Red Cross finally accredited for EMT?

DubMedic

Hi all,

I very recently heard that Irish Red Cross are now recognised by PHECC to teach its members upto EMT level, with a class beginning in Oct/Nov.

Has anyone heard anything to the contrary?.

I know the papers had to be submitted a couple of times but it appears RC have finally been accredited by PHECC.

Any thoughts?.

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sgthighway

Confirmation on the above:
http://www.phecit.ie/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1286

Another 24 EMTs passed out from Civil Defence this week. Another 20+ from OMAC due to get results early next week to add to the 20+ that passed out in early May. The country will be full of EMTs. Its bound to have a knock on to the private training companies. Good for the patients though.

DubMedic

sgthighway wrote: »

Confirmation on the above:
http://www.phecit.ie/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1286

Another 24 EMTs passed out from Civil Defence this week. Another 20+ from OMAC due to get results early next week to add to the 20+ that passed out in early May. The country will be full of EMTs. Its bound to have a knock on to the private training companies. Good for the patients though.

Fair play to CD + OMAC.

At least we can now have identification as a minimum and not everyone running around with colourful jackets.

EMT is a minimum for patient transport in an ambulance now.

I foresee our Emergency frontline ambulances being freed up as vols start to transport non-urgent patients from duties.

Non-urgent of course meaning no blues & twos.

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Hooch

Yes signed in last week at a PHECC acreditation meeting.

There is now over 300 EMTs in the state, and as said above it is climbing and climbing and will for some time.

EFR is becoming the new OFA and EMT is the new EFR, if you will.

Its a great course and a great qualification to have under your belt and would be recommended to anyone who has an interest in pre hospital care. Its great that IRC is now able to train EMTs (although there was some stiff opposition:rolleyes:).

Hooch

sgthighway wrote: »

Confirmation on the above:
http://www.phecit.ie/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1286

Another 24 EMTs passed out from Civil Defence this week. Another 20+ from OMAC due to get results early next week to add to the 20+ that passed out in early May. The country will be full of EMTs. Its bound to have a knock on to the private training companies. Good for the patients though.

Company......there is only one (and they broke the landmark with PHECC to get the acrediation when everyone else failed)

Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

Fair play to CD + OMAC.

At least we can now have identification as a minimum and not everyone running around with colourful jackets.

EMT is a minimum for patient transport in an ambulance now.

I foresee our Emergency frontline ambulances being freed up as vols start to transport non-urgent patients from duties.

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Non AS1 calls of course

sgthighway

nice guy always wrote: »

Company......there is only one (and they broke the landmark with PHECC to get the acrediation when everyone else failed)

1. Medicall
2. IATI

Hooch

sgthighway wrote: »

1. Medicall
2. IATI

Do medicall not just train their own EMTs at the moment.....as in they have not run any public courses??

And IATI were the first to receive the acrediation....

DubMedic

They can pay for you on an EMT Course so you can work for them. As in you have to work for them and are under contract until you have paid them back. Afaik.

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sgthighway

As well as a lot of EMTs their are now a lot of Phecc Registered Tutors who could in theory be working for several companies at the same time. I am not sure but I'd imagine a lot of them would be just paid per class or contract. I don't know if Medicall are doing Public

Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

They can pay for you on an EMT Course so you can work for them. As in you have to work for them and are under contract until you have paid them back. Afaik.

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They run them for themselves now (not for that long, would have to check the books to see if they have acually run one) but the way you describe was the old way of doing it alright was far as i know

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

They run them for themselves now (not for that long, would have to check the books to see if they have acually run one) but the way you describe was the old way of doing it alright was far as i know

You mean that they run them internally for the public or that they run them for potential employees?.

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Hooch

sgthighway wrote: »

As well as a lot of EMTs their are now a lot of Phecc Registered Tutors who could in theory be working for several companies at the same time. I am not sure but I'd imagine a lot of them would be just paid per class or contract. I don't know if Medicall are doing Public

Once they are listed on a facuality they can train to their level. IE EMT can only train EMT and so on. But your right....there are a lot of Tutors out there now mostly from NAS (with another class completing the final two week course within the next two months after completing the first two week teaching method course last month in Kildare)

EDIT: paid per day delivered is the norm for tutor or assistant tutor

Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

You mean that they run them internally for the public or that they run them for potential employees?.

