M16 advice

mle1324

Hi again
this time i'm looking to get a AGM M16A1 (NAM) for my birthday and would just like to here peoples opinion on this deadly looking AEG,is it s**t or brilliant,does it suffer from problems ect.

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=2945

Puding

its the incorrect receiver for m16a1, if your looking ot get it for a name load out you might want to look else where, or look into replacing the reciver

mle1324

Puding wrote: »

its the incorrect receiver for m16a1, if your looking ot get it for a name load out you might want to look else where, or look into replacing the reciver

what do you mean mate?

Puding

AGM M16A1 (NAM)

you mentioned nam in your original post, i assumed you where after a Vietnam era m16?

mle1324

Puding wrote: »

you mentioned nam in your original post, i assumed you where after a Vietnam era m16?

wasnt the A1 used in nam?
i thought is was:o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_the_Vietnam_War

Captain Chaos

Yeah it was but the AGM A1 is not a true A1, it has alot of A2 parts.

The AGM A1 has the wrong style receiver, flash hider, grip and stock.

Puding

it was, the aeg agm have labeled as an m16a1 is not correct thought that's what i meant buy the receiver was not correct

this is what you would be looking for
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=WGC-AEG-M16A1_cat_WGC%20Custom%20AEGs
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=WGC-AEG-M16VN_cat_WGC%20Custom%20AEGs

mle1324

oh i know what you mean now
what about this?
http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1583

heres the real one


jaysus that a big difference,what a shower of b****** AGM

Lemming

mle1324 wrote: »

heres the real one

That's also not correct. Flash hider is wrong, and the mag is .. well .. ok the mag is technically late era, but generally speaking they used the short box mags, not sickle shaped ones.

Puding

also the JG version you linked to in on rsov has the incorrect receiver, if you look you can see it has the detachable carrying handle

mle1324

Lemming wrote: »

That's also not correct. Flash hider is wrong, and the mag is .. well .. ok the mag is technically late era, but generally speaking they used the short box mags, not sickle shaped ones.

oh yea i know they used the small 20rd mags,i just took that from google images and just also realised that the JG is the same (A2 carry handle)
What should i do now? what other one is there for about €160 or can i can i get a new carry handle?

Puding

oh yea i know they used the small 20rd mags,i just took that from google images and just also realised that the JG is the same (A2 carry handle)
What should i do now? what other one is there for about €160 or can i can i get a new carry handle?

unforuntaly its not a simple case of changing the handle, you would need a complete new reciver, the vietnam era m16 had a one piece reciver and carrying candle,

your best bet is to save up the extra for the G&P version or classic army version that are correct,

or you can get say the JG or agm version go with small mags and just go with that no one will kill you, just depends on how accurate you want to be

mle1324

Puding wrote: »

unforuntaly its not a simple case of changing the handle, you would need a complete new reciver, the vietnam era m16 had a one piece reciver and carrying candle,

your best bet is to save up the extra for the G&P version or classic army version that are correct,

or you can get say the JG or agm version go with small mags and just go with that no one will kill you, just depends on how accurate you want to be

well not that acurate,just the small mags and the trangular looking barrel.an thats it.but how much is the G&P anyway?

Puding

your look at double the price of the agm version

i would say is go with something like the JG version, get the correct flash hider and a let of MAG short mid caps and job done not 100% accurate but its close enough and shows effort has been made

mle1324

Puding wrote: »

your look at double the price of the agm version

i would say is go with something like the JG version, get the correct flash hider and a let of MAG short mid caps and job done not 100% accurate but its close enough and shows effort has been made

thanks mate,i'll have to decide.

zero19

Don't forget tokyo marui also have an a1, how accurate it is i don't know but it's just another option

mle1324

zero19 wrote: »

Don't forget tokyo marui also have an a1, how accurate it is i don't know but it's just another option

yea but the price €€€€€,i wouldnt be able to afford that one.:(

Smokerkl

There you go

Sorry got a photo of the vietnam vesion tokyo marui with proper mag but cant upload it!!
P.S. How do u put photos up?

Puding

http://www.gunsnguys.com/home_ns.htm
then click the vietnam version..

is it a link to a particular product, might be best to post the name of the product as that just takes you to the main page...

Smokerkl

I know pud thats why i changed it but still cant get the damn pictures!!

