Palin Quits

LostinKildare

Calling an adult man of African descent "boy" is generally regarded to be a racist insult. Careful there.

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

Calling an adult man of African descent "boy" is generally regarded to be a racist insult. Careful there.

You're seeing what you want to see. He was "Their boy" because they were openlly rooting for him. If Hillary had won the nomination she would have been "their girl" and last time I checked she was White. Unless she pulled a Michael Jakcson that I'm not aware of.

LostinKildare

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You're seeing what you want to see. He was "Their boy" because they were openlly rooting for him. If Hillary had won the nomination she would have been "their girl" and last time I checked she was White.

I'm not seeing what I want to see -- I don't want to see that. Aside from the "boy" label, calling an adult woman a "girl" is patronizing. Words have have connotations whether you intend them or not. I do accept that that wasn't your intention, though.

But to get back to your claim that Palin and her children have been treated worse than any Democrat and her children, you've got to be kidding. John McCain and Rush Limbaugh famously made nasty jokes about Chelsea Clinton when she was a child. And many, many articles and books have been written about the sexist media treatment of Hillary Clinton -- that is, attacking her as a woman, rather than for a lack of ability or political stances that people find objectionable (the main reason Palin is criticized). Palin's advice to Clinton on dealing with unfair criticism was to quit whining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Y8FKAsxmk

Too bad she couldn't do the same, eh?

And you must have missed the brouhaha last week over the nasty racist comments about 11-year-old Malia Obama on the discussion boards at the mainstream conservative website FreeRepublic:
"A typical street whore." "A bunch of ghetto thugs." "Ghetto street trash." "Wonder when she will get her first abortion." etc., etc.

Here's the link: http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Conservative+Free+Republic+blog+free+speech+flap+after+racial+slurs+directed+Obama+children/1782375/story.html

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

I'm not seeing what I want to see -- I don't want to see that. Aside from the "boy" label, calling an adult woman a "girl" is patronizing. Words have have connotations whether you intend them or not. I do accept that that wasn't your intention, though.

You are if you're looking that deep. You were wrong for trying to play the race and you won't admit it. You have absolutely no credibility left.

jank

Many people on this board are reasonable and can see there is 2 sides to the story.

Even PJ on his good days. But JohnMc1 there is no reasoning with him. He will not respond to valid questions put to him as it weakens his argument. He will NOT respond to the argument used by lostinkildare as with the treatment of children by both sides of the spectrum is not one way traffic.
He will ignore 90% of a post and take issue with a nothing point.

I am still waiting for those John Kerry links BTW.

It is not about changing opinions here, it is the fact that if one basis his/her opinion of falsehoods then their opinion is factually wrong. Therefore their opinion has little if no merit. You are entitled to an opinion of course but not on false or made up facts. Thats how myths like Jews being sub human became recognized as fact in 1930's Germany......

jank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbpt9yjl948

Just for good meassure. Don't you love Dick "Palin is the new Reagan" Morris.

Overheal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

They dragged her family for God sake. They mocked Bistol for having a child. Hell the NY Times the other day just called her Balding,Stupid Bitchy and erratic and this is over 6 months after their "boy" Obama [they even published Obama owes them for getting him elected] won.

You know as well as I do no Democrat Woman would be treated like that. Especially their family.

Remember when Hillary shed a single tear and got her approval rating to go up 20 points?

"I...*sniff* I just want whats best for America "

Its true though. Media didn't **** with Hillary's personal life during the campaign. Not that im changing my mind. Palin is still unelectable property.

LostinKildare

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You are if you're looking that deep. You were wrong for trying to play the race and you won't admit it. You have absolutely no credibility left.

Will this be your excuse for dodging substantive debate? Forget it. I see those things because I'm trained to.

So what do you say about the poor put-upon children of Democrats? Do you think Obama should resign because some Freeper called Malia a street whore?

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

Will this be your excuse for dodging substantive debate? Forget it. I see those things because I'm trained to.

LOL @ your dodging. You played the race card and it backfired. Instead of detracting it you're still playing the "I was right and he made a racist remark. So I'm going to cry about it." card.

LostinKildare

JohnMc1, fer crissakes, grow up. I didn't "play the race card." I didn't call you a racist. I pointed out that you should be careful tossing around the word "boy" (because it has racist connotations). You knew that it has racist connotations, because without my having said so explicitly, you immediately denied that you were being racist. So that means that either (1) you used it purposely in full knowledge that it might be interpreted as racist, or (2) you used it innocently, without that intended meaning. I don't know what's in your head, I don't even know you. But I give you and everyone I meet the benefit of the doubt that it's (2). I point it out because I care about words and language and the tenor of political debate.

