Attack on female Garda in Dublin

helimachoptor

Pretty shoocked by this especially the fact that no one intervened.
A good female friend of mine is a member, she's about 5'2 and is generally by herself and tbh i do worriy about her.

TBH I would have no qualms about intervening to help a Gardai, not that i'm a have a go hero or naything.

Pretty shocking altogether, hope she's ok.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/savage-attack-on-woman-garda-1782039.html

A FEMALE garda suffered a savage attack on a busy Dublin street as people recorded the incident on their mobile phones.
The officer was bitten in the face and attacked with a bottle in the horrific incident which happened in broad daylight on Aston Quay.
However, despite the large crowds of passers-by, no one came to the aid of the young woman and some even began recording the ongoing attack on their phones.
Three youths, including one 17-year-old girl, have been arrested after the incident. The woman was left her with facial injuries and bruises to the body in the incident which saw her beaten all over and her eyes gouged.
A 17-year-old girl was arrested and was questioned by gardai. She was later released without charge. Two further youths, aged 18 and 20, were arrested and charged with public order offences.
Gardai who rushed to their colleague’s aid had to stop one bystander filming the injured garda on his mobile phone. The garda was on patrol alone at the time of the frenzied assault on Thursday evening.
The garda, who is in her 20s, is based at Pearse Street Station.
DRINKING
She had spoken to a gang of youths about drinking in public when the attack happened. And as the attack was taking place, one of the gang of youths she had confronted told bystanders: “It serves her right, she’s a pig.”
The officer is now recovering at home after being taken to hospital for treatment. Michael O’Boyce of the Garda Representative Association hit out at the lack of assistance from the public.
“Not only did members of the public not come to her assistance, but they stood by and captured it on their mobile phones,” he added.
Anthony Comiskey, a witness who came on the scene at Aston Quay just after the attack at around 8pm, said he was shocked by what he saw. Mr Comiskey, a credit controller, told the Herald: “She was sitting on the footpath being tended to by some colleagues.
She looked a bit stunned. Someone who saw what happened said she had been attacked with a bottle or a glass. She was on her own and nobody stepped in to help her. A guy in a grey tracksuit at the scene actually said to a few people: ‘It serves her right, she’s a pig.’”
“I just shook my head and said, ‘you’re wrong’.” “He was part of a small gang at the scene. I was told there were a few girls and some fellas drinking and the garda went up to them and told them it wasn’t allowed.
AMBULANCE
“The girl involved was being put into a garda van and an ambulance arrived.” Gardai investigating the attack said it was “not unusual” for female officers to patrol busy areas alone at that time.
“Gardai have arrested a female aged 17 as a result of a serious assault on a female garda member which occurred at Merchant’s Arch,” a spokesman said.
He said the officer had suffered “serious enough” injuries, but was discharged from hospital that night and was now convalescing at home. Her injuries included a bloody nose, sprained fingers and bruising to her body.

DubMedic

And scumbags like this one that attacked the Gardaí wonder why they are being bothered ?
I think it answers itself when you attack a Garda.

low-life scum, lock them all up.

Really boils my blood.

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Hooch

DubMedic wrote: »

And scumbags like this one that attacked the Gardaí wonder why they are being bothered ?
I think it answers itself when you attack a Garda.

low-life scum, lock them all up.

Really boils my blood.

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+1

My best wishes to the members recovery. Hope the youths get some long time inside.

devereaux17

there needs to be a zero tolerance approach for **** sake, garda needed to be proper machines, seriously most garda aren't good enough to be out there, there should be police everywhere.

there is simply too much people in ireland that should not have the capability to be free, they need to be restriced. huge numbers of gardai should man the worst areas of dublin, take the scum out with little or no sympathy.

shqipshume

So terrible best wishes to her and her family,wishing her speedy recovery,

Those kind of people are just sick:mad:

Sleipnir

It's shocking. People recording it???

However, in this country where the law is an ass, if I went to help the Garda by kicking the **** out of the offenders, I would also be risking arrest and/or civil action.

