On diet, starving hungry!

Copper23

Hi all,
A general question. Is it right to be REALLY REALLY hungry.

I've been tracking my food intake on livestrong.com 's daily plate which is really cool.

I put my target to loose 2lbs a week and I want to keep it up for 2 months to get to my ideal weight.

I'm trying not to overeat as i can see how where I probably was and I'm going to gym every night. I was doing well all the last week but today I'm starved! I'm at around 2500 calories today which is just breaking even....

I felt I didn't eat much, I'm starving but my calorie intake has been huge today it seems. I don't get it.


I had cereal for breakfast, sandwich at lunch(and bag of tayto, whoops), sandwich after work and a yogert after workout... I was starving to I had a glass of low fat milk and a biscuit.


I'm starved, is this normal? I overate today!?!?

mloc

Too much carbs dude.

Try reducing your carbs intake (less bread, rice, pototoes, cereals etc) and increasing fibre... lots more green veg, beans and so on. So more protein wouldnt go amiss either.

googlehead

Copper23 wrote: »

Hi all,
A general question. Is it right to be REALLY REALLY hungry.

I've been tracking my food intake on livestrong.com 's daily plate which is really cool.

I put my target to loose 2lbs a week and I want to keep it up for 2 months to get to my ideal weight.

I'm trying not to overeat as i can see how where I probably was and I'm going to gym every night. I was doing well all the last week but today I'm starved! I'm at around 2500 calories today which is just breaking even....

I felt I didn't eat much, I'm starving but my calorie intake has been huge today it seems. I don't get it.


I had cereal for breakfast, sandwich at lunch(and bag of tayto, whoops), sandwich after work and a yogert after workout... I was starving to I had a glass of low fat milk and a biscuit.


I'm starved, is this normal? I overate today!?!?

I have lost over a about 17lbs in a few months. I was not to much overweight. but I only really started loosing weight when I got my diet right.
I am training also.

these are the main ones that I think seem to work for me

Breakfast: Porridge with some honey or a bit of peanut butter in it.
or

Scambled eggs with 2 buttered slices of Bruggen Low GI linseed bread.

both these breakfasts. espcially the scrambled eggs and Bruggen bread
will really leave you filled up for ages.

I eat at least 2 eggs every day, 3 if i have scrambled eggs.

If I don't have the bread and scrambled eggs in the morning I will eat 2 boiled
eggs, 2 slices of bruggen bread on peanut butter for lunch.

but I will only eat 2 slices of Bruggen bread a day. maybe anothher at night if I am really hungry.

dinner is mostly tomato based curries, plenty of veg and usually no or very little white rice and a small nan bread.

low fat cottage cheese and rivata for snacks.

so the main ones are;

Eggs
Bruggen Bread
low fat cottage cheese
peanut butter

metamorphosis

The reason you are hungry is because your diet is unbalanced.

Cereal for brekkie is not an ideal way to start the day. People do not realise that their breakfast cereals are full of sugar regardless of whether they taste sweet or not. Result: full for a short time as your body sugars will crash. This will lead you to go for more carbs which is bad.

2 sandwiches? Too much bread especially if white. White bread will play havoc on your sugar levels and you might as well be eating chocolate!

If you must have cereal have either shredded wheat or weetabix. They are the only 2 decent ones. No added sugar meusli also. However this extremley calorie dense and a portion size is miniscule. Porridge like googlehead said. Stick to unrefined carbs like porridge and brown rice etc. Why? As they release energy slowly into the bloodstream keeping you fuller for longer.

Ditch the sandwiches imo. Make a big salad and add lean meat like chicken/turkey or fish like prawns or tuna. Throw in some egg , basil etc. Very very filling and you can add in good fats like avacado ot nuts like brazils/almonds.

You need yo up your protein intake and your fat intake. FATS are not bad. Tuna/nuts/avacao/guacamole are all excellent fats for heart health and maintaining good skin.

Snack on things like natural yogurt, cottage chesse, nuts.

