Parking Tax

TimHanley

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2009/0610/1224248519715.html

What a pack of scum. They think they can tax a private employer for having a few car parking spaces.

bladespin

Of course they can, rates are already paid on internal space, why not outside?

Mossy Monk

Seemingly I am exempt due to being a shift worker with no available public transport. Nice.

TimHanley

bladespin wrote: »

Of course they can, rates are already paid on internal space, why not outside?

Why not outside?

They kill people for having a second child in China, why not go around all the hospitals in Dublin killing all mothers having a second child?

seamus

The kill people for having a second child in China? That's news to me.

A parking space is a benefit in kind, especially in the city. They should absolutely be taxed.

If you need your car for work, then your employer can cover the cost of the space.

Driving to work is a luxury, not a right.

Berty

I live rural and there is only one bus a day into Limerick - at 8:05am.

It cannot be deemed acceptable that somebody living in my area should pay a parking tax.

I, also, drive a company car so pay benefit in kind and do not use a parking space at work because I NEVER go to the office.

It would be unfair to charge me for parking.

What about if you are on long term sick or maternity leave? You are still employed and receiving a wage. Should you be taxed even though you do not go to work.

If you work from home they will probably tax you for parking in your own drive.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

Driving to work is a luxury, not a right.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

So is paying taxes a luxury???

What planet are you on. I tell you something, how would one get from Howth for example to Blanchardstown for a 7.30am start using public transport.

You figure that one out and them come back to me, Seamus.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

If you need your car for work, then your employer can cover the cost of the space.

He aready has paid for the bit of tarmac which I can park on, why would he need to pay again?

seamus

TimHanley wrote: »

So is paying taxes a luxury???

No, but having a car parking space is. You pay tax on other such luxuries. Are you complaining that you have to pay tax if your employer provides a free vehicle too?

What planet are you on. I tell you something, how would one get from Howth for example to Blanchardstown for a 7.30am start using public transport.

Where you've chosen to live in relation to work is your problem, not the governments. I daresay if you're living in Howth, you can well afford the €200 luxury of having a car parking space.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

Are you complaining that you have to pay tax if your employer provides a free vehicle too?.

Yes. A "free" vehicle, now could you tell me where I can get one of those.

If a vehicle is provided it is because it is a requirement for the job. How many office based workers in the city have a car provided. None, because a car is not needed.

seamus wrote: »

Where you've chosen to live in relation to work is your problem, not the governments. I daresay if you're living in Howth, you can well afford the €200 luxury of having a car parking space.

It's not a problem at all, the government are trying to make it so. The second part of this comment is pityful.

seamus

TimHanley wrote: »

Yes. A "free" vehicle, now could you tell me where I can get one of those.

Plenty of employers actually give their employees a vehicle as part of their compensation package, even when they have no requirement for one to get to or do their work.

How many office based workers in the city have a car provided. None, because a car is not needed.

None? Are you sure of that?

So you're basically agreeing with me here that if someone is an office-based worker (as well as many other types of occupation), they do not need a vehicle for work. Therefore having a parking space is a benefit in kind supplied by your employer.

It's not a problem at all, the government are trying to make it so.

Actually, the government are trying to address the serious traffic problems we have caused (not primarily, but certainly massively contributorily) by people driving to work when they have no requirement to do so.

Fey!

Parking while I'm at work costs me €1,500 per annum. Does this mean that I can now claim €1,300 back against my tax?

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

Plenty of employers actually give their employees a vehicle as part of their compensation package, even when they have no requirement for one to get to or do their work.

Rubbish.

seamus wrote: »

None? Are you sure of that?

Yes, you name an administrator or such like who has a company car.

seamus wrote: »

So you're basically agreeing with me here that if someone is an office-based worker (as well as many other types of occupation), they do not need a vehicle for work. Therefore having a parking space is a benefit in kind supplied by your employer..

I didn't say that at all. i said that a vehicle is not provided when it is not required, this is totally different to the worker providing themselves with a means of transport to get to the job. Where did the little Irishman get so technical?? Benefit in kind...... No a bit of tarmac to park the car so they can proceed to work and earn a living.

seamus wrote: »

Actually, the government are trying to address the serious traffic problems we have caused (not primarily, but certainly massively contributorily) by people driving to work when they have no requirement to do so.

