Racist BNP earn not one but two EU seats in UK

darkman2

Shocked tbh. The vile where on the beeb earlier. Jesus fcuking christ they where explaining the reason how you know a potential BNP member by looking at them! Disgusted - even if it was an understandable protest vote - Nick Griffin and another beauty now have seats in the EU.


I have a dimmer view of the UK then I had previously now. They are more fcuked up then we are at the moment.

But the fact two openly racist people have taken two EU seats is really bad looking for the UK. Similar here in years to come considering we have more foreigners per head then they do? It would not supprise me.

seanybiker

Two of my mates in england went in to vote and seen the BNP candidates on the sheet. They put a big X beside their names to show how much they didnt like em.

AlmightyCushion

Not really all that surprising. The recession has created a big "dey tuk ur jerbs" approach to foreigners so some people will identify with the BNP. Now a more puzzling thought is, why the hell am I on after hours at 4:30 in the morning. I'm off to bed!

smk89

Doesn't surprise me in the least. They're all white right wing nut jobs anyway

And I'm from there!

darkman2

Nick Griffin MEP - why?

orestes

If there was a nationalist party of the same kind here it would have gotten more than 2 seats. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

IrishSerf

Look at the increase in votes for SF over here in the last 12 years.... every one's a bigot if when it suits them...same story.

fryup

we're just as bigoted over here

and OP do you have to use such coarse language

Linku

seanybiker wrote: »

Two of my mates in england went in to vote and seen the BNP candidates on the sheet. They put a big X beside their names to show how much they didnt like em.

That'll show them! :rolleyes:

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk wrote:

Simply put an X (a cross) next to the party or independent candidate that you wish to vote for.

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_systems/european_parliament_elections.aspx

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_systems/local_government_elections_in.aspx

conchubhar1

***** - the lot of them

sinn féin are nothing like them, no need to refute those claims any further
nationalistic would be their only common link

ejmaztec

......and all we get are the likes of boring midget-GAA/teacher-man Seán Kelly. I bet that he hasn't even got a pair of shiny black boots.

My old mother-in-law in England swore that she would vote for the BNP, because when you're as old as she is there's no middle ground in politics. You're either a raving fascist or a raving Marxist.

phasers

Am I the only one who has never heard of these UKIP people?

Are they related to mudkip?

On topic: The BNP suck, but it's not surprising that they're growing in popularity unfortunately

Nodin

IrishSerf wrote: »

Look at the increase in votes for SF over here in the last 12 years.... every one's a bigot if when it suits them...same story.

I'd suggest reading their policies. Theres no resemblance whatsoever.

fryup wrote:

and OP do you have to use such coarse language .

Looks just fuckin dandy to me....

skyhighflyer

Linku wrote: »

That'll show them! :rolleyes:



http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_systems/european_parliament_elections.aspx

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how_do_i_vote/voting_systems/local_government_elections_in.aspx

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For avoidance of doubt, this refers to Linku's post, and not the OP's

Highsider

IrishSerf wrote: »

Look at the increase in votes for SF over here in the last 12 years.... every one's a bigot if when it suits them...same story.

I'm a bit confused why you'd liken SF to the BNP. Do you actually know anything about SF policies.

getz

phasers wrote: »

Am I the only one who has never heard of these UKIP people?

Are they related to mudkip?

On topic: The BNP suck, but it's not surprising that they're growing in popularity unfortunately

the BNP has always been strong in high asian areas of lancashire/yorkshire ,young gangs of asian and white youths are often in street fights,and with the daily raids and islamic hate there are a lot of older people who are scared to go out of the house ,so the BNP thrive on this,--as far as the UKIP getting votes ,thats down to the british dislike of the EU,i have said it before and will say it again, i have yet to meet anyone in england who thinks the being in the EU is good for us.

Victor

Highsider wrote: »

I'm a bit confused why you'd liken SF to the BNP. Do you actually know anything about SF policies.

Like the way they hate them Brit for'ners?

T-K-O

seanybiker wrote: »

Two of my mates in england went in to vote and seen the BNP candidates on the sheet. They put a big X beside their names to show how much they didnt like em.

Really - the mad bastards.

Nodin

Victor wrote: »

Like the way they hate them Brit for'ners?

