Women are great : ) (so there : P)

I'lllearnye

I was just reading the thread in which a bean garda made a false statement of rape against a taxi driver. An awful case in which the woman has done an incalculable amount of damage.

However, the language used to describe the woman was dreadful. On more than one occasion, she was called a whore or a bitch. I've seen this type of language (and slapper too) used on more than one occasion to describe women in After Hours. And it's usually for minor indiscretions...eg poster buys drink for girl in niteclub, she rejects his advances, she's a bitch, whore, slapper, etc. These are terms that can only be applied to women.

So to satisfy my curiosity..... for those of you who describe women in this way, are you brave enough to speak to women like that in real life or are you the kind to sit there silently seething when things haven't gone the way you expected?

I really want to know, because to be honest I've been shocked as to how women in general are described in this forum on a regular basis, most for seemingly minor reasons.

Silverfish

oh god.... can open....worms everywhere....

My name is URL

They were'nt describing women, they were describing a heartless cnut that jeopradized a man's life and good name.

It could have easilly been a man or a turnip.

You're being sexist by condemning it as a blow to women in general.

It's all relative to the situation

super_furry

And you know what? They smell brilliant.

Good job women, you'll do for me.

Mr. CooL ICE

I'lllearnye wrote: »

So to satisfy my curiosity..... for those of you who describe women in this way, are you brave enough to speak to women like that in real life or are you the kind to sit there silently seething when things haven't gone the way you expected?

I speak ABOUT women like that in real life too.

Big whoop. Wanna fight about it?

DarkJager

I'lllearnye wrote: »

I was just reading the thread in which a bean garda made a false statement of rape against a taxi driver. An awful case in which the woman has done an incalculable amount of damage.

However, the language used to describe the woman was dreadful. On more than one occasion, she was called a whore or a bitch. I've seen this type of language (and slapper too) used on more than one occasion to describe women in After Hours. And it's usually for minor indiscretions...eg poster buys drink for girl in niteclub, she rejects his advances, she's a bitch, whore, slapper, etc. These are terms that can only be applied to women.

You can call a man a bitch as well you know, different meaning though! As for your "buying a drink" quote there, I suggest you read that thread in its entirety before commenting on it. There's a lot more to that than just simply calling a woman a bitch.

So to satisfy my curiosity..... for those of you who describe women in this way, are you brave enough to speak to women like that in real life or are you the kind to sit there silently seething when things haven't gone the way you expected?

I do, and what exactly do you mean by "brave enough"? Are we supposed to be scared of saying naughty words to women? If a woman is big enough to run her mouth, she is also big enough to take it when it gets thrown back. And in this case, the actions of the female involved merited such responses.

I really want to know, because to be honest I've been shocked as to how women in general are described in this forum on a regular basis, most for seemingly minor reasons.

Again, you are picking up on comments made without fully understanding the context in which they have been said. Its very easy to pick through posts here and form some sort of sexist agenda out of it when you only see those words you don't like in a comment.

ShooterSF

I'lllearnye wrote: »

I was just reading the thread in which a bean garda made a false statement of rape against a taxi driver. An awful case in which the woman has done an incalculable amount of damage.

However, the language used to describe the woman was dreadful. On more than one occasion, she was called a whore or a bitch. I've seen this type of language (and slapper too) used on more than one occasion to describe women in After Hours. And it's usually for minor indiscretions...eg poster buys drink for girl in niteclub, she rejects his advances, she's a bitch, whore, slapper, etc. These are terms that can only be applied to women.

So to satisfy my curiosity..... for those of you who describe women in this way, are you brave enough to speak to women like that in real life or are you the kind to sit there silently seething when things haven't gone the way you expected?

I really want to know, because to be honest I've been shocked as to how women in general are described in this forum on a regular basis, most for seemingly minor reasons.

I can tell you at least, as this came up in another thread recently, that it was the guy that was bad mouthed as an idiot for thinking buying women drinks improves his chances.
If guys are dumb enough to do it women should help separate the idiot from his cash.

WindSock

I'lllearnye wrote: »

I really want to know, because to be honest I've been shocked as to how women in general are described in this forum on a regular basis, most for seemingly minor reasons.