Oh so they should use public transport. As I said solve that problem I noted earlier using public transport.

TimHanley

Fey! wrote: »

Parking while I'm at work costs me €1,500 per annum. Does this mean that I can now claim €1,300 back against my tax?

:rolleyes: Yeah, some chance.

faceman

This was supposed to be introduced months ago. Muppets

It's another badly thought out scheme that will fail to take into account an individuals's reasons for parking at their place of work. Without additional investment put into the publyc transport alternatives, which are severely lacking in some areas of Dublin and the committed belt, this is nothing more than a tax to increase government receipts. It dies feck all for the environment

seamus

TimHanley wrote: »

Rubbish.

Yes, you name an administrator or such like who has a company car.

I know someone. He's family in fact. He gets a car from his company as part of his compensation package, which also includes his insurance, servicing and petrol. Fully paid for. He works in the same building all day (they don't have any other facilities in this country for him to travel to). He lives 3km from his place of work. He's also non-management and a vehicle is a standard part of the compensation package for all colleagues in his role, regardless of grade. And yes, he pays benefit in kind on it, because that's what it is.
Your assertion that the only people who get cars are those who need them for work, is wrong. However, this is irrelevant to what's being discussed.

I didn't say that at all. i said that a vehicle is not provided when it is not required, this is totally different to the worker providing themselves with a means of transport to get to the job. Where did the little Irishman get so technical?? Benefit in kind...... No a bit of tarmac to park the car so they can proceed to work and earn a living.

A parking space is a benefit in kind because you do not need one to do your job. Simple as.

Oh so they should use public transport. As I said solve that problem I noted earlier using public transport.

There are more options than public transport.

TimHanley

faceman wrote: »

It does feck all for the environment

Whenever I hear "the environment" mentioned I immediately start feeling for my wallet, becasue I know I am about to be fleeced.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

I know someone. He's family in fact. He gets a car from his company as part of his compensation package, which also includes his insurance, servicing and petrol. Fully paid for. He works in the same building all day (they don't have any other facilities in this country for him to travel to). He lives 3km from his place of work. He's also non-management and a vehicle is a standard part of the compensation package for all colleagues in his role, regardless of grade. And yes, he pays benefit in kind on it, because that's what it is..

This role being a company director or such like?

seamus wrote: »

There are more options than public transport.

Like what?

Oh, the John Gormley option. We don't all have government drivers to follow us with everything that we need for work.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wheels-come-off-greens-ministerial-carpooling-plans-1614005.html

seamus

TimHanley wrote: »

This role being a company director or such like?

Nope. Non-management, like I said.

Like what?

Walk, cycle, motorbike. Three very effective options, depending on your distance from your workplace. In your hypothetical Howth -> Blanch scenario, a motorbike would traverse the distance in about 30 minutes.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

Nope. Non-management, like I said..

Non-management with a car and he never uses it for work use, do you know if there are any jobs going in his place?

seamus wrote: »

Walk, cycle, motorbike. Three very effective options, depending on your distance from your workplace. In your hypothetical Howth -> Blanch scenario, a motorbike would traverse the distance in about 30 minutes.

And where would the bike get parked? Remember that health and safety would demand that is space is required.

Walk? Tell that to someone who is 8 miles from the office on a december morning.

Cycle? as I said we do not all have garda drivers.

seamus

Non-management with a car and he never uses it for work use, do you know if there are any jobs going in his place?

I can tell you that there are not, and if there were, I'd be in there first

TimHanley wrote: »

And where would the bike get parked? Remember that health and safety would demand that is space is required.

You can park 3 to 4 motorbikes in the space of a car. If your employer has car parking spaces, then they can fit in motorbikes.

Walk? Tell that to someone who is 8 miles from the office on a december morning.

As I say, distance depending. 4km should be manageable by any reasonable individual in under an hour.

Cycle? as I said we do not all have garda drivers.

Why would it require one? Cycling is perfectly safe.

