is wwe getting worse from year to year

lankysexybeast

i don't know bout other people but i'm sick of watching the wwe's different shows and feeling that theyare loosing respect for our inteligence. one week we see randy orton with kelly kelly a few weeks later we see him with "his wife". are they just geting lazy or do they simply not care.

there are so many things to discus on this front. Has the wwe
become a company as comfused by bookings wcw was.
why is the only real storyline on the shows centered around the heavyweight and wwe title's. do they think we couldn't handle it if they added intercontinental storylines that lasts longer then a month. the fact that they've united the tag title and done nothing with it would for months would say yes to me.

finally for me but this is in no way the last point. how many times have we seen the same storyline again and again. two brothers one wont fight the other, then he will. the undertaker is burried live and comes back when a coffin explodes etc etc. oh oh and my new favourite if he losses the match he losses the mask which he didn't always wear or care about bla bla bla

anyway your thought

Bounty Hunter

your getting older and the rubbish that takes place in wrestling is something you accept less and less every year. WWF/E changes as modern culture changes in an attempt to draw more/make more money. imo and id say in a lot of others Smackdown and ECW have gotten a lot better this year. So no it doesent get worse ever year but yes it does seem like it does especially seing as there is less things that havent been done before as each year passes.

ShawnRaven

Writing team couldn't give a f*ck anymore at this stage. They're one step away from being as boneheaded as WCW was in 1998 prior to Russo joining em.

lankysexybeast

well it's less the is it getting worse that i'm talking about it started as that but as i wrote it's more do they think were retarded. like i know that as i grow up i'm going to see ore of the stupidity but it is getting ridiculious. nut nice point sd and ecw have gotten alot betre and are actually starting to return to what wresting should be about.

and i agree that there a business who change to attract the largest numbers of people but is going P.G. the right move to keep it's older fans who can buy tickets and merchandise on there own dollar.

gimmick

Lack of competition means laziness shall prevail, and that has been the case for the last 8-9 years.

That being said, there can only be so many storylines, so some will have to be rehashed as well.

However, it is the slapdash crap like HHHs return a few weeks ago leaves a sour taste.

grames_bond

the writers only have a certain amount of storylines in their heads...forsome reaosn they dont think people will remember the old storylines so they use them again! it is getting more and more noticable as of late though!

lankysexybeast

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Writing team couldn't give a f*ck anymore at this stage. They're one step away from being as boneheaded as WCW was in 1998 prior to Russo joining em.

exactly someone once said that if the wwe started dancing cowns around the ring and never showe a stitch of wrestling. still tna wouldn't catch up to them for a year and thats not cause the tna would have grown it's cause wwe would have fallen

ShawnRaven

lankysexybeast wrote: »

exactly someone once said that if the wwe started dancing cowns around the ring and never showe a stitch of wrestling. still tna wouldn't catch up to them for a year and thats not cause the tna would have grown it's cause wwe would have fallen

TNA doesn't ever stand a chance of overthrowing WWE. It's not like they have a multimedia head-honcho like Ted Turner that could go head to head with Vince, and Panda Energy are no CNN.

Now DONALD TRUMP!..... YEAH!

lankysexybeast

but why do we just accept that these story lines are all that they have even a simple change and attention to consistency within a storyline would keep me happy

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

TNA doesn't ever stand a chance of overthrowing WWE. It's not like they have a multimedia head-honcho like Ted Turner that could go head to head with Vince, and Panda Energy are no CNN.

Now DONALD TRUMP!..... YEAH!

i have to admit i would find that hillarious if he bought tna....it would be a hell of a lot better than the sh!te storyline they have for trump on raw atm!

grames_bond

lankysexybeast wrote: »

but why do we just accept that these story lines are all that they have even a simple change and attention to consistency within a storyline would keep me happy

wwe fear change!! :pac:

thealltimelow

ya it is look at what thay done to the brain ken and goldust good guys usad as jobbers so raw is gone piss poor with hhh on evary ppv main evant

Max Power1

I dont think the actual product is any worse than last year - its the EXACT SAME as last year ffs!! Its a pity there isnt any worthwhile competition in the industry.. now where's Ted Turner at these days?