Yeah sometimes it is sickening to read the level of putrid bile reserved for Irish women on this website. The only thing you can do is challenge it as it arises. There are derogatory words that are starred out for black people and homosexuals, but it's hard to censor sexism.

biko

I would call a man cnut but not a woman.

Tar.Aldarion

One does not discuss women in good company.

Super-Rush

Did someone say train wreck?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Thanks for learning us, OP.

DarkJager

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah sometimes it is sickening to read the level of putrid bile reserved for Irish women on this website. The only thing you can do is challenge it as it arises. There are derogatory words that are starred out for black people and homosexuals, but it's hard to censor sexism.

You know what sickens me? The hypocrisy when it comes to this issue. I see a lot of female sexism every day from dawn to dusk. Its on the tv in advertising ("so easy a man could do it"), its in pop music on the radio, hell its even on radio talk shows which degenerate into an all female attack on men when ever sexism is dicusssed. And you know what? It makes me ****ing sick. I am sick of listening to women and the conscending attitude they have about men like they should be ****ing puppies, "sit at my heel and stay quiet" style ****.

Its all fine for the more female orientated side of society to paint men as some sort of lecherous goons there to be "commanded" or laughed at. But when the word "bitch" or any sort of negative discusssion about females pops up, the females are out in force flailing the sexism card. They can quite frankly **** off with their double standards.

midlandsmissus

DarkJager wrote: »

You know what sickens me? The hypocrisy when it comes to this issue. I see a lot of female sexism every day from dawn to dusk. Its on the tv in advertising ("so easy a man could do it"), its in pop music on the radio, hell its even on radio talk shows which degenerate into an all female attack on men when ever sexism is dicusssed. And you know what? It makes me ****ing sick. I am sick of listening to women and the conscending attitude they have about men like they should be ****ing puppies, "sit at my heel and stay quiet" style ****.

Its all fine for the more female orientated side of society to paint men as some sort of lecherous goons there to be "commanded" or laughed at. But when the word "bitch" or any sort of negative discusssion about females pops up, the females are out in force flailing the sexism card. They can quite frankly **** off with their double standards.

To be honest DarkJager do you know what really smacks of double standards?

The amount of threads on here calling women sluts bitches whores are laughed at by the majority.

Then a thread was posted (by a man) asking are all irish men arseholes and the men on here suddenly went crazy. When one poster was asked why he didnt complain about similiar anti female threads he replied 'well they werent a direct slur at me'

Now thats hypocrisy.

Silverfish

5318008! wrote: »

You realise you're just making women look like a bunch of over-sensitive whine bags, right?

I see what you did there, assuming you were trying to do it.

WindSock

Thanks Jager. Of course not all women enjoy seeing men being treated like crap. Do you think women endorse these stupid ads or something?

DarkJager

WindSock wrote: »

Thanks Jager. Of course not all women enjoy seeing men being treated like crap. Do you think women endorse these stupid ads or something?

I understand that, and I didn't say ALL women endorsed these adverts. But you can't deny that the majority of sexist advertising is done so at the expense of men. Its a trend which has been keeping its ugly head subtley below the surface in the past few years, but it is definitely there. Let me ask you this:

If an advert appeared on TV for a cleaning product which used a tagline of "so easy even a woman can use it", do you think it would pass by without stirring up a **** storm of sexism complaints from females? But its been done with men as the brunt of the tagline, and its supposed to be somehow amusing or acceptable? I don't find it very funny or clever at all to be honest and I've no doubt it was a woman who came up with that.

phasers

The women that are called whores here generally deserve it. You'll find a lot of women calling them whores and bitches etc. as well including myself.

Well done making us look over sensitive and pathetic, btw.

dr.bollocko

Silverfish wrote: »

I see what you did there, assuming you were trying to do it.

Don't feed the now banned troll!

Now.
As of here on in we have a number of deleted posts. All women are this. All women are that. Any more crap like that will result in bans..
We can either have a discussion without the generalisations willingly or because i have banned each and everyone of you and am left here talking to terry and javaboy and the admins crying about where it all went wrong, peepee or no.