Most people would just say "that's not what I meant" and move on (and in the best scenario, maybe not call Obama "boy" anymore because they can accept that it's offensive to other people and therefore derails discussion). But you choose to cry that you're being victimized and refuse to participate in debate any longer. How appropriate in a thread about Sarah Palin quitting.

JohnMc1

Yes you did. I did not refer to Obama and you know it. I referred to him "their boy" as in their candidate. I could care less what you believe. Your refusal to retract that statement shows you need to grow up too.

Ruskie4Rent

OT. JohnMc1, you've a habit of ignoring questions.

You said that the left leaning media want people to believe that Palin is stupid, what do you think they have done to make people think that?

jank

thebman

Nody wrote: »

Claim that asbtinence is the route to help avoid teenage pregnancies while having her own daughter get pregnant.

In fairness she didn't have her own daughter get pregnant.

Her daughter got pregnant, I'd hope she wasn't present at the time.

Spiritoftheseventies

dooferoaks wrote: »

I think scarily she will have a punt at the presidential race next time round. She is still positively viewed in the Republican party, particularly the right wing of same, and Obama has a huge job on his hands in the next 3 and half years with finances and Afghanistan to name but two.

I say scary, as she showed some stunning lack of insight to anything outside of the US. Can't remember if the "I can see Russia from my house" quote is true, but I think it sums up my opinion of her. US electorate has been shown in the past not to worry about the world view, and although not a stellar performance as VP candidate in last election, all voters have short term memory.

That's my 10c worth, and to be fair to OP, seeing this thread was the first I had heard she was resigning from Gov of Alaska.

You have to wonder about someone who pulls out so early in her term as governor to run for President.

kev9100

i`d bet you anything that palin will be the republicans nomination for pres in 2012. But because she is SO conservative there is no way she will be elected. (THANK GOD LOL)

banquo

She'll run for the nomination and lose.

norbert64

it's all official now.
http://www.argus.ie/breaking-news/world-news/middle-east/palin-steps-down-as-governor-of-alaska-1841696.html

on a related note, a debate from the Factor the other nite, about Palin's favourability and future prospects.
The Huckster, the gorgeous Amanda Carpenter and a Dem Strategist present.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9GeAt1GB8

Sadly the Dem comes off like a bit of a jack4ss, although he manages to save a little face thanx to Amanda and her Coulter and Malkin as victims idear.

Spiritoftheseventies

norbert64 wrote: »

it's all official now.
http://www.argus.ie/breaking-news/world-news/middle-east/palin-steps-down-as-governor-of-alaska-1841696.html

on a related note, a debate from the Factor the other nite, about Palin's favourability and future prospects.
The Huckster, the gorgeous Amanda Carpenter and a Dem Strategist present.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9GeAt1GB8

Sadly the Dem comes off like a bit of a jack4ss, although he manages to save a little face thanx to Amanda and her Coulter and Malkin as victims idear.

Amazing how there is talk of Palin running for president just half a year into Obamas first year. How is she fit to serve American people when she cannot fulfil a full term in Alaska. mind boggling.

thebman

Hopefully she goes away, never comes back and I forget she ever existed.

If she does run for election for presidentcy I would look upon it as the Republicans throwing in the towel and admitting Obama is going to be there for 2 terms to themselves.

Manic Moran

bayviewclose wrote: »

Amazing how there is talk of Palin running for president just half a year into Obamas first year. How is she fit to serve American people when she cannot fulfil a full term in Alaska. mind boggling.

Wait, how many full terms did Obama serve as a Senator?

And there was no delay whatsoever when it came to talk of Hillary running for President as soon as she announced she was going to run for Senator in New York.

She's in good company on that score.

NTM

Spiritoftheseventies

Manic Moran wrote: »

Wait, how many full terms did Obama serve as a Senator?

And there was no delay whatsoever when it came to talk of Hillary running for President as soon as she announced she was going to run for Senator in New York.

She's in good company on that score.

NTM

if im right Obama worked his way up the ladder. Clinton was well known in New York before she entered race. What about Palin. Think people are just a bit miffed that so soon after she lost out to McCain for presidential nom she stepped down as governor to make another go for president.

Black Swan

Manic Moran wrote: »

Wait, how many full terms did Obama serve as a Senator?

Obama completed three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. Elected in 2004 he served 4 of the 6 years as US Senator from Illinois before resigning to become president. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Except for two terms as mayor of tiny Wacilla, Alaska, from 1996 to 2002, Sarah Palin resigned after only serving one year as Alaska's oil and gas commissioner, followed by resigning half way through her first term as Governor. Her support is eroding as a result of suddenly leaving her Alaska supporters in mid-stream. She looks like a quitter (When it gets "too hot in the kitchen," like my Galway Gran often quips, "You get out!").

