Buckfast

Milesy

Hi All.

Does anyone know of anywhere online in Ireland which sells Buckfast Tonic Wine?

Best Regards,

Milesy

BeerNut

Superquinn, and probably Tesco too.

shanel23

If I remember correctly most local chemists also sell it

Milesy

Nothing on the Superquinn website.

I should have been more specific. I am trying to find somewhere online in Ireland which would deliver to Scotland. I dont have a problem with any customs taxes and/or other charges which might occur .

Thanks :pac::)

BeerNut

Milesy wrote: »

Nothing on the Superquinn website.

No, this on the Superquinn website:

Milesy wrote: »

I am trying to find somewhere online in Ireland which would deliver to Scotland.

Buckfast delivered to Scotland? www.coals-to-newcastle.com?

Milesy

They sell a different variation of it in Ireland which I am very eager to taste

Milesy

Found it on that site now, but unfortunately only local deliveries. Maybe I am looking for maybe an actaual wine merchant or something rather than a supermarket. Thanks for helping.

Long shot. But would anyone ship some over to me if I paid them for their trouble? :pac:

BeerNut

I am assured by bona fide Buckfast connoisseurs of my acquaintance (I'm from Armagh, I can't help who my schoolmates were) that they taste the same. The only real difference is the colour of the glass.

Milesy

You could be right, but I am still eager to get a hold of some, even if it is just for the different label and fancy label on the neck - we dont have that.

Paparazzo

Milesy wrote: »

You could be right, but I am still eager to get a hold of some, even if it is just for the different label and fancy label on the neck - we dont have that.

"fancy" LOL!

BeerNut

Milesy wrote: »

Long shot. But would anyone ship some over to me if I paid them for their trouble? :pac:

It's perhaps best not to ask people to break the law for you on a public forum: none of us can sell you drink without holding an off licence.

Any of the wine retailers here want to help the chap out?

Milesy

That seems like a bit of an over zealous interpretation to me?

BeerNut

Milesy wrote: »

That seems like a bit of an over zealous interpretation to me?

You're right, I'm totally misreading section 7 of the Intoxicating Liquor (General) Act, 1924:

7.—(1) From and after the passing of this Act no person shall sell, expose for sale, or keep for sale, by retail, any intoxicating liquor without being duly licensed so to sell the same, or at any place where he is not authorised by his licence to sell the same unless, like, he's just whanging a bottle of Bucky over to Milesy for a few quid: that's grand, no worries.

Milesy

Lol. I understand what you are saying, no offence intended. I was just thinking that purchasing on behalf of someone else who is able to purchase alcohol is not the same as becoming a seller of alcohol.

The key words in the legislation you have provided are "sell" and "sale" :P

DenMan

Centra stock it...by the bucket loads actually. Try your local store.

Milesy

DenMan wrote: »

Centra stock it...by the bucket loads actually. Try your local store.

Thank you. I am trying to find an online merchant who will ship to Glasgow though.

DenMan

These guys look your best bet.

http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=1646

BeerNut

Milesy wrote: »

I understand what you are saying, no offence intended.

None taken

Milesy wrote: »

I was just thinking that purchasing on behalf of someone else who is able to purchase alcohol is not the same as becoming a seller of alcohol.

Absolutely: purchasing on behalf of someone else is not the same. I could go out now and procure your Buckfast no problem.

But then what? I could post it to you for free -- the exciseman would take a dim view of that, but it happens, and you'd just have to cough up for the taxes if the package was stopped. However, as soon as you give me money then I am selling the Buckfast, and breaking the law by doing so.

Milesy wrote: »

The key words in the legislation you have provided are "sell" and "sale" :P

I'm all ears to hear how one of us giving you wine in exchange for you giving us money does not constitute "selling".

BeerNut

DenMan wrote: »

These guys look your best bet.

http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=1646

Nope -- that's the UK version.

Milesy

BeerNut wrote: »

None taken

Absolutely: purchasing on behalf of someone else is not the same. I could go out now and procure your Buckfast no problem.

But then what? I could post it to you for free -- the exciseman would take a dim view of that, but it happens, and you'd just have to cough up for the taxes if the package was stopped. However, as soon as you give me money then I am selling the Buckfast, and breaking the law by doing so.