Diet is essential to changing your body shape along with a training regime.

Good luck.

EileenG

What they said.

A very simple way to improve your diet is that anytime you would normally have a sandwich, you keep the filling but eat a HUGE green salad instead. And anywhere you'd normally have pasta, you ditch and eat a massive pile of green veg. You'll eat the same volume of food, but save about 500 calories a day, and improve your nutrition.

Not saying you can't have the occasional bit of bread, but they shouldn't be the basis of any meal. Fresh whole foods like fish, eggs, meat, chicken, lots of green veg, some dairy, nuts, fruit and wholegrains.

Try eggs or porridge for breakfast, much better than cereal.

rubadub

EileenG wrote: »

you keep the filling but eat a HUGE green salad instead.

Yeah, like instead of a burger I would fry up lean mince, or turkey mince and dump it in a bowl of shredded iceberg lettuce with mustard & a little ketchup. The roll of a burger has as many calories as the 1/4er burger itself. Bread is a real waste of calories IMO, people do not appreciate it for the calories it gives. Many think it is an essential thing since they are so used to eating it.

If you crave bread have some ryvitas instead.

EileenG wrote: »

Try eggs or porridge for breakfast

Or both, I have even stopped liquidising my oats, just mix porridge oats with an egg and little milk and fry it to make pancakes, I mix in sultanas now and it is sort of like a big flat scone.

Protein satisfies hunger very well.

El_Dangeroso

This is going to sound counter-intuitive, but fill up on fat.

Replace the junky carbs with olive oil on salads, avacados, eggs, bacon and butter on dark green veg. You'll not only feel sated all the time but you'll naturally eat far less too.

Skimmed milk is what farmers give pigs to fatten them up because it makes them ravenous with hunger.

EileenG

True.

Or try eating steak for breakfast. Right now, there's lots of thin cut BBQ steak around that cooks in seconds, and I swear, you'll be stuffed until mid afternoon.

Spiritoftheseventies

Do you know what your BMI is. Ie body mass index is. This tells you what your weight is in terms of your height. I think the idea is not to put on weight or lose weight but to stabilize it. starving yourself not a good idea but eating right foods is important. less alcohol, less sugar etc.

The_Conductor

Copper23 wrote: »

I had cereal for breakfast, sandwich at lunch(and bag of tayto, whoops), sandwich after work and a yogert after workout... I was starving to I had a glass of low fat milk and a biscuit.


I'm starved, is this normal? I overate today!?!?

As per the above comments- you're focusing on the wrong foods.

Complex carbs first thing in the morning- e.g. muesli or brown bread/toast along with a small amount of protein (poached egg for example).

Lunch- keep away from sandwiches. Fibrous fruit along with things like simple soups can fill you remarkably (and rather surprisingly soup stays in your stomach for a considerable length of time). Some protein- such as fish or lean meat (grilled or poached not fried), would also be a good idea at this stage.

Dinner- you are focusing on protein and veg- with a minimal amount of complex carbs. Avoid noodles or white rice like the plague. Simple sauces based on tomato or onion and flavoured with readily available herbs and spices- can be absolutely amazing. Just because you're keeping an eye on your diet doesn't mean your food can't taste absolutely delicious. You might like to explore mushrooms and/or other veg that you can make creative, filling yet low calorie dishes from. Focus on trying to get a good mix of vitamins and other nutrients- don't exclude any essentials.

You are trying to eat a complex variety of healthy low calorie foods- avoiding simple sugars and fats, this should be supplemented with an exercise regime suited to your current fitness level. You should not be trying to starve yourself- its counterproductive and will not result in achieving a sustainable weight loss.

Your target weight loss must take your current BMI and health and fitness into account. Its a very bad idea to simply pick a figure out of the sky (e.g. 2lbs weightloss a week per week for 8 weeks) in isolation of your general health and well being, a sensible exercise regime for you, and targets that are attainable in a healthy and sustainable manner.