Smokerkl

Ok this is the Tokyo Marui m16ai vietnam version from gunsnguys


MARUI_M16A1_Vietnam_l.jpg

Lemming

Smokerkl wrote: »

Ok this is the Tokyo Marui m16ai vietnam version from gunsnguys

ANd here's the G&P one:


Incidentally, they also have a G&P XM177:

Smokerkl

thx lemming thats what i was trying to do!!

mle1324

do yous all know that the XM117 was NOT in the Vietnam War,people only think that it was because it was in Platoon.
anyway the G&P one looks the best but i cant really afford that as my budget is only €160-180.
Thanks Lemming for photos.
Rhinocharge was telling me that the one on RSOV is like that because its from China and it has the word STYLE in the title.


EDIT:sorry i'm thinking of the 653 Carbine.
look: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Platoon

defenderdude

mle1324 wrote: »

EDIT:sorry i'm thinking of the 653 Carbine.
look: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Platoon

Nice link. Thanks!;)

mle1324

defenderdude wrote: »

Nice link. Thanks!;)

LOL,i use it all the time:D

Puding

Rhinocharge was telling me that the one on RSOV is like that because its from China and it has the word STYLE in the title.

if you need anything else checked its always best to ask

mle1324

Puding wrote: »

if you need anything else checked its always best to ask

LOL,thats why i ask you lads ,i mean like i didnt realise that it has A2 parts if it wasent for yous:).

Rhinocharge

mle1324 wrote: »

Rhinocharge was telling me that the one on RSOV is like that because its from China and it has the word STYLE in the title.

Quoted out of context.

What I meant was Chinese manufacturers are notorious for labeling guns wrong, just to fill a void in the market. The average consumer wouldn't know the difference & that's what the manufacturer is hoping for.
By adding style in the model name, gives them leeway.

mle1324

Rhinocharge wrote: »

Quoted out of context.

What I meant was Chinese manufacturers are notorious for labeling guns wrong, just to fill a void in the market. The average consumer wouldn't know the difference & that's what the manufacturer is hoping for.
By adding style in the model name, gives them leeway.

thats what i ment sorry,i didnt know how to put it into the right context:o.but anyway i'll go with the AGM as it has a metal reciver:)

Masada

mle1324 wrote: »

do yous all know that the XM117 was NOT in the Vietnam War,people only think that it was because it was in Platoon.
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Thats incorrect, not sure where ya heard it but ive seen them in vietnam. theres no shortage of them there.

If you want to go for the nam look then theres really no point in half arsing it, it would be better to save up a little and get an accurate looking gun instead of getting something that looks ok, coz theres always gonna be someone to point out why its not right.,lol the rear sight is a obvious one, as is the webing on the receiver and the flash hider ( but flash hiders similar to these were actualy used on some later M16A1's) you'll only end up dissapointed with it so i would suggest saving for the G&P, TM or CA.
the TM is the cheapest i think, its also the most accurate in its colour. the G&P (which is the one i have myself) is too dark and the classic army, while it looks pretty good, it has really bad internals. the TM is also plastic, but its a damn sight better than the AGM and its a far more reliable and accurate piece.
If you do go for the AGM be aware that theres a very common problem with them, the cylinder case cracks at the front on most of the ones ive seen and the outer barrel is a crappy design, its will come loose and fall out.

mle1324

Masada wrote: »

Thats incorrect, not sure where ya heard it but ive seen them in vietnam. theres no shortage of them there.:)

i know that now,i was thinking of the 653 Carbine that was in the film Platoon but was not in the war.

on Ehobby there is a $5 difference between the TM and G&P (the TM is 235 and G&P is 230)
but it would oviously be dearer from a irish retailer.i'll see what my finance is and will decide then.
thanks for all your comments.

Masada

In that case, go with the G&P, its a rock solid receiver and with a bit of weathering it can be made to look very realistic.
Or you could get a CA XM177 and stick a dboys gearbox in, thats pretty much what i did.

mle1324

Masada wrote: »

In that case, go with the G&P, its a rock solid receiver and with a bit of weathering it can be made to look very realistic.
Or you could get a CA XM177 and stick a dboys gearbox in, thats pretty much what i did.

now that i know that i'll get a few prices from shops and way up my opitions then of what to get.but eh yea its is the M16 that i want (something with a fixed stock).
Thanks Richie for advice;)

thermo

i got my toyo marui m16 vietnam from airguns.ie cost inc deleviery was €150.99,,,,, email them first to check if its in stock, if so buy it then, and you will have it in a couple of days! it looks the buisness, and has great ROF and accurecy!

mle1324

thermo wrote: »

i got my toyo marui m16 vietnam from airguns.ie cost inc deleviery was €150.99,,,,, email them first to check if its in stock, if so buy it then, and you will have it in a couple of days! it looks the buisness, and has great ROF and accurecy!

i thought that they sold fake TMs? or so i heard and there service is s**t.

