BNP get seat...

tolosenc

Oh dear.

Guy on BBC now saying that racism against whites is rife in England. It'd be funny if it weren't tree.

ionix5891

dear lord :eek:

as predicted dire times bring in extreme parties into politics

Sleipnir

obl wrote: »

It'd be funny if it weren't tree.

Testify.

BlitzKrieg

Seriously people...

Just because you do not have as much money as before is not justification for genocide.

MoominPapa

Cons topping Wales is the bigger story for me. If the BNP win 8 16 seats in the next parliament it'll mean something

Rowley Birkin QC

They finished up with two seats, a terrible day for anyone other than racist, Euro-skeptic bigots. The tiny modicum of faith I had left in the Sun and Daily Mail reading proletariat in North England is well and truly gone.

I'm reluctant to link to such a bile spewing website but I urge people to google the BNP and read some of their "policies". Truly sickening to see these people getting a platform in Europe.

getz

bigkev49 wrote: »

They finished up with two seats, a terrible day for anyone other than racist, Euro-skeptic bigots. The tiny modicum of faith I had left in the Sun and Daily Mail reading proletariat in North England is well and truly gone.

I'm reluctant to link to such a bile spewing website but I urge people to google the BNP and read some of their "policies". Truly sickening to see these people getting a platform in Europe.

someone out there has voted for them, may be it was a protest vote to shake up the british goverment

conchubhar1

there were several other parties to give a vote to if it was simply a protest vote.....


*****!

getz

the people who are voting for them are the eldery who live in high asian areas of the country, and do not feel safe in the streets anymore. the newspapers dont help with their over the top reporting ,this makes very fertile ground for the likes of the BNP

future_plans

My God.....anybody see Adam Bolton interviewing Griffin last night on Sky? It was cringe worthy. The chap is an absolute idiot. How he got elected amazes me. At one stage one of the panelists asked who can join the BNP, to which Griffin replied (something along the lines of), people who are really British. To which Bolton asked, how do you know if somebody is really British. Griffins reply, you just know by the look of them! He also called Britain a slum. Said no more Mosques should be allowed. He promotes a Christian Britain, but he does not attend church himself. I could go on and on. It was an amazing and worrying interview. I'm sure its on Youtube or the sky news website now!

Dyr

The BNP are going to benefit from the fact that a lot of indigenous brits or whatever you want to call them feel that there's an elephant in the room and the BNP are the only ones who are talking about it. You disenfranchise enough people and the extreme right will benefit.

future_plans

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-Celebrates-European-Election-seat-win-for-party/Video/200906215298185?lpos=video_Article_Related_Content_Region_2&lid=VIDEO_15298185_BNP_leader_Nick_Griffin_Celebrates_European_Election_seat_win_for_party

"You just look, you just know"

ionix5891

future_plans wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-Celebrates-European-Election-seat-win-for-party/Video/200906215298185?lpos=video_Article_Related_Content_Region_2&lid=VIDEO_15298185_BNP_leader_Nick_Griffin_Celebrates_European_Election_seat_win_for_party

"You just look, you just know"

wow :eek: just wow :rolleyes: i didnt realise they where this crazy

ShooterSF

Bambi wrote: »

The BNP are going to benefit from the fact that a lot of indigenous brits or whatever you want to call them feel that there's an elephant in the room and the BNP are the only ones who are talking about it. You disenfranchise enough people and the extreme right will benefit.

Thats's it in one as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a fan of our immigration "policy" but try to discuss it at least in public with any candidate running for government and you never get a different answer from any of them. Unfortunately that leaves things open to the first party that do offer a different line.

In no way am I condoning the BNP, and I don't agree with their policy either, I won't say what I think of them because of abuse and the charter.

I do think the world would be healthier if mainstream parties were willing to tackle the issue.

Rowley Birkin QC

My god...I know people will see this as a protest vote but Griffin is a crass, racist idiot. Surely the Monster Raving Looney Party provided a better option.

I can only wonder about the intelligence of those that voted for him.

MrMatisse

you would think that the experience of dealing with a certain german in the 1940's would show people where these types of views can lead.

They get very little air time on British T.V usually. They will push for much more now and spread their toxic idology.

I feel very sad for the old factory towns in the northwest. The atmosphere will be terrible. A lot of 2nd or third generation immigrants have basically been told there not wanted and arnt british.

bobbysands81

Ireland has it's own version of the BNP - they're called the DUP.

CiaranC

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Ireland has it's own version of the BNP - they're called the DUP.

Do they DUP openly support deportation of non-whites now?

wes

Wow, its truely sad that so many people in the UK voted for the BNP, especially as so many of there country men died fighting (not to mention the various people in there empire of the time) people just like them.

Rb

I can certainly understand why people are supporting them and definitely appears to be saying what a lot of people in the UK are thinking.