WWE programming has changed in the last 3 years in my eyes from must watch, to try to watch, then to ill watch if its on and im there. On average now id watch one to two episodes of raw/sd each month. Its goinng to get less and less because its become so stale and BORING

Bonavox

I stopped watching it last year. WM 2008 was the last show I watched actually. I was so unimpressed that I never went back.

I'd much prefer UFC today, even if its different to pro wrestling.

thealltimelow

wcw was 15 years ago

grames_bond

vflhp wrote: »

I stopped watching it last year. WM 2008 was the last show I watched actually. I was so unimpressed that I never went back.

thank god you didnt watch WM this year! if you thaught last years was bad you may have broken your tv with this years "grandaddy of them all" :rolleyes:

Max Power1

More like 8 years wasnt it thealltimelow?

Rjd2

lankysexybeast wrote: »

do they think we couldn't handle it if they added intercontinental storylines that lasts longer then a month.

The Jericho and Rey feud for the IC belt has lasted much longer than a month and is one of the major storylines on SD right now.

lankysexybeast

here's one of those repeated story line things that i don't know if anyone has noticed cause it's sutle. Dolph Zigler = the hollywood blondes

grames_bond

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Jericho and Rey feud for the IC belt has lasted much longer than a month and is one of the major storylines on SD right now.

and its about his unmasking.....yet another storyline being redone from wcw just for a different belt.

Rjd2

vflhp wrote: »

I stopped watching it last year. WM 2008 was the last show I watched actually. I was so unimpressed that I never went back.

HBK v Flair and Edge vs Taker done nothing for you?:eek:

lankysexybeast

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Jericho and Rey feud for the IC belt has lasted much longer than a month and is one of the major storylines on SD right now.

ye but they did it years ago with kane and triple H and even a few months ago with the midget and kane. it's been going on since just after he kane one ended like they didn't even wait a few weeks to start it up

Rjd2

grames_bond wrote: »

and its about his unmasking.....yet another storyline being redone from wcw just for a different belt.

The belt plays a big role in the feud and really people need to remember Rey's target audience do not give a damn and probably do not remember the WCW angle.

thealltimelow

ya must ray fans are 10 euros old anyway

Machismo Fan

Max Power1 wrote: »

I dont think the actual product is any worse than last year - its the EXACT SAME as last year ffs!!

This is the problem, WWE's product is not necessarily getting worse, it's just not changing. It's why ECW and Smackdown seem so good as it's different and fresh in many ways where as Raw is constantly going back to HHH vs. Orton and if not that it'll be something else that was seen before (Orton/Cena, Orton/Michaels, Cena/HHH etc).

Their product is in drastic need of change. By my calculations Orton has faced HHH 1 on 1 14 times since 2004. That's just far, far too many and it's not including the countless times they've been on the other side of tag team or handicap matches and what's worse is that they're facing again this week on PPV and WWE still expect people to pay for it and enjoy it.

Raw

I was bored to tears watching Orton and HHH's Last Man Standing match on Raw this week as it just seemed like (and was) exactly what we've seen before from those two countless times.

The product needs to be freshened up for every bodies sake and the writing team needs change if there's any chance of WWE making huge money again (much bigger than their current product makes even though it's stale).

And actually that's brings me onto my next problem which is as long as we keep on paying for the crap that they produce they'll keep on producing it. If they're making so much money off such a poor product why should they bother putting out better TV and PPV every month. WWE will only change once they're hit in the place it hurts them most, their pocket.

lankysexybeast

well raw ratings are falling so hopefully were gonna get a break

grames_bond

lankysexybeast wrote: »

well raw ratings are falling so hopefully were gonna get a break

they will have to fall drastically before we see any sort of change, and i dont see that happening!

Rjd2

lankysexybeast wrote: »

well raw ratings are falling so hopefully were gonna get a break

They always seem to be about the mid 3's average no matter how bad the show is. ECW and Smackdown the two shows which seem fresher and have much more quality wrestling are the shows whose ratings are in the toilet.

grames_bond

blame the networks!

lankysexybeast

Rjd2 wrote: »

They always seem to be about the mid 3's average no matter how bad the show is. ECW and Smackdown the two shows which seem fresher and have much more quality wrestling are the shows whose ratings are in the toilet.

i think we can put some of that down to the fact that it's closer to real wrestling or what it should be and the majority of people don't appreaciate that the way we do.

grames_bond

lankysexybeast wrote: »

i think we can put some of that down to the fact that it's closer to real wrestling or what it should be and the majority of people don't appreaciate that the way we do.

the problem is its not wrestling anymore....its "entertainment", the only problem being it has stopped being entertaining!

