Remington 700

arrowloopboy

Thinking of aquireing a remmy 700 in a.308,the price seems right,just wondering if any of ye guys have experiance of this rifle,and what ye think of it

Cheers , Alb

kakashka

Bit of experience with 700 Alb,what model are you thinking of?
What prices are you getting?
What kind of shooting in mind?

arrowloopboy

Its the new basic model,synthetic stainless,for sika shooting

jwshooter

i had a ADL and BDL remmies over the years ,ok rifles .
there not very refined compared to some.similar priced rifles.
i like a rifle that that safety locks the bolt closed .
the triggers out of the box are crap also the stocks leave a little to be desired

kakashka

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Its the new basic model,synthetic stainless,for sika shooting

Stock/trigger would be poor but ok for that job,should be a cheap gun but thats not always the case here so shop around,take a look at Howa if your on budget,good value and simular but smoother action IMO

Hezz700

They are capable of great accuracy but at the expence of bedding, crowning and trigger replacement. Thats all fine and well if you are into pimping your firearms. but if you want an out of the box shooter for the same sort of money look a Tikka. Or if your prepared to spend a bit more Sako have much betters stocks IMHO

ejg

Alb,
the remmy 700 in stainless is a good buy. Try John Lambert in Camolin he gave me a good deal on a stainless 243 a few months ago.
At the same price a howa would be slightly better than a remmy. The Howa just seems a bit more refined. The howa trigger can be tuned to absolut great performance. Who says otherwise just doesn't know how.
The remmy trigger can also be tuned but not as well as I found out, but its ok for a hunting rifle.

I think, no matter what make of rifle, the injection moulded stocks belong in the bin. Even on expensive Euro rifles these injection moulded plastic stock are just not stiff enough. Leaves us with wood or composites stocks. Laminate wood is quite stiff but mostly too heavy for a hunting rifle. Walnut can be very good if pillar bedded and treated against moisture but it will still be a bit problematic if used say for a long wet weekend. Composites, might not as elegant as walnut but have the best physical properties as stock materials. One mostly finds these stocks on expensive custom or tactical rifles but they can easily be fitted to a factory rifle.

My tip, go for a remmy or howa stainless sporter in 308.
If you rework the barrel channel on the stock and open it up so much that the barrel never touches the stock even if you shoot off a front rest, then you'll be ok for a start.

Later on you can improve the rifle by maybe cutting the barrel down to 20-22" thread it for a moderator while at it and recrown it nicely.
The 308 does not really need a long barrel and will improve on accuracy and handling.
Of course you can pick up a second hand walnut stock (I got one for 20 Euro) or an aftermarket composite stock.

The rifle will grow with your shooting improvements.

The price difference between a sako or a remmy will buy you a great stock and trigger tuning, with a sako you'd still be stuck with the flimsy factory stock.

I've had both Howa and Remmy in the last two years, both are very accurate. The howa shot 1/4" groups and the remmy up to now 1/2".

Go for stainless, it's worth it.

edi

rowa

if they're good enough for carlos hathcock , it'll do the job for you no problems .

jwshooter

ejg ,the stock on the synthetic 75 is recognised as one of the best factory stocks ever made also the stock on the T3 is as ridged as my mcmillan varmint.

the remmies are not a good buy unless your going to fit after market products and pay some one to fit them ,bed stocks ,do crowns etc same with howa s .

i would not pass the tikka T3 for the money .im not a fan of the new 85 synthetic stock ,sako have made a very did decision there i think. thats why if i was in the market in the morning it would be tikka all the way.

dwighet

my opinion with remmies is there not so bad...I had an older version years ago of a sps in 223... it shot very well(1/2" to 3/4 at 100)with hornady ammo.nailed many a fox with it.... mind you the stock was a heap of ****e...flimsy and soft and the trigger sucked...felt like it was full of sand.Ended up trading it in for a cz varmint 223.(love it) but as far as im concerned if your stalking deer and shooting to a max of around 250yds a standard rem will do the job especially in 308. now having all that said, you may find that you want to take it to the range for a bit of target work or down to the farm for a bit of 300yd bunny shooting then you MAY BE a bit dissapointed in the trigger and the stock..A poor trigger and a flimsey stock will on average create accuracy problems at around that range....
Then if your prepared to spend around 160 for a timney trigger and double that for a jewell trigger and who knows for a mcmillan or hs presicion stock
you will have a decent (long range) shooter

Now this is just my few bobs worth...you get what you pay for.It WILL get the job done..
The beauty of a rem is that there is **** loads of after market stocks,triggers,barrels ect to make em into an extreamly fine shooter...
Its all up to your budget

foxshooter243

rowa wrote: »

if they're good enough for carlos hathcock , it'll do the job for you no problems .