EDIT: Just to apply that this is a specific moderator request for this thread. I understand we have had our fair share of all men are bastards comments on other threads also. I am not trying to discriminate against either side but on this thread, this particular one, lets see where the discussion goes without the big mad generalisations on either side. If anyone has an issue report the post and FWIW I do not expect this to last very long.

Silverfish

DarkJager wrote: »

If an advert appeared on TV for a cleaning product which used a tagline of "so easy even a woman can use it", do you think it would pass by without stirring up a **** storm of sexism complaints from females? But its been done with men as the brunt of the tagline, and its supposed to be somehow amusing or acceptable? I don't find it very funny or clever at all to be honest and I've no doubt it was a woman who came up with that.

So why didn't some man stop her? ( I doubt this woman is the only person in the whole marketing company)


See, that's the equality right there. Women get objectified or made to look silly in ads, now men do too. It's about equal. If you want to look at ads making men look stupid, then look at lynx or any aftershave ads. 'Aw jays lads, look at her, if I wear this, then I can pull women like that!' and so on.
Now THAT's making men look stupid. But no complaints as long as there's a fit bird, wha?

midlandsmissus

phasers wrote: »

The women that are called whores here generally deserve it. You'll find a lot of women calling them whores and bitches etc. as well including myself.

Well done making us look over sensitive and pathetic, btw.

Who's us you're speaking about?

I agree with the OP.

But then I would never call a woman a slut or a whore.

t-ha

DarkJager wrote: »

You can call a man a bitch as well you know

Yeah, it's actually funnier that way I think - a bit like calling a woman a dickhead.

dr.bollocko

phasers wrote: »

The women that are called whores here generally deserve it.

/sharp intake of breath.

DarkJager

Silverfish wrote: »

So why didn't some man stop her? ( I doubt this woman is the only person in the whole marketing company)


See, that's the equality right there. Women get objectified or made to look silly in ads, now men do too. It's about equal. If you want to look at ads making men look stupid, then look at lynx or any aftershave ads. 'Aw jays lads, look at her, if I wear this, then I can pull women like that!' and so on.
Now THAT's making men look stupid. But no complaints as long as there's a fit bird, wha?

Well if we want to get down to specifics or generalisations, then I would say that the genius witty marketing dicks behind that advert were taking a supposition that the female market they were targetting would be most likely to be the main shoppers in a household. Thus you introduce a product with a horrendously tacky and sexist tagline, and said female market see it remember the slogan and buy it.

As for the Lynx adverts, they are just light hearted fun with a nod towards the "ideal" situation you could get from using their products. They do not, and have not at any stage, resorted to branding an entire gender as thickos.

Silverfish

DarkJager wrote: »

Well if we want to get down to specifics or generalisations, then I would say that the genius witty marketing dicks behind that advert were taking a supposition that the female market they were targetting would be most likely to be the main shoppers in a household. Thus you introduce a product with a horrendously tacky and sexist tagline, and said female market see it remember the slogan and buy it.

So basically, men make the ads that make men look stupid, yet women are at fault.

erm....

Rightio.

Wagon

I'lllearnye wrote: »

So to satisfy my curiosity..... for those of you who describe women in this way, are you brave enough to speak to women like that in real life or are you the kind to sit there silently seething when things haven't gone the way you expected?

If i got rejected by someone, i wouldn't resort to calling them names even in my head. I didn't do anything wrong in approaching her and she didn't do anything wrong in rejecting me. Doesn't make her a bad person.

But had you read the threads describing women in these situations, the men normally get rejected in a sea of abuse and laughter from her friends. so i think i deserve the right to insult her a little in return.

stovelid

I'lllearnye wrote: »

I really want to know, because to be honest I've been shocked as to how women in general are described in this forum on a regular basis, most for seemingly minor reasons.

And in your noble quest to right the incalculable wrongs of misogynistic language, you're taking this to the Pharisees of AH?

phasers

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Who's us you're speaking about?

I agree with the OP.

But then I would never call a woman a slut or a whore.

So, you don't think what that woman did was wrong?
Or would you just call her a different name?
I don't really see the point you're making.