Ireland is also beginning to turn in the same direction re: immigration. A lot of people have simply had enough of it and want change and the first people to publicly support that are going to get the numbers.

There's also a difference in being racist and being anti-immigration or anti-mass immigration as far as I'm concerned.

ShooterSF

Rb wrote: »

I can certainly understand why people are supporting them and definitely appears to be saying what a lot of people in the UK are thinking.

Ireland is also beginning to turn in the same direction re: immigration. A lot of people have simply had enough of it and want change and the first people to publicly support that are going to get the numbers.

There's also a difference in being racist and being anti-immigration or anti-mass immigration as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with alot of that. However you have to agree that the BNP are racist and can only do harm to to an anti-mass immigration policy. People like them are the reason you get called racist the minute you want to discuss immigration.

getz

bigkev49 wrote: »

My god...I know people will see this as a protest vote but Griffin is a crass, racist idiot. Surely the Monster Raving Looney Party provided a better option.

I can only wonder about the intelligence of those that voted for him.

i am surprised you havent noticed before how daft british politics can be-last week hartlepool voted in as mayor the same man, dressed as a monkey for the third year in succession

topdost

Immigration Issues are a quick cover o racism

If its immigration why it dosnt all rules apply to europeans.

I am british but I you can always smell whe its immigratio ad whe its racism

Rb wrote: »

I can certainly understand why people are supporting them and definitely appears to be saying what a lot of people in the UK are thinking.

Ireland is also beginning to turn in the same direction re: immigration. A lot of people have simply had enough of it and want change and the first people to publicly support that are going to get the numbers.

There's also a difference in being racist and being anti-immigration or anti-mass immigration as far as I'm concerned.

topdost

DUP is silly , they will ever get their way .

Look at U.K , All non whites are gettig stronger and stronger , but in good way supportig the economy

CiaranC wrote: »

Do they DUP openly support deportation of non-whites now?

topdost

Very true

ShooterSF wrote: »

Thats's it in one as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a fan of our immigration "policy" but try to discuss it at least in public with any candidate running for government and you never get a different answer from any of them. Unfortunately that leaves things open to the first party that do offer a different line.

In no way am I condoning the BNP, and I don't agree with their policy either, I won't say what I think of them because of abuse and the charter.

I do think the world would be healthier if mainstream parties were willing to tackle the issue.

Nodin

getz wrote: »

i am surprised you havent noticed before how daft british politics can be-last week hartlepool voted in as mayor the same man, dressed as a monkey for the third year in succession

Third term...he's been there since 2002, so he must be doing something right. Mind you, rather a man in a monkey suit that the besuited apes of the BNP.

Terry Cotta

Anyone see that documentary last week (I think on Fiorsceal) about the fascist parties on the rise in Europe.......primarily Italy, Germany and France. Like Really-Stressed said how can people not see where this led before.

The German Fascist party (can't remember the name) even have a youth movement with military training camps..........and I think they have a seat in the German Parliment.......

PopeBuckfastXVI

Rb wrote: »

I can certainly understand why people are supporting them and definitely appears to be saying what a lot of people in the UK are thinking.

Ireland is also beginning to turn in the same direction re: immigration. A lot of people have simply had enough of it and want change and the first people to publicly support that are going to get the numbers.

Raymond O'Malley might disagree with you there Rb...

tolosenc

Truely a sad day for the human race.

Sleipnir wrote: »

Testify.

I meant true! :P

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Ireland has it's own version of the BNP - they're called the DUP.

I think you'll find that it's actually called the Sinn Féin IRA.

Rb

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Raymond O'Malley might disagree with you there Rb...

Fair point although I think it might have been different if it were a published Libertas public policy and not just the opinion of one of their candidates.

At the same time a lot of people are still questioning "Wtf do Libertas want?" whilst the BNP, in fairness to them, have laid out their policies for all to see and accept/reject at will.

conchubhar1

obl wrote: »

I think you'll find that it's actually called the Sinn Féin IRA.

they merged?

really i dont remember either calling for any of the bnps aims

also, one is not in existence anymore.....



nonsense!:(:mad:

Dr Galen

the BNP's overall vote though was lower than before. The Labour meltdown and the ineffectualness of other parties to mobilise their voters is what has let them in. The second seat was a very close run thing, something 5 thousands votes separated 3 candidate i think.

Good point on the BBC last night was that now they have access to extra funding and resources as MEP's. That in itself is most worrying for me, as you always have a few mad-ass candidates getting in.

Rb and ShooterSF make valid points I think, here and and other threads. A real and proper debate on immigration and integration needs to happen in this country. It is because that has not happened in the UK, that parties like the BNP are gaining some popular support. By opening up the topic for rational debate, removing the finger pointing and working out solutions, hopefully we can prevent racial undertones becoming part of our political scene.

getz

Really-Stressed wrote: »

you would think that the experience of dealing with a certain german in the 1940's would show people where these types of views can lead.