Todays remmys are suffering at the hand of the accountant, corners are cut on them, Hathcocks rifle was made in an era of quality worksmanship which isnt inherent in todays remington..much the same as the pre 64 model 70:)

dwighet

foxshooter243 wrote: »

Todays remmys are suffering at the hand of the accountant, corners are cut on them, Hathcocks rifle was made in an era of quality worksmanship which isnt inherent in todays remington..much the same as the pre 64 model 70:)

Not a truer word said Fox.
I was in the states 2 years ago and had a chance to shoot some old remmies(pre 80`s) in 308 and 243 and they were a delight to shoot.not a thing done to em...both rifles were bdl`s....absolute beauts they were.

Grizzly 45

rowa wrote: »

if they're good enough for carlos hathcock , it'll do the job for you no problems .

Thought he used a Winchester Mod 70 with a Unertel scope?:)

OTOH as the Remmy is US made there are plenty of add on bits that allow you to modify it to whatever you please.Trigger crap?Buy a replacement trigger system fo appx $100.stocks,get an ACSIS chassis system from accruacy Intl UK.Supposed to tweak up accruacy by 33%
They are sort of like the US Jeep4WD.Buy the basic 4x4 and customise to your specs.

kakashka

AICS improve 700 by 33%!!!i think it would need to be a bad case to start with.

jwshooter

back in the late 50 s and 60 s the likes of hathcock and the like were very much left to there own devices.
what i have read about the man and i have him well read he was a man that would any thing to make a shot .
at the start he was using a winchester mod 70 in 30,06 like 45 has said .

standard hunting rifles tweaked by them selves .

the remmie is a rifle that lends itself to getting work done on it only a fool would argue that they are not accurate ,bomb proof rifle .

but i still would not get a rifle build on one .

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thought he used a Winchester Mod 70 with a Unertel scope?:)

OTOH as the Remmy is US made there are plenty of add on bits that allow you to modify it to whatever you please.Trigger crap?Buy a replacement trigger system fo appx $100.stocks,get an ACSIS chassis system from accruacy Intl UK.Supposed to tweak up accruacy by 33%
They are sort of like the US Jeep4WD.Buy the basic 4x4 and customise to your specs.

he might have used a winchester in the early days but he said :

" we needed something more modern that could and would survive the heat and moisture ....the winchesters were good sticks in there time but they weren't built for vietnam ."
shortly afterwards in april 1966 the remmy was adopted .
i am sorry to hear that the remington is not the rifle it once was i had one in .17 remington and it was a lovely rifle , they were at that time a rifle you could depend on to be good out of the box .
sako or tikka is the way to go if this is the case .

arrowloopboy

rowa wrote: »

if they're good enough for carlos hathcock , it'll do the job for you no problems .

He used a winchester model 70 .30-06:D

rowa

arrowloopboy wrote: »

He used a winchester model 70 .30-06:D

read my last post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJONj95so4

kakashka

Lets not forget what a SPS Stainless costs in US..around $600?
They are the same guns that we get here
Get a good one and it'll out shoot the best but hit and miss if your looking for sub 1/4 MOA groups,buy a cheap S/H 700 if you want to customize

jwshooter

match barrel 1000 ,trigger 170 ,stock 500 ,beding and other work 300.

S/H 700 remmie 600 .

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tikka T3 950

ejg

I got a match barrel fitted to my Sako, why because it couldn't hit a frying pan. Worst rifle I ever had for accuracy. even as a 308
Costs? 500 Euro to fit the barrel and proof, around 50 for threading.
Some will fit a barrel for less.
James clark in Uk had plans to start rebarreling with spanish bagara barrels
for under 350£.
bedding 300 ????? for 20 grams of epoxy . That would be about about 200 Euros an hour,... Oh, forgot we are in Ireland

Buy a remmy action for 300, rebarrel for 500, composite stock 400, skim bedding max 100.
Custom rifle for the price less than a shop quoted me a black remmy sps in Ireland. Never mind a sako.

edi

ps, I would not regard a factory tikka as being an accurate rifle, its ok but thats it.
Tikka would improve though with a bit of work done to it and an aftermarket stock.

kakashka

ejg wrote: »

I got a match barrel fitted to my Sako, why because it couldn't hit a frying pan. Worst rifle I ever had for accuracy. even as a 308
Costs? 500 Euro to fit the barrel and proof, around 50 for threading.
Some will fit a barrel for less.
James clark in Uk had plans to start rebarreling with spanish bagara barrels
for under 350£.
bedding 300 ????? for 20 grams of epoxy . That would be about about 200 Euros an hour,... Oh, forgot we are in Ireland

Buy a remmy action for 300, rebarrel for 500, composite stock 400, skim bedding max 100.
Custom rifle for the price less than a shop quoted me a black remmy sps in Ireland. Never mind a sako.

edi

ps, I would not regard a factory tikka as being an accurate rifle, its ok but thats it.
Tikka would improve though with a bit of work done to it and an aftermarket stock.

