Square tallaght introducing pay parking ??

WarrenB

Looks like the Square in Tallaght are going to introduce pay parking. Drove through last night and the ticket machines are there in wooden boxes at all entrances to car parking.

Tabnabs

Fcuk that!! Their revenue is down so they screw over the consumer???

Paid parking, in Tallaght, really...?

voxpop

I thought they couldnt introduce paid parking as a restriction on building the shopping center was that local businesses could park there free of charge.


Tbh they have been trying to do this for about 6-7 years

vectra

Some shopping centers have those meters and gates which give you a ticket on the way in. You get around 2 hours free parking and pay for the excess.
They probably are going to use a similar system

spockety

If it's free for 2 hours, or they introduce a validation system (i.e. any of the shops can validate your parking if you make a purchase), then it's probably fair enough. I'd say that car park is abused a lot by people getting the Luas etc., it's usually packed.

If it's just straight up hourly payments, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Liffey Valley and Dundrum are only about 15 minutes away each, and you could easily argue they're better.

I live near the Square and use it regularly, but if straight up payment for parking comes in, it is just as handy for me to go to Dundrum down the M50.

polyfusion

vectra wrote: »

Some shopping centers have those meters and gates which give you a ticket on the way in. You get around 2 hours free parking and pay for the excess.
They probably are going to use a similar system

Sounds plausible - IIRC, there are signs up saying you should only park for 2 hours anyway. Probably in to prevent park-and-riders for the Luas. There used to be guys at the entrances in the mornings asking your business, presumably to dissuade park-and-riders - those guys (usually foreigners) will be out of a job now!

WarrenB

vectra wrote: »

Some shopping centers have those meters and gates which give you a ticket on the way in. You get around 2 hours free parking and pay for the excess.
They probably are going to use a similar system

I wouldnt be too sure about that. Greed will get the better of them and they will charge per hour.

This is what it will pay for and the rest will be pocketed to plug their funds gap
http://www.thesquare.ie/pages/transformation.html

Take a look at the before and after pic here of the "new" mall. Its hilarious
http://www.thesquare.ie/pages/transformation_mall.html

Basically what they are going to do is turn on more lights, and stick a few trendy looking people in there to walk around. Classic

irishthump

WarrenB wrote: »

Basically what they are going to do is turn on more lights, and stick a few trendy looking people in there to walk around. Classic

Oh, and don't forget polishing the floor....

Toots

irishthump wrote: »

Oh, and don't forget polishing the floor....

And those polystyrene circle things on the ceiling! :pac: I'd say they're a costly addition.

anotherlostie

I will never visit the Square again if I have to pay to park there. There's damn all in it as it is. Bus to town, or drive to Liffey Valley for me.

JohnC.

WarrenB wrote: »

Take a look at the before and after pic here of the "new" mall. Its hilarious
http://www.thesquare.ie/pages/transformation_mall.html

The after shot has Zavvi. Did nobody tell them?;)

Random

What a way to boost sales. People can't afford to go shopping as much because they don't have as much cash.

Solution? Let's charge them money to get to the shops before they even buy anything.

Yes, congrats, Ireland has done it again.

JustAddWater

This is rediculous and people only have themselves to blame.

Every day in the square I see:

Cars parked ALL the way along the double yellow lines (illegal of course) blocking up one of the 2 lanes meant to be there

Cars parked along the deicated walkway by f*cking idiots who think it's a space. People can't get by with buggies / trollies

People parking on the path outside the shops across the road from the multistory (manpower i think is there) That's highly illegal and I know because I got fined for it and won't be doing it again (lesson learned)

And to top it all off, every time I see this there's ample spaces in the multistory. It's just lazy ****es that won't go into the multstory to park. Nothing more to it

Therfore it has added to the daily cost of running / monitoring the car park keeping clowns like this from parking illegaly and therefore the cost had to be eventually passed down to the users

So a big round of applause to those of you who parked all over the place Hope you're happy now

ScouseMouse

I noticed this a few weeks ago. For the last while, they have had big neon lights trying to attract cars to park from Shamrock Rovers across the road. Do they see a cash cow?

parsi

Random wrote: »

What a way to boost sales. People can't afford to go shopping as much because they don't have as much cash.

Solution? Let's charge them money to get to the shops before they even buy anything.

Yes, congrats, Ireland has done it again.

Blackpool in Cork has had it since Day 1 but allows 3hours (or so) free parking which is plenty time.

Random

parsi wrote: »

Blackpool in Cork has had it since Day 1 but allows 3hours (or so) free parking which is plenty time.