RAMPAGE1

grames_bond wrote: »

and its about his unmasking.....yet another storyline being redone from wcw just for a different belt.

I can't imagine Rey losing the mask this time or it will be career suicide. Remember Kane absolutely dive bombed once he lost the mask now he's a joke waiting to join the endeavours club

lankysexybeast

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

I can't imagine Rey losing the mask this time or it will be career suicide. Remember Kane absolutely dive bombed once he lost the mask now he's a joke waiting to join the endeavours club

ye but with ray threatening to quite you'd never know what wwe would do to him

grames_bond

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

I can't imagine Rey losing the mask this time or it will be career suicide. Remember Kane absolutely dive bombed once he lost the mask now he's a joke waiting to join the endeavours club

rey that damned midget in the endeavours club....ah it's the stuff (orestes') dreams are made of! :pac:

gimmick

grames_bond wrote: »

for some reason they dont think people will remember the old storylines so they use them again! it is getting more and more noticable as of late though!

But you see, the majority of wrestling fans are kids and I would imagine a very high percentage of kids do not go into their late teens, early 20s and beyond continuing as wrestling fans, therefore storylines can be used again every few years. I am not saying it is right, but it could well be the attitude. So for the vast majority of current fans, a re hashed story on TV today is a new storyline for them.

And the only reason it is more noticeable is because you are more aware of what is going on. As wrestling fans grow older they see these things more clearly that what they do when they are 12 or whatever.

lankysexybeast wrote: »

here's one of those repeated story line things that i don't know if anyone has noticed cause it's subtle. Dolph Zigler = the hollywood blondes

Not sure I agree, but ask any of WWEs target audience ie kids 8-14 who the hollywood blondes are and I will guarantee you that 99% will not know without googling.

WWE is worse for some today because we are grown ups. I have all but stopped watching for about 3 years now. Anyone 16+ is not their target anymore, hence the pg13 tag WWE has adopted of late. That may not be an excuse for lack of inring goodness, but it explains the "entertainment" side of things lately.

rossie1977

Machismo Fan wrote: »

if there's any chance of WWE making huge money again (much bigger than their current product makes even though it's stale).

???

wwe made their biggest ever profit in company history in fourth quarter 2007-first quarter 2008

lankysexybeast wrote:

well raw ratings are falling so hopefully were gonna get a break

negative, raw ratings are back at early 2002 levels approx 5.5-6 million viewers, ignore neilsen ratings like 3, 4 etc because a 3 in 2009 does NOT equal a 3 in 1999

Machismo Fan

rossie1977 wrote: »

???

wwe made their biggest ever profit in company history in fourth quarter 2007-first quarter 2008

Which is what I meant, WWE are making huge money with an, in general, rubbish product. Imagine what they'd make with an actual good product.

lankysexybeast

rossie1977 wrote: »

???

wwe made their biggest ever profit in company history in fourth quarter 2007-first quarter 2008


ah no they didn't company wise they did ut vince and the others became billionares when the company went public can't remember the year though but post 97 anyway

rossie1977

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Which is what I meant, WWE are making huge money with an, in general, rubbish product. Imagine what they'd make with an actual good product.

define rubbish product

the quality of match wwe puts on today wipes the floor with 90% of the stuff they were spewing out in 1986

Machismo Fan

rossie1977 wrote: »

define rubbish product

the quality of match wwe puts on today wipes the floor with 90% of the stuff they were spewing out in 1986

A product which largely hasn't changed in over three years. They could get away with it in the 80's as they had a better quality of storyline which could play out over a much longer period because they didn't produce 6 (9 on PPV weeks) hours of original TV every week.

rossie1977

Machismo Fan wrote: »

A product which largely hasn't changed in over three years. They could get away with it in the 80's as they had a better quality of storyline which could play out over a much longer period because they didn't produce 6 (9 on PPV weeks) hours of original TV every week.