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They run them internally for their own staff at the moment. As in they had a lot of drivers only who would just drive while EMT covers PTS. The drivers are now being up skilled to EMT afaik

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

They run them internally for their own staff at the moment. As in they had a lot of drivers only who would just drive while EMT covers PTS. The drivers are now being up skilled to EMT afaik

That's what i've been hearing.

I was in the staff cafeteria in Beaumont Hospital not long ago and the PAS crew that was there were both EMT.

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Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

That's what i've been hearing.

I was in the staff cafeteria in Beaumont Hospital not long ago and the PAS crew that was there were both EMT.

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Ya thats the way its going. Should be Paras by right but sure EMT isnt that far away!!!! (open can of worms:D:p)

Hopefully the issue with Paramedic acrediation will be sorted soon allowing people to become Paramedics privately. (looks like a long time, but im fighting hard!!!)

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

Ya thats the way its going. Should be Paras by right but sure EMT isnt that far away!!!! (open can of worms:D:p)

Hopefully the issue with Paramedic acrediation will be sorted soon allowing people to become Paramedics privately. (looks like a long time, but im fighting hard!!!)

It's a rocky road alright, I'm suprised at PHECC tbh.

Let's go one step at a time, no doubt soon we will have the moaning of 'why aren't we allowed use blue lights and sirens?'.

NASC is still being block booked by the NAS for Paramedic training.

However, with that said there might be a chance that IATI can work towards being accredited for Paramedic. EMT in the voluntaries is by and large a good idea. But i'd like to see IATI carefully try and attain Paramedic, with the co-op of the NAS though. That way we can have two institutions turning out Para's to help an understaffed NAS.

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Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

It's a rocky road alright, I'm suprised at PHECC tbh.

Let's go one step at a time, no doubt soon we will have the moaning of 'why aren't we allowed use blue lights and sirens?'.

NASC is still being block booked by the NAS for Paramedic training.

However, with that said there might be a chance that IATI can work towards being accredited for Paramedic. EMT in the voluntaries is by and large a good idea. But i'd like to see IATI carefully try and attain Paramedic, with the co-op of the NAS though. That way we can have two institutions turning out Para's to help an understaffed NAS.

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I belive thats the goal, their last submission for upskill training of paramedics was only sent back for clarification once.....on a spelling error. (wow...only once!!!)

The biggest problem here is the placements as PHECC require months of internship. The 9-10 weeks of theory is no problem, nor will be the submission to teach Paramedic (judging by the last submission). The placements are. At the moment NASC, who in theory are a company, have full rights to the placements and so Privates cannot get in there. Also I think the internship preiod is too long. Competency based training would be better, cover certain number of calls and use skills a set number of times.

Until that problem with placements, and length of time is sorted private paramedic training is going nowhere.......but I agree with you, if IATI joined NASC then it would roll out much needed Paras faster. They already do the driving teaching for NAS....why not the training also.

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

I belive thats the goal, their last submission for upskill training of paramedics was only sent back for clarification once.....on a spelling error. (wow...only once!!!)

At the moment NASC, who in theory are a company, have full rights to the placements and so Privates cannot get in there.

Everyone needs to gather around a table and discuss this, we hide behind office doors in this country, and the guys on the streets are suffering as a consequence . What was that I heard about funding being cut from the AP program?, But yet McClintock can drain something like 70,000 of expenses from the HSE without a sweat.

So essentially management is failing Paramedics who need/want upskilling, and the Paramedic hopefuls are being left on a waiting list to wait until the next class is over so that they can start.

Vicious circle.

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Elessar

I always thought it must be against some EU competition rules that the Paramedic qualification cannot be done privately here?

