Sanctions imposed for cheating

Ah-Watch

Right, from reading through threads on this forum about phones going off in the classroom can someone tell me what sanctions and whatnot are imposed on those that have their phones TAKEN? Are their grades disqualified or what happens? Do they get 0 in everything or what? I tried to get a quick answer online but funnily enough I can't find any concrete info.

(And NO I didn't have mine taken:D)

Thanks all

Ginja Ninja

well,I'm no examiner.But as far as I know they,at most would put a note on your answer book saying you were found with it,just in case any inconsistencies show up in your paper.

Reilly616

Ah-Watch wrote: »

Right, from reading through threads on this forum about phones going off in the classroom can someone tell me what sanctions and whatnot are imposed on those that have their phones TAKEN? Are their grades disqualified or what happens? Do they get 0 in everything or what? I tried to get a quick answer online but funnily enough I can't find any concrete info.

(And NO I didn't have mine taken:D)

Thanks all

My girlfriend got her times mixed up and texted me during Business asking how it went. I had forgotten to turn my phone off and it vibrates every 2 minutes when i get a text. I just asked the examiner if I could turn it off. She's gone now, and I've got an EVEN MORE laid back examiner. We start 5 or ten minutes early and finish just as late

star-pants

We're not having another thread discussing cheating.
Ask your supervisor what the sanction is in your school for having a mobile taken off them.

Or if anyone else here knows what actually happens they can give advise/links

Fringe

It happened to some guy in our school last year. Our teachers warned us alot about it this year. What happens is, they confiscate it off you and they send it off to the SEC where it's examined for anything you could've used to cheat. I don't think anything happened to him but it must have been a horrible summer waiting for the results. That's only if you have a strict examiner though. I'd say most would just make you turn it off.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

My phone went off the other day and the examiner said nothin. In all fairness their hardly gonna send it away unless you were texting someone or watever

mikeglee

It has happened twice this year. THe phones have been taken off the people involved and now they will be sent to athlone to be inspected to determine if the person in question was cheating. Thats Fact

K4t

Honestly, who the f**k cares about a phone going off? It's obviously accidental as in the person forget to turn it off. Chilax people.

star-pants

K4t wrote: »

Honestly, who the f**k cares about a phone going off? It's obviously accidental as in the person forget to turn it off. Chilax people.

People DO care... and that's why the OP has asked if anyone knows the procedure of what happens in this situation. Not opinions on what people think of the rules.

Ahoy!

K4t wrote: »

Honestly, who the f**k cares about a phone going off? It's obviously accidental as in the person forget to turn it off. Chilax people.

hey man,the L.C. iz srs bizniss...:cool:

likely_lass

still dont understand why you care

star-pants

ok last warning, this is a serious question, if all people want to say is 'why do you care' or giving their opinions on the rules etc, I'll infract them / lock this. You don't have to post in this thread if you don't have info

mikeglee

star-pants wrote: »

ok last warning, this is a serious question, if all people want to say is 'why do you care' or giving their opinions on the rules etc, I'll infract them / lock this. You don't have to post in this thread if you don't have info

Hear Hear, Please keep this thread going because I want to see what happens to other people. Because I am evil.:cool:

yurmothrintites

When I as in Junior Cert many years ago, my phone went off and the examiner simply told me to turn it off and that was it.

Last year in my old school, two girls were caught red-handed cheating and the examiner did nothing, or if he did nothing became of the infractions. I was told one girl in question put up her hand to go to the bathroom and when she got up a page of notes fell from her pocket. Examiner took her out of the hall, but she still was awarded normal marks for her paper.

I feel this is extremely unfair for the students who did everything correctly and didn't cheat. She should have been docked marks at least. I suppose it depends on the examiner to see what will be done if you are caught. There should be more specific guidelines and rules to be followed.

likely_lass

yurmothrintites wrote: »

When I as in Junior Cert many years ago, my phone went off and the examiner simply told me to turn it off and that was it.

