Marking reported posts

seamus

I think feedback is the place for this. Would it be a good idea to mark posts when they've been reported, like they're marked when they've been infracted?

This may cut down on needless re-reporting of a post and can also flag reported posts to mods without having to check the actual reported posts forum, while they're skimming through the thread.

Example:


For mods/admins that red banner could be a link to the reported post thread.

Thoughts?

Cue Ross/Conor coming along and saying, "This isn't possible"

Time Magazine

A good idea. You can't thank your own posts, so maybe it'd be possible to remove the Report Post button in a similar fashion. The big red "Post Reported" thing looks a bit intimidating if it's just some sap reporting something because their knickers are in a twist.

Though sometimes it's useful to get more than one report on a post to gauge how offended people are.

seamus wrote: »

I think feedback is the place for this.

Development ftw?

oscarBravo

I'm not sure. I could see it leading to side-tracking - "what muppet reported my post??!" - and also it can be a good thing to have multiple people report a post.

seamus

Sorry I did mean to add - the report post button wouldn't disappear, it would still be available.

I can kind of see a number of pros and cons on this one, but I'm personally thinking it could do more good than harm.

The two major issues I see are
1. Threads derailed mid-way be, "Oh FFS what muppet reported my post" (however, plenty of people post "Reported" mid-thread)
2. Helpdesk threads started by idiots asking, "Why was my post reported, how can I reverse this?".

5starpool

Ya, I can't really see the positives on this one really. This is just to save duplicated reported posts, ya? If so, the downsides of on thread discussion (not just from the poster of it) is far greater than any upsides imo.

Also, this might lead to people saying 'Why has nothing been done about that reported post' as well as arguments about why it was reported, etc.

Not worth the hassle imo.

seamus

Yeah, it could be a bit distracting from the user's POV and it might break up a thread. I think it definitely has merit if displayed to the mods only. Still, I'd like to hear from people "on the ground" so to speak.

javaboy

The only advantage to this is cutting down on the number of duplicate reports.

The disadvantages are people getting stroppy about their posts being reported, people figuring out who reported their posts (not so far fetched in certain 1 on 1 threads), losing out on the "this post is so bad 40 people reported it" factor and some others I can't think of right now.

It could be handy if it's for mods eyes only but that's about it.

Ponster

Is this feedback or the mods lounge?

Like Oscar I think that multiple reports of the same post can be helpful. When a mod isn't too sure to take action or not the fact that the post has been reported several times can prehaps help them in forming a decision.

At the same time I do think I'd like to see it in action, at least as a trial run.

Earthhorse

I'm not too sure how reported posts work but would a better way to cut down on duplicates be to simply add a counter to the thread that gets started in the reported posts forum? So the first time a post is reported it starts a new thread and every subsequent time it adds to that thread. Maybe that's what happens already but I can see there being a lot of side tracking if a post appears as reported and a user wants to find out who reported them.

Sparky

This may be what you are after Fergal

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=191818

javaboy

Sparky wrote: »

This may be what you are after Fergal

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=191818

Sometimes a second or later reported post will contain important info that the first will not. e.g.

Post: John Doe woz snt 2 prsn 4 nt payin tax!

Report 1: txt spk

Report 2: I'm the person in question and I wasn't sent to prison for tax evasion. Please remove this.


I don't think the current system is broken.

6th

If I saw a post of mine had been reported it might cop me on and make me adjust my behaviour. I like this idea.

Karl Hungus

6th wrote: »

If I saw a post of mine had been reported it might cop me on and make me adjust my behaviour. I like this idea.

Yeah, but you're submissive.

Honestly, I think going about it in this way could only cause trouble, hassle, and a lot of work for mods. A much, much better way to go would be a user reporting a post gets highlighted text along the lines of This post has already been reported, are you sure you also want to report it?

javaboy

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Yeah, but you're submissive.

Honestly, I think going about it in this way could only cause trouble, hassle, and a lot of work for mods. A much, much better way to go would be a user reporting a post gets highlighted text along the lines of This post has already been reported, are you sure you also want to report it?

Then you'll end up with trolls testing to see if some of their posts have been reported and we're back to the "Who reported my post?" stuff.

Karl Hungus

javaboy wrote: »

Then you'll end up with trolls testing to see if some of their posts have been reported and we're back to the "Who reported my post?" stuff.

