The Perfect Roster

Bounty Hunter

I made this thread a while back but actually asked for it to be deleted as i didnt want to give away potential draft picks for people taking part in that thread at the time. Afterwards despite the thread only existing for just over an hour I got a couple of PMs asking would i re-post it when the draft was done. So seing as all draft picks are now done...is back!

Here are the rules/format we are following as this is the official start.
.....

You make what you consider the ultimate pro wrestling roster using wrestlers from any promotion or time period. This roster can follow any style you wish and must only adhere to 2 rules.

1) It must consist of 25 wrestlers (not including announcers, commentators etc)

2) Your promotion must have a Heavyweight, mid card (IC/US type), Tag -team & Womens title. Any extra belts (hardcore, Cruiserweight etc) are left to your own discression or you could replace the mid card belt (and only this belt) with it.

Free Picks
You can also add the following free picks to your roster if you wish 1 GM/Commish, 2 Commentators, 1 interviewer. These free picks can not be used as extra wrestlers so if you pick Jerry Lawler for example you only get the commentator.

Like with the draft anyone you pick is considerd being them in their prime and wrestlers from all promotions/age periods are available to be chosen.

Format for submission
Your entrants will take the form of 2 posts, 1 per week (or if they are all in early, week 2 posts can begin early) and they will follow the following format.

Week 1 post
in your first post you list your roster members and then describe the title divisions on what you suggest is "The Perfect Roster" as shown in the example below (taken from my own draft post inc 24 wrestlers), your explanation of the divisions does not have to look the exact same but should not be much longer than the below:

Groups/Factions

The Bulldogs: The Dynamite Kid, Tyson Kidd, Davey Boy & Harry Smith, The british Bulldogs are currently tuitoring ther canadian counteparts especially Harry who idolises his father.
The Puerto Rican Nightmares: Eric Perez, Primo & their leader/mouthpiece Carlito Colon who use his cabana to further their agenda (Trish Stratus as Carlito's love interest also accompanies the group)
Team Omega: The remnants of the Organisation of Modern Extreme Grappling Arts with Steve Corino, Matt Hardy & Lita, they are involved in a on/off feud with The Puerto rican nightmares with Lita & Trish at the center of it.

Tag Division

The Twin Towers (the Big Bossman & the One Man Gang), The Colon brothers, The Canadian Bulldogs, The British Bulldogs, Team Omega (Corino/Hardy), Silver King & D Wagner Jnr, Double Kong and Vilano IV & V

Womens Division

Awesome Kong: Physically dominant African American Heel usually allied with Aja Kong
Aja Kong: Japanese technical yet powerful heel usually allied with Awesme Kong
Lita: Mexican trained, high flyng face female westler who is part of Team Omega with Steve Corino & Matt Hardy
Trish Stratus: Beautiful blonde canadian bombshell who has the backng of the Puerto Rican Nigtmares.

Regular IC Title Competitors

The Dynamite Kid, Matt Hardy, Carlito, any tag wrestler being pushed

Wrestlers who may go for the IC or HW titles

Steve Corino, Bryan Danielson, The British Bulldog, Abyss

Regular HW title competitors

Bruno Sammartino, Big Van Vader, Muhammad Ali, any midcader being pushed

Week 2 post

In the second week you get the chance to produce a PPV card to show just how your roster could be utilised. This isnt to be a hugely detailed card as this isnt the draft evaluation thread instead it should be somewhat similar to the example below except obviously using your roster and whatever matches you choose. If you wish to put in who wins the matches thats up to yourself

Mr Gruppa wrote:

WPW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP:
MITSUHARU MISAWA (C) vs. GOLDBERG

STEEL CAGE MATCH:
KERRY VON ERICH vs. NIGEL McGUINNESS

NO HOLDS BARRED MATCH:
“ROWDY” RODDY PIPER vs. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.