Last year in my old school, two girls were caught red-handed cheating and the examiner did nothing, or if he did nothing became of the infractions. I was told one girl in question put up her hand to go to the bathroom and when she got up a page of notes fell from her pocket. Examiner took her out of the hall, but she still was awarded normal marks for her paper.

I feel this is extremely unfair for the students who did everything correctly and didn't cheat. She should have been docked marks at least. I suppose it depends on the examiner to see what will be done if you are caught. There should be more specific guidelines and rules to be followed.

was the girl a junior cert student ? if she was i can see where the examiners coming from, the girls young he probably saw it as a foolish mistake and reporting her could ruin her chances of college

Delphi91

likely_lass wrote: »

was the girl a junior cert student ? if she was i can see where the examiners coming from, the girls young he probably saw it as a foolish mistake and reporting her could ruin her chances of college

Then why bother having rules at all?

likely_lass

Delphi91 wrote: »

Then why bother having rules at all?

i see your point i just think it would be awfully cruel to destroy someones leaving because of a mistake they make at 15

if he caught her a second time i would understand reporting her, i suppose he just gave her a stern warning

xOxSinéadxOx

yeah I agree, it's only the junior cert, it doesn't matter. If she was reported she wouldn't be allowed do her leaving cert! yes it's a bit unfair but who cares what you get in your junior cert? the leaving cert is a different matter though. I get a bit pissed off when I see people cheating in my exam hall but you can't really report them

7Steve

yurmothrintites wrote: »

When I as in Junior Cert many years ago, my phone went off and the examiner simply told me to turn it off and that was it.

Last year in my old school, two girls were caught red-handed cheating and the examiner did nothing, or if he did nothing became of the infractions. I was told one girl in question put up her hand to go to the bathroom and when she got up a page of notes fell from her pocket. Examiner took her out of the hall, but she still was awarded normal marks for her paper.

I feel this is extremely unfair for the students who did everything correctly and didn't cheat. She should have been docked marks at least. I suppose it depends on the examiner to see what will be done if you are caught. There should be more specific guidelines and rules to be followed.

I dunno, I think something should have been done about it. It's crazy to think she someone would even attempt to do this. It's the sheer arrogance of bringing in the notes, that's annoying me.

Personally, If I was the superintendent, I would have kicked her out of that exam early and would have had a discussion with the principal about the whole thing.

They are the kind of people I hate: People who think they can get away with doing whatever they want; thinking they are above the law.

BlindedByGInge

If you get caught cheating in your driver theory test your not allowed to sit any state exam for 10 years according to the rules. Now that would be unfair...

alexcorb1991

my friend had one formula written on his hand for maths and got caught.
The examiner just disqualified the question that required that formula. I'm the sanctions vary on the examiners mood/ soundness. If it was a genuine mistake like what happened to me during an exam this year they understand

xOxSinéadxOx

how could he get caught with one formula on his hand? :pac: and then the people with reams of **** written on their arms or phones don't get caught at all

Ah-Watch

ah ya i know what you all mean, it varies by the examiner. I'm not reporting anyone so thats clear too, i just meant what actually happens. Thanks for the replies.:-)

yeah-boy

most people in my centre had every formula possible written on their calculators.... I suppose this type of 'cheating' is common in maths

ironclaw

mikeglee wrote: »

It has happened twice this year. THe phones have been taken off the people involved and now they will be sent to athlone to be inspected to determine if the person in question was cheating. Thats Fact

I don't know now.. Personal property can't be surrendered to anyone like that. As far as I know Customs, Gardai and a judge can only ask you to surrender something.

But seriously, cheating, I don't see the problem. I don't cheat, never have and never will. Cheaters always get caught, life is a testament to that. No one gets away with something indefinetly. Let it slide because eventually, they will get whats coming to them.