Simplistic crap, tbh.....I'd suggest addressing the facts rather than assumptions and presumptions.....
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Policies_Racism.pdf

toomevara

As someone who lives in, and loves Yorkshire, I'm bloody mortified...But the fact is that New Labour have utterly abandoned the white working, or in many cases non-working classes, in pursuit of middle England, and politics, very much like nature abhors a vacuum...

Enter stage right, that slimy little slug of a man, Nick Griffin, and his party of thugs, nutters and motley social inadequates. A dark day for the UK. The fact that this fascist is poncing around Brussels allegedly representing me, makes my blood boil...

Rebelheart

Victor wrote: »

Like the way they hate them Brit for'ners?

Specious nonsense. If a part of Britain were under foreign rule, and the BNP was opposed to that, you would have a more intelligent analogy.

Also, you will find that Sinn Féin has been opposed to British rule in this country. British people have as much right here as Irish people have in, say, Britain. Radical, eh. If you can produce the Sinn Féin policy which says otherwise, work away.

In the meantime find something more intelligent to do with your time than misrepresenting people and organisations. Thank you. And a good morning to you.

Happy Monday

Highsider wrote: »

I'm a bit confused why you'd liken SF to the BNP. Do you actually know anything about SF policies.

Maybe it's because of SF's defence of the murder of innocent people from places like Frizzells fish shop to Warrington.

Rebelheart

toomevara wrote: »

As someone who lives in, and loves Yorkshire, I'm bloody mortified...But the fact is that New Labour have utterly abandoned the white working, or in many cases non-working classes, in pursuit of middle England, and politics, very much like nature abhors a vacuum...

Enter stage right, that slimy little slug of a man, Nick Griffin, and his party of thugs, nutters and motley social inadequates. A dark day for the UK. The fact that this fascist is poncing around Brussels allegedly representing me, makes my blood boil...

Fianna Fáil has long since abandoned very many people in this society. It doesn't mean we are supporting some far right organisation as a result. In fairness to your point, however, the British party system with its emphasis on stability rather than democratic representation is certainly not helping to prevent the emergence of sections of British society who feel alienated and ignored.

chin_grin

I'd rather know where the racists are and what they're doing. So it might just be a clever ploy! Or just a load of Sun readers (i.e jobless builders) getting them in.

So I hear you're a racist father?

thelordofcheese

I wouldn't worry.

While it's horrible that people would vote for a party who're morally questionable at best, much like UKIP they're single issue politicians.

Anywhere BNP have been elected their councillors have been highly prone to not doing any work and unable to contribute to council meetings because they're unbelievably thick and gittish.

frankly, the prospect for two BNP members in the European Parliament fills me with nothing but glee.
They hate foreigners, so they're going to brussels to work with foreigners.

The schadenfreude is so, so delicious.

javaboy

BNP

Seriously stop turning every bloody thread into an IRA debate.

Rebelheart

thelordofcheese wrote: »

frankly, the prospect for two BNP members in the European Parliament fills me with nothing but glee.
They hate foreigners, so they're going to brussels to work with foreigners.

The schadenfreude is so, so delicious.

hehe. Maith thú!

conchubhar1

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I wouldn't worry.

While it's horrible that people would vote for a party who're morally questionable at best, much like UKIP they're single issue politicians.

how are ukip single policy? in europe i respect ukip - but i will accept that i havent a clue what there policies are at home tho, well i dont vote there so in fairness why would i but the eu affects me so thats how i came to know of them

they respected our vote when our own elected would not

conchubhar1

javaboy wrote: »

BNP

Seriously stop turning every bloody thread into an IRA debate.

people love to get misinformed jabs in tho, and they need to be refuted
i would recomend deleting all the comments of topic or moving them into a new thread or a different one

robinph

This is the reason that people should vote when given the opportunity. Not making use of your vote means that things like this happen.

getz

conchubhar1 wrote: »

how are ukip single policy? in europe i respect ukip - but i will accept that i havent a clue what there policies are at home tho, well i dont vote there so in fairness why would i but the eu affects me so thats how i came to know of them

they respected our vote when our own elected would not

check the web site--www.indemgroup.org

Fratton Fred

Its not just the UK, the Far Right parties won seats in the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, Denmark and Slovakia.