Shane

El_Dangeroso

smccarrick wrote: »

Your target weight loss must take your current BMI and health and fitness into account. Its a very bad idea to simply pick a figure out of the sky (e.g. 2lbs weightloss a week per week for 8 weeks) in isolation of your general health and well being, a sensible exercise regime for you, and targets that are attainable in a healthy and sustainable manner.

Shane

I agree, 1lb a week is far more achievable and sustainable.

I wouldn't avoid fat though, good fats are the cornerstone of a weight loss regime.

all_smilz

Skimmed milk is what farmers give pigs to fatten them up because it makes them ravenous with hunger.[/quote]


are you freaking SERIOUS? But i dont like wholemilk....

corkcomp

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

This is going to sound counter-intuitive, but fill up on fat.

Replace the junky carbs with olive oil on salads, avacados, eggs, bacon and butter on dark green veg. You'll not only feel sated all the time but you'll naturally eat far less too.

Skimmed milk is what farmers give pigs to fatten them up because it makes them ravenous with hunger.

they dont give skimmed milk to pigs because it is more fattening than whole milk - it is done because the skimmed milk is what is left after the top is skimmed off to produce cream + butter etc ...

The_Conductor

corkcomp wrote: »

they dont give skimmed milk to pigs because it is more fattening than whole milk - it is done because the skimmed milk is what is left after the top is skimmed off to produce cream + butter etc ...

I genuinely thought he was joking?

Jumpy

rubadub wrote: »

Or both, I have even stopped liquidising my oats, just mix porridge oats with an egg and little milk and fry it to make pancakes, I mix in sultanas now and it is sort of like a big flat scone.

Protein satisfies hunger very well.

That sounds awesome.

rubadub

corkcomp wrote: »

they dont give skimmed milk to pigs because it is more fattening than whole milk - it is done because the skimmed milk is what is left after the top is skimmed off to produce cream + butter etc ...

They give whey to pigs too as it is regarded as waste. But could it not be done for both reasons (cheap waste & fattening). I have read about pigs getting fatter while on skimmed milk before, and advising against humans drinking it for this reason. I searched before a few times and found nothing.

This was where I saw it first. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/07/don-t-be-misled-by-dairy-ads.aspx

“Low-Fat” Milk Makes You Fat – Full Fat Raw Milk Doesn’t

It’s common knowledge among farmers that pigs fed skimmed milk gain weight easily, whereas pigs fed whole milk stay lean. A 2005 study published in the Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, found that this seeming paradox holds true for humans as well. After following almost 13,000 children (ages 9-14 years) for three years, they found that weight gain was associated with drinking reduced-fat and skim milk. However, they also concluded that it wasn’t dairy fat itself that caused the weight gain, but rather the excess calories.

Okay. So wouldn’t drinking whole raw milk have the same effect?

Not necessarily. Because the butterfat in whole raw milk, particularly butterfat in milk from cows that graze freely on green pasture, contains unique nutrients that support thyroid function and help your body develop muscle rather than fat.

that site does have some oddball & sensationalist articles though.

EileenG

corkcomp wrote: »

they dont give skimmed milk to pigs because it is more fattening than whole milk - it is done because the skimmed milk is what is left after the top is skimmed off to produce cream + butter etc ...

True, but also because it fattens them up. They tried using coconut oil to fatten up cattle (seems logical, right?) but found they were getting skinny cows with very shiny coats.

corkcomp

EileenG wrote: »

True, but also because it fattens them up. They tried using coconut oil to fatten up cattle (seems logical, right?) but found they were getting skinny cows with very shiny coats.

LOL - coconut oil wouldnt exactly be in abundance on farms in MOST parts of the globe ... where as the by product of butter / cream churning is a different story!! most farm animals will eat almost anything which is why it is useful to give them skimmed milk + old vegetables + basically anything that would otherwise go to waste!

all_smilz

EileenG wrote: »

True, but also because it fattens them up. They tried using coconut oil to fatten up cattle (seems logical, right?) but found they were getting skinny cows with very shiny coats.

will it do same for my hair?