Saab Ed

seamus wrote: »

Nope. Non-management, like I said.
Walk, cycle, motorbike. Three very effective options, depending on your distance from your workplace. In your hypothetical Howth -> Blanch scenario, a motorbike would traverse the distance in about 30 minutes.

Meanwhile back in the real world...... You try getting 2 kids on a motorbike . Maybe we should tax badly thought out comments

Why are people not up in arms about this. Mad to surrender everything in the name of Green agenda. Its nothing to do with the Green agenda , this is pure Tax tax tax because the government are screwballs who blew the boom. Seamus why dont you save the country on your own if you're so keen to pay these extra taxes. Why dont you just give them all your wages.

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

You can park 3 to 4 motorbikes in the space of a car. If your employer has car parking spaces, then they can fit in motorbikes..

With stand put down on a wall facing space only on bike motorbike would fit.

seamus wrote: »

As I say, distance depending. 4km should be manageable by any reasonable individual in under an hour..

Yeah and arrive like something out of the Royle family.

seamus wrote: »

Cycling is perfectly safe.

Yes, so that is why they all wear helmets.

seamus

Saab Ed wrote: »

Meanwhile back in the real world...... You try getting 2 kids on a motorbike . Maybe we should tax badly thought out comments

Amen to that. Why are you bringing your children to work?

TimHanley wrote: »

With stand put down on a wall facing space only on bike motorbike would fit.

Pretty weak argument. Why does it have to be a wall facing space? Bikes can fit through much smaller gaps than cars - every car park will have big chunks of space which are inaccesible/unusable by cars but will easily fit bikes.

Yeah and arrive like something out of the Royle family.

Maybe if you weigh fifty stone. If you can't stroll 4km without puffing and panting, I'd suggest that your taxes are the least of your worries.

Yes, so that is why they all wear helmets.

Would you say that driving a car is horrifically dangerous, to the point that it's too dangerous to drive to work? No? Then what's with the seatbelts, airbags and ABS? :rolleyes:
You have safety equipment just in case something happens, not because something is inherently dangerous. It's like saying that you buy house insurance because you're very likely to get burgled, when in fact most people will never see a burglary in their life.

bladespin

TimHanley wrote: »

Why not outside?

They kill people for having a second child in China, why not go around all the hospitals in Dublin killing all mothers having a second child?

Not what I meant but ok, soon we're going to have to pay just to be living here (poll tax - property tax, call it what you like) so yes they can tax parking spaces, they can tax anythinh they want to tax.

TimHanley

bladespin wrote: »

Not what I meant but ok, soon we're going to have to pay just to be living here (poll tax - property tax, call it what you like) so yes they can tax parking spaces, they can tax anythinh they want to tax.

Can they?

Rember the Poll tax riots in the UK. "they" are not out rulers.

Saab Ed

seamus wrote: »

Amen to that. Why are you bringing your children to work?

Nobody you know drops their kids off somewhere on the way to work , no ?

Anyway why dont we tax motorbikes more because they use 2 stroke oil , why dont we tax bicycles because we have to build cycle lanes for people to cycle in and why dont we tax energy drinks cause they're the fuel of the cyclist.

Anyway you already pay parking tax ,its called Income tax , VAT, PRSI, VRT, Motor tax, Fuel duty , salary levy and for some employees pension levy. Cop on and stop surrendering everthing. This is the most stupid argument for a tax I've read in ages

bladespin

TimHanley wrote: »

Can they?

Rember the Poll tax riots in the UK. "they" are not out rulers.

Yup and as far as I know it's still there in a form, change a name and all's ok.

They are our rulers :rolleyes: they're our government, that's what they do, like it or not.

TimHanley

Saab Ed wrote: »

Nobody you know drops their kids off somewhere on the way to work , no ?

He'll be looking a tax for that as well.


Seamus, I take it you don't drive to work?

TimHanley

bladespin wrote: »

Yup and as far as I know it's still there in a form, change a name and all's ok.

They are our rulers :rolleyes: they're our government, that's what they do, like it or not.

Well, they don't rule over me.

bladespin

TimHanley wrote: »

Well, they don't rule over me.

Good for you, set up an independant state?

You'll need to raise taxes to do so.

Saab Ed

bladespin wrote: »

Yup and as far as I know it's still there in a form, change a name and all's ok.

