Assaults in Waterford

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My son was badly assaulted on Friday night I was told that its a craze at the moment and they film it on mobilephones and post on utube does anyone know of this and do they have a link

renraw

I saw a crazy fight outside centre on john street on Saturday night, load of kids (16/17) messing round but that got out of hand. Seem's to have moved from schools to the streets. Same thing is happening on the quay every weekend without fail.

KingLoser

It's pathetic.

You'll probably see links to videos on 4chan.org/b/ ... (NSFW, or anything really...)

Hope your son is OK. My cousin got a baytin out in Tramore there last week.

Cabaal

your kidding me right, these people are retarded
They cause a fight and then record it and upload it, they do realise that they can be tracked down if people wanted to do it, odds are these people are not smart enough to go through some private proxy

ziedth

this kind of thing worries me tbh,

Like the lads said how stupid can they be if they put this kind of thing out to the public.

Not The Real Scarecrow

Think the problem is that they just don't care( the scumbags that is).They get great kudos off their other retarded mates for uploading the crap and if they do get caught for it its just something else for them to brag about and even if they get caught because they're mostly minors they'll just get a slap on the wrist.
Really sorry to hear about your kid getting assaulted, I think its scandalous that its becoming the usual for this crap to happen around the town.When I was younger there was a bit of rouble around the town but nothing like at the moment.It just sickens me to see young people have a form of innocence taken away from them by a group of thugs and morons.

lilmissprincess

Happened to a few friends of mine, one attack I actually witnessed and the only reason they stopped was because they heard me talking to the guards on the phone, broad daylight like 6pm, four girls kicking one girl on the ground after decking her boyfriend. Went to give guards a statement and their response was that they can do nothing unless it happens again.
Really makes me wonder wtf is with our justice system.

paddy smith

scum is all these toerags are.

foxylad

was this reported to the Gardai?

what time did it happen?

there is CCTV in operation all round the city ?

pvt me details if u could

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check your messages

Sully

foxylad wrote: »

pvt me details if u could

Why? Seems an odd request. This is a matter for the Gardai really.

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the Gardai have been informed

Bards

lilmissprincess wrote: »

Happened to a few friends of mine, one attack I actually witnessed and the only reason they stopped was because they heard me talking to the guards on the phone, broad daylight like 6pm, four girls kicking one girl on the ground after decking her boyfriend. Went to give guards a statement and their response was that they can do nothing unless it happens again.
Really makes me wonder wtf is with our justice system.

Which is why we need a Victim Justice system and not a criminal justice system

ziedth

Bards wrote: »

Which is why we need a Victim Justice system and not a criminal justice system

In theory its a good idea, although outdated and somewhat impracticle i do think that the bibles eye for an eye teachings are worth considering.

I saw a teenie fight that side street between the belfry and the cathederal on one occassion maybe about 20 girls and lads with a few filming on their mobs, they didn't even bat an eye that a few of us where watcning in horror.

The whole situation sickens me a little bit. I mean alot of ua here are always spouting about the city centre and how it needs to be maintained if we're doing it so we can provide venues for a teenage fight club i'd rather see everything move out to the ORR tbh.

seanybiker

if i see any of the little bastids jumping on someone ill tear the head off em. Hate seen one person against 2 or more.

Sully

seanybiker wrote: »

if i see any of the little bastids jumping on someone ill tear the head off em. Hate seen one person against 2 or more.

Id love to do the same but jesus they would quickly turn on your with a knife. Its happened before that even the person being kicked around has fought the person trying to defend them. Best just call the Guards, give a shout at them but prob wont listen.

Fajitas!

I think it's called 'Happy Slapping' - There was a lady on the Dublin forum last year that had it happen to her on the LUAS, she was able to use CCTV to track down the uniforms I think. Little sh*ts.

Cabaal

You'd wounder who coined the term "Happy Slapping", its far from happy

Waynecarr

My view is that if you kick someone in the head while on the ground that’s attempted murder and anyone who does such a cowardly thing should be locked up for. Where as years ago when someone was knocked down that was the end of it, now it seems to be the start of it. Very casual attitude to violence with young people these days and only seems to be getting worse. We have all seen it and these wild animals such be treated as such.