SID VICIOUS vs. “RAVISHING” RICK RUDE

TOO COOL (GRANDMASTER SEXAY & SCOTTY 2 HOTTY) vs. UMAGA & RIKISHI

WPW TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP ELIMINATION MATCH:
KEVIN STEEN & EL GENERICO vs. ELIJAH BURKE & MONTY BROWN vs. TAKA MICHINOKU & SHO FUNAKI

you can also write a max of 10 lines below your card where you can decide what to write whatever you want be it: why someone should vote for your roster over others as the perfect roster, a description of what makes your roster unique, talk about the major feud/feuds v briefly etc

after everyone has submitted both posts we vote on a winner

Voting

*everyone taking part gets 1 vote
*to vote PM me with your top 3 choices
*1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3pts, 3rd gets 1 pt

whoever gets the most points will obviously win and their roster will be crowned "The Perfect Roster"

.....start when ready

chopperbyrne

Do tag-teams count as one wrestler?

Four teams would be a third of your roster otherwise.

Minto

This sounds really cool, but could we wait until after the draft is over to start it maybe? I'm only asking because I'd be really interested in doing it, but won't have time until after the draft.

Bounty Hunter

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Do tag-teams count as one wrestler?

Four teams would be a third of your roster otherwise.

um well that was my point in saying it would force you to be creative and forgo some big names for tags and suggested picking tag teams made up of people who could also compete as singles wrestlers like The Bulldogs, Rock n Sock or The brother of Destruction etc.

as a side note my roster in the draft thread has 24 wrestlers not inc Commentators etc and has all these title division, so its possible but in this i could have hd biger ame tag teams for example

Minto wrote: »

This sounds really cool, but could we wait until after the draft is over to start it maybe? I'm only asking because I'd be really interested in doing it, but won't have time until after the draft.

i dont mind if we pause it for a while but also like i said about determining a winner nothing is set in stone about if this will be a game/competition or just asking to see who people would pick as such atm untill such things are decided by i guess anyone interested in taking part thereis also no time restrictions on when youd have to post your roster so maybe you could just wait till you do have time then contribute.

DM_7

I would certainly post a roster. My contribution will be pretty poor as I only really watch WWE and then bits of TNA.

Based on the draft thread(s) I think some people will have really interesting ideas.

ShawnRaven

OK guys, i'm gonna sticky trhis and lock it. It will be unlocked once the draft is finished.

I don't follow the draft threads myself, so BH, if you can kindly drop me a PM so i can unlock it, we'll be good to go.

Assuming that's alright with you? But i reckon if i lock it, it'll stop people from jump starting it, and if i sticky it, it'll stop us from searching it. It won't take much room up there because once the draft is done, that will be unstickied.

ShawnRaven

Now that the draft is over with and done, i've gone ahead and opened it.

Bear in mind, direct all questions about this to Bounty Hunter via this thread, as i've no idea on the running of it, whatsoever.

Enjoy!

Mr.Nice Guy

Do we make our ideal card for this or just submit our ideal roster? I came up with a card that I reckon would be pretty tough to beat.

flahavaj

I've been pondering this myself and I've the bare bones of an outline plan. maybe BH could give us some further clarification on how this is gonna go down.

Bounty Hunter

firstly thanks SR for locking this and making it a sticky, tis only fair that people involved in running the draft thread for example Minto who expressed an interest in this get a chance to take part also i guess it let a load of people read the idea behind it before it starts.

However I still think we should take a day or two to discuss what exact format this will take before it does indeed start. i.e Should this be a competition where we do indeed crown a winner who can claim to have produced "The Perfect Roster"?

if that is what you would like then I ask, should I limit the number of people able to enter? as doing so would certainley make it easier to determine a winner.

and if so how do you think that winner should be crowned? two ways I suggested in the OP are that the roster with the most thanks is crowned the victor or maybe we could have a poll. obviously this will be dependant on the amount of people interested in taking part but I would imagine id set a limit (if its a competition) of 20 entrants. This would make a poll more difficult as iirc you can only have a max of 10 options but maybe SR/Orestes could help me with this cos iirc the WM thread had a poll in it and it changed a few times so maybe i could put up a 10 person poll i.e group 1 and then whicheve mod would be helpfull enough could replace it with the second poll (group 2) before finally maybe the top 2 rosters from each poll could go into a final poll to determine the winner.

The above is just an idea, and id really like your imput as hopefully you guys would be the ones taking part however of course if we are undecided I will prob just pick what itl be myself.

