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Windows 7 Pricing - Europe loses out!
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26-06-2009 9:47pm#1Microsoft will not be offering an upgrade version of Windows 7 in Europe.
In the past Microsoft has given people already using Windows a chance to upgrade to a new version when it becomes available.
While that option will be offered in the US, Microsoft said its efforts to comply with competition regulations meant it could not do so in Europe.
European regulators dismissed the claim, saying the move limited choices rather than opening them up.
No choice
Windows 7 is due to go on sale on 22 October around the world.
Anyone buying a new PC between now and then - running Windows Vista Home Premium, Business or Ultimate - will get the chance to upgrade the operating system on it, at no cost, to Windows 7.
While Microsoft will not charge for the upgrade, some PC makers may impose a fee to ship disks with Windows 7 on them to customers.
The worldwide upgrade option programme is due to begin on 26 June
Those who want to upgrade to Windows 7 on a older PC will pay a reduced price for the software. Stand alone versions of Windows 7, that can run on more than one PC, will also be available.
Microsoft said these upgrade options will not be available to Europeans.
"We will not be able to offer an upgrade product within Europe," said John Curran, Windows business lead at Microsoft UK, adding that only the full version of the software will be available to Europeans.
In Europe, Microsoft will send buyers of new PCs a full version of the software rather than an upgrade version. The European edition will lack Internet Explorer.
Europeans who want to get hold of Windows 7 but have not bought a new PC will be able to buy it at a discount. In the UK, the Home Premium edition of Windows 7 will be £79.99 until 31 December 2009.
By contrast buying this edition after 31 December will cost £149.99.
The upgrade option was not available, Microsoft said, because it was trying to comply with European competition regulations. This means that IE is not onboard Windows 7 in Europe.
A Commission spokesman dismissed Microsoft's claim that it was taking the action to comply with European laws.
"The essential point of our case is consumer choice," said the spokesman.
"We would want to look extremely closely at the terms under which Microsoft is making Internet Explorer available to computer manufacturers," he said.
"If the effect of the technical separation of Windows and Internet Explorer is neutralised by particular terms and conditions they offer to manufacturers to install Internet Explorer, they're no better off."
The preferred remedy for Europe, he said, was to offer users a screen when they first switch on Windows 7 that gives them a choice between IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera.
"For them to claim that this is somehow imposed by the Commission or is going to resolve the problem with the Commission is far from clear," he said.
"It's certainly not because we've asked them to do it."0
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in fairness this is not microsoft's fault... they were bullied in to ditching IE which fecked up their plans as they now have to give us our own 'special' versions of 7 which don't include IE but as people are point out - unless you have another PC you can't go online as you need a browser :-)
That's something I was wondering tbh.
I think I may get 7 Ultimate if I can get it in from the US.0 -
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Microsoft wrote:for Europe, we will not have a separate upgrade SKU for the packaged retail product versions of Windows 7 at GA. But we will be offering upgrade pricing on our full licenses to make sure that European customers who want to upgrade have the pricing options available in the rest of the world
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/06/25/announcing-the-windows-7-upgrade-option-program-amp-windows-7-pricing-bring-on-ga.aspx
Full version for price of retail version? Terrific. I wouldn't contemplate doing anything other than a clean install so that aspect bothers me not at all.
Still paying more than US of course but what else is new?
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Just don't bother buying Windows 7 - get it free (kind of-ish).
(no I'm not talking about hacks or cracks or anything illegal )
Just get an evaluation version of Windows Server 2008R2 (fully featured server version of Win7 - comes with all the flashy glassy stuff, it's just turned off by default in the options) and go here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948472
I've been doing it with the R1 since it came out in beta0 -
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even though im not a fan of IE, not having it would be a problem, a lot of programs use an IE activex blah blah blah to connect to the internet. ive programmed a few application and if IE wasnt there it wouldnt be able to connect to the net 0
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So download it and install it? This isn't a ban on IE, it's just not "as standard". Its an unnecessary inconvenience and not technically what the EU commission wanted but I think most of us will survive!even though im not a fan of IE, not having it would be a problem, a lot of programs use an IE activex blah blah blah to connect to the internet. ive programmed a few application and if IE wasnt there it wouldnt be able to connect to the net
I emailed microsoft to ask about availing of the pre-order offer in RoI and they told me to ring their Irish office, might do so in the morning though I don't know if they'll have an answer.0 -
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Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
Filtering content - ie port blocking is another big issue for competition authorities. Port blocking allows ISPs to kill off competition in telecommunications services, prevent entertainment services - except those offered by the ISP in question, and act as a censor on their customers' freedom of speech.
Illegal, unconstitutional, and in breach of European Convention on Human Rights. The government has given a de-facto monopoly to cable TV, and eircom in IRL. Eircom controls 95% of DSL internet connections - retail and wholesale combined. There is only one cable TV operator realistically speaking. Both of them are blocking ports and threatening customers.
The incompetent overpaid regulators are doing nothing to correct the problem.
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I was once of the opinion that Microsoft should be allowed bundle whatever they like with Windows because it's them that make the operating system. But it's a classic case of Antitrust violation. So I see no problem in the EU fining Microsoft on Antitrust issues. Them removing IE and selling it without a browser in Europe is nothing more than Microsoft giving the EU the finger. With a bit of luck they'll be fined good and heavily.
Anyway, Windows 7 is basically what Vista should have been, i really don't understand the excitement considering it's sort of like a big kick in the arse for those who bought Vista. It's basically like them saying "Ok what we released in 2007 was crap, and now we're fixing that crap, but oh... we're going to charge you heavily for it too".
Microsoft always like to give out the image that they're very much on top of things with fixing bugs etc. and to be fair, they do patch them as they turn up, but when service packs and patchs are fixing hundreds of bugs something is a tad wrong there. The fact of the matter is that the bugs shouldn't be there in the first place, granted you won't catch them all, but releasing an OS with hundreds of bugs is very sloppy indeed. JMO though..
Again where the monopoly comes in, were this a competive market, people just wouldn't buy a buggy OS because a viable alternative would be present, and they'd spend money on that instead. However a monopolist can afford to release a thrown together product and get away with it.
Rant over. All my opinion btw, nothing more.
I'll continue to stick with Ubuntu and XP for games and whatever software forces me to use Windows. Maybe after the first service pack of 7 I'll upgrade but not until then, looking back at all the releases of Windows would say to stay away from the early days of it.0 -
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It's a license so does not fall under the goods and services act which means most consumer rights don't exist
Interesting if true that you only break the law if they sue you.
It's all part of the FUD. Look at SCO their biggest asset was that they could potentially sue a lot of people. Microsoft et al and the BSA will go after companies in a similar manner to the RIIA / IMRO. You might not like the contract, you might not think it's unenforcable, but you can't afford to win that case in court because it could bankrupt you even if you won. And even if you got costs and when through the whole appeals it could easily take 5 years.
I haven't checked in a while but last time I looked you could only claim back purchase price or $5 if there was a problem with the software.0 -
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