Day 1? Fine. But introducing it to improve profits? Come off of it!

ejmaztec

Being in North Kerry, I've only visited The Square a couple of times over the years, but as in other shopping centres, like the Crescent in Limerick, all of the rents paid include service charges and all kinds of things, one of which would be a contribution towards the maintenance of car-parking facilities.

Perhaps some of the tenants have been putting the squeeze on the Tallaght management to pay reduced rents, thereby the management trying to recoup their losses by stupidly biting the hand that feeds i.e. charging the hard-pressed shopper to park his car.

If those idiots, and those other countless local-authority idiots around the country, weren't trying to get some easy money, a lot of people wouldn't be staying away from these places. They haven't got a clue, any of them.

nava

I'll say the main reason they are introducing the are introducing pay parking is to stop people parking there for the Day to take the Luas, staff from the council and maybe people from the apartments in the area, last time I was there early in the morning they had security staff asking people where they are going.

They couldn't charge much, parking in the M&S and Aldi car parks is €1 per hour (2 hours free if you buy in their shops) and €4 for a full day

The parking around Smyths Toys in Tallaght is been pay parking for years (20 min free) and they don't even validate tickets in you shop there.

Del2005

nava wrote: »

I'll say the main reason they are introducing the are introducing pay parking is to stop people parking there for the Day to take the Luas, staff from the council and maybe people from the apartments in the area, last time I was there early in the morning they had security staff asking people where they are going.

They couldn't charge much, parking in the M&S and Aldi car parks is €1 per hour (2 hours free if you buy in their shops) and €4 for a full day

The parking around Smyths Toys in Tallaght is been pay parking for years (20 min free) and they don't even validate tickets in you shop there.

I noticed around by Smyths recently they had changed the parking signs to pay all the time. Last time I was there they had big new stickers up saying 30min free.
Can't see the Square charging for the 1st 2 hours and after that they can't charge too much as you've said most places around are cheap. I'd say it's to get rid of Luas people or at least make some money off them.
But if they do start charging I won't be going back, nearly every shop they have can be found close by with free parking.

Victor

spockety wrote: »

I live near the Square and use it regularly, but if straight up payment for parking comes in, it is just as handy for me to go to Dundrum down the M50.

It might be a nicer shopping centre, but they also charge for parking.

grundie

I was speaking to one of the security guards at the square (Sq.?) and he tells me it because of the park and ride folks. They did surveys and found that at certain times something like 40% of the people who parked in the car park weren't actually using the centre.

It's the same at weekends, in many cases people who legitimately want to use the centre can't find parking.

The pricing scheme isn't yet finalised but it's probably going to be a 2hr free + pay the extra scheme.

They've had people go to the centre management office and rant about how they will have to pay to park and ride from now on as well.

Nody

grundie wrote: »

They've had people go to the centre management office and rant about how they will have to pay to park and ride from now on as well.

I'd love to take such a rant and simply serenly smile and say in my best Mr Burns voice "Excellent..."

the groutch

imo they should just have it as 3 hours max, and any longer you get clamped, that would get rid of the luas gang

Max_Damage

Pay for parking to go into a shopping centre full of skangers? No thanks.

I'll stick to either Nutgrove or Rathfarnham shopping centres.

Run_to_da_hills

spockety wrote: »

If it's just straight up hourly payments, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Liffey Valley and Dundrum are only about 15 minutes away each, and you could easily argue they're better.

Dundrum charges motorcyclists for parking with the exception of couriers doing drop offs.

bcirl03

Max_Damage wrote: »

Pay for parking to go into a shopping centre full of skangers? No thanks.

I'll stick to either Nutgrove or Rathfarnham shopping centres.

And they dont have skangers either????

Sids Not

bcirl03 wrote: »

And they dont have skangers either????

Of course they do silly...just a better class of skanger...;)

bcirl03

Sids Not wrote: »

Of course they do silly...just a better class of skanger...;)

Posh skangers - I like it

MunsterCycling

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Dundrum charges motorcyclists for parking with the exception of couriers doing drop offs.

How do they do it? Are the barriers so long they block the whole entrance? Been there but just can't remember. That is ridiculous, motos should be free and have their own set aside area to keep the cages away!

Run_to_da_hills

MunsterCycling wrote: »

How do they do it? Are the barriers so long they block the whole entrance? Been there but just can't remember. That is ridiculous, motos should be free and have their own set aside area to keep the cages away!

Two years ago they guys at each barrier stopping bikes from sneaking through. I argued with the bloke and said it would be my last time and it was. Not sure with the policy now, hopefully with the recession these guys are let go. Alternitivly you can park bikes near the Luas stop and walk up.

polyfusion

grundie wrote: »

They've had people go to the centre management office and rant about how they will have to pay to park and ride from now on as well.