The_Conductor

EileenG wrote: »

True, but also because it fattens them up. They tried using coconut oil to fatten up cattle (seems logical, right?) but found they were getting skinny cows with very shiny coats.

The argument that skimmed milk is fattening- is a twisted argument, that has not to date been published in any major medical journal.

The hypothesis is that after you remove much of the milk solids and cream- that you are left with a lower fat- but still high lactose milk- and that it is the sugars in the milk, rather than the fat that are fat causing.

In a farming environment- it makes perfect sense to feed skim milk to piglets- as a source of carbs- when the current going rate is less than 6c a litre for the product. Farmers cannot find a wholesome source of carbs for piglets on a comparable price/cost ratio. (If you're interested- the wholesale price of regular milk is currently under 15c a litre- I'd love to know where the other 80c that the consumer pays goes- but thats not a topic for this forum).

So- to state that skimmed milk makes you fat- could equally be applied to- any drink containing sugar makes you fat. Yes- its true- if you don't utilise the carbs- they do make you fat.

Is lactose more likely to make you fat than sucrose (regular sugar) or glucose (the most fundamental sugar). Wholisitic food suppliers would have you believe it is- however scientifically- glucose- as the purest sugar, if unutilised in a timely manner- is more quickly converted to fats and other storage compounds, than is lactose (which is in fact two glucose chains chemically tied to each other- and which must be broken down by enzymes in the body (lactase) before it can be absorbed.

At the end of the day- skimmed milk is lower in calories than whole milk- because it has had its fat removed. It is not necessarily lower in sugar- and may in fact be in the region 6-8% by volume higher in sugar than whole milk. If you do not burn the calories you consume and digest- they are stored in one manner or another.

Farmers do not feed piglets skimmed milk specifically because its fattening- compared to whole milk- it isn't. They have a market for whole milk (albeit at incredibly poor prices), they do not have a comparable market for skim milk (its tiny in comparison). Relatively speaking its a waste product of cream/butter production- and feeding it to pigs makes incredibly good economic sense.

I hope I have clarified matters a little.

As with most things in life- its good in moderation. Don't kid yourself though that you're not getting carbs when you drink it- you certainly are.

El_Dangeroso

I'm not saying that skim milk versus equal quantities of whole will make you fatter, but it does make you hungrier as the fat and yes higher calories would otherwise fill you up.

My whole point is to focus on filling foods like others have mentioned and skimmed milk is not one of them..

corkcomp

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

I'm not saying that skim milk versus equal quantities of whole will make you fatter, but it does make you hungrier as the fat and yes higher calories would otherwise fill you up.

My whole point is to focus on filling foods like others have mentioned and skimmed milk is not one of them..

exactly! - if pigs were fed equal quantities they wouldnt get fatter on the skimmed milk ...

IMO your previous post on the topic was totally misleading in saying that pigs are fed skimmed milk because it "makes them revenous with hunger" as pointed out they are fed skimmed milk because it is left over after processing, its nothing to do with trying to induce hunger!

El_Dangeroso

corkcomp wrote: »

exactly! - if pigs were fed equal quantities they wouldnt get fatter on the skimmed milk ...

IMO your previous post on the topic was totally misleading in saying that pigs are fed skimmed milk because it "makes them revenous with hunger" as pointed out they are fed skimmed milk because it is left over after processing, its nothing to do with trying to induce hunger!

How do you think you think the milk makes the pigs weigh more if it doesn't make them eat more?

I mean there is a certain range of foods that a pig would be fed due to economic viability. But skimmed milk is singled out as something that aids weight gain in pigs in several farming books:

http://tinyurl.com/q9vqx2

Skim milk does induce hunger, it's simple physiology. Blood sugar rise is followed by a sugar drop, which leads to hunger. This isn't a contentious fact.