Would be interesting to see how many incidents users here have seen or encountered in the last month for example to get an idea of how widespread this really is.

gscully

Who is their target? Is it other teenagers, or are they just as likely to assault an adult of 30-40?

ziedth

Say in the last maybe 2 years I'd say off the top of my head i've seen fights at "reasonable times" maybe 4 times say twice with teens more recently and twice with "Adults" and I use the term loosely.

I was led to believe that happy slapping was running upto someone and getting a shot in and legging for dear life not say kicking on the groud ETC.

Hold on this is priceless: athough possibly NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRuGi-Pp-TI

gobo99

that video is class!

seanybiker

Sully wrote: »

Id love to do the same but jesus they would quickly turn on your with a knife. Its happened before that even the person being kicked around has fought the person trying to defend them. Best just call the Guards, give a shout at them but prob wont listen.

Ill just leave me helemet on and use swing the pillion one around and run into the middle of them lol. Little scummy, trackies tucked into their socks people flying all over the shop. Be some laugh.

qork

I spent last Friday night in A&E at WRH with my young lad, a victim of these "scumbags".
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magick

Cabaal wrote: »

You'd wounder who coined the term "Happy Slapping", its far from happy

it was that drink Tango that made it,

they had an ad of someone slapping a random stranger and the stranger had a look of shock on his face, needless to say the ad was pulled and instead the orange tango man kissed him instead

brendansmith

The Gardai should be doing more to protect the weaker part of society imho.

Not The Real Scarecrow

And if the guards can't do it maybe a few people from around waterford should form some sort of "community watch" group.

qork

In my opinion there should be a much higher visible Garda presence on the streets.
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I'd like to know how many Gardai are working in the city, how many per rota and where their routes are

shapez

Sorry to hear about those who were vitiums of some cowardly acts. Correct me if I'm wrong but was there not a "vigilante" watch group some years back that all dressed in the same clothes and just walked about the centre of town at the weekend?

KTRIC

shapez wrote: »

Sorry to hear about those who were vitiums of some cowardly acts. Correct me if I'm wrong but was there not a "vigilante" watch group some years back that all dressed in the same clothes and just walked about the centre of town at the weekend?

Gardai ??

Thats just a myth to be honest.

Asmodean

Sorry to hear about your son OP. This sort of thing is sickeningly common nowadays. 2 years back my sister got a beating off a thug when she was IN supermacs. Neither the staff nor Gardai paid the slightest bit of attention, with the usually mentioned, nothing can be done. Makes me sick to my stomach. My family had numerous discussions with the Gardai and the management of Supermacs to no avail.
It really is no wonder thugs are commiting such heinous acts of random violence when there are clearly no types of punishment whatsoever meted out.

baronflyguy

In some cases the one and only time you ever call the cops and they cant do anything you loose faith in the system and also the thugs know they can get away with it so they have no respect for authorities. Pity it happens like that.

It was a topic I wanted to discuss during the last local elections and I only got to talk to one person (Stephanie Keating) who showed interest in anti social behaviour, somehow I either missed or the canvassers didnt ring my door bell when I was there BUT I got loads of leaflets dropped in my door wheil I was at home and which went straight to the recycle bin.

I voted for the person (not bothered what party they were in, just what can they do for my locality to make it a better place) in the local elections, a lot of people I talked to voted for the party thinking the government would fall which to me was a waste especially at local elections.

Did anyone else bring up anti social behaviour last month when election canvassing was on to people who called to your door?

I havent seen or heard of "happy slapping" (stupid term for thuggery) but have noticed a dramatic increase in breakings while people are asleep in their house up in my area. One neighbour (young fella) caught the 3 lads who broke into the house (16,17 and 18), held one to the ground until the garda arrived. Fair play to him. Heard not much happend to them only a fine.

Thats my 2 cents to this topic.

merlante

I'd say the suburbs are worse than the city centre to be honest. A friend of mine lives in Ardkeen village and I hear a lot of stories about the activities of certain families from the estates in and around here. In the centre, it's mainly isolated incidents in my experience. In the suburbs people are often targeted over a prolonged period.