+ 1 on all of above edi,also nothing special about factory Tikka's

rowa

if you could buy an older sako or tikka from the 80's it should be a good shooter , my current rifle is a .308 sako forester heavy barrel made in the late 60's and it is an absolute tack driver even though the barrel has seen better days , i'll get i rebarreled when funds allow .
anyone any opinions on the steyr rifles , what are they like ?
seem to me that rifle makers are in a race to the bottom , they are all trying to reduce the cost of the rifle by putting crappy plastic parts on them and trading on there names .

jwshooter

6 shots from a tikka T3 in 243 at 100yds .

nightforce nxs scope, 18" barrel ,T8 mod 95gr federal ballistic tips set trigger

no other work done to the gun .

kakashka

rowa wrote: »

if you could buy an older sako or tikka from the 80's it should be a good shooter , my current rifle is a .308 sako forester heavy barrel made in the late 60's and it is an absolute tack driver even though the barrel has seen better days , i'll get i rebarreled when funds allow .
anyone any opinions on the steyr rifles , what are they like ?
seem to me that rifle makers are in a race to the bottom , they are all trying to reduce the cost of the rifle by putting crappy plastic parts on them and trading on there names .

Why would you change a barrel on a tack driver???

Sorry to say it again but your run of the mill Rem is a cheap gun.
Steyr generally have a good rep,heard stories of bad stock's but not experienced myself

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

6 shots from a tikka T3 in 243 at 100yds .

nightforce nxs scope, 18" barrel ,T8 mod 95gr federal ballistic tips set trigger

no other work done to the gun .

Pic not clear enough to comment

It wasn't me!

kakashka wrote: »

Pic not clear enough to comment

To be absolutely fair, that's begrudging. The pic is absolutely sharp enough to show a fantastic group. I mean, call a spade a spade ffs!

kakashka

It wasn't me! wrote: »

To be absolutely fair, that's begrudging. The pic is absolutely sharp enough to show a fantastic group. I mean, call a spade a spade ffs!

Right!!i'll say what i ment...yes it's a great group but i've never seen edges on a shot group like that before!!!but cant see clearly enough so rather than sounding like i'm calling the man a liar i simply said i cant see...

jwshooter

pic was taken with my phone ,thats a one cent coin.

my i suggest a trip to specsavers KKK.

jwshooter

kakashka wrote: »

Right!!i'll say what i ment...yes it's a great group but i've never seen edges on a shot group like that before!!!but cant see clearly enough so rather than sounding like i'm calling the man a liar i simply said i cant see...

always the way with you to rubbish some thing if it does not suit you .i have shot them type of groups in company ,john lambert has seen what the my tikka is capable of out to long range .

there is another group but i have no reference to its size

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

pic was taken with my phone ,thats a one cent coin.

my i suggest a trip to specsavers KKK.

May i suggest a new phone
I seen the 1cent coin
It Is a paper target??

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

always the way with you to rubbish some thing if it does not suit you .i have shot them type of groups in company ,john lambert has seen what the my tikka is capable of out to long range .

there is another group but i have no reference to its size

My record on Boards can easily be viewed and anyone is welcome to do so,to say that i rubbish anything that does not suit me is simply "rubbish"

jwshooter

kakashka wrote: »

May i suggest a new phone
I seen the 1cent coin
It Is a paper target??

there is a rabbit i shot at 705 ranged finded yds with a withness with my tikka

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

there is a rabbit i shot at 705 ranged finded yds with a withness with my tikka

Good,i'm glad you have a super gun,it happens every now and again but not always and not very often with some makes
I have a 700 that will put 10 rounds into 1cent at 100m,doesnt mean they are all brilliant.
While your there can you Please post referance to me rubbishing something that doesnt suit me.
Should not be hard if i always do it

rowa

kakashka wrote: »

Why would you change a barrel on a tack driver???