They get very little air time on British T.V usually. They will push for much more now and spread their toxic idology.

I feel very sad for the old factory towns in the northwest. The atmosphere will be terrible. A lot of 2nd or third generation immigrants have basically been told there not wanted and arnt british.

not quite true the uk has always had a large immigrant population ,the irish/the west indian/africian /chinese ect,except for the carnival problems in london in the early 60s there has been little trouble,the reason we have a problem in the uk is because PART of the immigrant community, do not encourage or except intergration with the rest of society, and those who do or marry outside their religion are cast out.

Can'tseeme

Very disappointing to see this. I was watching Nick Grifffin last night worming his way through questions to rationalise his twisted logic on the BBC. When asked why a black person can't join the party, he answered would you ask why a white person can't join the national black police association.

bobbysands81

obl wrote: »

I think you'll find that it's actually called the Sinn Féin IRA.

I'm no supporter of SF so your jibes don't bother... your jibe still doesn't make sense though.

Comparing SF to the BNP shows a kindergarten understanding of politics.

Rowley Birkin QC

getz wrote: »

i am surprised you havent noticed before how daft british politics can be-last week hartlepool voted in as mayor the same man, dressed as a monkey for the third year in succession

I have noticed it, but electing a man dressed as a monkey is a thumb to the establishment, voting in racist, jackbooted, holocaust deniers like Griffin and his ilk is inexcusable.

Also, to be fair to the Monkey Mayor he has been returned in 2005 and again this year minus the costume, once is a fluke but he must be doing something right. His free bananas for school children isn't a bad idea.:D

future_plans

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

Good point on the BBC last night was that now they have access to extra funding and resources as MEP's. That in itself is most worrying for me, as you always have a few mad-ass candidates getting in.

He did say that 10% of their new EU funding/salary would go back in to the communities. I cannot remember his exact wording, but it was along the lines of indigenous, Christian and loyal British people. He mentioned doing this through Christian groups. Of course, after this he was asked if he attended church to which he said he didn't!

Another sensational comment he made from what I remember was that he thinks unless something is done now, Britains social system will breakdown in the next 30 years. He drew similarities with the fall of the Roman Empire!!

He's a crack pot!

Nodin

obl wrote: »

I think you'll find that it's actually called the Sinn Féin IRA.

I'd suggest reading their policies on the matter before making such statements.

MrMatisse

getz wrote: »

not quite true the uk has always had a large immigrant population ,the irish/the west indian/africian /chinese ect,except for the carnival problems in london in the early 60s there has been little trouble,the reason we have a problem in the uk is because PART of the immigrant community, do not encourage or except intergration with the rest of society, and those who do or marry outside their religion are cast out.

How can you integrate into a society that votes for the BNP?

The other possible position to take is that people have started to vote for the BNP because they now realise these people have not integrated and are damaging british society. Which suggests that most people werent anti immigrant initially. Which is rubbish. The phrase no blacks no dogs no Irish on arrival in the place comes to mind.

These people were not welcome from the moment they arrived and people complain about them not integrating. How can you integrate into a society that does not and has never wanted you!

ShooterSF

Really-Stressed wrote: »

How can you integrate into a society that votes for the BNP?

The other possible position to take is that people have started to vote for the BNP because they now realise these people have not integrated and are damaging british society. Which suggests that most people werent anti immigrant initially. Which is rubbish. The phrase no blacks no dogs no Irish on arrival in the place comes to mind.

But show me a party that doesn't ignore the immigration issue but isn't as severe as the BNP. It may be a case of people finding that their views on immigration are likely to be catered for and a lot more by voting BNP. They might not agree with the severity of their beliefs but still vote for them.
There is a lack of shades of grey on the issue.
I really don't think the views the BNP hold are that common in the UK. I may be wrong. I see it as people disgruntled with their current immigration policies having no one else to turn to.

MrMatisse

ShooterSF wrote: »

But show me a party that doesn't ignore the immigration issue but isn't as severe as the BNP. It may be a case of people finding that their views on immigration are likely to be catered for and a lot more by voting BNP. They might not agree with the severity of their beliefs but still vote for them.
There is a lack of shades of grey on the issue.
I really don't think the views the BNP hold are that common in the UK. I may be wrong. I see it as people disgruntled with their current immigration policies having no one else to turn to.

Id say most BNP voters wish there was no immigration at all. They are extremists. This is what happened in Germany. Normal people started to support nutters.

If you cast your vote for a party which is only really interested in throwing out immigrants, paid for a racist cartoon series to be developed aimed at 5 year olds and has developed a youth wing along the lines of hitler youth, not to mention the racist newspapers. You are going the wrong way about raising the immigration issue. The rise of the far right across europe in a time of economic decline is very scary.

getz

Really-Stressed wrote: »

How can you integrate into a society that votes for the BNP?