With the way it is with EMT, the NAS/HSE just don't want to know if you are looking for placements. That's why all emergency ambulance placements are done with the privates in Galway. I get the feeling NAS management just do not like private companies or anyone looking to train in PHEC outside themselves.

For Paramedic level, PHECC specify a minimum of 19 weeks internship. Without the involvement of NAS, that is impossible for any company. And then 12 months post grad internship?? Not going to happen without NAS.

That's effectively like the HSE (and thereby, the government) blocking individuals from gaining the title, which must be against some EU competition law...

Elessar

nice guy always wrote: »

They run them for themselves now (not for that long, would have to check the books to see if they have acually run one) but the way you describe was the old way of doing it alright was far as i know

They used to send staff to NATS to train to EMT under a contract. They only just got recognition for EMT along with the Red Cross. Not sure what they plan to use it for though.

DubMedic

Elessar wrote: »

I always thought it must be against some EU competition rules that the Paramedic qualification cannot be done privately here?

I get the feeling NAS management just do not like private companies or anyone looking to train in PHEC outside themselves.

Screw EU competition law.

I wouldn't like to see someone approach a patient and say.
'I'm sorry I cannot help you with a little more advanced treatment but EU Law has prevented me from training further'.

At the end of the day , the people who make these laws obviously live in a society where the paramedics are as skilled as can be and have never experienced a messed up health service.

Also, on the point of the NAS management not liking PAS, that's not true.
Just ask McClintock , he took one of their helicopters to a public event and is well in with management of these PAS.

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DubMedic

Elessar wrote: »

They used to send staff to NATS to train to EMT under a contract. They only just got recognition for EMT along with the Red Cross. Not sure what they plan to use it for though.

I might be going out on a limb here, but to train EMTs?.

It's to save funds.

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Elessar

DubMedic wrote: »

Screw EU competition law.

I wouldn't like to see someone approach a patient and say.
'I'm sorry I cannot help you with a little more advanced treatment but EU Law has prevented me from training further'.

I think you mistook me. I was saying it must be against EU rules that you cannot be a paramedic without being a government employee. Maybe someone needs to get Brussels to take a look and force the HSE to accomodate anyone wishing to become a Para.

Just so we're on the same page

DubMedic

Elessar wrote: »

I think you mistook me. I was saying it must be against EU rules that you cannot be a paramedic without being a government employee. Maybe someone needs to get Brussels to take a look and force the HSE to accomodate anyone wishing to become a Para.

Just so we're on the same page

Nice to know people in the same line of work can get on.

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Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

Nice to know people in the same line of work can get on.

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We can all get along.....I can never understand why people would stop/block someone from bettering themselves. Newly trained Paras or paras who are acredited after being trained outside the state cannot take peoples jobs!! Every practitioner is out for the same thing, patient welfare

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

We can all get along.....I can never understand why people would stop/block someone from bettering themselves. Newly trained Paras or paras who are acredited after being trained outside the state cannot take peoples jobs!! Every practitioner is out for the same thing, patient welfare

I would personally have one exception to that.

That would be the DFB AP's who trained in Boston.

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Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

I would personally have one exception to that.

That would be the DFB AP's who trained in Boston.

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Why....am I missing something?? Did they step on toes?

(not being smart here dub, just wondering for my own info)

DubMedic

nice guy always wrote: »

Why....am I missing something?? Did they step on toes?

(not being smart here dub, just wondering for my own info)

My apologies NGA.

I thought you meant anybody who trained outside the state.

I just thought about it again there and realized you meant individuals trained outside eire that then come over here and join the HSE. I know of one of these people and is a really nice individual , but unfortunately at a loss to the NAS, has gone back home to practice.

Of course there will always be exceptions in EMS , I can explain that by PM if you wish to know more.

I have met a few of the DFB AP's myself and they are really nice people tbh, no problems with them at all.

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sgthighway

Another 30 EMTs got the PASS Result today via OMAC.

Hooch

sgthighway wrote: »

Another 30 EMTs got the PASS Result today via OMAC.

No resits? Were you talking to them?

How they find the OSCE and MCQ?