Apathy leads to the fringe groups getting in I'm afraid.

still, in real terms, what does this actually mean, its not like the EU parliament actually does anything of any note.

thelordofcheese

conchubhar1 wrote: »

how are ukip single policy?

They are just jingoistic idiots in bad suits who seem to have spectacularly little idea of what to do once they become MEP's or local councillors.
They are quite amazingly incompetent in effecting any of the change they promise. They coast on a wave of vague anti-european and anti-immigration feeling and then ride that wave to the shores of Wellwhatnowland.

In short fuck UKIP, they're idiots.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

still, in real terms, what does this actually mean, its not like the EU parliament actually does anything of any note.

You only think that because you're not paying attention.

conchubhar1

http://indemgroup.eu/16/

i see main goals and aims mentioned at a glance.....

Fratton Fred

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You only think that because you're not paying attention.

Paying attention to what

They just rack up the expenses feathering their own nests and do little or nothing in terms of running europe.

What have they done to help ease the recession? any action taken has been taken by the individual member states, not the EU parliament.

all they do is argue about the curve on a banana and whether or not you can call a Cornish pasty a Cornish pasty if its made on Devon.

Other than handing our billions for the poorer states to squander, what is it the EU actually does?

PirateShampoo

lol what does the EU do!

Do you know how much of a **** hole Ireland would be if it wasnt for EU money!

thelordofcheese

Fratton Fred wrote: »

They just rack up the expenses feathering their own nests and do little or nothing in terms of running europe.

*facepalm*
Stop reading the goddamn dail mail.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What have they done to help ease the recession? any action taken has been taken by the individual member states, not the EU parliament.

i know, that's the point. The EU isn't a supernational governement you know.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

all they do is argue about the curve on a banana and whether or not you can call a Cornish pasty a Cornish pasty if its made on Devon.

the bananna thing is an urban myth, started by two bored jurnolists in a bar in belgium, but it's far easier to believe that bullshit, isn't it.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Other than handing our billions for the poorer states to squander, what is it the EU actually does?

Like i said, you're not fucking paying attention. Because this thread is about the BNP and not a civics class, i'm just going to recommend you do a little light reading yourself on what the EU is and does, as opposed to subscribing to tabloid based imaginings of what the EU is and does.

javaboy

Oh not the bananas again.

Fratton Fred

thelordofcheese wrote: »

*facepalm*
Stop reading the goddamn dail mail.

i know, that's the point. The EU isn't a supernational governement you know.


the bananna thing is an urban myth, started by two bored jurnolists in a bar in belgium, but it's far easier to believe that bullshit, isn't it.

Like i said, you're not fucking paying attention. Because this thread is about the BNP and not a civics class, i'm just going to recommend you do a little light reading yourself on what the EU is and does, as opposed to subscribing to tabloid based imaginings of what the EU is and does.

I know the Banana thing is a myth, but its a good one

I know what the EU does, but lets face it, compared to the European Commission and the EU Council, the EU parliament has **** all powers and does **** all other than waste money. It can't even decide where its government building is.

T-K-O

PirateShampoo wrote: »

lol what does the EU do!

Do you know how much of a **** hole Ireland would be if it wasnt for EU money!

I cant believe people still behave like that - when the **** hits the fan and it has, we need Europe. The Lisbon treaty is now a shoe in as people (most) are well aware that we need all the help we can get.

Fratton Fred

PirateShampoo wrote: »

lol what does the EU do!

Do you know how much of a **** hole Ireland would be if it wasnt for EU money!

What does the EU parliament do?

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What does the EU parliament do?

They talk a lot of gibberish and hope that the translators don't make a grave error that would would lead to WW3.

thelordofcheese

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know the Banana thing is a myth, but its a good one

The episode of QI where they go into it is fantastic.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know what the EU does, but lets face it, compared to the European Commission and the EU Council, the EU parliament has **** all powers and does **** all other than waste money. It can't even decide where its government building is.

I disagree, they are the directly elected part of the EU and the biggest stepping stone in getting EU legislation passed. They do need more power (which was scheduled to be given to them under the lisbon treaty) but a waste of money? No sir, they are not.

Fratton Fred

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I disagree, they are the directly elected part of the EU and the biggest stepping stone in getting EU legislation passed. They do need more power (which was scheduled to be given to them under the lisbon treaty) but a waste of money? No sir, they are not.