GallowsGhost

yeah-boy wrote: »

most people in my centre had every formula possible written on their calculators.... I suppose this type of 'cheating' is common in maths

And there's silly me with a bottle of turpentine the morning of trying to get every bit of writing off -just in case the examiner mistook any of it for cheating :rolleyes:

BTW, what's the exact punishment for cheating on a state exam?

coolkidd

If you get caught cheating and you are reported for it, then you will be banned from sitting state exams for a MINIMUM of 3 years (maximum of 6 years).

If you are caught using a phone, if the examinar can prove you had noted on it then it counts as cheating. You will be punished accordingly.
It is extremely difficult to prove someone has notes on there phone which is why there has only been two people caught cheating ( with handheld mobile phones ) in the last three years. . . .

mikeglee

ironclaw wrote: »

I don't know now.. Personal property can't be surrendered to anyone like that. As far as I know Customs, Gardai and a judge can only ask you to surrender something.

But seriously, cheating, I don't see the problem. I don't cheat, never have and never will. Cheaters always get caught, life is a testament to that. No one gets away with something indefinetly. Let it slide because eventually, they will get whats coming to them.

I understand where you are coming from but this has been the case twice in my school and I have seen the letter that was given to the perpretror in question

leesmom

notes were found in the toilets in my school and they came around at the beginning of our maths exam to tell us that they were being sent off with the scripts for the handwriting to be identified and rightly so. why should someone do someone else out of a college place by cheating

likely_lass

leesmom wrote: »

notes were found in the toilets in my school and they came around at the beginning of our maths exam to tell us that they were being sent off with the scripts for the handwriting to be identified and rightly so. why should someone do someone else out of a college place by cheating

haha sorry i find that a bit unbelieveable i bet they were just trying to scare the cheats,to think that they pay to have the writing identified seems a bit far fetched, even then there wouldn't be enough substantial proof. They told us in the institute they found notes in the toilets and they'd be sending them to the examinations commission but they said nothing about this handwriting identification lol

leesmom

likely_lass wrote: »

haha sorry i find that a bit unbelieveable i bet they were just trying to scare the cheats,to think that they pay to have the writing identified seems a bit far fetched, even then there wouldn't be enough substantial proof. They told us in the institute they found notes in the toilets and they'd be sending them to the examinations commission but they said nothing about this handwriting identification lol

richard came in with the note and the supervisor read it out, i dunno but last time i did my leaving cert i was talking to one of the 5th years outside and they said that they got extra money for telling them if someone was cheating

yurmothrintites

7Steve wrote: »

I dunno, I think something should have been done about it. It's crazy to think she someone would even attempt to do this. It's the sheer arrogance of bringing in the notes, that's annoying me.

Personally, If I was the superintendent, I would have kicked her out of that exam early and would have had a discussion with the principal about the whole thing.

They are the kind of people I hate: People who think they can get away with doing whatever they want; thinking they are above the law.

It was a Leaving Cert student and she got away scot free and is in college now. Extremely unfair letting her off, especially for the students who worked hard and followed the rules.

The superintendent did not follow the guidelines. Principals have very little to do with examinations so I'd say the next step would have been to take it to the S.E.C. and cancel her exams.

likely_lass

leesmom wrote: »

richard came in with the note and the supervisor read it out, i dunno but last time i did my leaving cert i was talking to one of the 5th years outside and they said that they got extra money for telling them if someone was cheating

when they read it out to us they said nothing about checking the handwriting sounds like bull if you ask me, not that i care im not a cheat


i did the whole supervising thing in 5th year - theres no reward for catching a cheat, found a few books and notes in the toilet at the start of nearly every exam when i did it. i just took them away, that way the person cant cheat, so the way i saw it i was doing them the favor - a quick look at a book might gain them 5 marks but could cancel their whole leaving

GallowsGhost

likely_lass wrote: »

i did the whole supervising thing in 5th year - theres no reward for catching a cheat, found a few books and notes in the toilet at the start of nearly every exam when i did it. i just took them away, that way the person cant cheat, so the way i saw it i was doing them the favor - a quick look at a book might gain them 5 marks but could cancel their whole leaving

Yeah I did it as well and we were never told to hand in cheats; just to check the bathroom and to remove bags and notes and then follow the student on bathroom trip to make sure they don't try and bring a book in with them or go to their bag.

