Highpowered Diesel Options (12K)?

CountingCrows

Looking at getting a 140bhp+ diesel for around the 12K mark. Octavia Vrs fits the bill but they seem to be very rare. Apart from Golf/A4's is there any decent alternatives?

HashSlinging

05 Leon

homer90

For me, it would have to be the e39 530d sport

If you could live with the tax that is ..

murf313

mondeo st tdci

audi a6 2.5 tdi

VW golf gttdi

VW passat tdi sport ( 130bhp but very high powered, had one myself, great car!)

HashSlinging

Merc 220 CDi

Merc 200 CDi Coupe

Gregor Samsa

A Volvo with the D5 engine (2.4 L)? (S60, S80, V70 etc).

163 BHP in models up to 2004 (or 05, I can't remember), 180 BHP in models after that, as far as I recall.

brandon_flowers

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/1-Series/120d-Spo/200913192258608/advert?channel=CARS

163bhp, diesel, rwd. Pretty much all the requirements for fun driving and very economical if you don't hammer it in 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

Gypo

+1 on the 120d, as long as you can live with the looks and lack of space!

The Fiat / Alfa 150 bhp lump hasn't been mentioned. Alfa 147 / 156? You might be even looking at early GT (2004) and 159s (2006) now for around 12k.

HashSlinging

+1 on the BMW. good find.

furtzy

HashSlinging wrote: »

05 Leon

:eek: Thats about 2 - 3k overpriced....that sellers dreaming

HashSlinging

Agree! Might be a good bargain for someone with a bit of knowledge then.

EPM

furtzy wrote: »

:eek: Thats about 2 - 3k overpriced....that sellers dreaming

Its been hanging about carzone for months upon months

unkel

murf313 wrote: »

VW passat tdi sport ( 130bhp but very high powered, had one myself, great car!)

Pocket rocket!

JHMEG

unkel wrote: »

Pocket rocket!

I believe the correct term for that car is weapon

JHMEG

brandon_flowers wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/1-Series/120d-Spo/200913192258608/advert?channel=CARS

163bhp, diesel, rwd. Pretty much all the requirements for fun driving and very economical if you don't hammer it in 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

100k miles on the clock tho. Would put a lot of people off. And stuff does wear out. Would I buy a car with 100k on the clock for €12k? Probably, but not a BMW 1-series.

Gypo

VW TDI 130 thrashing. Down with this sort of thing!

Gypo

Here's a 120d with 69k http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/1-Series/120d-1OW/200920192774622/advert?channel=CARS for under €12k

Gumbo

HashSlinging wrote: »

+1 on the BMW. good find.

old news man, i found that months ago LOL

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055541225&highlight=120d

JHMEG wrote: »

100k miles on the clock tho. Would put a lot of people off. And stuff does wear out. Would I buy a car with 100k on the clock for €12k? Probably, but not a BMW 1-series.

i looked at this car, it is immac, absolutely immac!
spec wise its great, upgraded 17" wheels, it has the BMW professional radio, BMW bluetooth and Alcantara (sp) sports seats.

it has 97k on it, but has a complete and full BMW service history all with BMW main dealers, and verified too as i rang them before i viewed it.

the only reason i didnt buy this car is because i got a cracking deal on an E90 320d on the same day! other than that, i would of bought this car back in April.

i even had my friend in BMW M&G check it for me.

CountingCrows

homer90 wrote: »

For me, it would have to be the e39 530d sport

If you could live with the tax that is ..

Driving a E46 320CI at the moment so was hoping to get back to 2.0 Tax.

galwaytt

Gypo wrote: »

+1 on the 120d, as long as you can live with the looks and lack of space!

The Fiat / Alfa 150 bhp lump hasn't been mentioned. Alfa 147 / 156? You might be even looking at early GT (2004) and 159s (2006) now for around 12k.

Same engine in Saab's, btw, both as a 120 or 150bhp.

JMcCR

Fiat/Alfa 1.9M-JTD 16v is 140 or 150 bhp depending on year and they can be remapped to about 170ish with an extra 60 ft·lb torque :eek:

bazz26

Fiat/Alfa 1.9 JTDM is available in a few versions:

8 valve is 120bhp
16 valve is 150bhp

Saab have a new twin turbo version with 189bhp.

ShadowHearth

+1 to 530d, but i would go for 2001++ model it is 193hp.

But OP allready said he whants to go to 2.0 band... ah well...