They are our rulers :rolleyes: they're our government, that's what they do, like it or not.

And in comments like that its where the problem starts. Its our country run by the people we pick to do the best job possible. Now given the balls of it that this government has made over the last few years do you really want to just let them plough on with this crap. (Mind you enough idiots voted for them so its probably fair to say you get the government you deserve) " Our rulers "

Saab Ed

Hey Bladespin this aint 1940's Russian. Get up off your ho*e and check out the word democracy in the dictionary ...Man people just roll over

keefg

seamus wrote: »

No, but having a car parking space is. You pay tax on other such luxuries. Are you complaining that you have to pay tax if your employer provides a free vehicle too?
Where you've chosen to live in relation to work is your problem, not the governments. I daresay if you're living in Howth, you can well afford the €200 luxury of having a car parking space.

seamus wrote: »

Driving to work is a luxury, not a right.

seamus wrote: »

Nope. Non-management, like I said.
Walk, cycle, motorbike. Three very effective options, depending on your distance from your workplace. In your hypothetical Howth -> Blanch scenario, a motorbike would traverse the distance in about 30 minutes.

seamus wrote: »

I can tell you that there are not, and if there were, I'd be in there first
You can park 3 to 4 motorbikes in the space of a car. If your employer has car parking spaces, then they can fit in motorbikes.
As I say, distance depending. 4km should be manageable by any reasonable individual in under an hour.
Why would it require one? Cycling is perfectly safe.

I think these posts got lost on their way to the Humour forum......I'll see they get there safely

seamus

Saab Ed wrote: »

Nobody you know drops their kids off somewhere on the way to work , no ?

I don't know anyone with kids. But I'm pretty sure that most people can vaguely justify it along some weak excuse which boils down to nothing more than, "I'm special so I need to drive my car, it's everyone else who's the problem".

Anyway why dont we tax motorbikes more because they use 2 stroke oil , why dont we tax bicycles because we have to build cycle lanes for people to cycle in and why dont we tax energy drinks cause they're the fuel of the cyclist.

We already do tax all of those things, it's called VAT.

Anyway you already pay parking tax ,its called Income tax , VAT, PRSI, VRT, Motor tax, Fuel duty , salary levy and for some employees pension levy. Cop on and stop surrendering everthing. This is the most stupid argument for a tax I've read in ages

So we should oppose it just because it's a tax?

Have you never heard of taxing something to discourage its use? Do you completely disagree that we should tax cigarettes punitively? Aside from monetary penalties, what do we have at our disposal to discourage people from driving to work when it's not necessary?

bladespin

Saab Ed wrote: »

Hey Bladespin this aint 1940's Russian. Get up off your ho*e and check out the word democracy in the dictionary ...Man people just roll over

Thanks for pointing that out Funny seem to remember these guys won the last democratic election.

Lads go out and force a general election if you want to change what I said, you'll probably be disappointed because the poll tax (whatever they want to call it) is supported by prettty much all the parties, the others are staying quiet about parking taxes and ye must know what that means too.

BTW don't be having a go at me for pointing out the obvious, never known any new taxes to be greeted with suppport from the public but we're still paying them.

Saab Ed

Too many taxes are bad for you but sure seeing how you guys are dying to pay loads and loads of them then go ahead and knock yourself out

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

I

Do you completely disagree that we should tax cigarettes punitively??

I do, people should be able to make their own decisions, with their "betters" dictating to them.

seamus wrote: »

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Aside from monetary penalties, what do we have at our disposal to discourage people from driving to work when it's not necessary?

Why would you want to discourage people? and as we all know in ,ost cases it is necessary.

Twin-go

Come on people, is there anything nicer than a 4km stroll or an 8km cycle to work on a bright warm January morning? No wait this is Ireland,:eek: my bad!!:o

Parking Tax!!! Down with that sort of thing!!!

ronaneire

Lol. It seems this thread was closed earlier on this morning. But has reappeared :pac:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055589630

bladespin

FF will probably realise they would have to pay to park state cars and do a U turn on it anyway.

seamus

TimHanley wrote: »

I do, people should be able to make their own decisions, with their "betters" dictating to them.