The law strangles what's left of the good in people.

dolby

devereaux17 wrote: »

there needs to be a zero tolerance approach for **** sake, garda needed to be proper machines, seriously most garda aren't good enough to be out there, there should be police everywhere.

there is simply too much people in ireland that should not have the capability to be free, they need to be restriced. huge numbers of gardai should man the worst areas of dublin, take the scum out with little or no sympathy.

I dont agree, Gardai have to work within the law, if Gardai step out of line in any way they get the ombudsman on there backs!! and even if they work within the law the country's judicial system is a joke and will give a stupid suspended sentence to scum who will still carry out serious crimes against the average joe when they are on the streets!! oh I wonder how much crime is caused by people on bail?..

Latchy

If the Gardai dont get the support from the public in incidents like this then then it doesn't encourge confidence in themselfs or for that matter , the public .

Sam Kade

Sleipnir wrote: »

It's shocking. People recording it???

However, in this country where the law is an ass, if I went to help the Garda by kicking the **** out of the offenders, I would also be risking arrest and/or civil action.

The law strangles what's left of the good in people.

No you wouldn't have to kick the **** out of them all that was needed was for a few people to restrain them.

sickpuppy

This is terrible but scumbags dont give afcuk.

Does anyone think that a 5 foot 2 woman might be incapable of protecting herself?

i dont want to sound old fashioned but thats a small woman and no matter how trained she was could possible be easily overpowered.

Also should police not be in pairs in case an incident like this a rises you need your partner to have your back.

Would these animals have been so quick to attacka big man of course not a small woman police officer or not was seen as an easy target.

And the people who did not intervene are a disgrace but many people are afraid of there lives of conflict.

I see women in the police and they look tiny i know theres more to it than being a big lump but asome physical strength is surely beneficial.

I wish this woman a quick recovery and worry what would happen if it was late at night and not many witnesses about could be a real tragedy in the making officers should be paired at all times

Jenroche

I just can't believe that people stood their filming the incident on their phones and didn't do anything to help her. What's wrong with people

Jen ;->

Tefral

Say you walked up and helped the garda (from a guys perspective), in a fight with 2 guys you would have to use excessive force to stop them. How would you then deal with the girl? Especially if she started to attack you? could you tackle her to the ground? Surely if you restrained her, the other 2 guys would get back up and then attack you?

Say you did manage to subdue the 2 males, and the female... and you hurt them in the process...surely you are leaving yourself open to an assault charge or a civil case at best?

Its true what they say really, the law is setup to protect criminals. :mad:

Turner

cronin_j wrote: »

Say you walked up and helped the garda (from a guys perspective), in a fight with 2 guys you would have to use excessive force to stop them. How would you then deal with the girl? Especially if she started to attack you? could you tackle her to the ground? Surely if you restrained her, the other 2 guys would get back up and then attack you?

Say you did manage to subdue the 2 males, and the female... and you hurt them in the process...surely you are leaving yourself open to an assault charge or a civil case at best?

Its true what they say really, the law is setup to protect criminals. :mad:

Check out link below.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0019.html

If you are helping a Garda, and you are attacked or assaulted. It is the same a the person attacking a Garda.

dolby

Its pure narrow minded Ireland! If a girl was getting her fu@king head kicked in she needs help!! Fu@k do people really think first "oh wait I might get in trouble,so I wont help" OMG!!:eek:

sickpuppy

Well you do here horror stories of have a go heoes getting hurt bad or killed sometimes so i can understand some people being afraid.

Society i see it most days are afraid of conflict someone smokes on the bus they say nothing
people litter etc people are afraid to say bin it
and if anyone woman or man came at me with a bottle id smash them thats a deadly weapon
but if u did hurt one of em bad im sure a judge would see ya were doing a good job and youd be ok

Sam Kade

cronin_j wrote: »

Say you walked up and helped the garda (from a guys perspective), in a fight with 2 guys you would have to use excessive force to stop them. How would you then deal with the girl? Especially if she started to attack you? could you tackle her to the ground? Surely if you restrained her, the other 2 guys would get back up and then attack you?