Fad

GallowsGhost wrote: »

Yeah I did it as well and we were never told to hand in cheats; just to check the bathroom and to remove bags and notes and then follow the student on bathroom trip to make sure they don't try and bring a book in with them or go to their bag.

I was never told to do that

Not once was I told to go into the jacks! And I did not set my foot inside the door once.

likely_lass

Fad wrote: »

I was never told to do that

Not once was I told to go into the jacks! And I did not set my foot inside the door once.

yeah i was actually told not to go into the toilet - thats pretty creepy


last year my supervisor girl followed me into the jacks - found it pretty weird tbh i dont like people listening lol

GallowsGhost

likely_lass wrote: »

yeah i was actually told not to go into the toilet - thats pretty creepy


last year my supervisor girl followed me into the jacks - found it pretty weird tbh i dont like people listening lol

Haha we didn't have to actually go in, just stand in the hall outside

Stev_o

leesmom wrote: »

notes were found in the toilets in my school and they came around at the beginning of our maths exam to tell us that they were being sent off with the scripts for the handwriting to be identified and rightly so. why should someone do someone else out of a college place by cheating

Was pretty funny though to see them still there after the Maths exam was finished. I pitty the poor bloke who used them as toilet paper though.

christina_x

A girl i know that goes to the school next to myn was cheating and reported.
they are in a huge exam hall so they get away with it while we are in a room of 14 to every classroom. But she had flashcards made out for each subject and she put them on her knee under a hoodie so could cheat through all the exams, and she also swapped the supplied log tables with her own, so she didnt have to learn any formulas!

she has been reported but they have to actually catch her. insanity! of course shes not going to cheat now, shes just going to wing the last few exams and get the grades she doesnt deserve

KeyLimePie

I had my phone in my pencil case for my last 3 exams cause I just simply didn't know it was in there and thought I lost it ..... =p

celtic723

christina_x wrote: »

A girl i know that goes to the school next to myn was cheating and reported.
they are in a huge exam hall so they get away with it while we are in a room of 14 to every classroom. But she had flashcards made out for each subject and she put them on her knee under a hoodie so could cheat through all the exams, and she also swapped the supplied log tables with her own, so she didnt have to learn any formulas!

she has been reported but they have to actually catch her. insanity! of course shes not going to cheat now, shes just going to wing the last few exams and get the grades she doesnt deserve

shes probably scammed some hardworker out of their course for being a dick.

Jeebus

Death.

Death is the sanction for cheating.

Girl next to me in Biology was clicking away on her phone for the whole thing. I know her though, so I decided not to report her. She, and her progeny, need all the help they can get.

celtic723

Jeebus wrote: »

Death.

Death is the sanction for cheating.

Girl next to me in Biology was clicking away on her phone for the whole thing. I now her though, so I decided not to report her. She, and her progeny, need all the help they can get.

ohhhhhh, they're one of them species.

stylee

christina_x wrote: »

A girl i know that goes to the school next to myn was cheating and reported.
they are in a huge exam hall so they get away with it while we are in a room of 14 to every classroom. But she had flashcards made out for each subject and she put them on her knee under a hoodie so could cheat through all the exams, and she also swapped the supplied log tables with her own, so she didnt have to learn any formulas!

she has been reported but they have to actually catch her. insanity! of course shes not going to cheat now, shes just going to wing the last few exams and get the grades she doesnt deserve

i honestly think thats the worst ever:o how come we all have to work really hard and be worrying about not remembering a formula or whether we learned all the topics as well as we can, when there is people like THAT who sit with friggin FLASHCARDS =o im in shock, cheating is one thing but thats so over the top tbh.. and to get off free? how sickening?

