Construction Studies

mufc4lfe

Construction next wednesday 17th.Any tips for the exam?

decster

well. just go over everything. learn your drawings. then you should be fine. construction is an easy subject to learn the theory for. provided you did a decent day practical and project you will have an A1 in the bag.

learn the u-values chart, formula's site safety thats just common sense, planning, just know all your drawings. you can get 2 questions done easy once you have them learned. 1 is mandatory and it is better to do Q2.

jkbrackens11

ANY predictions for the drawings?

decster

i have not studied the papers for predictions too much yet. im concentrating on physics and dcg right now, but i have noticed on q1 that the section of a floor to 300mm above floor and window detail as far as i can remember,
higher level drawing questions usually have 2 drawings in the one question.
usually the q2 is ok. maybe a roof. just go through the exam papers to be sure. im only working off the top of my head.

here. learn the u-values that always comes up. the written questions are fine. drawings are a bit up in the air

Mallox

decster wrote: »

i have not studied the papers for predictions too much yet. im concentrating on physics and dcg right now, but i have noticed on q1 that the section of a floor to 300mm above floor and window detail as far as i can remember,
higher level drawing questions usually have 2 drawings in the one question.
usually the q2 is ok. maybe a roof. just go through the exam papers to be sure. im only working off the top of my head.

here. learn the u-values that always comes up. the written questions are fine. drawings are a bit up in the air

anyone have a list of wat drawings come up ...
rite so ill learn u value site safety foundations and plumbing... really stuck for drawings though .. didn do that many in class

decster

im pretty sorted for the drawings, my teacher made a booklet of all of the drawings we need to learn. its the most valuable piece of theory in construction i have. the rest is easy.
planning easy,
u-values grand.
site safety if it comes up sorted,
the whole thing is grand.
once u do 2 drawings u can pick the 3 easiest written q's

i hope site safety comes up.
remember ppoe.

Mallox

decster wrote: »

im pretty sorted for the drawings, my teacher made a booklet of all of the drawings we need to learn. its the most valuable piece of theory in construction i have. the rest is easy.
planning easy,
u-values grand.
site safety if it comes up sorted,
the whole thing is grand.
once u do 2 drawings u can pick the 3 easiest written q's

i hope site safety comes up.
remember ppoe.

aw man my teacher was useless ... hes not even a teacher .. a carpenter ha ... wats ppoe????

decster

aw hate that on the teaching front.
ppoe is personal protective equipment, use it all the time when doin a site safety question.

Mallox

ya well i got 63% in the pre and that was the highest like ,, 10 ppl failed it haha .. oh cool .. ill keep dat in mind tanx ppoe :D

decster

how did all of your projects and day practicals go,.
i had a class project and folder but dat practical was ok.
just didn't get it finished to the standard i wanted cos of the time constraint,
it worked fine though so i think i will get most of 25 %

decster

i got 64 in pre but that was with no study and i have a day off before cons so im pretty sure i'll get my A1

Mallox

decster wrote: »

how did all of your projects and day practicals go,.
i had a class project and folder but dat practical was ok.
just didn't get it finished to the standard i wanted cos of the time constraint,
it worked fine though so i think i will get most of 25 %

ya ours went really well .. our teacher told a few of us that he could see no reason why our projects wouldn get full marks like .. ya i was the same for the practical day test .. i ran outta time too but it was assembled which apparently is most of the marks got like so ya id say ive a good 45% .. drawings are really gona be my downfall tho haven done tec drawing since 1st year

decster

tech drawing is not a real big necessity. once you have learned off tech drawings you are fine, there are guys in my class that have never done td and can do the drawings fine,

Mallox

hmm well ill be startin my revision in the morning for it an ill start by finding all the drawing in the book ... do you use construction studies today (orange and blue book)

decster

yup.

Mallox

i hate it .. its the worst book of all my leaving cert books :mad::mad: .. drawings aren great in it except for foundations .. really hope a question on foundations comes up .. its all weve done for two years .. that and plumbing !!
as regards drawings the ones we ave done are roof, fireplace ,windows, front door and i think we did stairs

Ahoy!

ye,were using that book aswell. Anyone have any links were U-Values are explained? Ive no clue how to do them as our teacher was useless and the book doesn't explain them very well.

thnx;)...

Mallox

ya would really like to know some good sites for construction .. theres really not much out there ... no revision books or anytin and exam papers are a disaster:rolleyes:

Secoundrow

Mallox wrote: »

i hate it .. its the worst book of all my leaving cert books :mad::mad: .. drawings aren great in it except for foundations .. really hope a question on foundations comes up .. its all weve done for two years .. that and plumbing !!
as regards drawings the ones we ave done are roof, fireplace ,windows, front door and i think we did stairs

Weve the soundest teacher ever we had to buy that book in 5th year as it was on a book list but first day he made us F**k them in the bin said it was a load of Sh1te.....

we work out of his typed up hand outs and a folder

got A1 in the pre 100% tellin ya thats the only way to learn with a savage teacher

He even came out with us drinkin on our grad nite and bought us a round of pints:p

decster

to learn the u-values question. go onto examinations.ie and get the marking schemes. thay will show you the u values question.

phase-3

Anyones teacher predicted Q1?

awhir

mine said it will ethir be something on the window or the roof....