Frikin' freeloaders! Good enough for them, lets hope they frik off from the area and start using the Red Cow instead. I work at the IT nearby, and there were serious problems with them coming into our place as well, as if it wasn't bad enough trying to get parking space with nearly every student having their own cars as well.

sdanseo

People dont see how common this is. The only remaining free carparks now are blanch and Liffey Valley; both have plenty of space and lots of shops to pay rent. The square will most likely go along the route of charging miniscule amounts for hours 3, 4 and 5 and then introduce big bucks charges after 5 hours so people can't park all day.

For example: The pavilions in swords charges nothing for 2 hours, €1 for the third hour, €2 for two extra hours, a fiver for five hours and then it goes up exponentially to about €20 after 8 hours. Makes sense. All you gotta do if youre going to shop till you literally drop is move your car once.

CyrildoSquirrel

Hi there, it's me, one of the guys who used to have to ask you "What is the purpose of your visit to the square". (The good-looking one )

The purpose of the paid parking is to either get rid of the Luas users or to profit from them, and when I was there the talk was of 3 hours of free parking before an hourly charge kicks in.

Sids Not

bcirl03 wrote: »

Posh skangers - I like it

Yeah, they get their nanny's to push the pram for them......:D

nava

Got a leaflet yesterday getting to the square about the new charges, they will start from 1st of Sept below is a copy of it. They give 1st 15 min free.

Also noticed at the entrance to the Super Value carpark that they have the charges, €1 per hour to a max €3 per day, M&S and Aldi carpark are only to a max of €4 per day.

Del2005

nava wrote: »

Got a leaflet yesterday getting to the square about the new charges, they will start from 1st of Sept below is a copy of it. They give 1st 15 min free.

Also noticed at the entrance to the Super Value carpark that they have the charges, €1 per hour to a max €3 per day, M&S and Aldi carpark are only to a max of €4 per day.

I can see a lot of the smaller shops loosing out with this. I'd sometimes stop off in the Square to pick up something from a different store to those listed, but if I have to spend €1 to do that they can keep it. And I'd say a lot of people would be the same.

How long before the go 1hour free?

Edit...

Just noticed also that if you spend €15 in the shops you get free parking, but in the same sentence they say you get 3 hours free. People definately won't be happy if they spend the amount in the shops and then still have to pay.

ScouseMouse

I saw a big explanatory sign outside the cinema the other night.

The first couple of hours will be one euro, but the fee is waived if you spend fifteen euro in either, Dunnes, Tesco or Debenhams. If you go to the cinema, there is no charge whatsoever.

The smaller shops will loose out on this. If I want to go to BurgerKing or Eddie Rockets, I will not pay for parking. I will go to the drive through BK or Citywest for ER.

Same as if I need to go to Easons, I will not pay. I will go to Liffey Valley, even though I dont like it.

WillieCocker

This was a long time coming for the Square car parks.
Hopefully it will cut down on the amount of pieces of **** parked beside you that almost always end up dinking the door of your car.:mad:

tallus

I'd have to echo some of the sentiment posted here about people parking illegally and secondly the Luas people abusing the privelige of a free car park. It really pisses me off to see the amount of cars illegally parked on double yellow lines, I'd love to see them getting clamped.
For the record, the maximum stay in the Square car park is three hours.
My feeling is that the main reason for the charges being brought in is the Luas parking.

bungler

WarrenB wrote: »

I wouldnt be too sure about that. Greed will get the better of them and they will charge per hour.

This is what it will pay for and the rest will be pocketed to plug their funds gap
http://www.thesquare.ie/pages/transformation.html

Take a look at the before and after pic here of the "new" mall. Its hilarious
http://www.thesquare.ie/pages/transformation_mall.html

Basically what they are going to do is turn on more lights, and stick a few trendy looking people in there to walk around. Classic

where's the prams?

Jarren

bungler wrote: »

where's the prams?

+1

Appleguy

****ing beige idea if ever i heard one.

Cant get people into the shops anymore and now theyre going to start charging you to go there.

Stupid ****ers, well never going to the square again. Liffey Valley is only an exit or two down. I'll do all my shopping there. Has everything the square has and more.

I feel sorry for the staff who will more than likely have to pay the €15 a week to park their car there.

darc

About time they had some control on their carpark.

For the few times I go to the square I'm am sick of spending 20minutes trying to find a parking space and even then having to walk for 10mins to get to the store i want to go to.