I'm all ears to hear how one of us giving you wine in exchange for you giving us money does not constitute "selling".

You could buy some rare "British money" from me with some Wine lol!

I get what your saying "on paper". I get my mate who plays football on a scholarship in Tennesse to send me bottles of rare Jack Daniels over to me. On paper it is classed as selling then? I guess it is all just down to you interpret the situation lol :P

BeerNut

Milesy wrote: »

On paper it is classed as selling then?

If you get money in exchange for things then that is called "selling".

Milesy wrote: »

I guess it is all just down to you interpret the situation lol :P, Your Honour

Post fixed.

Milesy

On a related note, there was a underground night club in Glasgow which ran for years and never had am alcohol licence. When you paid in there was a brick-a-brack stall with stuff like old books and stuff. You purchased a book, and then you could swap it at the bar for a free drink. Strangely the place operated for years. :eek:

norrie rugger

BeerNut wrote: »

None taken

Absolutely: purchasing on behalf of someone else is not the same. I could go out now and procure your Buckfast no problem.

But then what? I could post it to you for free -- the exciseman would take a dim view of that, but it happens, and you'd just have to cough up for the taxes if the package was stopped. However, as soon as you give me money then I am selling the Buckfast, and breaking the law by doing so.

I'm all ears to hear how one of us giving you wine in exchange for you giving us money does not constitute "selling".

What happens if I go down the offy, to pick up some beer, and one of the mates calls me and asks me to get him some.
Am I selling it to him, when I get the money from him later?

BeerNut

norrie rugger wrote: »

Am I selling it to him, when I get the money from him later?

Yup. I wouldn't advise you go advertising a similar service to strangers on an open forum like this.

norrie rugger

BeerNut wrote: »

Yup. I wouldn't advise you go advertising a similar service to strangers on an open forum like this.

Not at all my good fellow, not at all.

I just think this is interesting. What if I give someone the beer FOC but charge them for the time it took me to get it

Again this is all hypothetical, even though I doubt that the garda are going to raid my house, for picking up a six pack for the buddy

Saruman

norrie rugger wrote: »

What happens if I go down the offy, to pick up some beer, and one of the mates calls me and asks me to get him some.
Am I selling it to him, when I get the money from him later?

You have to give it to him for free I guess.

norrie rugger

Saruman wrote: »

You have to give it to him for free I guess.

Nice try:p
See above, charge him for the transport of said liquid

or drink it myself in front of him

s_carnage

Milesy wrote: »

On a related note, there was a underground night club in Glasgow which ran for years and never had am alcohol licence. When you paid in there was a brick-a-brack stall with stuff like old books and stuff. You purchased a book, and then you could swap it at the bar for a free drink. Strangely the place operated for years. :eek:

Something like that in Italy too. You buy tokens in the nightclub (either shot, pint or cocktail tokens) and swap them on for drink.

BeerNut

norrie rugger wrote: »

I just think this is interesting.

It is, isn't it?

norrie rugger wrote: »

What if I give someone the beer FOC but charge them for the time it took me to get it

If money changed hands at all in the transaction, however detailed the invoice you provided, then you were selling. It's the same as saying the money was for the aluminium, or for a bar of chocolate which happened to cost the same, or for admission to your house where the beer is stored.

Anywhere that alcohol is any way connected with the movement of money, there's probably a licensing issue, and generally an excise one as well.

norrie rugger

BeerNut wrote: »

It is, isn't it?

If money changed hands at all in the transaction, however detailed the invoice you provided, then you were selling. It's the same as saying the money was for the aluminium, or for a bar of chocolate which happened to cost the same, or for admission to your house where the beer is stored.

Anywhere that alcohol is any way connected with the movement of money, there's probably a licensing issue, and generally an excise one as well.

I am confused then, with the delivery boy, who drops the beer to the off licence, from the warehouse.
Does he need some bonding certificate or something?

PS children, always ensure to not confuse bonding, with bondage

BeerNut

norrie rugger wrote: »

I am confused then, with the delivery boy, who drops the beer to the off licence, from the warehouse.
Does he need some bonding certificate or something?