Power-surge

Yeah our teacher said the roof aswell.

ayapatrick

Secoundrow wrote: »

Weve the soundest teacher ever we had to buy that book in 5th year as it was on a book list but first day he made us F**k them in the bin said it was a load of Sh1te.....

we work out of his typed up hand outs and a folder

got A1 in the pre 100% tellin ya thats the only way to learn with a savage teacher

He even came out with us drinkin on our grad nite and bought us a round of pints:p

real sound dude so! ours was sound lad aswel! we never bought the book, he just let us borrow his one to photocopy pages out in study and got me through - A1;)

My advice is know calculations inside out, there so easy and just marks in the bag really! really if the roof comes up for q1 you couldn ask for nicer really, and also i always found the heating/water system very handy to do aswel so would be worth learning!
trust me its a very easy exam to do well in if ya keep your head about ya!

ps if ya run out of time on the drawing spec everything! youl get marks for correct measurements but not a great drawing with none!

mink_man

tips for q1?

awhir

mink_man wrote: »

tips for q1?

how about reading up ^

bricky10

Does anyone know how much time your supposed to spend on Q1?

decster

think about 20 mins, its about all u need anyway

decster

are any of you here banking on this for an A1? i need an A1 in this.

-Kenny-

decster wrote: »

are any of you here banking on this for an A1? i need an A1 in this.

Yeah i Need An A1 in this too.. I Got 91% in the pre, so i should be alright, BTW my teacher has predicted something on roofs to come up for Question 1 aswell

bricky10

20 mins :O i would really want to speed up on them drawings so..

awhir

bricky10 wrote: »

20 mins :O i would really want to speed up on them drawings so..

its 40minutes i think

decster

oh yeah i forgot we only have to do 5 question in total. thats the handy thing about construction

decster

36 mins for each question,
thats dead handy. im used to only 20 a question with maths and physics.

Secoundrow

I have a feeling that we could get a Q1 thats something like a Hollowcore 1st floor through a window up to 3 slates roof level cause they normaly make you put two things in a drawing at higher level Eg. Fireplace and suspended timber floor,,,

Then again stairs have never come up as a Q1:p...I can hope
damn i have to get a A1 in this

decster

Secoundrow wrote: »

I have a feeling that we could get a Q1 thats something like a Hollowcore 1st floor through a window up to 3 slates roof level cause they normaly make you put two things in a drawing at higher level Eg. Fireplace and suspended timber floor,,,

Then again stairs have never come up as a Q1:p...I can hope
damn i have to get a A1 in this

we will defo get 2 drawings in one.
apart from learning the drawings the subject is a breeze.
its a pure pain learning the drawings,
does the fireplace come up much.
i didnt do that with the teacher because of the project.
how hard is it to learn

bricky10

decster wrote: »

we will defo get 2 drawings in one.
apart from learning the drawings the subject is a breeze.
its a pure pain learning the drawings,
does the fireplace come up much.
i didnt do that with the teacher because of the project.
how hard is it to learn

Fire place is grand, very easy to learn. Came up last year so I doubt they will put it up again..
was on our mocks though!

decster

it was last year grand,
ill concentrate on floor to roof,
heating systems piss me off the most,

Secoundrow

yeah most of the subject is common sense unless you really have no head for it atall,,
the only thing that has to be learned is "U" value, Drawings and may be the "psychrometric chart" thingy in condensation and i always found U value easy

but does any one else find you always come up with a slightly different answer in u values everytime you do it,,,

even in class we had this problum:rolleyes:

phase-3

Im not doing the U value Q. Has anyone else realised how much Q3 changes over the years?

Damien671

phase-3 wrote: »

Im not doing the U value Q.

Why?????
Its not too hard and is almost a certainty to come up
Well thats just my opinion

Mallox

phase-3 wrote: »

Im not doing the U value Q.

ya the u value is a gauranteed question you seriously cant leave it out its handy out sure

Mallox

Secoundrow wrote: »

Weve the soundest teacher ever we had to buy that book in 5th year as it was on a book list but first day he made us F**k them in the bin said it was a load of Sh1te.....

we work out of his typed up hand outs and a folder

got A1 in the pre 100% tellin ya thats the only way to learn with a savage teacher

He even came out with us drinkin on our grad nite and bought us a round of pints:p

im so jealous :( i got 63 or sometin in pre and was highest in class this is so depressing .. i need an A1 in this too cos physics was a disaster

jkbrackens11

Lads, what;s the story with the slates on a roof? For the first couple it's not 600mm between them is it?

iLoveTwilight

we've never done U Values or the last 6 chapters in our book actually... our teacher said there is no point seeing as we "dont even know the stuff he taught us already" He really dislikes my class. we havent done theory since before the mocks eeek.

but yeah the hot and cold water systems seems likely to come up

mink_man

are they?

iLoveTwilight

its the one bit of advice our teacher has given us.. he made us draw out that a good bit, same with the window and the roof for question 1

Secoundrow

jkbrackens11 wrote: »

Lads, what;s the story with the slates on a roof? For the first couple it's not 600mm between them is it?

I uploaded a scaned copy of a drawin might help yeah:o


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Damien671

^^^^^^
Their tiles not slates
I think there are three slates which almost completely overlap at the eaves, two smaller ones and a full size one, must check it in my book but it should be in your construction book if you have one.

Heres a link to marking scheme but its not too clear
http://examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2007/LC029ALPO00EV.pdf

croker1

u-values are piss easy!!! anyone that doesnt do them is mad in my opinion! you could prob have easily thought youself too..
anyway i would do anything for a question1 on windows or roofs.. just not flat roofs!!
i actually love this subject:D if it wasn for ag-science the day after id finish a very happy man:(

iLoveTwilight

my book makes U Values look really complicated . . our book is useless we were told it barely covers the pass course !