thats all you needed to say

lankysexybeast

rossie1977 wrote: »

define rubbish product

the quality of match wwe puts on today wipes the floor with 90% of the stuff they were spewing out in 1986

i'm sorry man that was real wrestling back then remove Hogan and warrior people like that and you had real wrestlers who did it because it was art. yes sometimes it was less entertaining overll but the matches were consistently betre back then. hitman v piper is a perfect example of that, not the greatest hype at the king of the ring or at mania but two amazing WRESTLING matchs

rossie1977

lankysexybeast wrote: »

i'm sorry man that was real wrestling back then remove Hogan and warrior people like that and you had real wrestlers who did it because it was art. yes sometimes it was less entertaining overll but the matches were consistently betre back then. hitman v piper is a perfect example of that, not the greatest hype at the king of the ring or at mania but two amazing WRESTLING matchs

you talking about piper vs bret at WM8, that was 1992, 1992 was a fine year "wrestling wise" in wwf yes, you had bret, perfect, piper, savage, flair etc all at the top of their game. after 1992 wwf went downhill fast and didn't recover until about 1996

lankysexybeast

sorry i did actually missread your original comment on this but anyway. in my opinion 94 was there best year of all they had the best storylines that they could possibly have had before moving to the attitude era. some of the best matchs come from that year. now days you'd be shocked if the main event on smackdown didn't end with someone running in to interfere. noone will put anyone over because of how there contracts are now and it along with fantasticism has ruined it. look at hhh vs undertaker a few months back on smackdown amazing wrestling match ruined by interference.

rossie1977

1994 had some legendary matches but they were too few and far between e.g. bret/owen mania, bret/owen summerslam, hbk/razor at mania but outside of those i cannot remember many standout matches on tv or ppv that year

grames_bond

lankysexybeast wrote: »

sorry i did actually missread your original comment on this but anyway. in my opinion 94 was there best year of all they had the best storylines that they could possibly have had before moving to the attitude era. some of the best matchs come from that year. now days you'd be shocked if the main event on smackdown didn't end with someone running in to interfere. noone will put anyone over because of how there contracts are now and it along with fantasticism has ruined it. look at hhh vs undertaker a few months back on smackdown amazing wrestling match ruined by interference.

at the same time though they ended one of the best wm's (wm 10) with one of the worst "main event finales" ever, with bret and yoko! so even back then, they knew how to fcuk it up!

lankysexybeast

but brets title defence that year was all gold him vs gaints all year there were ic storylines king of the ring pure class all of it (other then yoko)

grames_bond

lankysexybeast wrote: »

but brets title defence that year was all gold him vs gaints all year there were ic storylines king of the ring pure class all of it (other then yoko)

well true but the point i was makin was even in a great year like 1994, they knew how to fcuk up a good event!

rossie1977

lankysexybeast wrote: »

but brets title defence that year was all gold him vs gaints all year there were ic storylines king of the ring pure class all of it (other then yoko)

1994 had undertaker vs evil undertaker as the main storyline all f**king summer long, this came after he died and rose to heaven of course

In 1994 probably the second best worker vince had at his disposal was sitting behind the commentary table for much of the year until he finally went south to atlanta

1994 saw some of the worst gimmicks in the history of wwf/e, kwang, sparky plugg, face doink,

1994 saw jarrett and mabel battle over rap and country music :rolleyes:

we saw tatanka turn on his country, the start of kevin nash's wonderful year long title reign, Sleazy, Queasy and Cheesy

grames_bond

rossie1977 wrote: »

1994 saw jarrett and mabel battle over rap and country music :rolleyes:

yeah that was just outrageously rediculous.....everyone knows country is far better than rap!! :pac:

Mr.Nice Guy

I quit watching regularly after No Way Out 2008 and it seems to be getting worse to me. I tend to look on Wrestlemania as a good indicator of how well the company is doing and when I noticed the card for this year's one nothing stood out for me. Only Michaels and Undertaker, mainly as I knew it would be a good wrestling match, but I felt they should have pulled the trigger on that one in 2007.

Weak writing, over-reliance on the old guard, little to no progression involving the younger guys and a PG-themed show that reflects the blandness of the current climate.

The WWE - written by kids for kids.