And the 'us' is in relation to women who don't over react to people's justified reactions to genuinely awful women.

Bollocko: Yer I said it, some women are right slappers

dr.bollocko

stovelid wrote: »

And in your noble quest to right the incalculable wrongs of misogynistic language, you're taking this to the Pharisees of AH?

I know.... right?

WindSock

DarkJager wrote: »

If an advert appeared on TV for a cleaning product which used a tagline of "so easy even a woman can use it", do you think it would pass by without stirring up a **** storm of sexism complaints from females? But its been done with men as the brunt of the tagline, and its supposed to be somehow amusing or acceptable? I don't find it very funny or clever at all to be honest and

I don't find it funny. i don't know anyone who does. The only thing I can perhaps see what they are hinting at is using it with a sense of irony, how long and how often do you think women have to suffer 'even a woman could do it'?

I'lllearnye

Well I've just read through the replies and I'm delighted to see a debate in After Hours tackling the original point I made (whether you agree with the point I made or not is irrelevant to me). Nice to have it out in the open


Fair play to those of you who voted for 'What's these 'women' you speak of?' .

Keep 'em coming!

Mrmoe

Why do you OP care what other people think or say? If you don't like what people say then try and avoid listening or being around them. If someone wants to call all women slappers for some inane reason then that is their business.

DarkJager

WindSock wrote: »

I don't find it funny. i don't know anyone who does. The only thing I can perhaps see what they are hinting at is using it with a sense of irony, how long and how often do you think women have to suffer 'even a woman could do it'?

On a TV Advertisement that is seen by a national audience, or small jokey talk in an office or group? If there has been an advert in the last 10 years that has so blatantly used a sexist slogan against women as a selling tool, then please point me to it as I'd love to see it. Irony of the product or not, its still sexism.

midlandsmissus

phasers wrote: »

So, you don't think what that woman did was wrong?
Or would you just call her a different name?
I don't really see the point you're making.

And the 'us' is in relation to women who don't over react to people's justified reactions to genuinely awful women.

Bollocko: Yer I said it, some women are right slappers

Of course what she did was wrong. But her accusing a guy of attacking her = he being a slut/slapper/whore.......sorry I've missed the link there?

dr.bollocko

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Of course what she did was wrong. But her accusing a guy of attacking her = he being a slut/slapper/whore.......sorry I've missed the link there?

I think often a response infused with vitriol can often contain offensive phrases when posted in the heat of the moment. I didn't take on the thread in question so didn't see the comments but I would guess it's similar to wanker / prick / asshole / dickhead / tool / tosser.
That said words like slut / slapper / whore when raised particularly on AH can generally be uncalled for. I am struggling to see whether or not one could describe even use of these words as sexist when not applied as a gross generalisation or as party to a gender based double standard. I'm only learning here.

WindSock

DarkJager wrote: »

On a TV Advertisement that is seen by a national audience, or small jokey talk in an office or group?

'even a woman could do it' is not small jokey office or group talk. It is a national and even international derogatory phrase that has been accepted into the human psyche that it isn't even seen as sexist toward women. In fact there are so many things that are this way, but any time any one pipes up about it, it is always ALWAYS turned around about how women treat men bad. Always. Like in this thread.

If there has been an advert in the last 10 years that has so blatantly used a sexist slogan against women as a selling tool, then please point me to it as I'd love to see it.

Ehm..OK. Yorkie. But I see what the marketers are trying to do there.

Irony of the product or not, its still sexism.

If it irks you so much, what are you going to do about it.

DarkJager

WindSock wrote: »

If it irks you so much, what are you going to do about it.

It irked me enough to make an official complaint to the ASAI about it. Not much more I can do besides that.

midlandsmissus

WindSock wrote: »

'even a woman could do it' is not small jokey office or group talk. It is a national and even international derogatory phrase that has been accepted into the human psyche that it isn't even seen as sexist toward women. In fact there are so many things that are this way, but any time any one pipes up about it, it is always ALWAYS turned around about how women treat men bad. Always. Like in this thread.



Ehm..OK. Yorkie. But I see what the marketers are trying to do there.



If it irks you so much, what are you going to do about it.