I would love 530d myself, and i hate diesels

Sqaull20

This Skoda Superb looks a good deal for 5k!! Adequate pep in them as standard and they are very comfortable.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200924193088769

BrianD3

Not available new here so you'd be looking at imports:
Renaultsport Megane II 2.0 DCi 175
Renault Laguna II GT 2.0 DCi 175

There is also a Toyota Auris D4D 180 but I think it is a 2.2 and it'd also have to be an import.

bonzos

New shape Audi A6 2.0 TDI????

Bearcat

homer90 wrote: »

For me, it would have to be the e39 530d sport

If you could live with the tax that is ..

i got an e60 530d, early teens doe.....goes like a rocket and would destroy the vw diesels etc. Beast of a yoke.

If your going sub 2 litre....I'd for a 16v 2.0 vw diesel.....avoid the 150bp PD 1.9, 130bhp 1.9 way way better.

sean1141

Bearcat wrote: »

If your going sub 2 litre....I'd for a 16v 2.0 vw diesel.....avoid the 150bp PD 1.9, 130bhp 1.9 way way better.

whats the differance between a 150 and a 130 thats makes the 130 so much better??

rocknchef

Sqaull20 wrote: »

This Skoda Superb looks a good deal for 5k!! Adequate pep in them as standard and they are very comfortable.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=200924193088769

bargain and great boot space in them yolks:D

Donnelly117

unkel wrote: »

Pocket rocket!

Christ how big are your pockets! lol

bazz26

bonzos wrote: »

New shape Audi A6 2.0 TDI????

I wouldn't consider a 140bhp engine in a car the size and weight of the A6 as being a highpowered diesel.

unkel

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Christ how big are your pockets! lol

I admit I was trolling - a little

Bandara

bmw 330d, you'll get a nice 02 one for about 6k.

fantastic machine

Bearcat

sean1141 wrote: »

whats the differance between a 150 and a 130 thats makes the 130 so much better??

just have a root around re the differences......i had a 150 it was all on or all off re power delivery. All the folk say the 130 is smoother and a better unit and not such a live wire. The 150 is only an 8 valve 1.9 so she's working hard.....my tupennce

CountingCrows

Thanks Guys,

Plenty good options there but still think its going to be either an Octavia VRS (if I can find one!) or an Alfa GT.

Ferris

Bearcat wrote: »

just have a root around re the differences......i had a 150 it was all on or all off re power delivery. All the folk say the 130 is smoother and a better unit and not such a live wire. The 150 is only an 8 valve 1.9 so she's working hard.....my tupennce

Also the 150 needs more a service every 6k or so to avoid ruining the cams and tappets.

bonzos

CountingCrows wrote: »

Thanks Guys,

Plenty good options there but still think its going to be either an Octavia VRS (if I can find one!) or an Alfa GT.

dont know if i would buy an alfa at the moment,would not be surprised if they pulled out of ireland soon

Gypo

Ferris wrote: »

Also the 150 needs more a service every 6k or so to avoid ruining the cams and tappets.

In fairness the 130 can also suffer from camshaft / follower failures. Although probably not to the same extent allright.

Not sure how the 6k service will help? In fact I thought most in the know reccomended 10k to allow all the additives in the oil to be activated blah blah etc etc.

Ferris

Gypo wrote: »

In fairness the 130 can also suffer from camshaft / follower failures. Although probably not to the same extent allright.

Not sure how the 6k service will help? In fact I thought most in the know reccomended 10k to allow all the additives in the oil to be activated blah blah etc etc.

All of them can suffer from hydraulic tappet failure and corresponding camshaft wear really (my old 110 tdi had it:P) but it reputadely happens a lot quicker on the 150. The 6k service was what was recommended on Vagdrivers.net. I reakon the failures were more down to owners/garages not using the correct oil than high service intervals anyway.

I looked into getting one and was a bit scared off by the stories of tappets and camshafts, there were a lot of stories of dealers replacing the entire cyl head, for some reason, and bills running into the thousands.

JHMEG

Hammertime wrote: »

bmw 330d, you'll get a nice 02 one for about 6k.

fantastic machine

Motor tax is about 25% the purchase price, per annum!:eek:

voxpop

I wonder what percentage of the cars with worn camshafts/tappets had remaps ?