As it stands if it is to be done as a game/competition then so far making up the max 20 competitors are:

Myself
Minto
DM-ICE

place reserved for ChopperByrne who asked a question but didnt say he wanted to do it.
and anyone else who shows an interest in a first come first served way a la the Rumble/draft threads.

so thoughts?

Bounty Hunter

had written that ^^ already, only now noticed that it has been re-opened. I suppose a card would be a good way to display your roster but no need to go into as much detail as people did in the draft thread. i.e maybe just list the matches youd have and not spend ages explaining build ups etc or adding pics.

I think with this idea as i said above some general discussion whilst i take names of those who wanna be involved (should you decide that yes it should be a game/competition) is needed before we actually get started.

Id like to keep the rules as simple as possible but the format itl be taking needs to be decided on.

taking part so far:

Myself
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj

(maybe Chopperbyrne & Kane-N-Nite)

flahavaj

If this requires people officially entering count me in BH, cheers.

ShawnRaven

Kane-N-Nite told me he'd be interested in this once he got more info about it, if it got more interest. Dunno if that qualifies for a place for him to be held or not.

Bounty Hunter

flahavaj wrote: »

If this requires people officially entering count me in BH, cheers.

well it only does if the people who want to be involved think it should be a competition/game i.e something in which we crown a winner who can claim to have produced 'The Perfect Roster'.

ive started keeping track though as id assume that would be preferable to just a big list of peoples rosters. How we crown a winner or how the rosters are presented is also up for discussion atm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Kane-N-Nite told me he'd be interested in this once he got more info about it, if it got more interest. Dunno if that qualifies for a place for him to be held or not.

ill put him with Chopperbyrne, a place is reserved but he needs to say he will take it before we start otherwise if there is enough demand ill let someone else in, in their places.

ShawnRaven

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

ill put him with Chopperbyrne, a place is reserved but he needs to say he will take it before we start otherwise if there is enough demand ill let someone else in, in their places.

That's only fair enough really.

DM_7

I like the idea of posting a card (Brief) to go with the roster. The roster wouldn't work unless there is a place for each wrestler.

Also the chances are many rosters will look similar but a card could help show who has picked a better all round roster.

Now a question, what wrestlers can be picked?

Bounty Hunter

actually Shawn, obviously like i said atm while people are thinking of their rosters and if they want to enter im letting discussion take place on the exact format of roster submission and how a winner is crowned but im just wondering is what i suggest with 2/3 polls in one thread a la the recent WM thread posible? it is one way I thought of that would be less messy perhaps than the thanks method to crown a winner of this.

flahavaj

DM-ICE wrote: »

I like the idea of posting a card (Brief) to go with the roster. The roster wouldn't work unless there is a place for each wrestler.

Also the chances are many rosters will look similar but a card could help show who has picked a better all round roster.

Now a question, what wrestlers can be picked?

IMHO if this is to be a truly perfect roster, any wrestler from any promotion, in any country and any era should be eligible. If someone decides to make an obscure selection, from abroad or from decades ago, its up to that person to justify their selection and explain that person's place in wrestling history. That way, we all learn something as well as having a bit of craic.

Bounty Hunter

DM-ICE wrote: »

I like the idea of posting a card (Brief) to go with the roster. The roster wouldn't work unless there is a place for each wrestler.

Also the chances are many rosters will look similar but a card could help show who has picked a better all round roster.

Now a question, what wrestlers can be picked?

unless people think it should be different I would say any Wrestler should be eligable to be picked, therefore allowing more divers rosters. It would also be handier if people didnt want to just stack their rosters with the most famous names and instead make a theme roster by picking the best Hardcore wrestlers from around the world or any era for example.

edit: like flahavaj said above

and yes the more i think of it a card really would be a must to differentiate rosters, although as i said above by not limiting whos eligable rosters might be quite diverse anyway. but again As i suggested i dont think people want this to become the draft evaluation thread mark 2 so I would suggest that the cards be kept brief.

ShawnRaven

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

but im just wondering is what i suggest with 2/3 polls in one thread a la the recent WM thread posible?

Not sure how you intend to do this, as far as i know, we can only fit one poll per thread...

DM_7

flahavaj wrote: »

IMHO if this is to be a truly perfect roster, any wrestler from any promotion, in any country and any era should be eligible. If someone decides to make an obscure selection, from abroad or from decades ago, its up to that person to justify their selection and explain that person's place in wrestling history. That way, we all learn something as well as having a bit of craic.