The other possible position to take is that people have started to vote for the BNP because they now realise these people have not integrated and are damaging british society. Which suggests that most people werent anti immigrant initially. Which is rubbish. The phrase no blacks no dogs no Irish on arrival in the place comes to mind.

These people were not welcome from the moment they arrived and people complain about them not integrating. How can you integrate into a society that does not and has never wanted you!

most irish people came over to england and stayed intergrated and enriched the culture [i know my grandparents did] and i have never once heard any anti/irish comments in fact with one in three people in the uk with a irish ancestor being off irish decent is a possitive thing[now the only place i hear of this blacks /dogs and irish ect seam to be by anti/british irish,this was one of the things that was put out as anti british rhetoric by a republican goverment,[remember i went to school in the republic] i know just what lies the brothers said, anyway very few people ever bothered to vote in the eu elections in the uk, and those that did was only because they had them alongside local elections. one question i would like to ask you would you ever want to go and live in any country that dident want you ? i know i wouldent,

ShooterSF

Really-Stressed wrote: »

Id say most BNP voters wish there was no immigration at all. They are extremists. This is what happened in Germany. Normal people started to support nutters.

If you cast your vote for a party which is only really interested in throwing out immigrants, paid for a racist cartoon series to be developed aimed at 5 year olds and has developed a youth wing along the lines of hitler youth, not to mention the racist newspapers. You are going the wrong way about raising the immigration issue. The rise of the far right across europe in a time of economic decline is very scary.

I totally agree it's the wrong way to raise the issue and have said so in this thread. The difference in our opinions is that I feel the BNP has a tiny extremist support but won it's seat by convincing people with more saner views that they were the best chance to accommodate those views. I don't think people become racist because of economic situations, I think their opinion on immigration changes and not all to an extreme but no party offers a middle ground.

getz

ShooterSF wrote: »

I totally agree it's the wrong way to raise the issue and have said so in this thread. The difference in our opinions is that I feel the BNP has a tiny extremist support but won it's seat by convincing people with more saner views that they were the best chance to accommodate those views. I don't think people become racist because of economic situations, I think their opinion on immigration changes and not all to an extreme but no party offers a middle ground.

why is everyone so excited about the vote for two BNP MEPS ? altogether there are 72 elected MEPs from the UK and you would think by these threads that the word has come to a end,

Rowley Birkin QC

getz wrote: »

why is everyone so excited about the vote for two BNP MEPS ? altogether there are 72 elected MEPs from the UK and you would think by these threads that the word has come to a end,

Any seats for these lunatics is worrying tbh. My girlfriend made the same point this morning but it's not the two seats that's worrying, it's the 943,598 people who voted for them that worry me.

It really is a dark day for the UK.

ShooterSF

getz wrote: »

why is everyone so excited about the vote for two BNP MEPS ? altogether there are 72 elected MEPs from the UK and you would think by these threads that the word has come to a end,

Personally because I fear their extremists views when expressed more publicly will hurt the chances of proper immigration discussion and we will be back to "utopianists" vs "racists" with mud slinging on both sides and no grown up conversation about the issue. I also fear people of similar opinion to me may now be keeping that opinion private while voting for an extremist.
I also do not look forward to the first person quoting a comment of mine on immigration and saying something along the lines "can you smell the BNP member?"

getz

bigkev49 wrote: »

Any seats for these lunatics is worrying tbh. My girlfriend made the same point this morning but it's not the two seats that's worrying, it's the 943,598 people who voted for them that worry me.

It really is a dark day for the UK.

943,589 may sound like a lot of people to ireland but to the uk its a very small amount we have a population of over 60,000,000

Rowley Birkin QC

To be fair, it's a lot of people regardless of the context. The other issue is that they now have a mandate and a platform to spout their bile in Europe.

DB10

Regarding the BNP, people can moan and whinge all they want.
The fact remains the people have spoken and the disgusting treatment of that party from it's objectors such as barracking there leader when he tried to enter the town hall was laughable.


The idiotic vile spoted that anyone votes for them is an idiot is also pathetic. At least voting for them isn't a waste of a vote like the Liberals.

The fact remains the way they have been treated actually makes Griffen look civil and some kind of hero.
Whereas if they were dealt a small amount of respect they would have been stopped alot easier.

future_plans

Was the vote that high? It's even worse than I thought so. An extreme, right wing, racist movement with a million people behind it.

towel401

Ya know the BNP actually have some fairly good ideas. Much like Geert Wilders has. They are not as racist as they let on, and besides its good to have a few racists in the government when everybody else is hell-bent on reverse discrimination. kind of balances things out you know?