Given this, I doubt that we have heard the last of her. There is talk of a book deal and going on the lecture circuit. This is good news for Jay Leno, who goes prime time in the fall and can use her frequent screw-ups in public for jokes, and comedian Tina Fey, who impersonates her expertly.

JohnMc1

Obama went from Organzing Acorn rallies to Senator and was only Senator for a couple of years. And Hilary only moved to NY just to run for Senator.

Anybody who is trashing Gov. Palin over this while still defending Obama and Hilary are HUGE hypocrites.

She did what was right for her state.. She was getting Bull**** ethics charges after Bull**** Ethics [16 in total currently. All thrown out] while all bull**** she still had to waste her time, States money and her own money to defend.

So spare me the whole She's a quitter garbage. I bet any of you mouthing off would run after the first charge if you were in her shoes.

As for her running for the President. If things don't change course between now and 2012 never underestimate the power of the "Anybody but Obama" vote. Plus the more she pisses off the liberals the more I like her.

Overheal

There is spin coming from every direction on this thread

>_>

<_<

I hate you all

All I know is she did a bunch of rambling it felt like in her speech last night. Im just waiting for Stewart and Colbert to sink their teeth in.

Manic Moran

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Obama completed three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.

Just two, one of which was a half-term, and not for lack of trying otherwise. The only reason he completed his 4-year-term starting after the 1998 election was that he was rather hammered in his bid for a seat in Congress in 2000. He was re-elected for another four-year term in 2002, only to abandon that in 2004 when he finally won his Congresisonal seat. Which he also left early. Source: The same wiki page.

At least, if Palin really is looking at a Presidential run, she's comitted enough to make it her focus, and not to sort of "ah, sure, I'll have a crack at it, and if it doesn't work out, I'll just fall back to the job I was originally elected for."

NTM

jank

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So spare me the whole She's a quitter garbage. I bet any of you mouthing off would run after the first charge if you were in her shoes.

But she is a quitter. She quit her job half way through. You cant dress it up any other way.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

As for her running for the President. If things don't change course between now and 2012 never underestimate the power of the "Anybody but Obama" vote. Plus the more she pisses off the liberals the more I like her.

That maybe true but unfortunately indpendants and moderates dont like her at all so that alone could torpedo any election bid.

TBH if Palin is the only hope the GOP have in 2012 then the party is in worse state that I originally thought.:eek:

jank

Manic Moran wrote: »

Just two, one of which was a half-term, and not for lack of trying otherwise. The only reason he completed his 4-year-term starting after the 1998 election was that he was rather hammered in his bid for a seat in Congress in 2000. He was re-elected for another four-year term in 2002, only to abandon that in 2004 when he finally won his Congresisonal seat. Which he also left early. Source: The same wiki page.

Do you think there is anything wrong with this?

Manic Moran wrote: »

At least, if Palin really is looking at a Presidential run, she's comitted enough to make it her focus, and not to sort of "ah, sure, I'll have a crack at it, and if it doesn't work out, I'll just fall back to the job I was originally elected for."

NTM

Not really, with a book deal, bookings on the speaking tour etc. she can now make a fortune doing whatever she wants to do. As a Governor although a book deal would still be on the cards (would be worth more though if you can spill some beans as she now can) you can't really charge for speaking at least I never heard of elected officials getting this. I have heard of former elected officials getting vast sums though which she will be in this case.

She in my opinion is trying to cash in on her fame and IF that leds to running in 2012 then so be it but I think her primary focus her is to make money, nothing else. Sure its the American way!:pac:

Manic Moran

Do you think there is anything wrong with this?

I'm saying that one can't go criticising Palin for failing to complete the job she was elected to do without applying such equal criticism to Obama.

NTM

jank

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm saying that one can't go criticising Palin for failing to complete the job she was elected to do without applying such equal criticism to Obama.

NTM

Equal criticism? It would be equal critisim if they both did the same thing but they didn't.

As far as I recall Obama got elected to the US Senate and was the reason why he didn't complete his term in the state senate. This is fact.

He ran for election to congress but got beaten. He kept his state senate seat as he was entitled to do. This is fact.

He did not just quit politics. He is still in politics. He did not take a time out to weigh up his options. This is also fact.
He got elected to a higher office. This is fact.
He did something pretty much all US politicians do. Clinton, Bush and many more all did this too. McCain would have had to give up his seat if he got elected and so too would Palin....... ironic eh!

Palin is different because she just quit half way through her term. Personally I don't care what she does or doesnt to. She is a media fodder that belongs on ET.

Obama and Palin are NOT the same. A man of your intelligence can tell the difference I am sure.