Sounds fair.

But if allowing any pick from any time or place can I suggest a limit on the amount of Explaining allowed. Pages of explanations why a guy/girl/team was picked could become a pain.

flahavaj

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sounds fair.

But if allowing any pick from any time or place can I suggest a limit on the amount of Explaining allowed. Pages of explanations why a guy/girl/team was picked could become a pain.

Nah, I was thinking just a couple of lines' explanation. As BH said, its not the Evaluation thread v.2.0 hes looking for here!

Bounty Hunter

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Not sure how you intend to do this, as far as i know, we can only fit one poll per thread...

did the main WM thread not have a poll that was changed every so often up top of it like one time it was asking about peoples expectations of WM then about how good Taker vs HBK was or did i imagine that? obviously a mod would be needed to make the change if it is possible but i was thinking one possible way of doing it would be (and this is only if a lot of people wanna take part) we have a poll of say the first 10competitors and set a date for the poll to end. take down the names of the top few in it. Then replace the poll with the names of the second 10 competitors and repeat until we have our finalists to vote on.

was just one idea but now that i think about it I guess the same voting via PM system we used in the draft thread could be implemented here.

Bounty Hunter

any suggestions for any alterations to rules or like i said how a winner is picked or how the rosters should be formatted say now. Cos obviously once we start the rules will be set in stone.

so if you think we should allow one or two more roster members or that we should be able to pick a commentary team and GM that dont count as roster members, maybe you think we shouldent have to inc one of the belts suggested or anything else speak up.

ill just say that a low number of roster members obviously makes it more likely that people may have different rosters as people will choose to leave different people out especially with everyone eligable from anytime and also forces competitors to be more creative, as do including the titles ive suggested.

flahavaj

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

did the main WM thread not have a poll that was changed every so often up top of it like one time it was asking about peoples expectations of WM then about how good Taker vs HBK was or did i imagine that? obviously a mod would be needed to make the change if it is possible but i was thinking one possible way of doing it would be (and this is only if a lot of people wanna take part) we have a poll of say the first 10competitors and set a date for the poll to end. take down the names of the top few in it. Then replace the poll with the names of the second 10 competitors and repeat until we have our finalists to vote on.

was just one idea but now that i think about it I guess the same voting via PM system we used in the draft thread could be implemented here.

PM voting is surely the simplest. Get people to vote their top 5 or whatever. Using polls only opens the whole thing up to blackguarding or people who don't even use the board regularly idly voting for the craic without even knowing what they're voting for.

flahavaj

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

any suggestions for any alterations to rules or like i said how a winner is picked or how the rosters should be formatted say now. Cos obviously once we start the rules will be set in stone.

so if you think we should allow one or two more roster members or that we should be able to pick a commentary team and GM that dont count as roster members, maybe you think we shouldent have to inc one of the belts suggested or anything else speak up.

ill just say that a low number of roster members obviously makes it more likely that people may have different rosters as people will choose to leave different people out especially with everyone eligable from anytime and also forces competitors to be more creative, as do including the titles ive suggested.

am I right in saying you want to have

1) Main Eventers/WHC Division
2) Midcard (IC or US Titles)
3) Tag Division
4) Womens' Division

Is that not a lot to squeeze into just 24 slots?

Bounty Hunter

flahavaj wrote: »

am I right in saying you want to have

1) Main Eventers/WHC Division
2) Midcard (IC or US Titles)
3) Tag Division
4) Womens' Division

Is that not a lot to squeeze into just 24 slots?

well what do you suggest removing I only suggested it that way tbh as that is the number of roster members I had in the draft thread and I had all such titles.

but thats why im asking if enough people who want to do this agree we should have more slots or get rid of a specific belt we will. If people cant agree ill just decide.

and yeah PM voting probably is easier tbh it only popped into my head after writing all that stuff

Bounty Hunter

btw Kane-N_Nite and anyone else who may be interested dependant on what form it takes, now is your chance to have input on it.

flahavaj

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

well what do you suggest removing I only suggested it that way tbh as that is the number of roster members I had in the draft thread and I had all such titles.

but thats why im asking if enough people who want to do this agree we should have more slots or get rid of a specific belt we will. If people cant agree ill just decide.

and yeah PM voting probably is easier tbh it only popped into my head after writing all that stuff

I'd ditch the womens' roster if one of those four had to go, its just very difficult to do justice to all four divisions if theres only an average of 6 places for each. Or else extend it to 28/30 and keep the women. But that's just my thoughts, of course.