Well as the quote goes "At the end of the day all women hate all men, and all men hate all women'

It just means that you're always going to identify with your own sex more and insult the other sex more because they are different to you.

WindSock

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I think often a response infused with vitriol can often contain offensive phrases when posted in the heat of the moment. I didn't take on the thread in question so didn't see the comments but I would guess it's similar to wanker / prick / asshole / dickhead / tool / tosser.
That said words like slut / slapper / whore when raised particularly on AH can generally be uncalled for. I am struggling to see whether or not one could describe even use of these words as sexist when not applied as a gross generalisation or as party to a gender based double standard. I'm only learning here.

Well dr.bloc, it seems to generally start off with slutwhore & whoreslut etc, which is fine in my books if a person is angry at someone elses behaviour. What I don't like is when it starts to descend into a general woman bashing 'oh how you've wronged us and you're all stupid useless whorebags who should suck my cock and die' sort of posts.

WindSock

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Well as the quote goes "At the end of the day all women hate all men, and all men hate all women'

It just means that you're always going to identify with your own sex more and insult the other sex more because they are different to you.

I don't hate men. I think women hate men less then men hate women though.

DarkJager

WindSock wrote: »

Well dr.bloc, it seems to generally start off with slutwhore & whoreslut etc, which is fine in my books if a person is angry at someone elses behaviour. What I don't like is when it starts to descend into a general woman bashing 'oh how you've wronged us and you're all stupid useless whorebags who should suck my cock and die' sort of posts.

That would make a wicked last line for a movie villain before he dies

Honestly though, I can't say I've ever seen a vitriolic comment like that, although I know what you are saying.

Earthhorse

Dang.

This thread got all serious. Some women are great. Some, not so much. Same goes for men. AH can definitely incubate a lot of hate like that sometimes, though it's not exclusively reserved for women, they just happen to be half the population of the planet which is why it crops up more often, I suspect.

Does it really shock you to read these things? I dunno, maybe if you've not been on the internet long. I don't think it's nearly as difficult to ignore as people make out though.

WindSock wrote: »

I don't hate men. I think women hate men less then men hate women though.

Dunno about that. Such things are almost impossible to prove though.

admiralofthefleet

get up them stairs, I'll learn ye

phasers

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

get up them stairs, I'll learn ye

But the kitchen is downstairs... I'm so confused.

I'lllearnye

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

get up them stairs, I'll learn ye

And there's me thinking I had a foolproof username!

Poor Uncle Tom

stovelid wrote: »

......you're taking this to the Pharisees of AH?

We may not comment on everything.....but we are watching....always....:D:D

WindSock

I'lllearnye wrote: »

And there's me thinking I had a foolproof username!

That's exactly what whyioughtta said

Poor Uncle Tom

midlandsmissus wrote: »

...."At the end of the day all women hate all men, and all men hate all women'...

no need for the maid.......sooo much sweeping......the house will be clean for a month..:D

I'lllearnye

Earthhorse wrote: »

Does it really shock you to read these things? I dunno, maybe if you've not been on the internet long. I don't think it's nearly as difficult to ignore as people make out though.

The use of such language to describe women does shock me. And as Windsock said, it seems to be so much a part of the psyche that nowadays it's not acceptable to point out that it's unacceptable.

I'lllearnye

stovelid wrote: »

And in your noble quest to right the incalculable wrongs of misogynistic language, you're taking this to the Pharisees of AH?

Ah I know I'm not going to right ALL the wrongs men do , but I think it's good to have it out in the open. The language just seems to be accepted without question.


EDIT : Well at least one person has had the balls to say sorry....fair play to ya JTfan!

Earthhorse

I'lllearnye wrote: »

The use of such language to describe women does shock me.

How long do you think it will shock you for?

Are you shocked when people use phrases like "All men are bastards", "All women are crazy" etc.

I'lllearnye wrote: »

And as Windsock said, it seems to be so much a part of the psyche that nowadays it's not acceptable to point out that it's unacceptable.

I didn't catch her saying that; it is part of the psyche though and so we have accepted it (which doesn't mean it's acceptable at a personal level ).