By getting rid of all the luas & local office free loaders I might be able to find a space quickly and closer to the store I want to go to. - Easily worth a euro!

For the few people they will lose to the parking charges, the additional customers they will gain by have a far better parking system will be worth it.

BTW - Liffey Valley will have to introduce parking charges as part of the planning consent for their extension.

kirving

The Square will also make a fair bit from people going to Shamrock Rovers matches, they probably realised how much they could make from matchgoers(and luas) and thought it was finally the time to install the barriers.

big syke

Appleguy wrote: »

****ing beige idea if ever i heard one.

Cant get people into the shops anymore and now theyre going to start charging you to go there.

Stupid ****ers, well never going to the square again. Liffey Valley is only an exit or two down. I'll do all my shopping there. Has everything the square has and more.

I feel sorry for the staff who will more than likely have to pay the €15 a week to park their car there.

Theres a staff car park on the top level holds about 100 or so cars. its the free loaders who ruined it for everybody parking there 5 days a week for 9 or ten hours. Good enough for them. i do shopping every week in dunnes i will be happy to get my ticket validated so i can finally get a parking space. Its a disgrace that you should have to wait 30-40 min for a space on a tuesday morning.

Appleguy

big syke wrote: »

Its the free loaders who ruined it for everybody. Good enough for them. i do shopping every week in dunnes i will be happy to get my ticket validated so i can finally get a parking space. Its a disgrace that you should have to wait 30-40 min for a space on a tuesday morning.

Your missing the point there though. I agree its the freeloaders who ruined it but i'm no freeloader and its ruined for me too, and i'm sure many others.
Fine this might suit people who shop in Dunnes, Tesco or the other stores which can validate your ticket but what about the people who shop in the smaller shops?

I go up there and would often spend a couple of hundred on clothes and in HMV and maybe Dixons that without even thinking about it.
But i go to my local Dunnes for shopping. Why should i have to pay for parking when i'm spending €100's?
I'm shopping in the Square amnt i, just like everybody else.

Its the smaller shops who will pay for it in the end. Fine they needed to implement something but went the wrong way about it in my opinion.
I would be content if they said right if you spend a tenner anywhere in the square your parking is free.

On the positive side Dunnes in Kilnamanagh is in for a treat!

Del2005

Appleguy wrote: »

Your missing the point there though. I agree its the freeloaders who ruined it but i'm no freeloader and its ruined for me too, and i'm sure many others.
Fine this might suit people who shop in Dunnes, Tesco or the other stores which can validate your ticket but what about the people who shop in the smaller shops?

I go up there and would often spend a couple of hundred on clothes and in HMV and maybe Dixons that without even thinking about it.
But i go to my local Dunnes for shopping. Why should i have to pay for parking when i'm spending €100's?
I'm shopping in the Square amnt i, just like everybody else.

Its the smaller shops who will pay for it in the end. Fine they needed to implement something but went the wrong way about it in my opinion.
I would be content if they said right if you spend a tenner anywhere in the square your parking is free.

Have to agree with this, many a time I'd drop up to the Square to buy something in a shop other then the validating shops. I won't be going there from Tuesday to buy anything in the other shops if I have to pay a Euro for the pleaseure.

On the flyer it says any purchase in UCI will validate a ticket. Could you get a sweet from the pic and mix and get your parking validated?

gerrycollins

Del2005 wrote: »

Have to agree with this, many a time I'd drop up to the Square to buy something in a shop other then the validating shops. I won't be going there from Tuesday to buy anything in the other shops if I have to pay a Euro for the pleaseure.

On the flyer it says any purchase in UCI will validate a ticket. Could you get a sweet from the pic and mix and get your parking validated?

I hope they learn the lesson very quickly to include any shop in the free parking agreement.

Appleguy

There should have invested in a few machine on each floor that you can validate your own parking ticket once you have a receipt for over €10 from any shop.


I won't be going to the SQ (:D) anymore but i can picture the scene already...

30 people in the queue in dunnes stores, 4 with purchases, 26 waiting to have their parking tickets validated with one employee struggling with the only validating machine.

How long you reckon the 4 will wait?

seagull

They should have made it at least an hour free. That would keep out the people parking for the Luas, but still allow most people enough time to get their shopping done. They also need to have any store validate the parking ticket as long as a minimum spend is met.

tall chapy

If it was freeloaders who ruined it, why did they not give 1 or 2 hours free parking. I was told about this years ago. Having said that I thought they would never introduce it. This was done to take advantage of the Luas riders and drag business & people away from the offical park and ride which I think is dearer per day.