Aye that's a possibility, but it's not as "In your face" as what Seamus has put forward, and likely to go un-noticed most of the time.

javaboy

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Aye that's a possibility, but it's not as "In your face" as what Seamus has put forward, and likely to go un-noticed most of the time.

True but then the type of people to go on a crusade over one of their posts being reported are the type to compulsively test report each and every one of their own posts.

Karl Hungus

javaboy wrote: »

True but then the type of people to go on a crusade over one of their posts being reported are the type to compulsively test report each and every one of their own posts.

Disable a user's ability to report their own posts. Problem (if it would turn out to be a problem at all) solved.

Honestly, I think boards can be imposing enough as it is, the last thing we need is a big, gaudy signpost saying "You have done something bad!" and highlighting it to all the populace.

seamus

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Disable a user's ability to report their own posts. Problem (if it would turn out to be a problem at all) solved.

Honestly, I think boards can be imposing enough as it is, the last thing we need is a big, gaudy signpost saying "You have done something bad!" and highlighting it to all the populace.

I think you're right. The more I consider it, the more it will cause hassle to have these red banners all over the thread.

Would be a good one for mods though IMO...

Sully

I suggested something along the lines of when someone goes to report a post, there told its already been reported. The idea was shot down, and when it tried to recover, it was shot again (RIP idea ). Bascially mods prefered people reporting more the once as it gave indication as to a more active problem.

Eoin

Sully wrote: »

I suggested something along the lines of when someone goes to report a post, there told its already been reported. The idea was shot down, and when it tried to recover, it was shot again (RIP idea ). Bascially mods prefered people reporting more the once as it gave indication as to a more active problem.

As did I a good while back, but I think it's a valid point that the amount of reported posts can be important.

Earthhorse wrote:

I'm not too sure how reported posts work but would a better way to cut down on duplicates be to simply add a counter to the thread that gets started in the reported posts forum? So the first time a post is reported it starts a new thread and every subsequent time it adds to that thread.

That's what happens now.

6th

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Yeah, but you're submissive.

Clearly we havent met yet

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Honestly, I think going about it in this way could only cause trouble, hassle, and a lot of work for mods. A much, much better way to go would be a user reporting a post gets highlighted text along the lines of This post has already been reported, are you sure you also want to report it?

Thats another good way to do it but sometimes I'd like posters to know they are being reported. That said I hate when someone mentions in thread that they've reported someone.

Gummy Panda

I think it would be bad idea in regards to "Who reported my posts?" but could be a good idea in reducing "Post reported".

I hate people who report posts then make a post to tell everyone. Its basically flame baiting.

javaboy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I think it would be bad idea in regards to "Who reported my posts?" but could be a good idea in reducing "Post reported".

I hate people who report posts then make a post to tell everyone. Its basically flame baiting.

That's handy though when it's obviously a post that's going to get reported a lot though e.g. porn, obvious spam etc. In other cases it can add fuel to the fire.

Tar.Aldarion

I only think this would be good if reported posts went to different threads, but they appear on the same one, and it might be good to see multiple people thinking a post should be reported rather than one. However I would like to have a reported post highlighted to the mod on the thread.

AlmightyCushion

Could we have it so only the mods of the forum can see it (it would then have a link to the reported post thread). It would be handy to be able to see if a post was reported and then check the reported post thread to see what the other mods thoughts are on it.

Random

I like the idea Seamus but would have to suggest the "this post has been reported" is only visible to the relevant mods / admins.

Showing it to all users will just cause hassle and will lead to abuse of the reported post function and pointless helpdesk threads.

Ponster

I think that making it visable to mods-only would perhaps by too database-intensive.

Random

It already checks the DB to see if you're a mod for the purposes of editing peoples posts or showing the mod options - how would this be any more than a little bit of PHP code or JS?

Ponster

Random wrote: »

It already checks the DB to see if you're a mod for the purposes of editing peoples posts or showing the mod options - how would this be any more than a little bit of PHP code or JS?

I don't know but other suggestions in the past which involved generating an altered page for mods wasn't advised by the devs (or at least I think not).

oscarBravo

I'd agree with Random - DB problems stem from trying to change how a mod's posts appear to a regular user. Pages already look routinely different for mods, so the only extra DB access should be a check to see if the post has been reported.

(Sez he, without knowing much about how vbulletin's DB works...)