Sorry to say it again but your run of the mill Rem is a cheap gun.
Steyr generally have a good rep,heard stories of bad stock's but not experienced myself

because i know that the accuracy will drop off , probabily quite sharply and when i do get it rebarreled it will be a long barrel to shoot f/tr , 28"-30" long hopefully .

have you considered a savage ? they were junk once up until a few years back , but someone new took over the factory weeded out the dead wood and improved quality ,now the rifles they make are supposed to excellent .

kakashka

rowa wrote: »

because i know that the accuracy will drop off , probabily quite sharply and when i do get it rebarreled it will be a long barrel to shoot f/tr , 28"-30" long hopefully .

Well you have a top class action to work on anyway,dont ever be tempted to part with it

rowa

kakashka wrote: »

Well you have a top class action to work on anyway,dont ever be tempted to part with it

i know , they were made with a steel made by bofors , of the bofors gun fame , and apparently they are very sought after in america.

sorry to hear that sako has gone south in the accuracy stakes .

kakashka

rowa wrote: »

i know , they were made with a steel made by bofors , of the bofors gun fame , and apparently they are very sought after in america.

sorry to hear that sako has gone south in the accuracy stakes .

Yip,anyone who knows- knows
Sako still make top class guns,again stock seems to be the let down AFAICS

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

always the way with you to rubbish some thing if it does not suit you .

I'm still waiting.

Sparks

kakashka wrote: »

I'm still waiting.

JW might find it harder since I've had to delete several of your posts kakashka.
Knock off the scrapping if you please, it's childish.

kakashka

Sparks wrote: »

JW might find it harder since I've had to delete several of your posts kakashka.
Knock off the scrapping if you please, it's childish.

Whatever you say Sparks...i said nothing to provoke so keep the childish label for someone else.

arrowloopboy

back to my question,for 700 yoyos am i getting a reliable rifle that can shoot 2" groups out to 150yrds.I don't need to be shooting a sixpence at a grand .

dwighet

arrowloopboy wrote: »

back to my question,for 700 yoyos am i getting a reliable rifle that can shoot 2" groups out to 150yrds.I don't need to be shooting a sixpence at a grand .

indeed you are...should do 2" easy at 150

fish slapped

Lets not forget this:
http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=3&ids=10&idz=42&lang=en

always worth a look. my 6.5 was a real tack driver.

dwighet

fish slapped wrote: »

Lets not forget this:
http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=3&ids=10&idz=42&lang=en

always worth a look. my 6.5 was a real tack driver.

I`ll second that...I had the same rifle last year and was very accurate..

Hezz700

fish slapped wrote: »

Lets not forget this:
http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=3&ids=10&idz=42&lang=en

always worth a look. my 6.5 was a real tack driver.

FS

Is the commission you get from CZ good these days:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Seriously though, they do make quality rifles.

Hezz700

jwshooter wrote: »

6 shots from a tikka T3 in 243 at 100yds .

nightforce nxs scope, 18" barrel ,T8 mod 95gr federal ballistic tips set trigger

no other work done to the gun .

Nice work.

rowa

for a 700 euro limit it has to be a cz/brno alright , i always fancied the stutzen full stocked rifles.

http://www.czub.cz/Produkt.aspx?lang=en&page=81-centerfire rifles cz&cat=KM&prod=CZ_550_FS

ejg

jwshooter wrote: »

6 shots from a tikka T3 in 243 at 100yds .

nightforce nxs scope, 18" barrel ,T8 mod 95gr federal ballistic tips set trigger

no other work done to the gun .

Very good shooting,
but you have a custom gun, or does the tikka come with a 18" barrel.
Rifles tend to get more accurate with shorter barrels and loose a bit power.
A chap showed up recently, new to rifle shooting. Just bought a new CZ in 243, 6 mag scope and fired his second group as good as yours.
But this does not mean that the rifle will have the same point of impact under all shooting conditions. Exert some pressure down onto your bipod or rest on the magazin box and see where the rifle shoots too. Everyone knows how bad a rifle shoots if one rests on the barrel, then why use a stock that has low stiffnes. One does not need to even fire a group.
To achieve allround reliability in a rifle companies like roedale precision or sws 2000 put quite a bit of effort into building rifles . Only this kind of rifle will be accepted by military or police, why? because of reliability not just a single group. If deer or foxes could shoot back we would all put more effort in getting our rifles reliable.
A good group means a rifle has potential, not more.
edi

deerhunter1

arrowloopboy wrote: »

He used a winchester model 70 .30-06:D

No A remington

deerhunter1

jwshooter wrote: »

6 shots from a tikka T3 in 243 at 100yds .

nightforce nxs scope, 18" barrel ,T8 mod 95gr federal ballistic tips set trigger

no other work done to the gun .

My steyr pro hunter in 308 will do the same consistently best rifle I ever had,and I had a lot and fired a lot
No work done to it out of the box