People vote in the same people who make the decisions. It's not a dictatorship. If people didn't like being told what to do, they'd vote in a government who did that. The simple fact is that the public at large like (and need) to be told how to live their lives because they're idiots.

Why would you want to discourage people? and as we all know in ,ost cases it is necessary.

Have you driven in Dublin? The roads are clogged with people driving their own vehicles, on their own, to and from work. I'd be happy to let them feck off an do that except that it negatively impacts on public transport and the economy. Therefore we need to impose penalties for unnecessarily driving to work.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

I don't know anyone with kids. But I'm pretty sure that most people can vaguely justify it along some weak excuse which boils down to nothing more than, "I'm special so I need to drive my car, it's everyone else who's the problem".

A car is a necessity not a luxury for most people in Ireland if you think otherwise you live in dreamland. Getting up hours before work to spend an hour walking in come on who wants to do that, buses dont exist for most people living outside Dublin etc.

Parking spaces are a necessity, as was said before we pay enough tax as it is I think VRT, car tax and an nct should easily cover any payment required for a parking space.

voxpop

How can they tax a parking space - unless your name is on it. How can they even enforce this?

If there was a decent public transport service into the city centre - most ppl would take advantage if it rather than drive in and look for parking. The government on one hand reduces the amount of buses and on the other hand tax parking spaces in the guise of penalising commuters for using their car.

They cant be against cars and against public transport unless this tax is just a cynical attempt to scrape together a bit of easy cash....hmmmm

TimHanley

seamus wrote: »

People vote in the same people who make the decisions. It's not a dictatorship. If people didn't like being told what to do, they'd vote in a government who did that. The simple fact is that the public at large like (and need) to be told how to live their lives because they're idiots..

Would they, I think they would just call the whole thing a farce and get on with their lives.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5437502/EU-elections-to-be-marred-by-historically-low-turnout.html

seamus wrote: »

Have you driven in Dublin? The roads are clogged with people driving their own vehicles, on their own, to and from work. I'd be happy to let them feck off an do that except that it negatively impacts on public transport and the economy. Therefore we need to impose penalties for unnecessarily driving to work.

:rolleyes:

But is is necessary.

Unless you know lots of people who just love sitting on the M50 everymorning.

bladespin

voxpop wrote: »

How can they tax a parking space - unless your name is on it. How can they even enforce this?
They cant be against cars and against public transport unless this tax is just a cynical attempt to scrape together a bit of easy cash....hmmmm

Easy cash for a start.

They can only tax a space that is reserved for you and only you otherwise they can't prove it's of benefit.

WicklowRacer

Cycling as a commuting option is a miserable experience (and I speak as someone who cycles 40km a day) - it's at best a niche solution for commuters and there are lots of reasons why it will never become mainstream barring a major economic shock.

However, maybe if the Government were to give a tax credit for commuting by bike, that might work !..

Lets see.. say 50c/km, that'd be .5 x 40 x 220 = 4,400 euro credit !

Cool.

R.O.R

TimHanley wrote: »

Unless you know lots of people who just love sitting on the M50 everymorning.

This is (probably) only going to apply to the city centre. In Dublin I'd be amazed if people can't drive somewhere outside of the city, park and take public transport in. I drove from Drogheda to Whitehall and got the bus in to the city when I worked on College Green for a year.

How well this will work in other cities around the country I can't say as I've no idea of their infrastructure, but surely there must be busses?

I'm by no means anti-car, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to drive in and out of the city centre.

voxpop

bladespin wrote: »

They can only tax a space that is reserved for you and only you otherwise they can't prove it's of benefit.

I doubt many ppl have spaces specifically reserved for themselves bar top management bods. So the tax would be a waste of time and money.

keefg

seamus wrote: »

unnecessarily driving to work.

That's just the maddest statement I've read in ages.

If I didn't know you were an admin/mod I would have been sure you were trolling.

If you seriously think the whole country can just start walking, cycling & bussing it to work then you must live in a very surreal bubble - either that or you live in Germany or some other country with a much better public transport system than Ireland.

mcwhirter

If I got public transport to work, It would take me 2hrs, driving takes 30minutes.