My one is fine so far (touch wood) - I service every 10k and have 120k miles. Second gear has gotten very notchy of late though - time for gearbox oil change me thinks


Edit - i have a 130 and the lag is just bearable and power delivery is a bit lumpy, I can only imagine that the 150s are worse in both respects. Good fun can be had,though, once you keep it on the boil

Bearcat

my beef with the 150 tdi was it was always nibbling to drive it hard. The pwr band was awful and I only averaged 33mpg in mixed driving....where as the bigger diesels have a much juicier range of torque. Yes i agree car tax is a big issue these days but you can get the bigger diesels for a song now off dealers so it all averages out imo. That 3.0 diesel from bm i cant compliment more.....the worst diesel I had was the e220cdi...total slug unless chipped.

I wonder where my old golf is these days 03 D 150?? Probably written off as she was a quick demon all the same but understeer was her weakness.

omega man

I used to own a Leon TDI150 and never experienced any of the above issues. Had it 2 years and was averaging 45mpg even with a remap to 185bhp. Servicing was at 10K intervals and i never had any tech problems. Saying that the 130 model is better is total crap imo. To date this is the only car i was ever sad to let go. However times have changed and the new generation 2.0 tdi's are a lot better. Personally I would recommend the octavia vRS TDI. I had the petrol one and it was a fantastic all rounder.

Bearcat

omega man wrote: »

Saying that the 130 model is better is total crap imo. .

you know your onions re these diesels....i cant comment from experience but if you trawl the net re different forums etc, they all have the same theme, the 130 was a better drive. How you got in the mid 40's mpg is amazing. I genuinely never got over 40...averaged 34mpg all the way.

siralfalot

bazz26 wrote: »

I wouldn't consider a 140bhp engine in a car the size and weight of the A6 as being a highpowered diesel.

I wouldn't consider any car with just 140bhp to be highpowered


I've just bought an Alfa GT 1.9JTDm, its remapped to 195bhp, its a great all rounder but its nowhere near being high powered

ShadowHearth

JHMEG wrote: »

Motor tax is about 25% the purchase price, per annum!:eek:

yes, BUT its 40-50mpg for economy, 192hp for fun and sofa for life!

If you would buy that, you wouldnt be looking for anything else for a good time.

The BMW M57 type Engine is a straight-6 Diesel produced from 1998. It won the "2.5-3 L" category of the International Engine of the Year award for 1999 through 2002. (wiki)

Iam looking for a second car, for fun, like mx5 or 200sx, but more and more i am looking at these 530d myself, and i really dont care about Tax on it, considering the packadge you get.

Sqaull20

siralfalot wrote: »

I wouldn't consider any car with just 140bhp to be highpowered


I've just bought an Alfa GT 1.9JTDm, its remapped to 195bhp, its a great all rounder but its nowhere near being high powered

Compared to M5's/Evo's its not, but compared to most things on the road its pretty quick.7 secs to 60 and top speed of 140mph, is impressive for here!!

Go with your original thought OP, Octavia VRS are class.

It will cost you around 13-14k but well worth it for a good 07 example.

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/ni/cars_popup.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=&hassearched=Y&make=SKODA&min_pr=75&source=0&model=OCTAVIA&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=&mileage=&postcode=m52ty&variant=vrs&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=2&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=&ukcarsearch_full.x=0&ukcarsearch_full.y=0&start=7&distance=105&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200925336410486

You

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Compared to M5's/Evo's its not, but compared to most things on the road its pretty quick.7 secs to 60 and top speed of 140mph, is impressive for here!!

Go with your original thought OP, Octavia VRS are class.

It will cost you around 13-14k but well worth it for a good 07 example.

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/ni/cars_popup.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=&hassearched=Y&make=SKODA&min_pr=75&source=0&model=OCTAVIA&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=&mileage=&postcode=m52ty&variant=vrs&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=2&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=&ukcarsearch_full.x=0&ukcarsearch_full.y=0&start=7&distance=105&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200925336410486

You're about a second off there.
8.1 to 60 for the VRS TDI
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=42085

unkel

Sqaull20 wrote: »

its pretty quick.7 secs to 60 and top speed of 140mph, is impressive for here!!

Go with your original thought OP, Octavia VRS are class.

Even with 170bhp, there's not a hope an Octavia diesel will do 60mph in 7s...

Sqaull20

unkel wrote: »

Even with 170bhp, there's not a hope an Octavia diesel will do 60mph in 7s...

I was talking about his 195bhp Alfa GT, my fault for the poor wording!!

unkel

Sqaull20 wrote: »

I was talking about his 195bhp Alfa GT, my fault for the poor wording!!

Ah ok!

But how do you know the performance figures (in British imperial units) of his remapped car?