Aisling(",)

A lad i know got caught cheating in his leaving today.
he'd been switching the number stickers daily and had little notes caught on them
today during german the examiner came over and said to him that they knew he was cheating,he took his paper and told him he'd cancel it.
Obviously the lad was bricking it and a minute later the examiner started laughing and just gave the paper back without cancelling it and just said "ah go on"

does my tits in when people get away with stuff like that

star-pants

Aisling(",) wrote: »

does my tits in when people get away with stuff like that

Me too tbh -- he was cheating DAILY and they just laughed?
bad form on the supervisor

leesmom

Aisling(",) wrote: »

A lad i know got caught cheating in his leaving today.
he'd been switching the number stickers daily and had little notes caught on them
today during german the examiner came over and said to him that they knew he was cheating,he took his paper and told him he'd cancel it.
Obviously the lad was bricking it and a minute later the examiner started laughing and just gave the paper back without cancelling it and just said "ah go on"

does my tits in when people get away with stuff like that

thats actually pretty sickening to think that people get away with stuff like that, i dunno but if it was me and i had cheated when i got my results i wouldnt feel good cause i wouldnt feel that i deserved it

likely_lass

thats a disgrace, i can maybe understand overlooking the odd formula on the hand as it wouldnt really make a huge difference in the grade but cheating daily could mean as much as 50 points

christina_x

stylee wrote: »

i honestly think thats the worst ever:o how come we all have to work really hard and be worrying about not remembering a formula or whether we learned all the topics as well as we can, when there is people like THAT who sit with friggin FLASHCARDS =o im in shock, cheating is one thing but thats so over the top tbh.. and to get off free? how sickening?

yeah i know... the worst thing is shes going for medicine! like come one! if she cant sit a leaving cert then how does she expect to pass a medicine course?! shes taking a place in a course that somebody else worked really hard for, and she is going to drop out after two weeks, its insane! and shes stealing grades off of everybody else (10% A's n all off that!)
drives me bananas.

ironclaw

To be honest folks, why do any of you care? Its not like someone cheating has a book with them. Its fractions of points. Say if you had 10 formulae on your hand, that might be 30 marks, which could be as little as 6% and thats going on the assumption that no one else knew them. So at best, cheating isn't going to get you in the A catagory from failing, it might add 2% to your entire paper.

Relax, keep the head down and laugh at them. Because people like that never do well in life.

EDIT:

christina_x wrote: »

yeah i know... the worst thing is shes going for medicine! like come one! if she cant sit a leaving cert then how does she expect to pass a medicine course?!

And hey presto, there ya go. The simple answer is she won't. She's cheating herself. And thats if she even gets to medicine. If everyone on this forum became a doctor the Irish system wouldn't be where it is. About 100 people go for medicine (Very round figures! ) each year and I'd say less than 15 come out the other side.

christina_x

ironclaw wrote: »

To be honest folks, why do any of you care? Its not like someone cheating has a book with them. Its fractions of points. Say if you had 10 formulae on your hand, that might be 30 marks, which could be as little as 6% and thats going on the assumption that no one else knew them. So at best, cheating isn't going to get you in the A catagory from failing, it might add 2% to your entire paper.

Relax, keep the head down and laugh at them. Because people like that never do well in life.

EDIT:



And hey presto, there ya go. The simple answer is she won't. She's cheating herself. And thats if she even gets to medicine. If everyone on this forum became a doctor the Irish system wouldn't be where it is. About 100 people go for medicine (Very round figures! ) each year and I'd say less than 15 come out the other side.

yeah i know she wont finish the course if she does get her course, its just the fact that she didnt deserve the opportunity to try, yahno? and if she gets the course shes taking the place of somebody else who tried soo hard. bleh.. sillyness:pac: