Is RTE Homophobic?

centre half

I think we should have a straight pride parade just to prove we are all equal???? Like seriously WTF? A lot of my friends are gay and a lot of them agree with me on this. The whole we want to be treated the same as everyone else and then go on acting completely the opposite by having a parade and such to show the world you are different than everybody else, and now start moaning because RTE (who don't show most things people are interested in) didn't give you enough air time?

Seriously get a life and go on with your life as NORMAL, because at the end of the day, THAT is what you are. But please stop moaning and bitching

Rant Over

Basq

"LOUD NOISES!"

mollzer

centre half wrote: »

Seriously get a life and go on with your life as NORMAL, because at the end of the day, THAT is what you are. But please stop moaning and bitching

Thank you! I wish everyone thought the same as you, yes we are all normal so treat us the same and give us the same choices as hetrosexual people!!
The bitching n moaning will only stop when that happens!

Dozen Wicked Words

The Simpsons.

A gay pride parade is crossing through Evergreen Terrace.

Man in Parade: We're hear, we're queer, get used to it!

Lisa Simpson: You do this every year. We ARE used to it.

Man in Parade: (dejectedly) Oh. OK then.

Hillel

basquille wrote: »

"LOUD NOISES!"

What are you trying to say???

Blarggggh

Hillel wrote: »

I started this thread to start a debate on the editoral direction within RTE – specifically the decision to downplay the Gay Pride series of events. I consider RTE's coverage to be biased and politically motivated. Does anyone share that view?

Clearly not






Read the thread! AFAIK the City Council were extremely supportive. The issue is the blatant lack of coverage of a substantial event by RTE, the national broadcaster. Instead much smaller events were given far greater exposure. [/quote]

What smaller events. Line up of Saturdays news

1) Loylasit decommsioning
2) Micheal Jackson
3) Air France search being called off
4) Murder in Dublin
5) Gay pride parade and 6000 people present not 10,000.
6) Childrens hospital ward closure

Now to be fair less people showed up at the ward closure demonstation. But its been front page news for the past week or so.

So they way I see it. If you want to be the lead story I think you have two options.

A) Have your parade on St Stephens day. A historically slow news day. Or,
Get Bigins to do your PR



[qoute]
You are!. The parade was far more than a small group of people walking down O'Connell St. It was a substantial event in the heart of the capital city. It was well presented, well attended, entertaining and very well supported. RTE's coverage did not reflect this. That is my concern. I would have the very same concern were any event of a similar scale censored by RTE.[/quote]

I dont think RTE have a anti gay agenda. Most of the people I know who work there are gay.

Blarggggh

Honestly your begining to sound like a cross between Daffyd from Little Britan and Brian Dowling

ntlbell

I would go out on a limb and say the vast majority of the RTE viewing public wouldn't give a hoot about a few homosexual's out for a walk

I think the fact that such a thing is allowed go ahead is disgraceful

nothing to do with being homophobic it's just a completely pointless act

being pointless rightly ignored by RTE.

Rowley Birkin QC

Hillel wrote: »

Read the thread! AFAIK the City Council were extremely supportive. The issue is the blatant lack of coverage of a substantial event by RTE, the national broadcaster. Instead much smaller events were given far greater exposure.

I did read the thread, did you read my reply??

MikeC101

I find the concept of gay "pride" to be a little strange really. I mean, why be proud of something you have no control over? I'm not proud of being heterosexual, it's just part of who I am. It feels a little absurd.

I don't know that it's all that newsworthy really - now if it was in support of a particular issue like gay marriage, and targeted and publicised as such, then it would probably be more newsworthy, rather than being some all encompassing vaguely defined issue of "pride".

Though obviously gay pride has to be taken in the context of years of repression, discrimination and intolerance, I can't help but wonder what the reaction to a "straight pride" march down O Connell street would be?

axer

Hillel wrote: »

Does anyone share that view?

No

Rippy

dooferoaks wrote: »

Now if they had hopped down there it would have been an achievement.

or skipped

Blarggggh

MikeC101 wrote: »

I can't help but wonder what the reaction to a "straight pride" march down O Connell street would be?

There would be uproar and everyone who took part would be branded a homophobic.

Hillel

Blarggggh wrote: »

Hillel wrote: »

Read the thread! AFAIK the City Council were extremely supportive. The issue is the blatant lack of coverage of a substantial event by RTE, the national broadcaster. Instead much smaller events were given far greater exposure.
It wasn't mentioned at all on the 6 o'clock news. It got a very brief mention on the 9pm bulletin. Meanwhile a small demonstration about Crumlin Hospital got extensive coverage, as did the ordination of three Roman Catholic priests.

What smaller events. Line up of Saturdays news

1) Loylasit decommsioning (Loyalists putting weaponry beyond use was appropriately first.)
2) Micheal Jackson (Topical and of substantial public interest.)
3) Air France search being called off (Topical and of substantial public interest.)
4) Murder in Dublin (Topical and of substantial public interest.)
5) Gay pride parade and 6000 people present not 10,000. (Reporting was minimal and innaccurate. Footage was from Dublin City Council. Estimate of attendance was 6000. (Corrected to 10,000 in todays reports see http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0628/civilpartnerships_av.html) No context for the parade, or interviews with participants. Whole thing thrown together to cover their asses!)
6) Childrens hospital ward closure. (Minor story, had already been covered previously. RTE crew on site, with substantial coverage.)
Now to be fair less people showed up at the ward closure demonstation. But its been front page news for the past week or so.
7) Ordination of Three Dublin Priests. Full RTE crew in attendance. (Parity of esteem, how are you!)

My comments in bold.

Blarggggh wrote: »

So they way I see it. If you want to be the lead story I think you have
two options.

A) Have your parade on St Stephens day. A historically slow news day. Or,
Get Bigins to do your PR

It wasn't "my" parade. My only involvement was as a spectator.
You're probably right about getting a PR company, though. (Maybe they did?)

Blarggggh wrote: »

Honestly your begining to sound like a cross between Daffyd from Little Britan ....

He's good, isn't he. Would they give me a job, do you think?:P

Quentinkrisp

"I think the fact that such a thing is allowed go ahead is disgraceful

nothing to do with being homophobic it's just a completely pointless act "

excuse me, if your'e going to describe the occurrence of the parade as being "disgraceful", well then it has everything to do with being homophobic, IMO. Tbh you sound like an ignorant moron - oh yeah, we SHOULDN'T be allowed to congregate in public and just have fun and be ourselves, no we should just hide ourselves away and be boring and unintersting like 90% of the population of this miserable little island, oh YESS! AS THEY SAY, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. WE EXIST AND WER'E NOT GOING AWAY!.also, how the hell do you know what the majority of RTE viewers want?your attitude stinks, mister:mad:

Rowley Birkin QC

Quentinkrisp wrote: »

"I think the fact that such a thing is allowed go ahead is disgraceful

nothing to do with being homophobic it's just a completely pointless act "

excuse me, if your'e going to describe the occurrence of the parade as being "disgraceful", well then it has everything to do with being homophobic, IMO. Tbh you sound like an ignorant moron - oh yeah, we SHOULDN'T be allowed to congregate in public and just have fun and be ourselves, no we should just hide ourselves away and be boring and unintersting like 90% of the population of this miserable little island, oh YESS! AS THEY SAY, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. WE EXIST AND WER'E NOT GOING AWAY!.also, how the hell do you know what the majority of RTE viewers want?your attitude stinks, mister:mad:

I think the point that he was making is that; Yes we know people are gay but to be perfectly honest the rest of us couldn't give a fiddlers what you are or what you do. To whinge that RTE didn't give the festival enough attention is pretty silly to be honest.

Blarggggh

Youd be a shoe in mate. Truth be told the parade just isnt a story, and rightly so. Maybe in the first year it was a big story. But now it isnt. I find it a bit hard to understand why your getting so worked up over it. Your gay, so what. You had a parade, it was on the news. All the better. But they didnt make a big deal out of it, and your having a mickey fit over over it, Imagine they had made a big deal out of it. Thered be someone else here posting about how they parade was singled out and a big deal made out of it and how it only there coverage only further drives a wedge between the communties. So quit whinning and grow up. No one cares if your gay or not.

copacetic

Blarggggh wrote: »

Youd be a shoe in mate. Truth be told the parade just isnt a story, and rightly so. Maybe in the first year it was a big story. But now it isnt. I find it a bit hard to understand why your getting so worked up over it. Your gay, so what. You had a parade, it was on the news. But they didnt make a big deal out of it. If they did someone else would be posting here, pissed off about the big deal RTE made out of it, just get over ot mate. You just need to acept, no one cares if your gay or not.

Apparently not caring about someones sexuality is the new homophobia.

Blarggggh

So it seems

MikeC101

Quentinkrisp wrote: »

"I think the fact that such a thing is allowed go ahead is disgraceful

nothing to do with being homophobic it's just a completely pointless act "

excuse me, if your'e going to describe the occurrence of the parade as being "disgraceful", well then it has everything to do with being homophobic, IMO. Tbh you sound like an ignorant moron - oh yeah, we SHOULDN'T be allowed to congregate in public and just have fun and be ourselves, no we should just hide ourselves away and be boring and unintersting like 90% of the population of this miserable little island, oh YESS! AS THEY SAY, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. WE EXIST AND WER'E NOT GOING AWAY!.also, how the hell do you know what the majority of RTE viewers want?your attitude stinks, mister:mad:

To be honest, I find the average gay person to be just as boring and uninteresting as the average straight person.

Fair enough, if you think because you're gay and go on a march that you're exciting and interesting and not like "90% of the population of this miserable little island" you're free to believe that.

Honestly, your sexuality doesn't make you any more, or less, interesting than anyone else. Again, what seems to be general public apathy to the gay pride march would contradict your "WE EXIST AND WER'E NOT GOING AWAY!" outlook. Though it seems to be an outlook much loved by the militant minority, I'm not sure there's all that much basis for it anymore.

But eh yeah. Keep fighting the power, all that.

ntlbell

Quentinkrisp wrote: »

"I think the fact that such a thing is allowed go ahead is disgraceful

nothing to do with being homophobic it's just a completely pointless act "

excuse me, if your'e going to describe the occurrence of the parade as being "disgraceful", well then it has everything to do with being homophobic, IMO. Tbh you sound like an ignorant moron - oh yeah, we SHOULDN'T be allowed to congregate in public and just have fun and be ourselves, no we should just hide ourselves away and be boring and unintersting like 90% of the population of this miserable little island, oh YESS! AS THEY SAY, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. WE EXIST AND WER'E NOT GOING AWAY!.also, how the hell do you know what the majority of RTE viewers want?your attitude stinks, mister:mad:

congratulations on being gay I hadn't realised something that you have absolute no control over was some sort of life achievement.

Can I get a parade for having dark hair and blue eyes?

I don't assume to know what the avg RTE viewer wants hence "going out on a limb"

You missed the point I was making but don't let that in the way of having a little strop.

MikeC101

Blarggggh wrote: »

There would be uproar and everyone who took part would be branded a homophobic.

I tend to believe that would indeed be the case.

Though no doubt a march of that nature would be hijacked by (or indeed started by) the usual elements, Youth Defense, extreme religious types, homophobics and so on. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy really.

I wonder at what point does the concept of gay pride become as antiquated as the idea of straight pride?

A few hundred years after gay people have just as much rights as everyone else perhaps? Or does a history of oppression give eternal entitlement for such marches?

Blarggggh

I wonder at what point does the concept of gay pride become as antiquated as the idea of straight pride?

I suppose when people grow up, and stop looking for attention

Iskenderun

I find Pride to be full of screaming queens, intolerant ageists, fashion fascists, overblown muscle men with too many tattoos, etc. In short, just a cross-section of the equivalent sub-cultures of 'straight' society.

MultiUmm

I honestly think the parades are more or less only for the "We're here and we're queer" types who want to scream it from the rooftops.

As a gay person myself I think it does a poor job at representing gay people, although I've never been to a pride festival myself so I can't say for sure if it's only flamboyant kinds of people there. Maybe I'm wrong, from what I've seen of the parades it's usually the extravagant ones who get media attention and perhaps that is so beacause it's a bit more interesting then talking to an ordinary couple.

On a recent thread I read about the parade, someone made a good argument against it, saying that going out for 1 day of the year and not doing anything for the next 364 isn't going to do much. They said to make being gay and seeing gay couples less of a stigma is to do small things like hold hands in public. This will help destigmatise the feeling that gay people are "different" and show that homosexuals are just ordinary joes, not sterotypical queens.

oscarBravo

Moved from Politics.

ixoy

Aside from the ins and outs of the parade's effectiveness, I thought it could at least have been made into a story when set against the recent publication of the civil partnership bill - a relatively important piece of legislation - which the Parade highlighted.

Not sure if there's much of a need to show the Parade at other times and I'd disagree about it taking precedence over closures at hopsitals. Still if a Family Day can get a foothold in, then I'd think it has a little merit.

It'll be more interesting to see how they cover the Civil Partnership Bill when it gets enacted. That is a more pertinent item to cover and I'd imagine it'd hold more of a public/newsworthy interest than a big day out partying (which is what it is for most attendees in my experience).

Hillel

Furious Banana wrote: »

I honestly think the parades are more or less only for the "We're here and we're queer" types who want to scream it from the rooftops.

As a gay person myself I think it does a poor job at representing gay people, although I've never been to a pride festival myself so I can't say for sure if it's only flamboyant kinds of people there. Maybe I'm wrong, from what I've seen of the parades it's usually the extravagant ones who get media attention and perhaps that is so beacause it's a bit more interesting then talking to an ordinary couple.

On a recent thread I read about the parade, someone made a good argument against it, saying that going out for 1 day of the year and not doing anything for the next 364 isn't going to do much. They said to make being gay and seeing gay couples less of a stigma is to do small things like hold hands in public. This will help destigmatise the feeling that gay people are "different" and show that homosexuals are just ordinary joes, not sterotypical queens.

Many involved with yesterdays event put in a lot of hard work, over many months. It certainly wasn't a case of "1 day of the year and not doing anything for the next 364". They believe, rightly or not, that the parade will help reduce prejudice and stigmatization. Others, I among them, went along to show solidarity and support. I was delighted to do so and would readily do so again.

However, I do understand where you're coming from. I had no idea what to expect when I went along yesterday. In practice it was entertaining and fun and in no way "in your face". Even better, the vast majority of spectators were friendly and supportive. It was a VERY positive event and deserved far better media coverage.

Hillel

ixoy wrote: »

I'd disagree about it taking precedence over closures at hopsitals.

I never suggested it should. The staff at Crumlin Hospital are fantastic and I, like many others, had first hand visibility of the care they provide. However, the hospital cutbacks issue will run and run. There have been, and will continue to be, many opportunities for publicity.

ixoy wrote: »

It'll be more interesting to see how they cover the Civil Partnership Bill when it gets enacted. That is a more pertinent item to cover and I'd imagine it'd hold more of a public/newsworthy interest than a big day out partying (which is what it is for most attendees in my experience).

Yeah, 'twas great to see how people enjoyed themselves. Made my year!

Dannyboy83

Homosexuals wish to be treated the same as everyone else and not be discriminated against, yet they continue to define themselves by their sexuality and use it to differentiate themselves.

I couldn't give a ****e wheter someone is hetro, homo or bi tbh, and I certainly don't see the need to have a parade about it.