And that sir, is the point I wanted to get to.

At the moment we have a fully elected, very expensive parliament in Brussels (Except for when they all trot over to strasbourg to keep the french happy) all earning €7000 per month, plus a **** load of expenses and employing in total 5,800 people, yet do very very little.

its piss or get off the pot time as far as i'm concerned, we either need to give these people the power they need or scrap the idea of an EU parliament. At the moment it is a glorified, elected, Senate and nothing more. It would have had more power except for the fact that a few people on the north west edge of europe were convinced they would be forced to have abortions if the parliament were given its full powers under the lisbon treaty.

Mind you, if less than half the people across europe can be bothered to vote in the elections, is the interest ther at all?

With regards the BNP, I would be far more concerned if they got into a role with any real power. They might be able to form some sort of alliance with the other right wing nutters in the Netherlands etc, but what are they going to do?

Splatterly

It's not that surprising that Right Wing parties got into power. This happens during deep recessions. Look at the 1930s in Germany, they were in a very bad depression and someone came along and gave them someone to blame.

Morlar

In addition to the economy I think the swing to the right is also a reaction to how mass immigration into europe has been handled/not handled across the EU. Maybe if we had more sensible policies not as many middle of the road people would be giving their votes in that direction.

walshb

seanybiker wrote: »

Two of my mates in england went in to vote and seen the BNP candidates on the sheet. They put a big X beside their names to show how much they didnt like em.

Let's hope the X didn't stand for YES!:D

Morlar

orestes wrote: »

If there was a nationalist party of the same kind here it would have gotten more than 2 seats. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

Couldn't agree more. So long as we have a total non - debate, non - handling of the issue of immigration into Ireland then this is bound to happen here at some point.

From what I can remember of the news last night it is pretty much europe wide, spain also veered to the right though less so than the previously mentioned countries (UK, Netherlands, Hungary, Austria, Sweden, Slovakia).

therewillbe

The whole point of Democrcy is for the public to vote for whoever they feel best represents their ideas.Ok ,so long as they dont include Right wing ideals etc! Yes the Bnp may have a lot of extreme values but a lot of ordinary White people do feel like outsiders in their own land,if the established parties are not looking after their needs then yes they can go to someone who will.

thelordofcheese

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And that sir, is the point I wanted to get to.

At the moment we have a fully elected, very expensive parliament in Brussels (Except for when they all trot over to strasbourg to keep the french happy) all earning €7000 per month, plus a **** load of expenses and employing in total 5,800 people, yet do very very little.

its piss or get off the pot time as far as i'm concerned, we either need to give these people the power they need or scrap the idea of an EU parliament. At the moment it is a glorified, elected, Senate and nothing more. It would have had more power except for the fact that a few people on the north west edge of europe were convinced they would be forced to have abortions if the parliament were given its full powers under the lisbon treaty.

No, goddamn it. They need more powers != they're useless now.

I'd never support scrapping it, because that's the only part of the EU with direct representation.

"Abloo, abloo too much money", fuck that shit.

You don't cut away an entire parliment because you think it costs too much. Frankly cutting that away because you've done some simple sums and think it's a costly exercise if wrong and a little scary.

Sure, we could reform it slightly, if the money thing *really* sticks in your craw, but scrap it?
Get out.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Mind you, if less than half the people across europe can be bothered to vote in the elections, is the interest ther at all?

peoples apathy for things that are actually important has long since ceased to amaze me. But it's a political entity not a reality show, public 'interest' is irrelivant. If people want to wallow in their own ignorance, let them.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

With regards the BNP, I would be far more concerned if they got into a role with any real power. They might be able to form some sort of alliance with the other right wing nutters in the Netherlands etc, but what are they going to do?

Something like this

Chair of EU parliment: I call this meeting to ord..
BNP: WE HATE YOU ALL
Chair of EU parliment: Duly noted
BNP: WE'RE GOING HOME, YOU DIRTY FOREIGN TYPES!
Chair of EU parliment: Bub-bye!

*important business resumes*

Nodin

therewillbe wrote: »

Yes the Bnp may have a lot of extreme values but a lot of ordinary White people do feel like outsiders in their own land,if the established parties are not looking after their needs then yes they can go to someone who will.

The answer to that is to educate people as to the myths perpetuated, not pander to them.