LuckyLloyd

5starpool wrote: »

Ya, I can't really see the positives on this one really. This is just to save duplicated reported posts, ya? If so, the downsides of on thread discussion (not just from the poster of it) is far greater than any upsides imo.

Also, this might lead to people saying 'Why has nothing been done about that reported post' as well as arguments about why it was reported, etc.

Not worth the hassle imo.

Agree.

javaboy wrote: »

Sometimes a second or later reported post will contain important info that the first will not. e.g.

Post: John Doe woz snt 2 prsn 4 nt payin tax!

Report 1: txt spk

Report 2: I'm the person in question and I wasn't sent to prison for tax evasion. Please remove this.


I don't think the current system is broken.

Agree.

If each report started a new thread behind closed doors it would be a problem. But the solution would be to merge those reports, not this.

Also, many, many reports have absolutely zero validity and are done because someone disagrees with the other side of a debate / personal vendettas, etc. Giving those people more of a reason to report and more benefit from reporting as a childish derailment tactic is a horrendous idea.

Rabies

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Could we have it so only the mods of the forum can see it (it would then have a link to the reported post thread). It would be handy to be able to see if a post was reported and then check the reported post thread to see what the other mods thoughts are on it.

What the man said.

Kinetic^

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Could we have it so only the mods of the forum can see it (it would then have a link to the reported post thread). It would be handy to be able to see if a post was reported and then check the reported post thread to see what the other mods thoughts are on it.

This

5starpool wrote: »

Ya, I can't really see the positives on this one really. This is just to save duplicated reported posts, ya? If so, the downsides of on thread discussion (not just from the poster of it) is far greater than any upsides imo.

Also, this might lead to people saying 'Why has nothing been done about that reported post' as well as arguments about why it was reported, etc.

Not worth the hassle imo.

but also this.

If it stays as is then fine. If it's changed to what AC states, fine.

All is fine.

AlmightyCushion

Kinetic^ wrote: »

If it stays as is then fine. If it's changed to what AC states, fine.

All is fine.

What about if the notice is changed to say Kinetic^ is a big stupid poo poo head. Is that fine?

Tar.Aldarion

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What about if the notice is changed to say Kinetic^ is a big stupid poo poo head. Is that fine?

I have no prblem with it being this:



:pac:

Ross

Moved to Development.

Pro tip: if it involves adding a feature, it goes in development.

seamus

Admin tip: If it's going to affect people at large, don't just enforce it on them at will

Ross

seamus wrote: »

Admin tip: If it's going to affect people at large, don't just enforce it on them at will

Why, then some of our most popular features would never have happened

Would like to keep all feature suggestions in this forum ( discussion is allowed here too ), the "new menu" thread in feedback being a semi-exception. I'd move it here, but it's pre-emptively located to avoid the tedium of feedback mods inevitably having to chop and move posts to a thread here.

Red Sleeping Beauty

5starpool wrote: »

Also, this might lead to people saying 'Why has nothing been done about that reported post' as well as arguments about why it was reported, etc.

Not worth the hassle imo.

I saw a different way of reporting posts on another discussion forum using ASP software. You report the post and then it creates a "ticket" which is essentially a thread/conversation thing but only you and the moderator can see it and reply to it and the mod can lock it. So you report the post, the moderator replies and then locks it and that's that.

Tar.Aldarion

Ross wrote: »

Moved to Development.

Pro tip: if it involves adding a feature, it goes in development.

Ay express tips, i'm too poor to pay for these pro tip editions.

TPD

Apologies for dragging up an old thread, but how about doing it this way;

Post can be reported by multiple users without any visual clue to other users,
Moderator takes action on the reported post,
Visual clue then becomes visible / Report button disabled

This way the post isn't reported after it has already been dealt with.

Kinetic^

If this was to be implemented then there's no way it should be made viewable by your average user, just moderators. You wouldn't believe some of the reported posts we get so if a user saw some of their posts being reported they could get turned off posting on here again.

TPD

Kinetic^ wrote: »

If this was to be implemented then there's no way it should be made viewable by your average user, just moderators. You wouldn't believe some of the reported posts we get so if a user saw some of their posts being reported they could get turned off posting on here again.

That's why it should only have any visible effect after a moderator has decided on and followed a course of action. It would remove the need for 'Banned!' posts too.