Also, there are peer reviewed published studies on this subject showing skimmed milk causes increased calorie intake:

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/159/6/543

corkcomp

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

How do you think you think the milk makes the pigs weigh more if it doesn't make them eat more?

I mean there is a certain range of foods that a pig would be fed due to economic viability. But skimmed milk is singled out as something that aids weight gain in pigs in several farming books:

http://tinyurl.com/q9vqx2

Skim milk does induce hunger, it's simple physiology. Blood sugar rise is followed by a sugar drop, which leads to hunger. This isn't a contentious fact.

Also, there are peer reviewed published studies on this subject showing skimmed milk causes increased calorie intake:

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/159/6/543

what i was trying to say is: pigs are NOT fed skimmed milk because it induces hunger, period. Pigs are always hungry and will KEEP EATTING if food is available which is why they do not have a constant supply of food available ...

rubadub

corkcomp wrote: »

exactly! - if pigs were fed equal quantities they wouldnt get fatter on the skimmed milk

If they were fed equal calorific quantities they might get fatter (or thinner) on the skimmed. It is wrong to presume that humans or animals get the same fuel efficiency from fuels that internal combustion engines do. Calories are calculated with engineering/industrial use in mine, NOT humans & weightloss. 100,000kcal of voda will not make you as fat as 100,000kcal of sugar.

corkcomp wrote: »

fed skimmed milk because it is left over after processing, its nothing to do with trying to induce hunger!

I was suggesting it could be for both reasons. The farming link study was quite interesting.

corkcomp wrote: »

Pigs are always hungry and will KEEP EATTING if food is available which is why they do not have a constant supply of food available ...

The food also costs money, so I expect the farmers want the best return on their feed. So they might get fatter pigs by feeding them the same calories of different foods.

corkcomp

rubadub wrote: »

If they were fed equal calorific quantities they might get fatter (or thinner) on the skimmed. It is wrong to presume that humans or animals get the same fuel efficiency from fuels that internal combustion engines do. Calories are calculated with engineering/industrial use in mine, NOT humans & weightloss. 100,000kcal of voda will not make you as fat as 100,000kcal of sugar.


I was suggesting it could be for both reasons. The farming link study was quite interesting.


The food also costs money, so I expect the farmers want the best return on their feed. So they might get fatter pigs by feeding them the same calories of different foods.

if we were to turn this back to humans rather then pigs for a minute, do you think if somebody was to add 1 litre of milk to their normal daily diet for a month that they would gain more weight on the skimmed milk, or not?

have to agree to disagree on that one .. IMO skimmed milk is only fed to pigs as it would otherwise be thrown away, it wouldnt make sense to give them whole milk as selling it to co-ops and / or using it for churning yields far greater returns ..

not sure what you mean here but the point I was trying to get across is that farmers have no need to induce hunger in pigs by giving them skimmed milk or any other foodstuff - pigs are always hungry anyway

rubadub

corkcomp wrote: »

if we were to turn this back to humans rather then pigs for a minute, do you think if somebody was to add 1 litre of milk to their normal daily diet for a month that they would gain more weight on the skimmed milk, or not?

I am not sure when it is 1L vs 1L, but if they had 1000kcal of skim milk & 1000kcal of whole milk in their diet I would expect the skim milk guys might put on more fat. They would be getting more carbs in their diet.

Also I am not sure if the calicum is "locked up" in the fat, I have read studies and saw a documentary on calcium in milk and how it works for of like those drugs which stop you absorbing fat, or clinging to fat and making it pass through you undigested. So overall you get less energy available to you.

Beks

You probably feel like you're starving because you are! If you're working out at the gym after eating so little you're burning off a load of calories. Sometimes I find that I've burned off more calories in exercise than I've actually consumed in a day (which isn't really a good idea if you're not eating very much at all). If you work out after hardly eating anything then you'll feel really faint and dizzy. Best thing is to bulk up on vegetables and protein. There's hardly any calories in vegetables but they fill you up a hell of a lot more, so you'll probably find you're much fuller AND you'll have fewer calories too!