I'll tell you something, I would be very tempted to join a "neighbourhood watch" effort. But you have to be very careful, the scumbags have nothing to lose, whereas I'm betting most of the people on here value their job, their property, their family, their position in society, their lack of criminal record, the fact that they've probably never been in court, etc., etc. You could lose everything going down that road and you can be sure the ****ers would be laughing up in your face because the vast majority of them won't ever see the inside of a cell.

baronflyguy

merlante wrote: »

I'll tell you something, I would be very tempted to join a "neighbourhood watch" effort. But you have to be very careful, the scumbags have nothing to lose, whereas I'm betting most of the people on here value their job, their property, their family, their position in society, their lack of criminal record, the fact that they've probably never been in court, etc., etc. You could lose everything going down that road and you can be sure the ****ers would be laughing up in your face because the vast majority of them won't ever see the inside of a cell.

Well this is it, well said merlante.

Our law is outdated for the new breed of scumbags out there. They have nothing to fear anymore from 'minor' crimes. I'd love to see a bootcamp setup or something and put them in the middle of nowhere to survive a month of up at 6am, 5 mile run etc. Discipline and respect is what is needed in the majority of these thugs. They are no bodies when they are on their own with no weisel friends to show off too.

merlante

baronflyguy wrote: »

Well this is it, well said merlante.

Our law is outdated for the new breed of scumbags out there. They have nothing to fear anymore from 'minor' crimes. I'd love to see a bootcamp setup or something and put them in the middle of nowhere to survive a month of up at 6am, 5 mile run etc. Discipline and respect is what is needed in the majority of these thugs. They are no bodies when they are on their own with no weisel friends to show off too.

Our law and policing is nothing but a sham to make the middle class feel safe and respectable. In reality, the bad guys are not punished and the good guys are picked out and attacked one by one and the rest of us hope and assume that the system will take care of it. Well it won't. It's like a bloody hurling game where the ref is not looking after the players...

I don't know what the solution is, but something has to change. It's not even anything to do with drugs or money half the time, it's just pure wantoness.

But I'll say one thing, anyone who is as pissed off with this **** as I am, would want to forget about feeling sorry for criminals who come from 'disadvantaged backgrounds' or trying to avoid 'criminalising' people or pushing for softer sentences, or trying to emasculate the gardaí. I would rather live in a country where the gardaí occasionally rough up a few decent citizens by accident and come down on the scumbags like a ton of bricks, than live in the current situation where the cops can't do anything and where they are crucified for crossing the line.

It's a bit off topic, but you can't have it both ways. Either the cops can get physical or they can't, and jesus I'd give them whatever they need, the way things are.

I don't agree that any of this is new by the way. Think it was worse in years gone by to be honest, except for the phone recordings.

ziedth

See I don't know is going down the neighbourhood watch route the right call either, IMO there isn't much of dividing line between this and rounding up a posse and burning out people (Might be a touch OTT but you get my point)

I have to say I like the boot camp idea from a practical point of view I don't think it would work but in theory I think it would be great.

I do think that something has to be done, The thoughts of a family member (or anyone here ) getting jumped doen town and then the attacker to get away scot free makes me skin crawl TBH.

SUNGOD

shapez wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but was there not a "vigilante" watch group some years back that all dressed in the same clothes and just walked about the centre of town at the weekend?

no they were cureheads!:D

i know a girl who was assaulted in john street by a complete stranger resulting in a broken nose . on the night in question the guards were across the street and arrested the attacker immediately so even though i agree that there should be more guards on the street it is only a deterrent.
even though the attack was captured on CCTV the guards will not press charges unless the victim agrees to stand up in court.
something she is unwilling to do as one of the guards told her in detail of the attacker and her familys reputation and past assaults/crimes

renraw

OP, hope your son is ok? I live in the city centre and if I was to see a young lad being knocked baout the place by a gang of lads, i wouldn't think twice about getting involved, even if I knew they were going ta kick the sh1te outta me. they're cowards and if they were on their own they'd most definietly crap their pants.

dogs

merlante wrote: »

I would rather live in a country where the gardaí occasionally rough up a few decent citizens by accident and come down on the scumbags like a ton of bricks, than live in the current situation where the cops can't do anything and where they are crucified for crossing the line.

What?

So if you were the accidental "decent citizen" that was roughed up for no reason, you'd shrug it off and just accept it? I don't think that's likely.

Also I like the idea of bootcamps, but doughnuts and chips instead of 5 mile runs. I want muggers who can't run very fast.

merlante

dogs wrote: »

What?