The delivery boy, if he works for a law-abiding firm, is not accepting cash-on-delivery. The offie will make the payment at the warehouse, generally by phone or web or credit transfer or whatever.

It's the same deal with online beer or wine retailers, of which there are many: you give your credit card details remotely, they run the transaction in their licensed premises, and then deliver your stuff. They're legal; dial-a-can services are not.

norrie rugger

BeerNut wrote: »

The delivery boy, if he works for a law-abiding firm, is not accepting cash-on-delivery. The offie will make the payment at the warehouse, generally by phone or web or credit transfer or whatever.

It's the same deal with online beer or wine retailers, of which there are many: you give your credit card details remotely, they run the transaction in their licensed premises, and then deliver your stuff. They're legal; dial-a-can services are not.

OK,

In future I will get him the beer and he can pay for the taxi to town, later?

BeerNut

norrie rugger wrote: »

In future I will get him the beer and he can pay for the taxi to town, later?

Have I suddenly become the Booze Police? If so, er, yes, that will be acceptable sir, and always ensure your taxi is a licensed veh-hickle.

norrie rugger

BeerNut wrote: »

Have I suddenly become the Booze Police? If so, er, yes, that will be acceptable sir, and always ensure your taxi is a licensed veh-hickle.

I am just an argumentative git at the best of times, I like arguments for some reason.

Not even arguments, more debating the merit of a certain point of view

BeerNut

norrie rugger wrote: »

Not even arguments, more debating the merit of a certain point of view

We're talking Irish licensing law, though: "merit" does not enter the equation at any point

Bawheed

Ah kin get ye a boattle mate, jist send me the money an ahl take kerr ay it

Interesting stoary oan the subject

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6095474.stm

BeerNut

Or even this.

OLP

Just so ya know, Buckfast from the Republic DOES taste different. It's way nicer from England/The North in my (and many others) oppinion

BeerNut

Any of these opinions based on blind tasting?

dylbert

OLP wrote: »

Just so ya know, Buckfast from the Republic DOES taste different. It's way nicer from England/The North in my (and many others) oppinion

Not sure bout it tasting different but Buckfast in the south is a thicker consistency then the UK version.

RDM_83

Did a taste test with them before (not blind though), certainly a taste difference, northern slightly less sweet and more tannic;it is less obvious though than the difference in consistency (which is probably why people often prefer UK version)

ps You can sometimes buy UK buckfast in smaller non chain offlicences, know that last year you could buy it on talbot street offy (one close to supervalue)

tippguy

local offie manager to the rescue. i'll sort you out no problem if you still need it

electrogrimey

Went to the offo there recently and they had the British Buckfast, the one with the bit of white writing and the green bottle, and it tastes totally different. A lot thinner consistency, and it's a much more winey taste, I much prefer the Irish stuff.

Gerty

love this drink.

electrogrimey

Gerty wrote: »

love this drink.

+1

D-Generate

I am just shocked about the caffeine content of it. Per 100ml it has higher caffeine content than Red Bull and other similar energy drinks. The thing is rocket fuel!

MattKane

BeerNut wrote: »

You're right, I'm totally misreading section 7 of the Intoxicating Liquor (General) Act, 1924:

7.—(1) From and after the passing of this Act no person shall sell, expose for sale, or keep for sale, by retail, any intoxicating liquor without being duly licensed so to sell the same, or at any place where he is not authorised by his licence to sell the same unless, like, he's just whanging a bottle of Bucky over to Milesy for a few quid: that's grand, no worries.

Haha, blunt as ever, Beernut.

Sorry Milsey, we don't stock any in our shop and I don't know of any independents who would ship it to Scotland.

Jeff Albertson

Yeah the Northern Buckfast is different from the Southern one. One is in a green bottle and the other is a brown - an Armagh friend also explained the difference to me one day and that the Southern bottle is poison! Funnily enough wikipedia gives the differences in ingredients.

GenghisCon

Adding boiling water to a quantity (personally I like 1 in 2 dilution) buckfast actually results in a surprisingly pleasant hot toddy. A wee dash of rum, brown sugar, and a cloved lemon are welcome additions.

Milesy

My search is still fruitless.

Would anyone be able to send me an empty bottle at least? I will pay for the trouble!