Say you did manage to subdue the 2 males, and the female... and you hurt them in the process...surely you are leaving yourself open to an assault charge or a civil case at best?

Its true what they say really, the law is setup to protect criminals. :mad:

The street was full at the time there was plenty of people around to restrain them.

Tefral

Chief--- wrote: »

Check out link below.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0019.html

If you are helping a Garda, and you are attacked or assaulted. It is the same a the person attacking a Garda.

Interesting to say the least.

One more question based on this, does this indemnify you from a criminal or civil action against you? It would appear it wouldnt, from reading that link it seems it wouldnt...

A question a garda might answer: Would the station that deals with this help the member of the public that helped your colleague in anyway in court etc if an action was taken against them? Lets face it Gardai do have a lot of influence within a court room..

Sleipnir

Chief--- wrote: »

Check out link below.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0019.html

If you are helping a Garda, and you are attacked or assaulted. It is the same a the person attacking a Garda.

So....if I help an ordinary citizen being attacked and I go to help, I'm not afforded the same protection as if I was helping a Garda being attacked?

Help an ordinary citizen - not protected.
Help a garda - protected.

That's wrong!

Tefral

Sleipnir wrote: »

So....if I help an ordinary citizen being attacked and I go to help, I'm not afforded the same protection as if I was helping a Garda being attacked?

Help an ordinary citizen - not protected.
Help a garda - protected.

That's wrong!

It wouldnt appear they are "protected" only that the penalties are worse for attacking a Garda than a civilian?

Omeceron

just help, **** the consequences

Sleipnir

Omeceron wrote: »

just help, **** the consequences

Well I would anyway because I actually do see red. Only ever happened twice in my life but once it starts.....
I'm not The Citizen though.

Turner

Yes but no matter what happens it will end up in a courtroom in front of a judge.

Judges hate scum bags as much as Joe pubic do.

As long as you dont do anything excessive and can account for your actions i wouldnt worry..

Sleipnir

Chief--- wrote: »

Yes but no matter what happens it will end up in a courtroom in front of a judge.

Judges hate scum bags as much as Joe pubic do.

As long as you dont do anything excessive and can account for your actions i wouldnt worry..

So fecking them into the Liffey.....?

Omeceron

id prefer to be in court for helping than to feel the guilt for not helping.

Con.

Bad enough standing there watching it and doing absolute nothing about it. But recording it? Lowlives! :mad:

Tefral

Omeceron wrote: »

id prefer to be in court for helping than to feel the guilt for not helping.

I concur... But not only because she was a garda, but any female that would be in trouble.

Id like to think if my two sisters or my mother were attacked someone would help them. And im pretty sure anybody here would feel the same. Its simply disgusting that they recorded that on their phones and didnt help.

goldie fish

cronin_j wrote: »

I concur... But not only because she was a garda, but any female that would be in trouble.

Id like to think if my two sisters or my mother were attacked someone would help them. And im pretty sure anybody here would feel the same. Its simply disgusting that they recorded that on their phones and didnt help.

Its an everyday occurrence.
These attacks rarely make the news. Unless it is to say how Garda Compensation is bleeding the state dry of course.:mad:

The Gardai have lost the support of the public, from a practical point of view. By Ms Staines reasoning, is it then time to routinely arm all gardai?

Trojan911

First off, it was an horrendous attack on a member of AGS, irrespective of the member being a female. The fact is, it was done and done apparently by youths.

The lack of public intervention is a sign of todays generation. Whether it is fear or not, I don't know.

I know if I came across this I would intervene, others may not. Some call it self preservation and would rubberneck.

This, and more, is what the Gardai have to deal with on a regular occurance.

How many Gardai have attended a domestic when the female has been subjected to a beating from a violent partner & when the partner is arrested the complainant (female) then attacks the Garda?

I would, from experience, say a lot.