So if you were the accidental "decent citizen" that was roughed up for no reason, you'd shrug it off and just accept it? I don't think that's likely.

I'd be pissed off, I'd make a complaint, but ultimately I would accept a situation where an apology was given, if I know that the cops are out there breaking scumbag heads --where necessary -- every other night of the week. We can't have it both ways.

I'm sick of this business of such and such being "known to gardaí" but nothing ever being done. I am not suggesting police brutality, but anyone who watches the Wire will have an idea of the sort of behaviour I'd condone.

Not The Real Scarecrow

merlante wrote: »

anyone who watches the Wire will have an idea of the sort of behaviour I'd condone.

Omar from the Wire


Really?
Not there's anything wrong with it.

nkay1985

merlante wrote: »

I'd say the suburbs are worse than the city centre to be honest. A friend of mine lives in Ardkeen village and I hear a lot of stories about the activities of certain families from the estates in and around here. In the centre, it's mainly isolated incidents in my experience. In the suburbs people are often targeted over a prolonged period.

Yeah my brother was telling me a couple of weeks ago about three friends of his who were walking from Tesco to The Grange, where two of them live.

As they passed Catherine's Grange a load of lads (apparently 7 or 8) crossed the road to them. Started the usual "any fags lads". The lads just tried to ignore them and kept walking. Your man then says "if you don't answer me I'm going to kick the shit out of ya!". So they told him they don't smoke and next thing one of them slaps one of the lads. And I mean slaps, like a girl! Then another hit one of the other two lads. One of my brother's friends managed to hop one of the aggressors off a wall which gave them room to run so they did. But what do they do now when they want to go anywhere? They would always have to walk past this same group, and if any of you drive that way on a regular basis, you'll know that this gang of scumbags are there nearly all the time.


I find it funny because I grew up in Hillview which had its share of tough lads from there and the surrounding area. But there was very rarely any bother. I know some lads used to be a bit scared walking through the alley in Ashley Court and that but I actually knew the lads that hung around there and they were sound. There was never this random fighting thing that seems to be happening now.

It's the same in the Park now apparently. I spent about two years of my teens there and can only remember one or two little scuffles, none of which involved me so I don't know were they brought on by something. But I've heard now that there's regularly people getting beaten up there for no reason. And it seems that girls aren't immune. They're as bad as, if not worse than, the lads.

It's an awful situation but I don't see any resolution in sight. You'd probably have to hire a load more Gardai and have them regularly patrol those areas. But there's no chance of getting the money for that now.

hotspur147

it may be unworkable but what about NATIONAL SERVICE for all of these scumbags.lets face it these kids won't have many prospects when they leave school so why not put them in the army/navy/air corp,offer them apprentiships,pay them what they would get off the dole and perhaps they can come out of it better persons with a higher level of self esteem and maybe they can teach their own children proper values.

Nolanger

When I was growing up in Waterford the place was full of scum. Didn't need to be a genius to see that they would be the ones to remain in that city and have babies who would grow up to become today's scum.

gscully

Out of curiosity, if I'm out walking and three or four 15-17 year olds start swinging at me..., legally, what can I do as an adult? Does it become a case of self-defence, or am I breaking the law by striking a minor?

RxQueen

gscully wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if I'm out walking and three or four 15-17 year olds start swinging at me..., legally, what can I do as an adult? Does it become a case of self-defence, or am I breaking the law by striking a minor?

dunno tbh ,


but if it was me, i wouldnt just stand there and leave them kick the ****e out of me , and say " oh well they're only 15" ... fook that

old boy

a person is allowed by law to defend themselves, some louts use this as an excuse to attack a person, saying i was only defending myself.

Not The Real Scarecrow

Yeah , I think its reasonable defense or something of that like.So if some one attacks you you are with in your rights to defend yourself but not take it too far.So say some one attacks you with their fists you are legally allowed to do the same but if you have a knife or weapon and use that and really **** the attacker up I think you can get done for that unless you can prove that you believed that your life was in danger(if a group of people attack you or some one with a weapon that would still prove a treat unless they were incapacitated).
Not too sure on it though, I think there was supposed to be changes made to the law about a year ago but like every thing else the government were supposed to do it got brushed under the carpet.