Kinetic is another boards mod, current manager of the WCG Irish team, founder of A New Hope Lan and ex pro gamer. He's expressed interest in popping round to spectate and just to check out the scene (doesn't actually play the game yet)
Even said he would pay to spectate, think we should fleece him and charge him €10 euro to watch each game.

After that KoHd said he might be down to discuss Xeon gamings plan.

Leprekaun

Oh no no no! no promotional stuff to distract attention from my tournament. THIS IS MY TOURNAMENT! MY TOURNAMENT! (Imagine Agent Smith like at the end of Matrix Revolutions )

Ofcourse I'm just joking (thats right, I'll make them all think its just a joke but I'm going to take over the Irish tournament scene...








Hold on a minute...








I must've written my secret evil thoughts. Ah damn. No its just a joke guys. Seriously. No really, just a joke. Please imagine I never wrote that. I didn't... really... honestly..

Leprekaun

Sorry for my stupid humour, I've been awake since 8 PM last night and no, I'm not on drugs, I don't need them because I have a dopamine (spell?) switch that randomly goes off plus a very frustrating session of not being able to pull off my beautifully devastating combos (cr. jabx2, cr. hp, EX Hkn, FADC, Ultra... No wait, thats not 2 separate combos Capcom, its one combo. Take 2, no, still one combo capcom)

Oh man, you lads are totally screwed for this tournament with me running it. Ya hear me, S C R E Wed!

bush

Get to bed. I think your going insane.

Leprekaun

Lol, too late sir, too late

I've calmed down now but can't sleep

FoamyMushroom

Should be fun to be at the 3rd Tourny.. Ill bring 3rd Strike for the Lul'z if people wana play before the main event :P

Plus for the people who dont know me, most of ya prob seen me before, Im the Akuma Player tall black hair and stitch... lol anyway see ya'll on Saturday

Edit.... Ill bring an Oul camera to record some of the stuff and put on youtube if people would like :P

L31mr0d

Right put me down for the tournament :pac: you called my bluff

If only for the opportunity to play against another Akuma

Also, do we have to choose who we are playing as now? Will probably be Akuma, but I might switch to Sagat depending on how much I practice with him between now and Saturday. Can we decide on the day?