Yes, this comes with the package when one joins up, but it dosent help with the lack of support from Government level regarding eqiupment & training.

I look at the time I spent in the Met and then I look at how the Gardai are treated here and I can quite safely say, I was pampered in the Met.

I wish this officer a speedy recovery...

Zambia

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Sully

Absolutely appalling. I am disgusted that, not only that a young Garda was attacked so bad but that the bystanders did **** all and just recorded it. All it took was two or three of those people to go in and pull the poor girl out.

It should be a criminal offense not to assist a Garda or member of the public who is in danger. This whole event just turns my stomach.

utick

'''She looked a bit stunned. Someone who saw what happened said she had been attacked with a bottle or a glass. She was on her own and nobody stepped in to help her. A guy in a grey tracksuit at the scene actually said to a few people: ‘It serves her right, she’s a pig.’”


absoulutly disgusting

Random

People saying you should jump in to stop a fight. Personally I think this is a stupid generalisation. Each situation needs to be judged on it's own merits and if someone is getting attacked the best thing for you to do might be to get help rather than intervene and have 2 of you badly injured. It's also hard sometimes to actually know who the bad guy is and who the good guy is - just because they have the upper hand you may not be doing the right thing. You may hold the wrong guy down and make things a lot worse.

As for jumping in to help a garda, well that's different. In this situation you can assume that the garda is the "good guy" so I'd be more inclined to do it. I don't know how this happened on a busy street and no one jumped in to help the garda (I'm not saying female garda .. honestly, she's female .. who cares.. ) who was clearly (from what I read) getting their ass kicked says a lot about people these days. Either there's no respect for the Gardai, there's a fear of the consequences of getting involved, or a fear to get your own ass kicked.

I don't know if it's right to just blame all the passers by .. but at the same time .. you wonder.

Without knowing the full circumstances (and by this I mean actually seeing how the whole thing looked at the time - I'd be interested to see the video footage) it's hard to truly judge what should have been done and when.

I guess my main concern here is - Aston Quay .. right bang in Dublin City Centre .. where the hell was the backup?

Latchy

Think of the Irony here folks ,somebody jumps you and cause serious injury to you ,you would like to think that somebody will assist you and the gaurds will turn up and either apprehend the culprits or at least take details of the attack .

I suspect in a lot of cases ,many people might just dust themselfs down and either head home or go to the local hospital without the attack being repoted and put on police file .

How many people over the years have being attacked in our towns and citys without it being reported ? Hundreds ? Thousends ?

Food for thought .

Terrontress

My view in this is that the Garda is, or should be, the expert and if he or she is unable to take control of the situation, I would not get involved. I wouldn't want to get a broken nose to do the job that the state is paid to do.

If it is unsafe for a Garda to patrol on their own or the individual is not up to the task then they should not be sent out on their own. And as pointed out above, there should have been backup close at hand.

I'd be more inclined to help a lone female than a lone female Garda as the lone female Garda has a baton, self-defence training and a radio.

FFS, where was back-up?

It was obviously close by if the three attackers were ARRESTED. We don't tail members when they are on the beat on the off-chance that they get attacked.

Random

You make a fair point foreign. I guess by backup I also mean the single person patrol etc.

Terrontress

If anyone saw an electrician dealing with a life threatening situation with the DART lines would they jump in and start grappling with wires because they know how to change a plug?

Given that this Garda was bitten in the face, if I heard of someone getting involved off the side of the road, they got bitten, had to get AIDS tests etc. I'd feel they should have known better than to have jumped in.

civdef

When the public feel that maintaining law and order is the exclusive duty of the police, and that they have no role to play, we're screwed.

To quote the seventh of Robert Peel's 9 Principles (1829):

Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence

Hope the officer recovers fully and soon.

Sully

civdef wrote: »

Hope the officer recovers fully and soon.

She probably wont, but I would hope she returns to work and shows the scumbags that she wont remain knocked down.

Manic Moran

I think Peel's principles have been waylayed by the legal system.