Bounty Hunter

well not many people involved in this yet (only been unlocked for like 2 hourx) but if more agree with either adding a few more to the roster limit or removing that title id probably do it, although imo a perfect roster would have a womens title/division.

pingu_girl

Count me in since I missed out on the draft

Bounty Hunter

Done!

Bounty Hunter
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj
Pingu Girl

(places reserved for Chopperbyrne & Kane-N-Nite)

Kane-N-Nite

Yeah, count me in please.:)

Bounty Hunter

Done!

Bounty Hunter
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj
Pingu Girl
Kane-N-Nite

(place reserved for Chopperbyrne)

Cactus Col

Could you count me in for this as well ... cheers.

Now that I have some draft experience behind me I feel I will DOMINATE this.

thealltimelow

put me in

Gerard.C

I'm in

ShawnRaven

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

did the main WM thread not have a poll that was changed every so often up top of it like one time it was asking about peoples expectations of WM then about how good Taker vs HBK was or did i imagine that?

Not as far as I know, but i only got moved up to mod the week prior to Wrestlemania, so I wouldn't know the goings on in that thread.

I do know from the Irish Promotions sticky thread, that a moderator cannot remove a poll, nor can they add a poll. The title can be changed, the amount of votes can be altered, but say if i have already voted on that poll. I can't vote a second time. Eventhough the statistic has been delete, the poll has registered that my username has already voted on that poll, and it disallows me from voting again.

If that makes any sense to you?

Spongey1975

Since i missed out on the boards draft you can count me in for this one

Bounty Hunter

Bounty Hunter
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj
Pingu Girl
Kane-N-Nite
Cactus Col
Thealltimelow
Gerard C
Spongey1975


(possible place reserved for Chopperbyrne)

If a general concensus can be found for any format changes etc I will make them otherwise either after 20 entrants or a day or so ill put up the rules again and how rosters are to be submitted. Ill try to keep things simple though

McConnon

Wouldn't mind being apart of this!

Bounty Hunter

McConnon wrote: »

Wouldn't mind being apart of this!

As this is only going to require a minimum of one post by each competitor unlike the draft thread which does take a lot of commitment so new posters are more than welcome.

Bounty Hunter
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj
Pingu Girl
Kane-N-Nite
Cactus Col
Thealltimelow
Gerard C
Spongey1975
McConnon

(possible place reserved for Chopperbyrne)

as i keep repeating if anyone has any suggestions for format changes etc speak now or forever hold your peace

gimmick

Can people have the same people on their roster as others? Like, should entrants make just one submission of the 24?

Bounty Hunter

gimmick wrote: »

Can people have the same people on their roster as others? Like, should entrants make just one submission of the 24?

you can have the same 24 but i very much so doubt that if two rosters are the same either of them will be voted the winner. However of course as suggested so far a brief card to display how your roster could work will probably be asked to be displayed too (nothing too detailed i.e not like the evaluation thread) and that could atleast differentiate betwen two submissions.

the idea is that your making the perfect roster you can imagine so unlike the draft thread if someone picks say The Rock that doesent mean you cant but trying to make your roster stand out and be different would be a way to make it a possible winner.

this time before we start im giving to discussion to what exact format it can take but ill prob suggest something soon if people only keep posting saying they are in.

gimmick

Ah ya, was just wondering was it going to be similar to the draft in that regard.

I do not think I will have a go at this one as I am all imaginationed out for a while after the draft. I look forward to seeing what people submit though.

chopperbyrne

You can stop reserving a place.

I'm in.

When do the rosters have to be submitted?

Bounty Hunter

okay here is my suggestion for the format, i used 2 posts from the evaluation thread to show you what i mean one is my own the other is Mr Gruappa's hope i doesent mind me using it (ive PMd him to ask and will remove it if he does) but it is the best example of a quality card that displays how good a roster he has without going into big amounts of depth.