TerrorFirmer

mle1324 wrote: »

i thought that they sold fake TMs? or so i heard and there service is s**t.

Service is beyond comphrehension of the word '****', though they do or did sell real TM stuff. As far as I know its all long gone.

Anyway, since we're talking about it, how reliable are the internals of the AGM? I was going to get that too, but am now thinking maybe the G&P. At first I was unhappy with the M16'A1' from AGM and was thinking of getting a new flash hider/pistol grip, but then realised....its cheap, and with the short mags it looks relatively OK, and that's all I care about - if someone takes offense at its lack of realism that's their problem.

I've seen the TM and don't like the receiver color at all, they were trying to go for the light metal effect but it ended up just looking like cheap plastic.

mle1324

but its a damn sight better than the AGM and its a far more reliable and accurate piece.
If you do go for the AGM be aware that theres a very common problem with them, the cylinder case cracks at the front on most of the ones ive seen and the outer barrel is a crappy design, its will come loose and fall out.

This is what Richie from Eirsoft said.

anyway its is sorta your fault you fecker:p why i am looking into all this M16 stuff over your M4 thread and your post on SE airsoft thread LOL:D but the M16 NAM is something i have always wanted but never bothered checking things out about it and like you i have lost interest in the AGM one.

TerrorFirmer

I haven't given up on it yet - and I'm still going to get an M16A1 from SEAirsoft, but I'm just undecided as to which one.

Opinions: AGM vs JG? Seeing as they're the same price range. And also, opinions on G&P overall? I've definitely ruled out the TM one, don't like the color; have ruled out the CA as performance seems way out of sync with $$$.

mle1324

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I haven't given up on it yet - and I'm still going to get an M16A1 from SEAirsoft, but I'm just undecided as to which one.

Opinions: AGM vs JG? Seeing as they're the same price range. And also, opinions on G&P overall? I've definitely ruled out the TM one, don't like the color; have ruled out the CA as performance seems way out of sync with $$$.

From my knowledge of airsoft G&P are ment to be up there with G&G and King Arms so i reckon they are good but if Richie could shed some more light on this it would be much appreciated:) and same as you i reckon it will be SE for me but i am just getting a few quotes anyway.

EDIT:tbh the JG wont rust in the lovely Irish weather unlike the full metal which most likley will but that just my opinion and if i was loaded with $€$€ and i was getting a M16A1 Style aswell as a G&P i would go with the JG there are getting better and better in its making and performance.

Masada

The AGM and JG are both pretty crappy to be honest. my own M16A1 is a custom build using a G&P receiver and parts from both the JG and AGM M16's with a G&P gearbox.

I dont want to come across as being elitist with this but when it comes to name stuff, you can get all the real deal BDU's, helmets, boots, flak jackets, webbing, harness yokes, canteens, ammo pouches, and so on, for little money over the internet to make a very realistic and accurate loadout but if you put in all that effort and then have an M16 that claims to be a nam era(the only nam looking part is the barrel heat shied, the rest is wrong) then you've kinda run the marathon and given up in the last hundred meters.

I personally would go with the TM if you are on a budget. its appearance is pretty close and its colour is accurate although it would need some wear, or the G&P if its not much more expensive.
at least if you get the TM, you can later add the G&P receiver to it and you wont need to buy more accessories like heatshield, pistol grip, stock etc etc. if you did this with the AGM then you would have to source all these parts aswell as the G&P receiver.

mle1324

I know what you mean now man, i do want the AEG to be accurate and not a mongrel gun with A2 parts,i have already asked a few retailers if they can get the G&P or TM and am awaiting replies and the other stuff like BDU,helmet ect i will try to get on Ebay.
Thanks again Richie for putting everything into a easyier context and i hope to try the nam thing sometime:D

Masada

No bother man,
I'll drop ya a P with some links for youre oadout.

mle1324

pmed you back
Right now (or a few min ago) i was watching the documentary about when Lt Col Hal Moore (the fella that Mel Gibson played in We Were Soliders) was fighting with is platoon and stuff like that:D

Flecktarn

Does anyone know where to get a M16A1 front end and the three prong flashider?

Masada

Redwolfe do the G&P ones. i think the Flash hider is a clockwise though, you could get the Classic Army one if ya need CCW.

TheDoc

Another option is a custom build

It comes in cheaper then Classic Army m16's and about the same price as a G&P m16, even a little cheaper.