Bad enough standing there watching it and doing absolute nothing about it. But recording it? Lowlives!

Beats standing there and not recording it. At least there's video evidence for the court case.

There's also the Genovese effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect. The more people witness something, the less likely anyone is going to intervene.

I'd like to think I'd step in, but I consider myself one of the sheepdogs in the analogy. Blissfull ignorance, and 'it's not my department' seems to be the rule of the day now.

NTM

Terrontress

civdef wrote: »

When the public feel that maintaining law and order is the exclusive duty of the police, and that they have no role to play, we're screwed.

To quote the seventh of Robert Peel's 9 Principles (1829):



Hope the officer recovers fully and soon.

I think I would have taken a very active role. I would have actively discouraged others from getting involved, made a 999 call and made note of pertinent information for any future legal case and most importantly, would have been disgusted by the actions of the criminals.

Just because someone does not rush in to such a situation gung ho, fists flying, does not mean that they are not playing a role.

mike kelly

I think that female gardai are absolutely useless.

only men should be hired as guards.

seanybiker

I cant believe people just stood there looking at it. I be in like a bullet. I go everywhere on me bike so always have a helmet to swing at someone

Hooch

mike kelly wrote: »

I think that female gardai are absolutely useless.

only men should be hired as guards.

Silly narrow minded statement IMO

Terrontress

seanybiker wrote: »

I cant believe people just stood there looking at it. I be in like a bullet. I go everywhere on me bike so always have a helmet to swing at someone

And you connect with someone in the stomach. They fall over, crack their head off the pavement and the next thing you know, you're up for manslaughter of a 17 year girl who despite the fact she has just bitten a cop in the face is portrayed in the media to be a poor, troubled sole with a lovely smile who loved her mammy.

Good man.

Keep swinging that weapon.

Random

mike kelly wrote: »

I think that female gardai are absolutely useless.

only men should be hired as guards.

While I agree there's a number of female Gardai I've seen that don't look threatening the same could be said of some of the blokes too.

I think the problem really needs to be with deployment and that the big heavys get sent to the riots and the not so heavys don't.

I guess a lot of a Gardai's work isn't all combat though so it's about the personality / ability as well.

kravmaga

I hope she gets better soon, terrible attack from what I read in the Herald.

Garda Management will have to re-think patrolling alone after this incident.

From a Risk assessment point of view there is no way a female Officer should be out on her own on foot patrol in a major city.

Since the height restriction was done away with a few years back I have noticed the lack of height in the Garda on patrol in Dublin.

IMO should always be 2 Officers on patrol at all times and feck resource issues.

bigass

mike kelly wrote: »

I think that female gardai are absolutely useless.

only men should be hired as guards.

I have sat a read this comment for 5-10 minutes and can't for the life of me make sense out of it.
I have never measured myself against any other member. But I consider myself very good at my job, just as good as the next women or man and I am still learning and extremely dedicated.

For you to pass a remark like that shows the lack of brains you have, ignorant person .


Must dash kitchen sink is waiting!!!

helimachoptor

bigass wrote: »

I have sat a read this comment for 5-10 minutes and can't for the life of me make sense out of it.

Yeah me too

I was chatting to my friend about this. Its something she's worried about. She's had a couple of "near misses" where things could have gotten out of control but back up arrived in time.

And the thing is these scumbags will probably get a slap on the wrist. Shameful justice system.

bigass

helimachoptor wrote: »

Yeah me too

I was chatting to my friend about this. Its something she's worried about. She's had a couple of "near misses" where things could have gotten out of control but back up arrived in time.

And the thing is these scumbags will probably get a slap on the wrist. Shameful justice system.

No matter who you are, there is always someone out there that can over power you woman or man.

Amalgam

One person biting another person is pretty low.. can they heap on extra charges because of that, risk of infection, hepatitis etc?

I loathe this carry on of an attacker recording another person's misery, usually with a mobile phone. This habit really does frame a scummer's peculiar outlook on life and how they perceive other people around them.