I would suggest that when we submit our version of the perfect roster we do at most (no more than) the below. List the roster, have a card to show of the potential of said roster and then list the different divisons on your roster.

Examples:

Your roster listed like this
Wrestlers name, next wrestlers name, and so on, etc, etc, until all your roster is listed

Mr Gruappa wrote:

WPW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP:
MITSUHARU MISAWA (C) vs. GOLDBERG

STEEL CAGE MATCH:
KERRY VON ERICH vs. NIGEL McGUINNESS

NO HOLDS BARRED MATCH:
“ROWDY” RODDY PIPER vs. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.

SID VICIOUS vs. “RAVISHING” RICK RUDE

TOO COOL (GRANDMASTER SEXAY & SCOTTY 2 HOTTY) vs. UMAGA & RIKISHI

WPW TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP ELIMINATION MATCH:
KEVIN STEEN & EL GENERICO vs. ELIJAH BURKE & MONTY BROWN vs. TAKA MICHINOKU & SHO FUNAKI

me wrote:

Groups/Factions

The Bulldogs: The Dynamite Kid, Tyson Kidd, Davey Boy & Harry Smith, The british Bulldogs are currently tuitoring ther canadian counteparts especially Harry who idolises his father.
The Puerto Rican Nightmares: Eric Perez, Primo & their leader/mouthpiece Carlito Colon who use his cabana to further their agenda (Trish Stratus as Carlito's love interest also accompanies the group)
Team Omega: The remnants of the Organisation of Modern Extreme Grappling Arts with Steve Corino, Matt Hardy & Lita, they are involved in a on/off feud with The Puerto rican nightmares with Lita & Trish at the center of it.

Tag Division

The Twin Towers (the Big Bossman & the One Man Gang), The Colon brothers, The Canadian Bulldogs, The British Bulldogs, Team Omega (Corino/Hardy), Silver King & D Wagner Jnr, Double Kong and Vilano IV & V

Womens Division

Awesome Kong: Physically dominant African American Heel usually allied with Aja Kong
Aja Kong: Japanese technical yet powerful heel usually allied with Awesme Kong
Lita: Mexican trained, high flyng face female westler who is part of Team Omega with Steve Corino & Matt Hardy
Trish Stratus: Beautiful blonde canadian bombshell who has the backng of the Puerto Rican Nigtmares.

Regular IC Title Competitors

The Dynamite Kid, Matt Hardy, Carlito, any tag wrestler being pushed

Wrestlers who may go for the IC or HW titles

Steve Corino, Bryan Danielson, The British Bulldog, Abyss

Regular HW title competitors

Bruno Sammartino, Big Van Vader, Muhammad Ali, any midcader being pushed

Bounty Hunter

chopperbyrne wrote: »

You can stop reserving a place.

I'm in.

When do the rosters have to be submitted?

Done!

Bounty Hunter
Minto
DM-ICE
MNG
Flahavaj
Pingu Girl
Kane-N-Nite
Cactus Col
Thealltimelow
Gerard C
Spongey1975
McConnon
Chopperbyrne

ill anounce when it has officially started after either 20 people have said they are in or in a day or two from now when everyone has had a chance to have their say on how im suggesting we format our perfect roster submissions and the rules i.e roster numbers etc

pingu_girl

Quick question say if I wanted to have HBK vs Jericho for the IC belt could I pick HBK as he was in 93 as aposed to 2009?

Same with hogan for the wwe Championship if I wanted to pick wrestlemania 4 Hogan instead of the disgrace he is now? Hows this work?

Would it be a good idea to put a year beside our choices?

flahavaj

pingu_girl wrote: »

Quick question say if I wanted to have HBK vs Jericho for the IC belt could I pick HBK as he was in 93 as aposed to 2009?

Same with hogan for the wwe Championship if I wanted to pick wrestlemania 4 Hogan instead of the disgrace he is now? Hows this work?

Would it be a good idea to put a year beside our choices?

Not sure Pingu. In the draft anyway it was assumed people were at their peak. I suppose it would be the same here. That means you can pick Luger at his finest!:pac:

pingu_girl

Thanks for clearing that up flahavaj