I got a G&G plastic m16, and replaced the body with a G&P m16a1 body and will soon be getting the front end to complete the rifle ( come august)

I was in a mad rush to hopefully get my rifle sorted asap when I got my kit, but thankfully Tony forgot to order the front end ( he says forgot but i know he did it to piss me off :P) And to be honest it was a good thing.

I dont "collect" guns, I intend to use them.

And there doesn't seem to be any nam events that I can bloody get too, where I know theres people who are going to be in atleast 70% accurate era gear.

Not trying to sound elitist or anything, but after the dosh ive put into this loadout i'd be a bit " oh for **** sake" if i went to a nam event and saw an m4a1..

Take it as a longterm project if your not loaded with money and gather pieces when you can, like im doing at the moment. It always gives you something to read on and when you do assemble the whole thing it will be a great feeling.

TerrorFirmer

Masada wrote: »

The AGM and JG are both pretty crappy to be honest. my own M16A1 is a custom build using a G&P receiver and parts from both the JG and AGM M16's with a G&P gearbox.

I dont want to come across as being elitist with this but when it comes to name stuff, you can get all the real deal BDU's, helmets, boots, flak jackets, webbing, harness yokes, canteens, ammo pouches, and so on, for little money over the internet to make a very realistic and accurate loadout but if you put in all that effort and then have an M16 that claims to be a nam era(the only nam looking part is the barrel heat shied, the rest is wrong) then you've kinda run the marathon and given up in the last hundred meters.

I personally would go with the TM if you are on a budget. its appearance is pretty close and its colour is accurate although it would need some wear, or the G&P if its not much more expensive.
at least if you get the TM, you can later add the G&P receiver to it and you wont need to buy more accessories like heatshield, pistol grip, stock etc etc. if you did this with the AGM then you would have to source all these parts aswell as the G&P receiver.

Good info, but personally I'm not bothered much about asthetics - even an M16A3 with A1 handgrip and mags satisfies me enough, I won't be attending nam recreations, just normal skirmishes. My only vital question would be about the internals - AGM vs JG?

I know TM would be miles ahead but I just really dislike their receiver on the A1. It just seems....off. I think I might look into the G&P, but it would be more for the internals rather then realism...The JG one might be an OK choice, I assume their internals would trump AGM?

mle1324

TheDoc wrote: »

Another option is a custom build

It comes in cheaper then Classic Army m16's and about the same price as a G&P m16, even a little cheaper.

I got a G&G plastic m16, and replaced the body with a G&P m16a1 body and will soon be getting the front end to complete the rifle ( come august)

I was in a mad rush to hopefully get my rifle sorted asap when I got my kit, but thankfully Tony forgot to order the front end ( he says forgot but i know he did it to piss me off :P) And to be honest it was a good thing.

I dont "collect" guns, I intend to use them.

And there doesn't seem to be any nam events that I can bloody get too, where I know theres people who are going to be in atleast 70% accurate era gear.

Not trying to sound elitist or anything, but after the dosh ive put into this loadout i'd be a bit " oh for **** sake" if i went to a nam event and saw an m4a1..

Take it as a longterm project if your not loaded with money and gather pieces when you can, like im doing at the moment. It always gives you something to read on and when you do assemble the whole thing it will be a great feeling.

I'm just going to get a few prices on the TM and G&P of a few shops and take thing from there as i would not know how to change receivers and stuff like that (i didnt even know how to remove a flash hider until today and that was a challenge:p) but if it works out cheper i might do that then.

Doc was your plastica a A2? How much did it set you back?

If somebody was to join a team with a M4 or even a G36 then they should be not alloud to play but if there M16 is getting fixed or something like that it would be different.

And like what your doing Doc getting bits and bobs every so often is what i will be doing as i am not made of money unfortually:( .(unless me Da wins the lotto:pac:),the first thing i do want to get thought is the gun then the BDU then chest rig and then M1 helmet and get the other small stuff on ebay.

Masada

The JG one is better than the AGM but it uses the JG V2 gearbox of old and it can be prone to cracking at the cylinder head and another common one is the trigger post can snap off (just like the common G3 problem). both these problems need a new gearbox shell to fix but you might be alright with one, its 50/50.

TerrorFirmer

Masada wrote: »

The JG one is better than the AGM but it uses the JG V2 gearbox of old and it can be prone to cracking at the cylinder head and another common one is the trigger post can snap off (just like the common G3 problem). both these problems need a new gearbox shell to fix but you might be alright with one, its 50/50.

Doesn't say much about the AGM internals then does it! No new revision for the M16A1 then? Do any JG M16 range use v3? I think I may just get a quote on the G&P/TM. Internals are far more important to me then externals/build material. Thanks for the info.